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TOPIC: What is awesome in German?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:26 am
From: Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:31:10 +0100) it happened "Helmut
Sennewald" <helmutsennewald@t-online.de> wrote in
<heb3th$68b$03$1@news.t-online.com>:

>Hello,
>
>I have it, in German. Let's hope you understand my translation.
>
>Dieser Krug ist gemacht,
>dass man jubelt und lacht.
>Doch in geheimer Kammer,
>schläft der Katzenjammer.
>
>
>This pitcher is made,
>to make people laugh and chear.
>But on the q.t., (But in private)
>sleeps the hangover

Maybe better: 'But in a secret place waits the hangover'?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:54 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Nov 22, 5:49 am, "Helmut Sennewald" <helmutsennew...@t-online.de>
wrote:
> "Helmut Sennewald" <helmutsennew...@t-online.de> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:heb3th$68b$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tim Wescott" <t...@seemywebsite.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> >news:pdudnebSoZaOVZXWnZ2dnUVZ_qpi4p2d@web-ster.com...
> >> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:01:47 -0800, Stupendous Man wrote:
>
> >>>>>"dieser krug ist gemacht dak man judbelt und lacht doch in geheimer
> >>>>>kammer schlaft katzenjammer"
>
> >>>> More likely "daß" instead of "dak", and "jubelt" instead of "judbelt".
> >>>> With
> >>>> those substitutions made, as far as I can tell the gist of it is
>
> >>> It looks like a K to me, but have a look,
> >>>http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/arborigine/JugScript.jpg
> >>>http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/arborigine/SederSet.jpg
>
> >>> Thanks for , all my siblings want this set, but none of us know anything
> >>> about it, and aren't of the Jewish faith.
>
> >> It's "daß" with a fancy eszett, not a 'k'. Gothic German can be hand to
> >> decipher if you're not used to it.
>
> >> --
> >>www.wescottdesign.com
>
> Hello again,
>
> My wife corrected the sentence with the hangover.
> I also forgot the sentence on the small glasses, schnappsglas (shot glass?).
>
> ---
> Dieser Krug ist gemacht,
> dass man jubelt und lacht.
> Doch in geheimer Kammer,
> schläft der Katzenjammer.
>
> This pitcher is made,
> to make people laugh and chear.
> But on the q.t., (But in private)
> the hangover sleeps.
>
> The last sentence means that the next day the hangover will come.
> ...
> Best regards,
> Helmut
> A German in Germany-

So what exactly does "sleeps in the secret chamber" imply in English?
Is it from a poem?

Properly translating these "winged phrases" with obscured meanings
becomes important when politicians say them, for example Putin's "to
wet in the outhouse". i.e. to murder someone.

jsw

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 4:57 am
From: Uwe Bonnes

In comp.dsp Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:31:10 +0100) it happened "Helmut
> Sennewald" <helmutsennewald@t-online.de> wrote in
> <heb3th$68b$03$1@news.t-online.com>:

> >Hello,
> >
> >I have it, in German. Let's hope you understand my translation.
> >
> >Dieser Krug ist gemacht,
> >dass man jubelt und lacht.
> >Doch in geheimer Kammer,
> >schläft der Katzenjammer.
> >
> >
> >This pitcher is made,
> >to make people laugh and chear.
> >But on the q.t., (But in private)
> >sleeps the hangover

> Maybe better: 'But in a secret place waits the hangover'?
Probably 'geheim' is better translated to 'private' and perhaps the last two
lines translated to:
But in the private chamber
hangover lingers

Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:12 am
From: Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:57:48 +0000 (UTC)) it happened Uwe Bonnes
<bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote in
<hebcgc$og4$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>:

>In comp.dsp Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:31:10 +0100) it happened "Helmut
>> Sennewald" <helmutsennewald@t-online.de> wrote in
>> <heb3th$68b$03$1@news.t-online.com>:
>
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >I have it, in German. Let's hope you understand my translation.
>> >
>> >Dieser Krug ist gemacht,
>> >dass man jubelt und lacht.
>> >Doch in geheimer Kammer,
>> >schläft der Katzenjammer.
>> >
>> >
>> >This pitcher is made,
>> >to make people laugh and chear.
>> >But on the q.t., (But in private)
>> >sleeps the hangover
>
>> Maybe better: 'But in a secret place waits the hangover'?
>Probably 'geheim' is better translated to 'private' and perhaps the last two
>lines translated to:
>But in the private chamber
>hangover lingers

