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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 9:50 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:26:13 -0500, Poetic Justice
<Poetic-Justice@Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:

>On 2/10/2010 6:02 AM, Cliff wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:30:23 -0500, Poetic Justice
>> <PoeticJustice@talk-n-dog...com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/9/2010 5:05 PM, Burled Frau wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>> news:ngr2n5p32ufo8kafacnakkkdbn7tsjfvug@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:54:19 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:19:00 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:04:35 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
>>>>>>>> meltdown?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah..she's just fucking hilarious!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree completely
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/ig/Sarah-Palin-Pictures/Palin-Hi-Mom-Hand-Note.0zq0.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How stupid.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cliff
>>>>
>>>> What's so stupid about it, TMT has it written on both of his hands.
>>>
>>>
>>> Obama's so stupid he had to have his name tattooed inside his eye lids...
>>>
>>
>> Palin's a learner.
>> She had that "debate" with O'Biden ....
>
> *MUST MEAN SHE DOESN'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO*
>
>
>Good`old BarJoe O'Biden.

Nor a pet rock from an elephant.

She has well proven herself to be a liar & a cheater.
Plus pretty dumb & ignorant.
And proud of it to boot.
If only she had guns she'd make a nearly-perfect winger, right?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:11 pm
From: Hawke

>>>>> But Bush was just the opening act, now in the center ring of this
>>>>> circus
>>>>> is the real Dog and Pony show. You just have to love the stupidity of
>>>>> the corpsman gaff.... Finally a real pro to watch.
>>>>
>>>> I've got news for you, that wasn't a gaffe. He was dead serious.
>>> ..
>>> He screws up one word, bush,jr screws up thousands of words,
>>> sentences, and our country....and that's OK with you!
>>>
>>> Your bigotry wears thin.
>>>
>>
>> Bush is still President? I thought you said your guy would surely beat
>> him this time. Looks like 0bama is a big loser. Bwahahahaha! I knew
>> Bush would win!
> .
> .
> He will be if he doesn't start playing hardball and steamrollering
> Republicans.
>
> Trying to be nice to the current crop of Republicans is like pissing
> into the wind
>
>
I guess everyone has forgotten Obama is a "Chicago politician". You hear
about Chicago politics all the time and how rough and cut throat it is,
and then people say Obama is too nice to play hardball. You can forget
about that. Obama's style is what they call an iron hand in a velvet
glove. Obama is nice. But he's going to get his way. Sooner or later.
Right now he's making plans with Reid and Pelosi to pass health care
over the objections of the republicans. He's going to go the
reconciliation route and pass health care reform no matter what. So just
keep your eyes open and watch what Obama does. He'll be real nice and
real diplomatic but in the end he's going to get what he set out to do
done. He's so much tougher and smarter than any republican out there
that he's going to come out on top in the end. Mark it down. It's going
to happen. Much to the dismay of the right wing knuckle draggers around
here.

One other thing, you'll never hear Obama mispronounce the word corpsman
again. Unlike Bush he learns from his mistakes, and fast, really fast.

Hawke

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:21 pm
From: Hawke

>> .
>> Nothing deliberate about it at all.
>>
>> It's the actions of a person who is not qualified to be the president of
>> the Wasilla elementary school PTA.
>>
>> Sarah for president! God's gift to the Democrats!
>>
>>
>
> Can you say "President Sarah Palin"?
>
>
> You may need to practice.

Why, because you actually think she has an ice cube's chance in hell of
getting elected president? If you really believe that you should stay
out of the prognostication game. Statistics just came out today saying
that only 52% of republicans thought Palin was qualified to be president
and her overall support is only 17%. With numbers that low it's dead
certain she has no shot at the White House. Got any other foolhardy
predictions we can make fun of?

