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TOPIC: Water jet cutting
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 25 2010 11:36 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:02:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:

>"Paul K. Dickman" <pkdickman@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:hjij4j017fj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>
>> "Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:4b5cbaae$0$31278$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kirk Gordon" <kg1@gordon-eng2.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4B5C9CAC.50605@gordon-eng2.com...
>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>> Awl --
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter is a neat article on
>>>>> water jets, showing 5 axis cutting.
>>>>>
>>>>> But they comment that water jet cutting can be done with water alone,
>>>>> *without abrasive*, achieving much finer cuts. Abrasive cuts vary from
>>>>> .020 to .050, while non-abrasive cuts vary from .003 (!!) to .013.
>>>>>
>>>>> When is non-abrasive cutting used? Often?
>>>>> I would imagine it would be for thin and/or soft material.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the thickest material that can be cut with abrasives+water?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, let's see...
>>>>
>>>> The granite under Niagara falls is 250 feet high, and it gets worn
>>>> away by something like a foot per year.
>>>
>>> 1 foot per year? Heh, I think at that rate, over geologic time, we'd be
>>> down to china by now.
>>> Mebbe a fraction of an inch per year?
>>> Don't forget, the water is falling *into water*, which is essentially
>>> coating the granite. The only thing eroding after the pools build up any
>>> depth is the flowing water itself, which is proly .001" per year, on
>>> solid granite.
>>>
>>> But the overall point is legit. Sheeit, wind can erode stuff....
>>> --
>>> EA
>>
>> The 1ft/year rate is how fast the edge of the falls move up river, not how
>> deep it cuts the channel.
>>
>> It used to be a lot faster but we reduced the flow,
>> What is the Future of the Falls?
>>
>> a.. The Falls will continue to erode, however, the rate has been greatly
>> reduced due to flow control and diversion for hydro-power generation.
>> b.. Recession for at least the last 560 years has been estimated at 1-1.5
>> m/yr.
>> c.. Its current rate of erosion is estimated at 1 foot per year and could
>> possibly be reduced to 1 foot per 10 years.
>> d.. The current rate of recession is unclear; assessing its value remains
>> the responsibility of the International Joint Commission. The
>> International Boundary Waters Treaty stipulates the minimum amount of flow
>> over the falls during daytime, nightime and the tourist season.
>> http://www.niagaraparks.com/media/geology-facts-figures.html
>
>Well, here's a Q:
>
>If the waterfall is being eroded back so quickly, how are the turbines able
>to still catch the water? Are they being moved back, to keep up?

Blink blink...ooookay.~ Good question!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 2:49 am
From: "Grumpy"

Snip
>
> Which reminds me:
>
> Every 6 or 8 weeks we get to shovel cubic yards of garnet and metal powder
> out of the bottom of our Flow waterjet.
>
> Anybody know of a system for removing this?
>
> Any ideas for something useful to do with cubic yards of fine red sand
> with finer junk in it?
>
> David

What about one of those swimming pool cleaning units that used to flap
arount the bottom of a swimming pool and collect all the dirt from it? They
moved around in a random fashon, and eventually covered all the bottom of
the pool. The water from it could be settled andreturned after filtering for
re-use

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 3:01 am
From: "David R.Birch"

Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
> Wonder if the local concrete company or blacktop company would buy it
> or something like that. Might be a place to get them come and get it.
>
> Martin

It's worth a try, but probably not enough volume to make it worthwhile.