Ah, 'geheimer Kammer' is the BRAIN!
Of course (its old German slang)!
The only secret place is your head :-)
But in the head the hangover lingers?
But in the head the hangover waits?
?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:04 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Nov 22, 6:42 am, BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> ignator wrote:
> ...
> > I'm not a theoretical physicist, but sure would like it if everything
> > made logical and intuitive sense.
> ...
> --
> BottleBobhttp://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

Einstein didn't believe in quantum mechanics, [God] doesn't play dice
with the Universe.

jsw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:14 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Andrew VK3BFA" <VK3BFA@wia.org.au> wrote in message
news:fe80643d-8056-4dd5-ad3b-e7c329efea7d@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 22, 1:29 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionsl...@consolidated.net> wrote in
> messagenews:dO1Om.258650$Jp1.125819@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091121/ap_on_sc/eu_sci_big_bang_machine
>
> > Yes - call some back from home when the machine booted and ran like it
> > should and skipped pages of checkout and get working pages.
>
> > Looks good and only a year behind schedule.
> > Martin
>
> OK, we're back in business. Now, who's holding the bets on the Higgs
> boson?
> I'm saying "no way." <g>
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

>Hey, thats metaphysics Ed - or may as well be for most of us. ......I
>shall go back to trying to figure out how to become competent in using
>manually operated machine tools - just came across a design for a
>cavity amplifier for 23cm that I "should" be able to machine up......
>(depends on what the scrapyard has in stock...)
>
>A General Question to the group - its said that Stephen Hawkings books
>hold the record for the most bought but unread books of all time - is
>there anyone here who can understand them, and give a A4 sized
>summary?
>
>Andrew VK3BFA.

I'll be watching for a response to your question, Andrew. This ought to be
rich. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Hackers steal electronic data
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 5:15 am
From: "I M @ good guy"

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:32:35 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer
<spamtrap.AT@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:

>BDR-529 <el@wood> wrote:
>
>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>> > BDR-529 <el@wood> wrote:
>> >> Winston_Smith wrote:
>> >>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112004093.html?hpid=sec-nation
>> >>>> "Hackers steal electronic data from top climate research center"
>> >>>> [
>> >>>> The skeptics have seized upon e-mails stolen from the Climatic Research Unit of
>> >>>> the University of East Anglia in Britain as evidence that scientific data have
>> >>>> been rigged to make it appear as if humans are causing global warming.
>> >>> ...snip
>> >>>> Expect wingers to post altertions & fabrications too.
>> >>> From what I've seen of them so far, circulating them as is, unaltered
>> >>> is about the most damning thing they could do.
>> >>>
>> >>> Notice - from YOUR source - "evidence ... have been rigged to make it
>> >>> appear as if humans are causing global warming."
>> >> That is simply not true, it may have been rigged to look neater, but
>> >> there is too much evidence in favor of man-made global warming that has
>> >> nothing to do with the CRU data being hacked.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps take a look at www.skepticalscience.com.
>> >
>> > And there is plenty to say it isn't too. Your saying it, does not
>> > prove the case. My saying it, does not prove the case.
>> >
>> > The question remains why would they "rig" the data if it proves their
>> > point on it's own merits?
>>
>> People "rig" the data to show what they want to show.
>>
>> Do it with any time series coming from an instrument, and try to explain
>> your grandma what that instrument is supposed to show. Soon you'll be
>> fiddling and twisting the data to make your point.
>>
>> Now, this happens in nearly every branch of science, point is whether
>> the modifications in presenting the data to support the theory differ
>> from one group to another.
>>
>> If group "A" says: "we see that the moon is made from swiss cheese"
>> while group "B" says it does not, then which information would you take
>> in your report to grandma?
>
>What AGWs do... rigging up an average of both and claiming a correlation to
>CO2 with a minimal standard error.
>Statisticians would like to draw a trend line from that on how long it lasts
>until the cheese part is rotten and the moon will be doomed.

Most important, it suggests that AGW, is based on a
misconstrued impression of what GHGs do with an extreme,
even demented focus on CO2 and it's capability.

