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TOPIC: Just How Far Behind Is Gibbscam?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/067d2e5473b9779c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:04 am
From: Joe788

It's easy enough to see for yourself where using Delcam For SolidWorks
interactive feature recognition you tell it what feature you wish to
create and then pick the SolidWorks feature from the SolidWorks
Feature Manager or the SolidWorks graphics area and for anything
you've created the technology for and stored you're done. No chaining,
no enter in machining parameters, no enter in the tool definition on
the fly, no pick the tool from the tool library, no set the lead in
and lead out. That's it. Your done.

Now lets look at a stand-alone approach. Not as good but passable...
for now. I doubt it will be for much longer as fully intergrated
CADCAM has too many advantages.

DP Technology Esprit 2010 has something called FX which imports the
SolidWorks Feature Manager and even use's all the same icons
SolidWorks does to recreate the SolidWorks Feature Manager inside of
Esprit 2010... I don't believe any feature recognition is done, I
believe it's all data taken from the SolidWorks file. While this
approach isn't as good as running inside of SolidWorks it's far better
than Gibbscam which has no fucking clue what a SolidWorks feature even
is!

In this mostly sales gimmick video a few very important things can be
seen in regards to DP Technology Esprit 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu1f04ai8Ro

1. The SolidWorks Feature Manager from the part is transferred into
Esprit 2010.

2. Esprit 2010 has the highest level of MachineWorks integration of
any CAM program.

3. I love how Esprit allows you to edit the properties of just about
anything in its Property Manager

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TOPIC: Test - How Fast is Your CAM System?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/329407dccf3dc424?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:10 am
From: Joe788

We have yet to see any real comment discussed here other than the
FACTS I've post showing how buggy Mastercam X4 is. Further the
original poster who started this tread is obsessed with how long it
takes to pick out a tool out of a library rather than defining it from
scratch. This is because the original poster topped out at $23.50 an
hour and is a fucking moron when it comes to CADCAM. He only knows
Gibbscam and can't see any kind of big picture. Retired is where he
belongs.

Here is your content:

The big picture is you need a tool library to create any kind of
meaningful automation in a CADCAM program. In fact, you actually need
multiple user defined tool libraries to really give you control over
your automation / what your doing. If there is another way of doing
this than Guido / Hang Dog should be posting the name of the CADCAM
system that doesn't need a tool library but knowing Guido / Hang Dog
he won't. Suffice it to say that every system I know of, from
Mastercam, to Siemens NX, to SolidCAM, to Delcam For SolidWorks has
tool libraries but once again the point isn't really tool libraries
it's how do you automate repetitive bullshit that slows down CNC
program creation. The original poster doesn't want to go there because
Gibbscam doesn't have any real automation. Why? Bill Gibbs made the
decision years ago that Feature Recognition was bullshit and he waited
much to long to start using what little Gibbscam does use. Last I
heard Gibbscam was using GSSL's feature recognition for holes. Here's
a head's up: FeatureCAM doesn't use anything from GSSL. They do their
own feature recognition and they're damn proud of it.

Notice in this video that a tool is NEVER seen being chosen out of a
library or defined by scratch. Why? Because the automation in Delcam
For SolidWorks is applying the tools from the tool library that the
user has previously chosen that the user wishes to use for this part.

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/new-delcam-for-solidworks-video/

You wanted real content... now you've got real content.

I'm sure Cliffy, Tom Brewer, John Carroll and the real / fake Joe788
will be along shortly to try and move this thread off topic with their
usual fucking bullshit.

It's all about saving time and without a tool library to help in
applying a process to a feature you can't do much automation in any
CADCAM system that I know of. If Hang Dog / Guido knows of a system he
should have named it by now instead of playing his usual game of
obfuscation.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:44 am
From: larryrozer

On Nov 21, 12:10 am, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Notice in this video that a tool is NEVER seen being chosen out of a
> library or defined by scratch. Why?

Because it's a canned DEMO !

> http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/new-delcam-for-solidworks-video/

Still nothing new, nothing that hasn't been around for quite a few
years there Jon.