David

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:02 am
From: "Existential Angst"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:or6tl5prurq43vd2bghubt54bl8pvpf4vt@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:02:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"Paul K. Dickman" <pkdickman@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>news:hjij4j017fj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>
>>> "Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4b5cbaae$0$31278$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kirk Gordon" <kg1@gordon-eng2.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4B5C9CAC.50605@gordon-eng2.com...
>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>>> Awl --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter is a neat article on
>>>>>> water jets, showing 5 axis cutting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they comment that water jet cutting can be done with water alone,
>>>>>> *without abrasive*, achieving much finer cuts. Abrasive cuts vary
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> .020 to .050, while non-abrasive cuts vary from .003 (!!) to .013.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When is non-abrasive cutting used? Often?
>>>>>> I would imagine it would be for thin and/or soft material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the thickest material that can be cut with abrasives+water?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, let's see...
>>>>>
>>>>> The granite under Niagara falls is 250 feet high, and it gets worn
>>>>> away by something like a foot per year.
>>>>
>>>> 1 foot per year? Heh, I think at that rate, over geologic time, we'd
>>>> be
>>>> down to china by now.
>>>> Mebbe a fraction of an inch per year?
>>>> Don't forget, the water is falling *into water*, which is essentially
>>>> coating the granite. The only thing eroding after the pools build up
>>>> any
>>>> depth is the flowing water itself, which is proly .001" per year, on
>>>> solid granite.
>>>>
>>>> But the overall point is legit. Sheeit, wind can erode stuff....
>>>> --
>>>> EA
>>>
>>> The 1ft/year rate is how fast the edge of the falls move up river, not
>>> how
>>> deep it cuts the channel.
>>>
>>> It used to be a lot faster but we reduced the flow,
>>> What is the Future of the Falls?
>>>
>>> a.. The Falls will continue to erode, however, the rate has been
>>> greatly
>>> reduced due to flow control and diversion for hydro-power generation.
>>> b.. Recession for at least the last 560 years has been estimated at
>>> 1-1.5
>>> m/yr.
>>> c.. Its current rate of erosion is estimated at 1 foot per year and
>>> could
>>> possibly be reduced to 1 foot per 10 years.
>>> d.. The current rate of recession is unclear; assessing its value
>>> remains
>>> the responsibility of the International Joint Commission. The
>>> International Boundary Waters Treaty stipulates the minimum amount of
>>> flow
>>> over the falls during daytime, nightime and the tourist season.
>>> http://www.niagaraparks.com/media/geology-facts-figures.html
>>
>>Well, here's a Q:
>>
>>If the waterfall is being eroded back so quickly, how are the turbines
>>able
>>to still catch the water? Are they being moved back, to keep up?
>
>
> Blink blink...ooookay.~ Good question!

Proly there are horizontal "catch tubes" for the turbine water? That mebbe
already go back a cupla hundred feet into the upper river.
But, as the erosion continues, those horizontal lengths become less and less
supported.....
We should be able to see those horizontal catch tubes in google maps.
Inybody got a zip code??
--
EA

>
>

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:36 am
From: "Paul K. Dickman"

"Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b5ee7ed$0$22510$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> "Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> news:or6tl5prurq43vd2bghubt54bl8pvpf4vt@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:02:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <pkdickman@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>news:hjij4j017fj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b5cbaae$0$31278$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kirk Gordon" <kg1@gordon-eng2.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4B5C9CAC.50605@gordon-eng2.com...
>>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>>>> Awl --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter is a neat article on
>>>>>>> water jets, showing 5 axis cutting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But they comment that water jet cutting can be done with water
>>>>>>> alone,
>>>>>>> *without abrasive*, achieving much finer cuts. Abrasive cuts vary
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> .020 to .050, while non-abrasive cuts vary from .003 (!!) to .013.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When is non-abrasive cutting used? Often?
>>>>>>> I would imagine it would be for thin and/or soft material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's the thickest material that can be cut with abrasives+water?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, let's see...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The granite under Niagara falls is 250 feet high, and it gets worn
>>>>>> away by something like a foot per year.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 foot per year? Heh, I think at that rate, over geologic time, we'd
>>>>> be
>>>>> down to china by now.
>>>>> Mebbe a fraction of an inch per year?
>>>>> Don't forget, the water is falling *into water*, which is essentially
>>>>> coating the granite. The only thing eroding after the pools build up
>>>>> any
>>>>> depth is the flowing water itself, which is proly .001" per year, on
>>>>> solid granite.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the overall point is legit. Sheeit, wind can erode stuff....
>>>>> --
>>>>> EA
>>>>
>>>> The 1ft/year rate is how fast the edge of the falls move up river, not
>>>> how
>>>> deep it cuts the channel.
>>>>
>>>> It used to be a lot faster but we reduced the flow,
>>>> What is the Future of the Falls?
>>>>
>>>> a.. The Falls will continue to erode, however, the rate has been
>>>> greatly
>>>> reduced due to flow control and diversion for hydro-power generation.
>>>> b.. Recession for at least the last 560 years has been estimated at
>>>> 1-1.5
>>>> m/yr.
>>>> c.. Its current rate of erosion is estimated at 1 foot per year and
>>>> could
>>>> possibly be reduced to 1 foot per 10 years.
>>>> d.. The current rate of recession is unclear; assessing its value
>>>> remains
>>>> the responsibility of the International Joint Commission. The
>>>> International Boundary Waters Treaty stipulates the minimum amount of
>>>> flow
>>>> over the falls during daytime, nightime and the tourist season.
>>>> http://www.niagaraparks.com/media/geology-facts-figures.html
>>>
>>>Well, here's a Q:
>>>
>>>If the waterfall is being eroded back so quickly, how are the turbines
>>>able
>>>to still catch the water? Are they being moved back, to keep up?
>>
>>
>> Blink blink...ooookay.~ Good question!
>
> Proly there are horizontal "catch tubes" for the turbine water? That
> mebbe already go back a cupla hundred feet into the upper river.
> But, as the erosion continues, those horizontal lengths become less and
> less supported.....
> We should be able to see those horizontal catch tubes in google maps.
> Inybody got a zip code??
> --
> EA
>