Hawke

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TOPIC: WellPoint customers see premiums rise by 38%
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5f84fae9e36cb8ed?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 9:59 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 11, 4:31 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> http://www.indystar.com/article/20100211/BUSINESS03/2110419/Hoosiers-...
> [
> Hoosiers livid over insurance increases
> As in California, some WellPoint customers see premiums rise by 38%
> ]
> [
> ....
> Les Strickland, a self-employed bread distributor from Indianapolis, says he
> received notice that premiums for his Anthem policy will jump 33 percent as of
> March 1. Lou Herchenroeder, a pastor in Westfield, said he just absorbed a 31
> percent increase for family coverage through a WellPoint Lumenos high-deductible
> plan.
>
> The increases in Indiana came to light after WellPoint -- the nation's largest
> commercial insurer in terms of membership -- encountered criticism this week
> from President Barack Obama and California regulators for increasing premiums on
> individual health insurance plans by as much as 39 percent in California.
>
> The hefty hikes also come after Obama's health-care reform legislation has
> stalled in Congress, deepening a rift between the administration and the
> insurance industry and sparking renewed calls by Obama and others for action.
> ....
> ]

And the Party of No wants the current health care system to continue
without change.

Why aren't they volunteering to pay your double digit increases?

TMT

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TOPIC: Vise jaws, soft vs. hard
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8a9ccf4f27f46d73?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:04 pm
From: "Steve Lusardi"

There are applications for both. I make aluminum jaw covers and use them most of the time.
Steve

"Ignoramus5688" <ignoramus5688@NOSPAM.5688.invalid> wrote in message news:68idneNQcZSuQOnWnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>I had a big discussion with my friend today concerning jaws in regular
> metalworking bench vises. I was arguing that soft jaws are more useful
> than hardened jaws. My point is that vise jaws are for holding parts,
> not for damaging parts. A soft jaw would mold around the part and hold
> it, instead of deforming the part. My friend, though, does not think
> so.
>
> While I am sure that one could find applications for both sorts of
> jaws, I would like to know if you think that hardened jaws or soft
> jaws are a more practical choice for a general purpose vise.
>
> i

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:13 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Ignoramus5688" <ignoramus5688@NOSPAM.5688.invalid> wrote in message
news:68idneNQcZSuQOnWnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>I had a big discussion with my friend today concerning jaws in regular
> metalworking bench vises. I was arguing that soft jaws are more useful
> than hardened jaws. My point is that vise jaws are for holding parts,
> not for damaging parts. A soft jaw would mold around the part and hold
> it, instead of deforming the part. My friend, though, does not think
> so.
>
> While I am sure that one could find applications for both sorts of
> jaws, I would like to know if you think that hardened jaws or soft
> jaws are a more practical choice for a general purpose vise.
>
> i

Soft jaws generally won't prevent deforming parts. What they will do, if
used right, is minimize the damage to the *finish* of a part.

Most of us have hard jaws in our vices and homemade soft covers that you can
slip over them when needed. Mine are 3/16"-thick pieces of 1100 aluminum. I
have some lead shoes that just go over the jaws, home made from lead sheet
(which was also home made, by pouring molten lead on a piece of steel plate
that had been well smoked with a torch). And I have plastic, leather, and
rubber scraps under the bench for use on the vise jaws when needed.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:05 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:qNSdnWTm7JCaR-nWnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:Db6dnY73_8CuT-nWnZ2dnUVZ_r1i4p2d@earthlink.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> There's some serious questioning going on about the premises of the
>>>> free-market model, but we went through that in the '30s, too. So I
>>>> don't make too much of it. But I had a feeling about reaching this
>>>> moment in history 'way back in the early '70s. I was covering
>>>> automation and computers were just starting to get involved. It looked
>>>> then like we wouldn't need a lot of people in the future. My thoughts
>>>> then were that we would simply shorten the work week, like France was
>>>> doing at the time. But capital doesn't like to be spread around. <g>
>>>>
>>> Welcome to the 21st Century
>>
>> Well, yeah, I have a calendar, but it doesn't tell me what's going to
>> happen to our economy. d8-)
>>
>
>
> Ed, I can appreciate that.
>
> But can you appreciate how much you position had changed in the last year?
>
> You were a true believer.
> A true optimist.
> You had faith in "the system".
> It was all going to be - okay.
>
> I loved you for that.
> It gave me hope.
>
> But now here we are...
>
> The inmates have taken over the asylum,
> and here we are...