> What Delcam For SolidWorks does is reduce the tediousness that's often
> associated with CADCAM programming and allows you to create part
> programs much, much faster

Why are you so impressed with it now, all of a sudden?

You do know this is nothing new, right?

You never used a real CAD/CAM system where the model (CAD) and
machining (CAM) is associative?

Think CAD/CAM Jon, associative, feature recognition, it's been around
for years. Where you been, thought you were an expert?

> than stand-alone CADCAM programs like
> Gibbscam that don't even know what a feature is.

As an expert you make quite a few beginner mistakes Jon. Like calling
GibbsCAM a CADCAM program. GibbsCAM is a CAM program NOT a CAD/CAM
program, you should know that.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:52 am
From: Joe788

Here is your content:

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/new-delcam-for-solidworks-video/

You wanted real content... now you've got real content.

I'm sure Cliffy, Tom Brewer, John Carroll and the real / fake Joe788
will be along shortly to try and move this thread off topic with their
usual fucking bullshit.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:49 am
From: larryrozer

On Nov 21, 12:52 am, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> We have yet to see any real comment discussed here

What CAD, CAM or CAD/CAM program did you use when you programmed
BottleBob's part?

Not idiot proof since you managed to make an error right off the bat
trying to draw this very simple part.

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TOPIC: repair "gloat"(?)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6e4ff84683e8fdf4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:24 am
From: Erik

In article <1258772742.361626@news01.syix.com>,
"Roger Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote:

> If you are worried about losing spring loaded parts, get a big clear plastic
> bag and disassemble inside the bag.
>
> --
>
> Roger Shoaf

Roger beat me to the punch suggesting this one.

This trick has saved my hide more than once... I even keep a nice
dedicated 'containment bag' tucked away in the shop for just such
occasions.

Erik

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:56 am
From: "kfvorwerk@gmail.com"

On Nov 20, 5:06 pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
> "William Wixon" <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:iuHNm.46192$rE5.23322@newsfe08.iad...
>
> > I was hesitant to open up the trigger switch, I'd done such things in the
> past,
> > when I was younger (recently turned 50), had better eyesight, more nimble
> > mind and body, now I was afraid if the inevitable SPRING (BOING) flew out
> of
> > it or a miniscule part fell out and bounced off the table and onto the
> floor
> > as I was disassembling it I'd NEVER be able to find it, and parts aren't
> > available for this drill, er, I don't think so, I called northern and the
> > guy gave me another phone number that I didn't get around to calling.
>
> [Note: The i's replaced with I's. much easier to read]
>
> Bill,
>
> If you are worried about losing spring loaded parts, get a big clear plastic
> bag and disassemble inside the bag.
>
> --
>
> Roger Shoaf
>
> About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
> they come up with this striped stuff.

That's taking all the sport out of repairing things.
Karl

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TOPIC: MIG Welder Costs?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b4a8a4278c5ceb22?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:28 am
From: Bruce L. Bergman

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:48:13 -0700, "SteveB"
<deserttraveler@fishmail.net> wrote:
>"gmark" <gmark99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:99d2561d-5da0-446a-9005-56f2387b5395@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

>> I bought a Clarke 190EN gas/gasless MIG welder. How big a
>> difference does it make to use it with gas? How does one go
>> about getting gas and how much does it cost?
>>
>> Any comments appreciated!
>>
>> GMS
>
>First of all, if it is not too late, take the welder back and get a real
>one. Either a Lincoln or a Miller. The problem with off brands is parts.
>Lincoln or Miller you can just about buy at a convenience store. You can
>weld thin stuff with gas, and you can't do that with flux core. You get a
>better looking weld with gas.

Well, it's already bought. But I would go in now and try buying the
consumables like gun tips and gas shields, a liner kit for the gun
whip, and an extra set of feed rollers for the optional larger (or
smaller) MIG wire. (They usually only give you the one set, you have
to buy the others.)

If they can't provide all the consumables and optional parts NOW, it
isn't going to get any better as the machine gets old. That's when
you see about backing out of the machine purchase.