Most of the water is diverted to ponds about 3-4 miles upstream.

Paul K. Dickman

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:42 am
From: "Existential Angst"

"Paul K. Dickman" <pkdickman@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:hjmum101jts@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> "Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4b5ee7ed$0$22510$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> "Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>> news:or6tl5prurq43vd2bghubt54bl8pvpf4vt@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:02:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>>> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <pkdickman@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:hjij4j017fj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4b5cbaae$0$31278$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kirk Gordon" <kg1@gordon-eng2.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4B5C9CAC.50605@gordon-eng2.com...
>>>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>>>>> Awl --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter is a neat article on
>>>>>>>> water jets, showing 5 axis cutting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But they comment that water jet cutting can be done with water
>>>>>>>> alone,
>>>>>>>> *without abrasive*, achieving much finer cuts. Abrasive cuts vary
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> .020 to .050, while non-abrasive cuts vary from .003 (!!) to .013.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When is non-abrasive cutting used? Often?
>>>>>>>> I would imagine it would be for thin and/or soft material.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's the thickest material that can be cut with abrasives+water?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, let's see...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The granite under Niagara falls is 250 feet high, and it gets
>>>>>>> worn
>>>>>>> away by something like a foot per year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 foot per year? Heh, I think at that rate, over geologic time, we'd
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> down to china by now.
>>>>>> Mebbe a fraction of an inch per year?
>>>>>> Don't forget, the water is falling *into water*, which is essentially
>>>>>> coating the granite. The only thing eroding after the pools build up
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> depth is the flowing water itself, which is proly .001" per year, on
>>>>>> solid granite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the overall point is legit. Sheeit, wind can erode stuff....
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> EA
>>>>>
>>>>> The 1ft/year rate is how fast the edge of the falls move up river, not
>>>>> how
>>>>> deep it cuts the channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> It used to be a lot faster but we reduced the flow,
>>>>> What is the Future of the Falls?
>>>>>
>>>>> a.. The Falls will continue to erode, however, the rate has been
>>>>> greatly
>>>>> reduced due to flow control and diversion for hydro-power generation.
>>>>> b.. Recession for at least the last 560 years has been estimated at
>>>>> 1-1.5
>>>>> m/yr.
>>>>> c.. Its current rate of erosion is estimated at 1 foot per year and
>>>>> could
>>>>> possibly be reduced to 1 foot per 10 years.
>>>>> d.. The current rate of recession is unclear; assessing its value
>>>>> remains
>>>>> the responsibility of the International Joint Commission. The
>>>>> International Boundary Waters Treaty stipulates the minimum amount of
>>>>> flow
>>>>> over the falls during daytime, nightime and the tourist season.
>>>>> http://www.niagaraparks.com/media/geology-facts-figures.html
>>>>
>>>>Well, here's a Q:
>>>>
>>>>If the waterfall is being eroded back so quickly, how are the turbines
>>>>able
>>>>to still catch the water? Are they being moved back, to keep up?
>>>
>>>
>>> Blink blink...ooookay.~ Good question!
>>
>> Proly there are horizontal "catch tubes" for the turbine water? That
>> mebbe already go back a cupla hundred feet into the upper river.
>> But, as the erosion continues, those horizontal lengths become less and
>> less supported.....
>> We should be able to see those horizontal catch tubes in google maps.
>> Inybody got a zip code??
>> --
>> EA
>>
>
> Most of the water is diverted to ponds about 3-4 miles upstream.