Richard, I couldn't begin to explain my thoughts on economics, work, and
policy in 1,000 messages here. I do indeed believe that everything is going
to be Ok. My concern about jobs goes back 35 years -- it's a concern with
the economic system, not with the long-term well-being of the country. I saw
a train wreck ahead with saturating markets, low-cost Asian manufacturing,
large gains in productivity, and our growing dependency on big, historic
technological breakthroughs to give employment and the economy as a whole a
periodic boost.

It's just never looked sustainable to me. But those breakthroughs kept
coming, and they've dominated economic growth during our adult lifetimes.
Now the breakthroughs have slowed down and we've become dependent on
bubbles.

What's next? A denouement of sorts: a recognition that the chain of
breakthrough technologies isn't enough to sustain adequate growth under our
present model, and a further recognition that bubbles are chimeras that do
more harm than good.

Our economy is based on private consumption, and it is far and away the most
mature, and saturated, such economy in history. I don't think the
traditional growth models apply to it very well. Between replacement (think
agriculture and underwear <g>), and the growth that comes from continuous
improvement (cars, PCs, cameras), my gut feeling is that we can produce no
more than 3% growth per year. Possibly even less. Anything over that is
direct and indirect effects of big technological developments (mass
production of steel; the railroad; the automobile; civilian air transport;
microelectronics; personal computers -- all in the past tense -- and
possibly energy breakthroughs in the future tense) or bubbles. Again, the
former cannot be counted on, even if they occasionally apply a positive
punctuation to the basic economic model.

Without a shot at sustainable 4+% growth, we'll have a hell of a time
digging out of future recessions. So I see some changes coming in the
operating model. Don't ask me what they are; I don't have a clue. I can
hypothesize some things but they're just guesses.

As for why I think things will be Ok -- eventually -- we have the means to
produce a very nice standard of living. Recessions don't change that. Other
highly developed countries are headed for a worse funk than we are. At some
point we'll do a new Bretton Woods and come up with a sustainable model. We
all have the means.

We aren't going to commit suicide, and our productive capacity, housing
stock, transportation and communication are not going to disappear. So
there's good reason to be optimistic. We do need to adjust to slower growth,
and we need to make sure that all growth accrues to the well being of the
large majority of citizens.

--
Ed Huntress

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:57 pm
From: cavelamb

Well dam, ed.

You had me worried there for a moment...

(VBG)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:01 pm
From: cavelamb

I guess the problem that I have is that you are a rational man.
I just don't see that in the political mess.

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TOPIC: Sheldon Lathe
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Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:06 pm
From: Bob AZ

On Feb 11, 9:13�pm, "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionsl...@consolidated.net>
wrote:
> I found mine - a TLWQ 10406 way number or serial number.
> I would think or hope that the uk site would have a key.
> An option key for the way and model numbers.
> Martin
>
Martin

From the searching I have done it is apparent that I will have to take
a better look at the Nameplate and the Way number. Two of us were
looking at the numbers and letters so I thought we had all correct.
But apparently not.

Is there a chart or the like that cross references the numbers and
letters? The lathe looks just like many of the pictures I have found
on the web. Also someone mentioned that Sheldon would do a custom job
if asked. So I will just have to be patient and do more research.

The lathe I have is real dirty and grimy. It is partially
disassembled. We are cleaning and soaking lots of parts. The motor is
an underdrive type and too dirty to touch. 1/2HP and large enough to
be a 5HP if it was todays vintage. Originally 110V but I will change
it to 220V. The wiring is terrible but I can handle it. Replace it
all. Switch is up behind the tailstock. This will get moved to a safer
location.

The stand is the drawer type. 5 drawers with a coolant tray. The base
or feet are the tubular type. Right side flat on the floor. Leftside
curves up to the left. You probably know what I mean. And all is
dirty.

Thanks for the input
Bob AZ

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TOPIC: heat exchangers
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:15 pm
From: oldjag

On Feb 10, 6:04 pm, David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
> I'm sure I've seen heat exchangers on small engine
> exhausts; the idea being to recover the generator's
> waste heat while running things in the house.
>
> It may have been on a RV generator, but I don't recall.
> Does this ring a bell with anyone here?
>
> --
> A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8...@nrk.com
> & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
> Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
> is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

I have not seen them for small, ie less than ~50 Hp, but exhaust to
water exchangers are common for exhaust heat recovery on larger
engines. One thing you might want to watch if making one, is that the
water vapor in the exhaust will condense, and it will be corrosive due
to sulfur content in the fuel. Hence the unit should be made of
stainless or something else that won't corrode. A simple shell and
tube unit would be easy to fabricate from some tubing. Be sure and
have a T & P valve or relief valve in case water circulation is lost.