GHGs do no make the Earth "warmer", something about
the atmosphere keeps it from cooling off as much at night,
but it is warmer in daytime than at night unless a strong
warm front moves in with the wind.

The idea that GHGs warm the Earth is comical too,
since GHGs cool the atmosphere, another case of both
warming and cooling, perhaps if properly defined and
described, is true.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:09 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com> wrote in message
news:1_6Om.68926$Wf2.40501@newsfe23.iad...
>
> "Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote in message
> news:heaqb2$nat$20@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:32:35 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer
>> <spamtrap.AT@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
>>
>>> BDR-529 <el@wood> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>> > BDR-529 <el@wood> wrote:
>>>> >> Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>> >>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/
>> AR2009112004093.html?hpid=sec-nation
>>>> >>>> "Hackers steal electronic data from top climate research center"
>>>> >>>> [
>>>> >>>> The skeptics have seized upon e-mails stolen from the Climatic
>>>> >>>> Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in Britain as
>>>> >>>> evidence that scientific data have been rigged to make it appear
>>>> >>>> as if humans are causing global warming.
>>>> >>> ...snip
>>>> >>>> Expect wingers to post altertions & fabrications too.
>>>> >>> From what I've seen of them so far, circulating them as is,
>>>> >>> unaltered is about the most damning thing they could do.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Notice - from YOUR source - "evidence ... have been rigged to make
>>>> >>> it appear as if humans are causing global warming."
>>>> >> That is simply not true, it may have been rigged to look neater, but
>>>> >> there is too much evidence in favor of man-made global warming that
>>>> >> has nothing to do with the CRU data being hacked.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Perhaps take a look at www.skepticalscience.com.
>>>> >
>>>> > And there is plenty to say it isn't too. Your saying it, does not
>>>> > prove the case. My saying it, does not prove the case.
>>>> >
>>>> > The question remains why would they "rig" the data if it proves their
>>>> > point on it's own merits?
>>>>
>>>> People "rig" the data to show what they want to show.
>>>>
>>>> Do it with any time series coming from an instrument, and try to
>>>> explain your grandma what that instrument is supposed to show. Soon
>>>> you'll be fiddling and twisting the data to make your point.
>>>>
>>>> Now, this happens in nearly every branch of science, point is whether
>>>> the modifications in presenting the data to support the theory differ
>>>> from one group to another.
>>>>
>>>> If group "A" says: "we see that the moon is made from swiss cheese"
>>>> while group "B" says it does not, then which information would you take
>>>> in your report to grandma?
>>>
>>> What AGWs do... rigging up an average of both and claiming a correlation
>>> to CO2 with a minimal standard error.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence for that?
>>
>>> Statisticians would like to draw a trend line from that on how long it
>>> lasts until the cheese part is rotten and the moon will be doomed.
>>
>> Do you have any evidence to support that brain fart either?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Curly
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Too late, your side falsified data and got caught. Point, set,
> match...you loose!

Him loose? Me think you tight -- and getting tighter by the minute. d8-)

When did you take up drinking in such a big way, Tom?

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:44 am
From: RayLopez99

On Nov 22, 3:51 am, Bill Ward <bw...@ix.REMOVETHISnetcom.com> wrote:
> >>> "Hackers steal electronic data from top climate research center"
> >>> [
> >>> The skeptics have seized upon e-mails stolen from the Climatic
> >>> Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in Britain as evidence
> >>> that scientific data have been rigged to make it appear as if humans
> >>> are causing global warming.
> >> ...snip
> >>> Expect wingers to post altertions & fabrications too.
>
> >> From what I've seen of them so far, circulating them as is, unaltered
> >> is about the most damning thing they could do.
>
> >> Notice - from YOUR source - "evidence ... have been rigged to make it
> >> appear as if humans are causing global warming."
>
> > That is simply not true, it may have been rigged to look neater, but
> > there is too much evidence in favor of man-made global warming that has
> > nothing to do with the CRU data being hacked.
>
> If there is clear evidence for AGW, then why did they have to behave the
> way they did? I can understand trying to cheat if they knew were losing,
> but why if they thought they had an honest, convincing case? Just for
> the fun of it? It doesn't look good either way.
>
> > Perhaps take a look atwww.skepticalscience.com.
>
> Why? I've seen it. Quote the part you think is convincing.
>
> <snip>

Right you are. Even the liberal Washington Post ran an article today
about how this story is #1 in their online most popular and how it's
equivalent to the "Pentagon Papers". Imagine, says the Post, this
happening in AIDS research.