Oh, yeah, saw sumpn about that on History.... really quite an engineering
feat.
Here ahm thinkin effing paddlewheels at the base of the falls..... :)

Still, that erosion rate is incredible. Who'da thunk?
--
EA

>
> Paul K. Dickman
>
>
>

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:56 am
From: danmitch

Gunner Asch wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:02:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>>Well, here's a Q:
>>
>>If the waterfall is being eroded back so quickly, how are the turbines able
>>to still catch the water? Are they being moved back, to keep up?
>
>
>
> Blink blink...ooookay.~ Good question!
>
>
The turbines (powerhouse) are not AT the falls, they are downstream in
the gorge. They work on the difference in water height between the
upstream and downstream side of the falls ... just like if a dam were
present. The water to the powerhouse is diverted from the river a
considerable distance upstream (above the falls), and brought to the
powerhouse via a canal. From the canal at the top of the gorge, the
water is then dropped to the turbines at the bottom via the usual
penstocks (large tubes).

Variations of this are used in most waterfall-related power stations.
Tthe falls themselves are usually not involved in the power generation
at all.

Dan Mitchell
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TOPIC: Why we love Bush
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 12:17 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:12:49 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarnrod@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jan 25, 10:01 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:03:34 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 25, 6:50 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> >> "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:831bce35-966b-4eba-8136-baea924a4da7@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Jan 25, 6:03 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> >> >> Many liberals got jealous and started flailing their wrists around when
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> learned that Bush is so incredibly awesome, able to read upside-down
>> >> >> books
>> >> >> to schoolchildren.
>> >> >> 0bama, on the other hand, is unable to read his teleprompter in a
>> >> >> childrens
>> >> >> classroom, even while right-side-up! The big zero.
>>
>> >>http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100119/480/9131bc77c75...
>>
>> >> > Here's what he was like when he was holding his penis while
>> >> > talking to the kids after the remarks, kook:
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/yl9ncvx
>>
>> >> Why was he holding his penis?
>>
>> >Why do conservaloons always fantasize about the black man's penis? How
>> >stereotypical of you.
>>
>> Why do far left wing extremists always claim such and such is
>> fantasizing when a Conserative asks a simple question?
>
>BWAHAHAAAHAHAAAA!!! Too fuckin' funny, dope!!!
>
>Are you habo weading? Yofri bove broit' up. Yoys
>AYS dink ut blackn's dics. Itzing. Ano bltly
>obvis s gur disienuodena

Sorry..you will have to take that dick out of your mouth. Im afraid I
cant understand you.

But go ahead..finish the dude up and swallow every last drop.

Ill wait.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: Statistics for week ending 20100125
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 2:02 am
From: Wes

cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:

>top of the bottom list with less than five posts...

OMG, I beat Cliff this week. I've been home sick a few days.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 2:13 am
From: Wes

Pete Keillor <keillorp135@chartermi.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:06:19 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>Pete Keillor <keillorp135@chartermi.net> wrote:

>
>Actually, it went pretty quick, not over 20 min. or so. I posted the
>pics back when, let's see...
>
>http://metalworking.com/dropbox/_2001_retired_files/My1stproj-5CNoseAdapter.JPG
>http://metalworking.com/dropbox/_2001_retired_files/My1stproj-5CComplete.JPG
>
Looks good. How did you attach your handle to the tubing?

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 4:28 am
From: Pete Keillor

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:13:37 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:

>Pete Keillor <keillorp135@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:06:19 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Pete Keillor <keillorp135@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Actually, it went pretty quick, not over 20 min. or so. I posted the
>>pics back when, let's see...
>>
>>http://metalworking.com/dropbox/_2001_retired_files/My1stproj-5CNoseAdapter.JPG
>>http://metalworking.com/dropbox/_2001_retired_files/My1stproj-5CComplete.JPG
>>
>Looks good. How did you attach your handle to the tubing?
>
>Wes

I threaded it, then used loctite.