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TOPIC: Miss me yet?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:20 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:13:05 -0600, Ignoramus5688
<ignoramus5688@NOSPAM.5688.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-02-12, F George McDuffee <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:20:53 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
>>>This country really needs another Kennedy or Reagan.
>> A major problem is that the leader and the times must match.
>>
>> Kennedy was the right [enough] leader for his times as Reagan was
>> for his. It is doubtful that either one would have anywhere the
>
>A professor in my business school once said, regarding corporate
>leaders, that charismatic leaders usually get their businesses in a
>lot of trouble.
>
>I thought about this statement for a long time and believe it to be a
>good generalization.
>
>i
============
This is indeed a generalization with some large amount of truth,
however...

To be sure a charismatic leader, corporate or political, can and
frequently have lead [or driven] the lemmings over the cliff,
however, depending on the organizational problems and structure,
a charismatic leader may be just what is needed *IN THE SHORT-
TERM* from the perspective of the organization.

It is worth noting that if you can't/don't get through the
short-term, there is no need to worry about the long-term.

The major problem of charismatic leadership is generally the
choice/succession/legitimecy of a new leader, compounded by the
frequent failure of the charismatic leader to know when it is
time to quit.

One example of the right charismatic person, in the right place,
at the right time, was Lee Iacocca at Chrysler.

In hindsight, serious question can be raised about the aggregate
socital/economic benefit of Mr. Iacocco's [charismatic]
leadership in revitalizing Chrysler, in that it may have well
been better [or at least much cheaper/less disruptive] to have
the Chrysler corporation go bankrupt and be liquidated in 1979,
thus reducing excess [obsolete] domestic vehicle production
capacity and serving as a warning/example to GM and Ford as well
as Wall Street and the individual stock/bond traders/speculators.

This may have been what your professor was talking about.

A 1979 bankruptcy would also have avoided having large numbers of
additional people attempting to establish design, engineering,
manufacturing, sales, marketing, etc. careers at Chrysler and
their suppliers. The pensions and other retirement benefits of
these now stranded and redundant employees have been severely
reduced by the deferred Chrysler bankruptcy in May, 2009, and
much of the existing liability has potentially been transferred
to the U.S. taxpayers through the PBGC guarantees.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/195551
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/business/01auto.html
http://www.pbgc.gov/media/news-archive/news-releases/2009/pr09-23.html

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:40 pm
From: Hawke

>>> We create less wealth than we distribute. What's wrong with that?
>>> Who's going to change that inertia?
>> Not the republicans, that's for sure. But how come you guys all keep
>> thinking that the disaster the Bush/Cheney regime caused would be all
>> fixed in a year? You act like Obama can't do anything worth a darn
>
> Buerste acts like that??? It's 0bama that acts like that, and he's
> the one that counts.
>
>> but
>> you're all upset that he hasn't got the country to where it's going
>> great again. If you actually know how bad a mess that Bush got the
>> country in how can you expect anyone to have it back where it should be
>> in only 12 months? I guess you must have a lot more belief in Obama than
>> I do. He will get things fixed eventually unless the republicans stop
>> everything. In that case nothing will ever get better. Vote for them if
>> you like things just like they are now, no worse.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Things will right themselves eventually. Sooner if 0bama stays out of
> the way.

I suppose things would have fixed themselves when the financial industry
was collapsing too. If we would have just let the banks fail and the
auto industry too everything would have worked out in the end anyway,
right? Where do you get such goofy ideas? The only reason things are
starting to turn around is because of what Obama has done. If he hadn't
acted like he did we would be so much worse off than we are now. But
you're the type that would say a drunk getting in his car would be okay
too. Things would work out in the end. Yeah, sure they would. You sound
like you were born yesterday.