If researchers are intimidated over publishing anything negative about
the effects of GW, we'll never uncover the truth. And the truth may
be, as the IPCC (!) itself has said, only a mean sea level rise of 5
cm over the next 100 years at the lower bound--nothing to worry
about. Climate change has been going on since the last Ice Age, and
climate goes in cycles. If we let the strong AGW proponents steal the
show, and impose Draconian CO2 limits, it will make this Great
Recession look like a Great Depression in no time. The best solution
is a mild carbon tax (for Peak Oil purposes) or doing nothing until we
have better technology to directly remove CO2 from the atmosphere via
geoengineering.

We can't let these AGW 'tards win. It will be the death of the human
race--which most of them, as Green freaks, secretly want.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:15 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Nov 21, 5:59 pm, Jon Anderson <janders1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> For my eventual move to Oz, I will be building my own motor/generator to
> power those tools that cannot be converted to 3phase. Don't plan to run
> many items at once, I'm thinking about maybe a 4kw generator.
>
> What's a good reliable generator at the output end? Going to try to find
> one with a bad engine, but want to make sure the other half will last a
> while given the expense of having a replacement shipped over....
> And yeah, I'm planning on taking spare parts for it.
>
> Jon

I think you are looking for something like this.

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Search on " generator head ST "

However these are made in China and are probably available in
Australia.

Dan

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:29 am
From: Straightarrow

On Nov 21, 8:36 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote innews:dlpfg590iig1e9tfav019bcmaccg08rsq3@4ax.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:54:17 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> > <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
> >>news:4b06ae43$0$6720$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>
> >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:4b05f054$0$6707$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>
> >>>>> Yup wrote:
> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 6:34 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...
> @Talk-
> >>n-
> >>>>>> dog.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Just because she quit her last elected office to make
> >>>>>>>>>> money instead is no reason to think she would quit her
> >>>>>>>>>> next elected office to go make money, no?
> >>>>>>>>> I heard she has a hard time talking about her book since she
> quit
> >>>>>>>>> reading it halfway through...
> >>>>>>>> Good joke.
> >>>>>>>> Gunner
> >>>>>>> She probably knew how it ends....
>
> >>>>>> same way it begins - with lies ...
> >>>>> Lies about her by the press.....
>
> >>>>> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>
> >>>>> Kick ass conservative women.
>
> >>>>> If they were Libertarians it would be a dream Date.
>
> >>>>> *Palin Coulter in 2012*
>
> >>>> Ah yes.
>
> >>>> Coulter.
>
> >>>> Who thinks women should not vote, but
> >>>> who votes herself.
>
> >>>> Where do you guys find these people?
>
> >>>> "It would be a much better country if women did
> >>>> not vote. That is simply a fact".
> >>>> Ann Coulter, May 17, 2003.
>
> >>>> "I think women should be armed but should not vote"
> >>>> Ann Coulter, February 26, 2001.
>
> >>>> Ann Coulter is Under Investigation for Vote Fraud
> >>>> February 8, 2009
> >>>> One of the country's most outspoken conservative
> >>>> commentators, Ann Coulter, may have committed
> >>>> vote fraud. Records and lawsuits show that Coulter
> >>>> voted in Connecticut while living in New York.
> >>>>http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/8902
>
> >>> She is funny isn't she....
>
> >> As in "funny in the head", as insanity
> >>was politely referred to.......
>
> > So Bitchell..hows that hope and changey thing working out for you
> > Leftards?
>
> You bet. Stock market is up, consumer confidence
> is up, car sales are up, unemployment is down, the
> Iraq Quagmire is winding down, the Bush Recession is
> winding down, our president just won the Nobel Peace
> Prize.
>
> Things are looking better all the time.....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

HUH??? WHAT ??!!!!!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:31 am
From: Straightarrow