>The gas you need will depend on what you are welding. Plain steel uses CO2,
>and then it goes up to about triple plus for the argon/CO2 which gives a
>better looking weld with less spatter. Special metals go from there. What
>did you get with your deal? A regulator?
>
>Now we get into tanks. Buy or lease? Figure a hundred bucks for a tank.
>You can buy one on the street, but we've talked that to death about leased
>versus owner tanks, and the advantages and disadvantages of each.

The small sized tanks are all "Owner tanks" and there is no dispute.
the 10# asnd 20# Carbon Dioxide, and the ~100 cubic foot or smaller
sizes of Argon or Argon/CO2 blend, or the more exotic shielding gases
for vvarious uses.

The 20# CO2 is commonly used for soda fountains and beer tappers - and
since the beverage industry is getting away from cylinder CO2 at
restaurants and bars in favor of cryogenic tanks refilled straight
from the tank truck, the small cylinders are plentiful and cheap.

Where you get into a gray area are the 'Full Size' cylinders (the 5'
tall ones) that are sometimes leased from the Welding Supply, and
sometimes sold to you outright - but you have to keep the receipt
paperwork that says you bought it forever.

The Lease cylinders have the name of the owner stramped on the
safety cap collar, the owner cylinders do not.

>A tank of CO2 goes for around $25. A tank of mixed goes for about $75. How
>long it lasts depends on how much you use it.
>
>Some starting info, anyway.

CO2 is in the cylinder as a liquid, so you get by far the most bang
for your buck on straight CO2. The others are pressurized gas, and
don't contain nearly as much gas volume.

--<< Bruce >>--

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TOPIC: You Should Know About Harry Reid's Government-Run Health Care
Experiment
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/67f7141a1d54de68?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:30 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"azotic" <azotic@cox.net> wrote in message
news:k0MNm.1579$Xb5.731@newsfe19.iad...
>
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4b076129$0$22529$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> Do you not want to live, if you have a heart attack?
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>
> There are potential quality of life issues where i would prefer
> not to live.

I've had a heart attack, and the living is just fine. It is for most people
who have had one -- those who got care. Those who didn't are dead.

I'd like to say that we can just let everyone decide if they'll be treated
or not but this isn't the Amazaon jungle. Someone is going to patch you up,
like it or not. Then they'll bill the rest of us for it.

>
> I am simply saying that some people have more faith in thier god
> than they do in doctors and that is the reason for the religious
> exemption in the bill.

Yeah. But we'll still wind up paying to patch them up, just like Gunner.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Thread Milling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a7d5314a78d660ee?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:31 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"oldjag" <msmith5242@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:26418b0e-b969-4d0f-8050-c3b5599212a0@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 20, 5:22 am, Mark Rand <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:27:24 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
> <huntre...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"oldjag" <msmith5...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:4b1ff1a7-6b2c-431d-8674-142fa7f20cff@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> >>I finally got the Solidcam .gpp post working correctly for my old
> >> Hurco KMB1. The helical milling seems to work pretty well, so I
> >> thinking of trying some thread milling. It appears dedicated thread
> >> mills are a bit pricey for trial and possible error use. Anyone have
> >> a source for surplus thread mills? If the thread mills that cut one
> >> thread groove at a time work okay I may try that first, they seem a
> >> bit cheaper. Eventually, I'd like to thread mill some shallow 8-32
> >> holes in aluminum.
>
> >Just curious, but why would you want to mill threads in aluminum? Unless
> >something has changed, thread milling usually is applied to materials
> >that
> >are difficult to thread with a conventional tap.
>
> You missed out the other main use for thread milling:- Threads that are
> large
> enough for the tap to be a serious amount of money compared with thread
> milling :-)
>
> Mark Rand
> RTFM

>Looks like Emuge has a pretty neat thread mill that drills the hole,
>mills the threads, and puts a relief groove at the bottom of a blind
>hole in one shot.