Pete

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 2:19 am
From: Wes

Ignoramus29432 <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-01-25, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>For retired people, a million goes a long way, in addition to Social
>>>Security income and with the residence paid off.
>>
>> And not having payments for an expensive SUV or some other luxury car. We have to live
>> inside our means.
>>
>> I have no sympathy for someone with his and hers snowmobiles, a custom trailer, the suv
>> that bitch that they can't save for the future. It seems we are being groomed to be a
>> nation of consumers.
>
>I have a custom trailer too.
>
> http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Homemade-Trailer-With-M105A2-Bed/
>
>Otherwise I agree with you.
>
>i

You got that with a bit of money, using your wits, and sweat equity.

Mine is store bought be it avoids my having to have a truck.

http://wess.freeshell.org/usenet/rec.crafts.metalworking/trailerload.jpg

Wes

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:06 am
From: Ignoramus22882

On 2010-01-26, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus29432 <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-01-25, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>For retired people, a million goes a long way, in addition to Social
>>>>Security income and with the residence paid off.
>>>
>>> And not having payments for an expensive SUV or some other luxury car. We have to live
>>> inside our means.
>>>
>>> I have no sympathy for someone with his and hers snowmobiles, a custom trailer, the suv
>>> that bitch that they can't save for the future. It seems we are being groomed to be a
>>> nation of consumers.
>>
>>I have a custom trailer too.
>>
>> http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Homemade-Trailer-With-M105A2-Bed/
>>
>>Otherwise I agree with you.
>>
>>i
>
> You got that with a bit of money, using your wits, and sweat equity.
>
> Mine is store bought be it avoids my having to have a truck.
>
> http://wess.freeshell.org/usenet/rec.crafts.metalworking/trailerload.jpg
>

Wes, did you tow your bridgeport with a car??????

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:16 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Jan 26, 1:24 am, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
Some of the less
> > perceptive insurance companies were publishing studies showing
> > that to be on the safe side, the typical couple should have about
> > 1,000,000$ in savings when they retired. Just how is it possible
> > that the typical couple could accumulate 20 years of pre tax
> > income over even a 50 year working life? [20-70] especially with
> > *NEGATIVE* savings interest?
>
> In that situation you have to do what they guy in the TV show Breaking
> Bad does. You go into the meth business in your spare time. Other than
> that there is no way to save yourself into financial security on 50K a year.
>
> Hawke

Actually you can save enough to have financial security on 50K$ a
year. It just requires that you start saving and investing early in
life. I don't think you can do it putting your money in a savings
account. But you can do it by having some money put in a savings
account every week. And then when you have a chunk of money, looking
for a good place to invest it. Right now I would be looking at buying
rental property and investing some sweat equity in managing the rental
property. Might be a bad idea in some parts of the country. But there
are lots of places to invest.

Dan

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TOPIC: OT Democracy in America Is a Useful Fiction
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:07 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Of course, it's a fiction. The USA is a constitutional
Republic.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"William Wixon" <wwixon@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:LPn7n.9365$Yt6.7601@newsfe23.iad...

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TOPIC: OT-Nevada explores dropping medicaid
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:15 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

About a decade ago, I had health insurance. I live in NYS.
Then, Gov. Cuomo and the legislature mandated universal
coverage. So, the insurance cost went way up, as I was now
subsidizing all the people who were super high risk. Now, a
decade or so later, the only insurance is either super
expensive, or government run. Which is what Hillary! and her
type wanted in the first place, government run health care.

Agreed, the reliance on government is ruining the country.
And the government has it set up that way.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Bob Engelhardt" <bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in
message news:hjk8j5015q0@news6.newsguy.com...
Good! People need to be more self reliant. And use family
when they
need help. This reliance on government is ruining this
country.

And hospitals should stop accepting people who can't pay!
That just
promotes the same somebody-take-care-of-me. This country
was built on
people taking care of themselves!

</SARCASM>

Bob

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:35 am
From: "Joe AutoDrill"

>> i'd be afraid to go to africa.
>
> I know an Aussie doctor working in Ethiopia right now. I don't know the
> name of the organization he signed up with, but they provide him with a
> bodyguard and advised him to never leave his hotel at night, and never
> without his bodyguard. He describes the situation as desperately poor.
> He's treated people that walked several days to see him. But the locals
> he's helping, treat him like a rock star. He's a hell of a guy, comes from
> a well to do family. His father has a national reputation in Oz and he
> could make big bucks as a specialist. But he prefers to work in rural
> areas and help those in need. I admire him greatly for what he's doing,
> but often worry for his safety. He is btw, the doctor that got my wife
> through aplastic anemia.