On Nov 21, 8:58 pm, Stuart Wheaton <sdwhea...@fuse.net> wrote:
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yup wrote:
> >> On Nov 20, 3:00 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Nov 19, 9:38 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Just because she quit her last elected office to make
> >>>>>>>>>>> money instead is no reason to think she would quit her
> >>>>>>>>>>> next elected office to go make money, no?
> >>>>>>>>>> I heard she has a hard time talking about her book since she quit
> >>>>>>>>>> reading it halfway through...
> >>>>>>>>> Good joke.
> >>>>>>>>> Gunner
> >>>>>>>> She probably knew how it ends....
> >>>>>>> same way it begins - with lies ...
> >>>>>> Lies about her by the press.....
> >>>>>> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> >>>>>> Kick ass conservative women.
> >>>>>> If they were Libertarians it would be a dream Date.
> >>>>>> *Palin Coulter in 2012*
> >>>>>> Yeah - if they were Loonytarians - they'd be even less electable.
> >>>>>> Bring it on.
> >>>>> Each and every one of your posts is being read by people who at the
> >>>>> moment, find you to be nothing more than a pitiful
> >>>>> Leftard..but..shrug..in a couple more years...will simply kill you and
> >>>>> bury you in a mass grave with others of your type.
> >>>>> Enjoy the next several years as much as you can.
> >>>>> Shrug...the end wont be easy or brief.
> >>>> Poor Gumper - the obvious truth about what jokes Palin, Coulter and
> >>>> Loonytarians are hurts your little feelings so much you feel the need
> >>>> to make lame threats - which we've seen you do on countless threads
> >>>> lately. You should be far more concerned about the consequences of
> >>>> such postings on public newsgroups, because they are very real. The
> >>>> feds are coming for you Gumper. You'd best grow an extra set of eyes
> >>>> in the back of your head - maybe you should try to grow a brain while
> >>>> you're at it. lol
> >>> The feds are coming for me? Shrug, we have talked and they know full
> >>> well that I dont make threats on Usenet.
>
> > When the Feds come, they will need a warrant....
>
> You must not have been paying much attention to the state of civil
> liberties over the last 8 years, all the President has to do is to
> decide you pose a threat to America, and you can be grabbed off the
> street and hauled off, sent to a foreign country for torture and nobody
> hass to tell anyone where you went.
>
> And just think, all that was made precedent by a good ol' Republican.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And Obama wants to put us in jail if we don't buy gubmint insurance.
And you don't see a problem with that?? HUH??!!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:32 am
From: Straightarrow

On Nov 22, 1:52 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote innews:knphg5pjcj4eair70bif84s7q9u27d6mc9@4ax.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:00:22 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> > <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> on
> >>or about Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:52:20 -0800 did write/type or cause to
> >>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
> >>>> Things are looking better all the time.....
>
> >>>Have you been to see a competent mental health professional recently?
> >>>One that wont keep loading you up with mood enhancers?
>
> >> Hey, let him have his alternative reality, even if it is
> >>artificial and chemically induced. It makes him happy.
>
> > But Croms blood! it certainly makes him stupid.
>
> >>tschus
> >>pyotr
>
> >>Yeah, yeah, I know he fell out of the stupid tree, but don't encourage
> >>him to climb back up to show how he hit every branch on the way down.
> >>-
> >>pyotr filipivich
> >>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
> >>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
>
> > "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
> > I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
> > Unknown Usnet Poster
>
> "That's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out."
> Sarah Palin, July 3, 2009, while announcing she was quitting.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

HUH?? Sarah Palin is a private citizen??!! WTF is WRONG with you
people FFS ??

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TOPIC: Explosion Welding
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:39 am
From: "Jon Danniken"

dav1936531@nowhere.invalid wrote:
> A cool video on a very unique welding process.
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7cc_1258854138
>
> Dave

Where's the rest of it?

Jon

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TOPIC: 3-D prototyping printer?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1afc1d5fdec1fbc9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:51 am
From: Paul_AtreidestheMuadib

On Nov 3, 8:45 pm, DaveC <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:
> I remember seeing a web page describing a process that deposited (sprayed?)
> material (plastic?) to build up a CAD design so that in the end you have a
> 3-D prototype of your design.
>
> Basically, a CNC machine that adds material, not takes it away.
>
> Can someone point me to a web reference of this type of machine?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave

the 3D PRINER WAS INSPIRED TO CHINESE GODS,BY CORTEZ

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 6:53 am
From: Paul_AtreidestheMuadib