I haven't seen that one, but Emuge makes very nice tools.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Second Video Showing Delcam For SolidWorks
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/234c2c88dfed5e6c?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:35 am
From: larryrozer

On Nov 21, 12:02 am, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not a great video but it does show how smart Delcam For SolidWorks is
> when a pocket is changed by the customer. With this change in pocket
> design the original larger end mill chosen automatically for the
> pocket is now too big to machine all of the pocket. Watch what happens
> when the pocket is changed:

Still nothing new, nothing that hasn't been around for quite a few
years there Jon.

> http://www.delcamtv.com/delcam-video.asp?VideoId=82

> What Delcam For SolidWorks does is reduce the tediousness that's often
> associated with CADCAM programming and allows you to create part
> programs much, much faster

Why are you so impressed with it now, all of a sudden? You do know
this is nothing new, right? You never used a real CAD/CAM system where
the model (CAD) and machining (CAM) is associative?

Why hell, they even used SolidWorks in your video to edit the model.
Looked pretty easy, not like any of the beginner SW issues you
constantly had and complained about trying to use SW. OH! and they
still have a history tree, used it without any issues, whassssssssup
with dat? Seemed pretty easy to pick a feature and modify, didn't it?

Think CAD/CAM Jon, associative, it's been around for years. Where you
been, thought you were an expert?

> than stand-alone CADCAM programs like
> Gibbscam that don't even know what a feature is.

As an expert you make quite a few beginner mistakes Jon. Like calling
GibbsCAM a CADCAM program. GibbsCAM is a CAM program NOT a CAD/CAM

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:55 am
From: Joe788

Not a great video but it does show how smart Delcam For SolidWorks is
when a pocket is changed by the customer. With this change in pocket
design the original larger end mill chosen automatically for the
pocket is now too big to machine all of the pocket. Watch what happens
when the pocket is changed:

http://www.delcamtv.com/delcam-video.asp?VideoId=82

What Delcam For SolidWorks does is reduce the tediousness that's often
associated with CADCAM programming and allows you to create part
programs much, much faster than stand-alone CADCAM programs like
Gibbscam that don't even know what a feature is.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:36 am
From: larryrozer

On Nov 21, 12:55 am, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.delcamtv.com/delcam-video.asp?VideoId=82

Nothing special, same functionality has been around for years. As a
CAD/CAM Expert you should have known about it years ago.

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TOPIC: Fox News...Unfair and Imbalanced....LYING WINGERS BUSTED YET AGAIN
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9da5e723656297a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:29 am
From: "Buerste"

"Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:WKDNm.22282$gi1.17791@newsfe19.iad...
> Buerste wrote:
>> "Deucalion" <someone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:nscdg5l5vpj9pe4ethpekcbb3csib01ao1@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>>>>>
>>>>> TMT
>>>>>
>>>>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video
>>>>> Thu Nov 19, 3:36 pm ET
>>>>>
>>>> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't something
>>>> trivial like forging official Government documents, that would have
>>>> been OK.
>>> A lie is a lie and accountability is accountability.
>>
>> Except that Democrats get a pass.
>
> Well, it is interesting that you give Democrats a pass (sure doesn't
> appear to be the case in your writing, but, well, you wouldn't LIE, would
> you?).
>
> None of the Democrats I know give the Democrats a pass, unlike many of the
> Republicans I know...
>
> Did you think [sic] you had a point?
>
> Dan

I doubt that you've ever met a conservative.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:30 am
From: "Buerste"

"Deucalion" <someone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:daseg5l4hk36rb1fl60at2776m6o2lerug@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:09:22 -0800, Hawke
> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>>Deucalion wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>>>>>
>>>>> TMT
>>>>>
>>>>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video
>>>>> Thu Nov 19, 3:36 pm ET
>>>>>
>>>> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't something
>>>> trivial like forging official Government documents, that would have
>>>> been OK.
>>>
>>> A lie is a lie and accountability is accountability.
>>
>>
>>All this does is add more proof that Fox is not a legitimate news
>>outlet. It's opinion and propaganda. It's the media arm of the
>>republican party. Everything that comes on that network has a goal to
>>it, tear down the Democratic party and Democrats in general and do
>>everything it can to get republicans elected to public office. The only
>>thing that bothers me about what they do is the lying. If they would
>>just admit what they are doing it would be okay. But they have to
>>pretend they are not pro republican. But what do you expect from an
>>outfit filled with conservatives? Lying is a way of life for them so
>>that is what they give us.
>
> I don't watch FOX news or any of it's programming because I see it a
> crude propaganda. There are some people who think that WWF wrestling
> is the real deal too though. Even crude propaganda works on some
> people. Some of them even post here.