There are many places where your safety is a serious concern all over the
world. Africa has some serious hot spots for sure... However Ghana, being
a mostly Christian and English speaking nation was unique for us. Except
for the children and poor constantly asking for assistance to better their
lives and the occasional drunk, there were no dangers to us from the people
directly. In fact, it is said that if a person starts giving another a
problem, the crowd will come to the aid of the harassed.

We went out into the poorest sections of the capital city of Accra in the
nighttime hours and found the people to be a bit more westernized at that
hour, but seriously humble and friendly.
--

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
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V8013-R

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TOPIC: Laser guide for press brake in DropBox
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:36 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Do you have pictures of the dies you made for the press brake option
> you made for the press? ...

I was going to do a small write up, but that might not happen, so
here's a couple of pix that I posted before - gives you an idea.

http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhardt/brake1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhardt/brake2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhardt/PressDie.jpg

Basically, I used what I had around.

Spaco has a web page of his adaptation.

Bob

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TOPIC: Metalworking is Heart Healthy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:45 am
From: "Existential Angst"

"azotic" <azotic@cox.net> wrote in message
news:sSs7n.3235$1m3.1478@newsfe11.iad...
> Forget that usless exercise equiptment, a lathe offers greater
> satisfaction.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/F-J-Barnes-No-4-1-2-Velocipede-Pedal-Lathe_W0QQitemZ200432328805QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2eaab2a065

Could put a motor on it, or, for the same 10c kWhr or so, hire Jon Banquer
to pedal it -- mebbe 12c kWhr, if he promises to keep his mouth shut.

$995 seems a bit steep tho.
--
EA

>
> Best Regards
> Tom.
>

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TOPIC: Universal carbide bit?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:50 am
From: "Existential Angst"

Awl --

I'm thinking of a drill that could drill holes in metal doorbucks that are
also lined with concrete.
Is there perhaps a way to sharpen/grind a masonry bit so that it could
also get through 16 ga steel, mebbe some wood?

Iny other ideas on drilling concrete-filled doorbucks?

--
EA

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:29 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

"Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> fired this volley in
news:4b5ef31d$0$31272$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> I'm thinking of a drill that could drill holes in metal doorbucks that
> are also lined with concrete.
> Is there perhaps a way to sharpen/grind a masonry bit so that it
> could
> also get through 16 ga steel, mebbe some wood?

Of course you can, but why not just take some care with a common twist
drill, and not drill too far past the buck? Use a stop if you're not good
at stopping it by hand.

It'll take a lot less work to tweak the edge on a HSS bit after you buzz
it a little on concrete, than it will to put the proper edge on a masonry
bit, which still won't cut all that well in steel. An as-ground masonry
bit will go through wood just fine, although its flutes will load up
fast.

LLoyd

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TOPIC: Taper pin vs split pin
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 5:55 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

Ed Huntress wrote:
...
> To get the big picture, you have to consider four kinds of pins. ...

Thanks - nice explanation. (Your writing background coming to the
benefit of RCM'ers once again <G>.)

The background for my question as this: I had made slip rolls and
fastened the handle to the roll with a taper pin. My reasoning was that
I could get a better fit than _I_ could with a straight pin & avoid
wallowing out from a loose fit. But a split/spring/roll pin would have
been so much easier. Not nearly as good, I see now.

Thanks to all,
Bob

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:36 am
From: "Existential Angst"

Awl --

Man, decent ones seem to wanna break the bank, HF stuff is unusable....
They have a blue 99c caster, very nice initially, until the soft wheels
distort into g-d triangles.....

Iny places that will sell small quan of decent stuff at decent prices?