On Nov 3, 9:05 pm, Spehro Pefhany <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:45:11 -0800, DaveC <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:
> >I remember seeing a web page describing a process that deposited (sprayed?)
> >material (plastic?) to build up a CAD design so that in the end you have a
> >3-D prototype of your design.
>
> >Basically, a CNC machine that adds material, not takes it away.
>
> >Can someone point me to a web reference of this type of machine?
>
> >Thanks,
> >Dave
>
> There are MANY different such machines, and they produce imperfect
> parts with different characteristics.
>
> Basic methods are--
>
> SLA - stereolithography, where a laser polymerizes a liquid and
> it emerges from a bath of liquid like the creature from the
> black lagoon
>
> FDM - fused deposition modelling- sort of an automated glue gun
> lays down layers. Eg. Stratsys.
>
> LOM - laminated object manufacturing- a roll of plastic is cut
> with an automated knife to create layers of the end product
>
> SLS - Selective laser sintering (of powder). This has been combined
> with inkjet color printing to produce colorful 3-D object.
> Metal powder is possible.
>
> Google for "Rapid Prototyping" and you'll find more info, machines,
> service bureaus etc.
>
> Part finish and material bulk characteristics are rather inferior to
> solid material in every sense (strength, porosity etc.) and it's
> possible to make structures that are not machinable and not
> injection moldable (eg. with complex internal voids etc.).
>
> If you don't mind doing a bit of work afterward (polishing, drilling,
> filing, painting etc) you can get a fairly good idea of what an
> injection molded part will look like before spending the money for a
> mold-- even demonstrate functional prototypes at trade shows etc.
> Ideal for 'industrial engineers' interested in cool sculptured shapes
> etc.
>
> I'm currently using several different methods (through service
> bureaus) to create small quantities of plastic and metal parts for
> high tech applications. I do the modelling in Solidworks, output an
> STL file, send it off, and parts arrive by courier in a bit.

To choose the best method,look for methods with same synchretic
backgrounds

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TOPIC: MORE FauxFrauds
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f5163875d8cc074f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:20 am
From: Mitchell Holman

"Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com> wrote in
news:hS6Om.68755$Wf2.27644@newsfe23.iad:

>
> "Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:aplhg5h78m6b5o46v2aldrmt6nq90s9ffg@4ax.com...
>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 21, 9:01 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_
>>>> >n_...
>>>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>>> >For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under
>>>> >fire for
>>>> >misusing old news footage.
>>>>
>>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of
>>>> Obama's death care and his collapsing economy.
>>>>
>>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at
>>>> the hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>>
>>>Making excuses for Faux News now Winston?
>>
>> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so fixated
>> on it in the face of so many real problems.
>
> It's all they got! Especially now that Gore's scam has been exposed
> and he'll probably lose his Nobel Prize, healthcare votes cost .2
> Billion$, unemployment is 10%+ and rising, terrorists will be released
> in NYC, President Wee-Wee is shriveling up under the strain, leading
> Democrat Congressman gets 13 years in the slammer, libtards screwed-up
> the flu vaccine, States are bankrupt and Palin's book is selling like
> hotcakes. BUT, FOX PLAYED THE WRONG VIDEO! FOX PLAYED THE WRONG
> VIDEO! FOX PLAYED THE WRONG VIDEO!

Maybe Fox should do what they always do when the news
is bad for them - crank up yet more protracted updates on
the Natalie Holloway story that is their staple diversionary
story.............

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:21 am
From: Mitchell Holman

Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in
news:aplhg5h78m6b5o46v2aldrmt6nq90s9ffg@4ax.com:

> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 21, 9:01 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n
>>> >_...
>>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20091119/ts_ynews/ynews_ts988_5
>>> >For the second time in just over a week, Fox News is coming under
>>> >fire for misusing old news footage.
>>>
>>> I see you are still doing what you can to keep the heat off of
>>> Obama's death care and his collapsing economy.
>>>
>>> Bogus file footage hardly compares with the death of a nation at the
>>> hands of a socialist, now does it?
>>
>>Making excuses for Faux News now Winston?
>
> Not a bit. I'm just wondering why the leftist wingers are so fixated
> on it in the face of so many real problems.

How many of those "real problems" DIDN'T start
under the last president?