Thank God you have Kos, Move-on and Huffington to get the REAL truth from!

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:33 am
From: "Buerste"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30ce89b7-0570-4848-bd18-725f1b2cf5ba@e7g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 20, 2:09 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> Deucalion wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>
> >>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>
> >>> TMT
>
> >>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video
> >>> Thu Nov 19, 3:36 pm ET
>
> >> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't something
> >> trivial like forging official Government documents, that would have
> >> been OK.
>
> > A lie is a lie and accountability is accountability.
>
> All this does is add more proof that Fox is not a legitimate news
> outlet. It's opinion and propaganda. It's the media arm of the
> republican party. Everything that comes on that network has a goal to
> it, tear down the Democratic party and Democrats in general and do
> everything it can to get republicans elected to public office. The only
> thing that bothers me about what they do is the lying. If they would
> just admit what they are doing it would be okay. But they have to
> pretend they are not pro republican. But what do you expect from an
> outfit filled with conservatives? Lying is a way of life for them so
> that is what they give us.
>
> Hawke- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If they admitted their bias, I suspect their license would be pulled.

If they keep doing it, it just might be.

TMT
********************

Liberals would like nothing more than to disband ANY voice against their
agenda. And, they would do anything to achieve those ends. The end
justifies the means for them.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:33 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:51:59 -0500, Deucalion <someone@nowhere.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:03:21 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote in message
>>news:he6npc$n8c$5@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:19:35 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:he6cqb$c76$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-
>>>>> fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TMT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video Thu Nov 19, 3:36
>>>>>>> pm ET
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't
>>>>>> something trivial like forging official Government documents, that
>>>>>> would have been OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it is not ok. Since you imply that an opposing network has
>>>>> "forged official Government documents" show us where that happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards, Curly
>>>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
>>>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Are you inferring that I implied what you are insinuating?
>>>
>>> No, I asked for a reputable cite for your implication that an opposing
>>> network has "forged official Government documents" Sorry if you don't
>>> understand it but I don't know how to dumb it down any further.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards, Curly
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 2012 Run, Sarah, Run!
>>> 2012
>>>
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>>
>>You're saying that I implied "forged official Government documents".
>>
>>im-ply-verb
>>(used with object), -plied, -plying.1.to indicate or suggest without
>>being explicitly stated
>>
>>Get back to me when I explicitly state something. Sorry if you don't
>>understand it but I don't
>>know how to dumb it down any further.
>
> You're plenty dumb, but did you have a cite or not?

That Buerste cannot provide a cite is pretty clear evidence that he just
made up some more bullshit. Have you noticed that he does the Texas Two-
Step when caught making shit up?

Just like Gummer.

--
Regards, Curly
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2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
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== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:58 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:29:34 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com> wrote:

> "Dan" <dnadan56@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WKDNm.22282$gi1.17791@newsfe19.iad...
>> Buerste wrote:
>>> "Deucalion" <someone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>> news:nscdg5l5vpj9pe4ethpekcbb3csib01ao1@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-
fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TMT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video Thu Nov 19, 3:36
>>>>>> pm ET
>>>>>>
>>>>> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't
>>>>> something trivial like forging official Government documents, that
>>>>> would have been OK.
>>>> A lie is a lie and accountability is accountability.
>>>
>>> Except that Democrats get a pass.
>>
>> Well, it is interesting that you give Democrats a pass (sure doesn't
>> appear to be the case in your writing, but, well, you wouldn't LIE,
>> would you?).
>>
>> None of the Democrats I know give the Democrats a pass, unlike many of
>> the Republicans I know...
>>
>> Did you think [sic] you had a point?
>>
>> Dan
>
> I doubt that you've ever met a conservative.