I will eventually be buying larger Qs -- would a larger wholesale/oem house
give me wholesale prices for "prototype Qs", toward the end of a larger
order? Yeah, always beggin...
--
EA

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TOPIC: Trijicon
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 6:43 am
From: robert bowman

editor@netpath.net wrote:

> For all the "Christian proselytizing" crap, it's ironic that JEWISH
> Israel uses the Trijicon ACOG scopes heavily in their military - and
> isn't bothered by it.

iirc, there were photos of Israeli schoolkids painting religious and other
slogans on missiles that were Lebanon bound. Maybe painting 'Jesus loves
you' on the drones would be a good idea.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:01 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

robert bowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in news:7s8dcjFvfdU1
@mid.individual.net:

> editor@netpath.net wrote:
>
>> For all the "Christian proselytizing" crap, it's ironic that JEWISH
>> Israel uses the Trijicon ACOG scopes heavily in their military - and
>> isn't bothered by it.
>
> iirc, there were photos of Israeli schoolkids painting religious and other
> slogans on missiles that were Lebanon bound. Maybe painting 'Jesus loves
> you' on the drones would be a good idea.
>
>

Umm, are you people really this historically challenged?

Soldiers have been painting slogans on thier shields, swords, muskets, half
tracks, trucks, wagons, tanks, aircraft, bombs, torpedoes, rockets, missiles,
artillery shells, machine guns, helmets, etc as long as there have been
soldiers.

Get a grip people.

--
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.

"Hide the Decline"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

31,486 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhDs, don't agree the
science is settled.
http://www.petitionproject.org/

What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response

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TOPIC: Transformer for spot-welder buildup
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:02 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

IanM wrote:
>Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>> I made my spotwelder from MOT's ... See it here:
>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MOTSpotwelderPrintable.pdf

> The design can be considerably simplified. If you use a U shaped single
> turn winding that fully fills the core, you will get the maximum
> current output possible from that transformer. Just slide extra
> transformers onto the open end of the U until the desired open circuit
> voltage is reached. The secondaries are effectively in series ...

Good idea. In the highly unlikely event that I ever build another one,
I'll do it that way. In building mine, the 2nd MOT was added only after
the 1st was finished & proved inadequate alone, not that I would have
thought of using conjoined cores anyhow <G>.

> This removes the need for complicated machining and also reduces the
> loss due to circulating currents caused by mis-matched OC voltages which
> is almost inevitable if the secondaries are paralleled and the
> transformers aren't *IDENTICAL*.

I wouldn't say the machining was complicated, but it would have been
easier your way. I suspect that the effect of the core mis-match is
secondary & not a problem on my welder.

> ...
> the shiny black taped cable in the second to last picture
> in the PDF which in my opinion should be a lot thicker. ...

Actually a "liquid tape" coating, but I quibble. I'd have used a
thicker cable if I'd had one. A central theme of mine is using what I
have in my box.

> I dont like the use of paint for insulation with the current capability
> it has. I strongly recommend lacquered card or similar all round the
> secondary where it passes through the cores and heatshrink, self
> amalgamating tape or similar over the rest of it. For safety, its
> probably a good idea to fully insulate *BOTH* arms from the base and
> pressure mechanism so that you dont get unexpected current paths through
> your workbench etc. if there is a little dirt under one tip.

Overkill, in my opinion. There is not much of a safety issue here.

> I would also be inclined to split the ends of the aluminium arms and add
> clamping bolts either side of each hole for the copper contacts.

I don't think that a press fit is any more likely to loosen.

> Why not add an adjustable over centre toggle mechanism with a strong
> return spring that trips a microswitch when it reaches its limit and is
> operated by a bowden cable from a foot pedal? Think mole grips or
> ratchet crimper for the sort of action required. That would give single
> pedal operation for clamping and welding. You would adjust contact
> pressure with the lockout switch OFF.

Much too complicated. Also, I've found the need to adjust the position
after the contacts are closed (the pressure is such that the work can be
slid around).

> I think a low voltage (chosen to suit the OC voltage) torch bulb wired
> across the arms near the tips (its insulated wiring can run back along
> the arms to any convenient location) would add a useful indicator as it
> will light brightly if the unit is energised with the tips not in
> contact and while actually welding its brightness will vary inversely
> with the welding current.

I don't think it would add anything: the welder isn't energized until
the tips are in contact & there's nothing to adjust about the welding
current. I.e., what good is knowing its intensity?

--------

But the bottom line, as they say, is that mine works. I'll never need
to weld stock more than 1/8" thick, so more power is irrelevant. As is
efficiency, for the little use mine gets. It could have been simpler,
but it wasn't that complicated to start.

Bob

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