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TOPIC: Test - How Fast is Your CAM System?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/329407dccf3dc424?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:26 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:10:30 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The big picture is you need a tool library to create any kind of
>meaningful automation in a CADCAM program.

Therefore you MUST get DelCAM to use CAD, right?

Find out how to drill holes yet? Yourself?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:28 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:40:43 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>We have yet to see any real comment discussed here other than the
>FACTS I've post showing how buggy Mastercam X4 is. Further the
>original poster who started this tread is obsessed with how long it
>takes to pick out a tool out of a library rather than defining it from
>scratch.

You've never done either, eh, yonnie?
--
Cliff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:31 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:40:43 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>If there is another way of doing
>this than Guido / Hang Dog should be posting the name of the CADCAM
>system that doesn't need a tool library but knowing Guido / Hang Dog
>he won't.

I guess none of them can drill holes, eh?

OTOH YOU Never answered His/Her/Their questions.
No clues (again)?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Is Feature Based CAM Programming For Those Who Can't Machine?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/55620e9184b83067?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:39 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:34:42 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Once again the Jon Banquer blog leads the way in cutting through all
>the bullshit being spread about feature based CAM programming:
>
>http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/is-feature-based-cam-programming-for-those-who-cant-machine/
>
>The Jon Banquer blog is the leading CAM-centric blog on the internet.
>If you're not reading the Jon Banquer blog you can be sure of one
>thing... your competition is. ;>)

Anybody else recall poor yonnie clueless and his "Total Control"
rants?

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_q=total+control&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&scoring=&lr=&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2009&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2009&as_ugroup=alt.machines.cnc&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&safe=off

Tell me he's not a hoot. NOW he wants NO control !!!
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: So why isn't our "hardworking patriotic conservative" Gunner whining
about this?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:39 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Nov 8, 7:13 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Because he doesn't pay taxes but continues to use public services
> including welfare.
>
> TMT
>
> latimes.com
> California to withhold a bigger chunk of paychecks
> The amount goes up 10% on Sunday as Sacramento borrows from taxpayers.
> Technically, it's not an income tax increase: You'll get the money
> back eventually.
> By Shane Goldmacher and W.J. Hennigan
>
> October 31, 2009
>
> Reporting from Los Angeles and Sacramento
>
> Starting Sunday, cash-strapped California will dig deeper into the
> pocketbooks of wage earners -- holding back 10% more than it already
> does in state income taxes just as the biggest shopping season of the
> year kicks into gear.
>
> Technically, it's not a tax increase, even though it may feel like one
> when your next paycheck arrives. As part of a bundle of budget patches
> adopted in the summer, the state is taking more money now in
> withholding, even though workers' annual tax bills won't change.
>
> Think of it as a forced, interest-free loan: You'll be repaid any
> extra withholding in April. Those who would receive a refund anyway
> will receive a larger one, and those who owe taxes will owe less.
>
> But with rising gas costs, depressed home prices and double-digit
> unemployment, the state's added reach into residents' regular paycheck
> isn't sitting well with many.
>
> "The state's suddenly slapping people upside the head," said Mack
> Reed, 50, of Silver Lake. "It's appalling how brash that is."
>
> Brittney McKaig, 23, of Santa Ana said she expects the additional
> withholding to affect her holiday spending.
>
> "Coming into the holidays, we're getting squeezed anyway," she said.
> "We're not getting Christmas bonuses and other perks we used to get.
> So it all falls back on spending. The $40 gift will become a $20
> gift."
>
> The extra withholding may seem like a small amount siphoned from each
> paycheck, but it adds up to a $1.7-billion fix for California's
> deficit-riddled books.
>
> From a single taxpayer earning $51,000 a year with no dependents, the
> state will be grabbing an extra $17.59 each month, according to state
> tax officials. A married person earning $90,000 with two dependents
> would receive $24.87 less in monthly pay.
>
> California will probably continue to collect the tax at a higher rate
> for many years -- or find an additional $1.7 billion to slice from a
> future budget, an unlikely occurrence. All workers who have state
> taxes withheld will see their paychecks shrink.
>
> "Many families are sitting at their kitchen table wondering how
> they're going to make ends meet," said state Sen. Tony Strickland (R-
> Thousand Oaks). "At the same time, the state of California is taking a
> no-interest loan."
>
> The provision is one of numerous maneuvers state lawmakers and Gov.
> Arnold Schwarzenegger approved in the summer to paper over the state's
> deficit. Many of the changes, including the extra withholding, were
> little noticed outside of Sacramento.
>
> Savvy taxpayers can get around the state's maneuver by increasing the
> number of personal withholding allowances they claim on their employer
> tax forms, said Brenda Voet, a spokeswoman for the state's Franchise
> Tax Board.
>
> "People can get out of this," she said, noting that most people would
> have to change their allowances through their employers. California's
> budget leaders are banking on the hope that most won't.
>
> The increase is coming at a bad time for store owners, many of whom
> depend on the holiday shopping season to keep their businesses alive.
>
> "I don't think there's any question it's going to impact consumers'
> spending," said Bill Dombrowski, president of the California Retailers
> Assn. "Any time you reduce people's disposable income, there's going
> to be a negative effect on the retail sector."
>
> But Stephen Levy, director of the Center for Continuing Study of the
> California Economy, wasn't so sure.
>
> "It's having a relatively small impact on people's income," Levy said,
> pointing out that many families will receive only $12 to $40 less each
> month.
>
> Yet Erika Wendt, 28, of San Diego said she already lived on a tight
> budget: She rides her bike to work, for instance, to save on gasoline
> and parking costs.
>
> "I am frustrated as this directly impacts my weekly budget -- what
> groceries I buy, how much I drive and can spend on gas," she said.
> "Now money will just be tighter, and I'm not sure where else I can cut
> back."
>
> The extra withholding comes in addition to tax hikes the state enacted
> this year.
>
> In February, state income tax rates were bumped up 0.25 of a
> percentage point for every tax bracket. The dependent credit was
> slashed by two-thirds. The state sales tax rate rose 1 percentage
> point. The vehicle license fee nearly doubled to 1.15% of a car's
> value.
>
> Lawmakers and the governor also approved deep cuts to schools, social
> services and prisons to fend off one of the steepest revenue losses in
> California history.
>
> Temporary budget bandages, such as the increase in withholding, were
> included at several points this year to avoid higher taxes and deeper
> cuts, said H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the state Department of
> Finance.
>
> Sacramento, meanwhile, is awash in red ink again. The state controller
> recently said revenue in the budget year already had fallen more than
> $1 billion short of assumptions. Outsize deficits are projected for
> years to come.
>
> Such temporary measures as the withholding tax increase don't really
> fix the budget gap, "they just more or less hid it," said Christopher
> Thornberg, a principal with Beacon Economics in Los Angeles. "I call
> it a fraud."
>
> shane.goldmacher@ latimes.com
>
> william.hennigan@ latimes.com
>
> Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times