So what? You seem to think Bush was a great president. Why would you
expect anyone to believe or give a shit what you "doubt"?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:59 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:30:47 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com> wrote:

> "Deucalion" <someone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:daseg5l4hk36rb1fl60at2776m6o2lerug@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:09:22 -0800, Hawke
>> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Deucalion wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-
fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TMT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video Thu Nov 19, 3:36
>>>>>> pm ET
>>>>>>
>>>>> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't
>>>>> something trivial like forging official Government documents, that
>>>>> would have been OK.
>>>>
>>>> A lie is a lie and accountability is accountability.
>>>
>>>
>>>All this does is add more proof that Fox is not a legitimate news
>>>outlet. It's opinion and propaganda. It's the media arm of the
>>>republican party. Everything that comes on that network has a goal to
>>>it, tear down the Democratic party and Democrats in general and do
>>>everything it can to get republicans elected to public office. The only
>>>thing that bothers me about what they do is the lying. If they would
>>>just admit what they are doing it would be okay. But they have to
>>>pretend they are not pro republican. But what do you expect from an
>>>outfit filled with conservatives? Lying is a way of life for them so
>>>that is what they give us.
>>
>> I don't watch FOX news or any of it's programming because I see it a
>> crude propaganda. There are some people who think that WWF wrestling
>> is the real deal too though. Even crude propaganda works on some
>> people. Some of them even post here.
>
> Thank God you have Kos, Move-on and Huffington to get the REAL truth
> from!

You're too fucking stupid to bear any longer. Into the Bozo filter for
30 days.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 3:15 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:30:47 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
wrote:

>
>"Deucalion" <someone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>news:daseg5l4hk36rb1fl60at2776m6o2lerug@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:09:22 -0800, Hawke
>> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Deucalion wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TMT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video
>>>>>> Thu Nov 19, 3:36 pm ET
>>>>>>
>>>>> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't something
>>>>> trivial like forging official Government documents, that would have
>>>>> been OK.
>>>>
>>>> A lie is a lie and accountability is accountability.
>>>
>>>
>>>All this does is add more proof that Fox is not a legitimate news
>>>outlet. It's opinion and propaganda. It's the media arm of the
>>>republican party. Everything that comes on that network has a goal to
>>>it, tear down the Democratic party and Democrats in general and do
>>>everything it can to get republicans elected to public office. The only
>>>thing that bothers me about what they do is the lying. If they would
>>>just admit what they are doing it would be okay. But they have to
>>>pretend they are not pro republican. But what do you expect from an
>>>outfit filled with conservatives? Lying is a way of life for them so
>>>that is what they give us.
>>
>> I don't watch FOX news or any of it's programming because I see it a
>> crude propaganda. There are some people who think that WWF wrestling
>> is the real deal too though. Even crude propaganda works on some
>> people. Some of them even post here.
>
>Thank God you have Kos, Move-on and Huffington to get the REAL truth from!

ROFLMAO!!

Point, set and match!!

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 3:17 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:33:14 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
wrote:

>
>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:30ce89b7-0570-4848-bd18-725f1b2cf5ba@e7g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>On Nov 20, 2:09 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>> Deucalion wrote:
>> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0500, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:a1b451ca-593d-425d-9789-fafdaf427667@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>>
>> >>> The Conservative Circus Clowns continue on......
>>
>> >>> TMT
>>
>> >>> Fox News again accused of airing misleading video
>> >>> Thu Nov 19, 3:36 pm ET
>>
>> >> OH NO!!! NOT "MISLEADING VIDEOS"!!! To bad for FOX is wasn't something
>> >> trivial like forging official Government documents, that would have
>> >> been OK.
>>
>> > A lie is a lie and accountability is accountability.
>>
>> All this does is add more proof that Fox is not a legitimate news
>> outlet. It's opinion and propaganda. It's the media arm of the
>> republican party. Everything that comes on that network has a goal to
>> it, tear down the Democratic party and Democrats in general and do
>> everything it can to get republicans elected to public office. The only
>> thing that bothers me about what they do is the lying. If they would
>> just admit what they are doing it would be okay. But they have to
>> pretend they are not pro republican. But what do you expect from an
>> outfit filled with conservatives? Lying is a way of life for them so
>> that is what they give us.
>>
>> Hawke- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>If they admitted their bias, I suspect their license would be pulled.
>
>If they keep doing it, it just might be.
>
>TMT
>********************
>
>Liberals would like nothing more than to disband ANY voice against their
>agenda. And, they would do anything to achieve those ends. The end
>justifies the means for them.