So *shrug* Gunner....how's *shrug* the *shrug* job *shrug* search
*shrug* going?

TMT

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TOPIC: OT - China Buys Hummer... we dumped a piece of shit on the stupid
Chinks.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:42 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

Harold Burton wrote:
> In article <4b089b18$0$5016$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hal.i.burton-FF09E1.20514521112009@news.newsguy.com...
>>> In article <4b036666$0$5017$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hal.i.burton-731A76.22055417112009@news.newsguy.com...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <2ffe7192-d2a5-4eb9-ba70-c8fe2d50e9ad@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So will the DOD be buying their Humvees from China?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to the Republicans they will be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TMT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iconic Hummer brand sold to Chinese manufacturer
>>>>>
>>>>> Good. The Hummer is a piece of shit and we unloaded it on the Chinks.
>>>>> Let it pollute their already over polluted air.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotta love it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Snicker.
>>>> Uh, they're planning to continue to build and sell it here in the US. The
>>>> Chinese companies involved just own it now.
>>>
>>> Pretty stupid of them.
>> Man, they are stupid, all right. They took a perfectly good communist
>> pesthole and turned it into the fastest growing economy in the world.
>
>
>
>
>
> If you start with a low enough baseline and are willing to rape the
> environment you can achieve fantastic short term results.

When your enemy is willing, you will be at a great disadvantage if you
choose to restrain your progress voluntarily.

What if Hitler had created the Atomic Bomb first.

You plan is a plan for Mediocrity and failure.

Were you in charge we would soon be overcome by some other more willing
to break a few eggs.

> Snicker.

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Sunday, November 22, 2009

rec.crafts.metalworking - 25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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