As Im sure you all remember..the Leftards tried to reinvoke the Fairness
Doctrine recently.

However..when it was brought to their attention that ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN
would also be required to have Conservtives on the air..I suspect they
pulled back so fast they got whiplash.

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

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TOPIC: Palin book - "There are elements of truth underlying a narrative that
is completely false."
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:38 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:29:42 -0800, Beryl <fourl@road.net> wrote:

> ... real estate agent's childhood love of cows."

Isn't that illegal?

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TOPIC: Even the Canadians think Obama is a joke
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 4:27 am
From: Jessica Wabbit

On Nov 21, 12:00 am, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:47:00 -0800, Gunner Asch
>
> <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> >Even the Canadians think BO is a joke…
>
> >By Howard Galganov
>
> >Montreal, Quebec, Canada
>
> Does this mean that you now hold the opinions of Canadians in high
> esteem? Next thing we know, you will be telling us that you worry
> about what the French think.

LOL, clueless Gummby has no fucking idea what Canadians think. Not
surprising, he has trouble figuring out is own country.

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TOPIC: Gone Rogue >>OR<< Palin/Coulter in 2012
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 4:54 am
From: Mitchell Holman

Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
news:4b06ae43$0$6720$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
>> news:4b05f054$0$6707$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>>
>>> Yup wrote:
>>>> On Nov 19, 6:34 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-
n-
>>>> dog.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because she quit her last elected office to make
>>>>>>>> money instead is no reason to think she would quit her
>>>>>>>> next elected office to go make money, no?
>>>>>>> I heard she has a hard time talking about her book since she quit
>>>>>>> reading it halfway through...
>>>>>> Good joke.
>>>>>> Gunner
>>>>> She probably knew how it ends....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> same way it begins - with lies ...
>>> Lies about her by the press.....
>>>
>>> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>>>
>>>
>>> Kick ass conservative women.
>>>
>>> If they were Libertarians it would be a dream Date.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Palin Coulter in 2012*
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah yes.
>>
>> Coulter.
>>
>> Who thinks women should not vote, but
>> who votes herself.
>>
>> Where do you guys find these people?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "It would be a much better country if women did
>> not vote. That is simply a fact".
>> Ann Coulter, May 17, 2003.
>>
>> "I think women should be armed but should not vote"
>> Ann Coulter, February 26, 2001.
>>
>>
>> Ann Coulter is Under Investigation for Vote Fraud
>> February 8, 2009
>> One of the country's most outspoken conservative
>> commentators, Ann Coulter, may have committed
>> vote fraud. Records and lawsuits show that Coulter
>> voted in Connecticut while living in New York.
>> http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/8902
>>
>>
>>
>>
> She is funny isn't she....

As in "funny in the head", as insanity
was politely referred to.......

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TOPIC: Bombs in our elementary school
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 5:04 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Nov 20, 7:42 pm, Rich Grise <richgr...@example.net> wrote:

>
> Why homework? If a teacher can't teach a day's lessons in a day, then you
> need to find competent teachers!
>
> Cheers!
> Rich

This really does not deserve an answer. But I will answer anyway.

I can teach everything you need to know about welding in one day. But
you need to actually practice welding in order to become proficient.

Same thing is true of Math and English. You need to actually
practice doing math and writing. The practice can be done without a
teacher. So if the kids do the practice at home, the teacher can
teach more during the day.

Dan

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From: Priyanka Mehta

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