Hawke

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TOPIC: Lathe chuck spindle attachment
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:38 pm
From: "Steve Lusardi"

Michael,
I have done this many years ago and I am passing the lesson on to you. I learned the hard way. Most hobbyists must limit
themselves to one lathe for space reasons as well as one milling machine. It is imperative to buy that lathe and that milling
machine as capable as possible. Today I have many machines, but that is an unaffordable luxury for most. In my experience of
almost 50 years, the size I use for 90%+ of all my lathe work is the 13 x 40. This size machine has the power and stiffness to
easily use cutoff blades without experiencing chatter, smaller machines really suffer there. This size machine also has the
stiffness to use carbide without difficulty, where as smaller machines favor HSS tooling because tool drag is much less. You will
be tempted to buy Chinese, they are good value for money, but typically they are 9 speed machines or less and that is NOT enough.
Never choose a machine that does not have spindle speeds below 90 RPM. Lower speeds are far more valuable than higher speeds. This
is especially true if you should be fortunate enough to locate a gap bed machine. Although in my experience, I do not generally
need that extra swing, but it does happen from time to time. Additionally, the 13 x 40 machine will be equipped with cooling and
the very good machines may have a spindle clutch and brake, which is very handy when doing setups and threading operations. As
far as the required footprint, if you can allocate a 6' x 2.5' space, you are golden.
Steve

"Michael Koblic" <mkoblic@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hl2caj0t3p@news7.newsguy.com...
>
> "Steve Lusardi" <stevenospam@lusardi.de> wrote in message news:hkuphv$ac1$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>> Michael,
>> I would advise against this machine. It really is not big enough, heavy enough and has serious other restrictions, like the
>> number of threads, no taper attachment and perhaps other tooling, which is usually included in a used machine. For pretty much
>> the same size footprint, you should be able to locate a 13 x 40 machine in a tooled condition.
>
> Really? I thought a 13X40 would be much longer than 47". They do 12X26 at double the price but that one has issues, too...
>
> --
> Michael Koblic,
> Campbell River, BC

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:31 pm
From: "Michael Koblic"

"Jim Wilkins" <kb1dal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:36eac24b-78fc-4f65-bbcb-a23e154da72b@t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

> You can make a better adapter plate than you can buy because you can
> fit it as carefully as you want to the exact sizes of the spindle
> flange and chuck back recess.
>
> If you measured the diameters of the spindle flanges on the production
> line I suspect you'd see them increase continuously as the tool wore,
> then jump back to the minimum when it was replaced. An adapter plate
> to fit them would have to be at the large end of the tolerance in
> order to fit all lathes, and a sloppy fit on most, while you can make
> one exactly the right size for yours.

Ah, I was under the impression that they are all made oversize for the final
turning down on each particular machine. At least that is what the LMS
adapters are.
>
> Look at lathe chucks in the MSC catalog and you'll see separate back
> plates for the common mounting styles. You fit the plate to the
> spindle, then shape it into a flange that fits snugly into the recess
> on the back of the chuck.
> http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1784923&PMT4NO=0

This is kind of my point: There are 297 adapters listed in that section.
Which one do you pick for this machine? Personally I would prefer to get one
that at least somewhat matches the spindle than have to make the whole thing
from scratch. With a known common type such as "10 inch 3-jaw with a A1-6
mount" I know what everyone is talking about. The one adapter you linked
would clearly not fit this machine. I looked at all 297 and could not decide
which one would.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

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TOPIC: How many layers of oil paint
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 10:53 pm
From: cavelamb

Richard J Kinch wrote:
> cavelamb writes:
>
>> The stuff that sets epoxy in motion is called "hardener".
>
> Yes, or "curing agent". The curing action is catalytic polymerization,
> which converts the resin to a thermoset material. Hence "catalyst" is an
> appropriate term for what an epoxy hardener is in principle.

Maybe.
But we maintain the myth that there is a difference.

Viva la difference!

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: Gene Haas on American Chopper
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:08 pm
From: "Existential Angst"

Awl --

FWIW..... "Stewart Haas Racing Bike" episode. Before or after jail??

Paul Teutul Sr. is lookin skinny, haggard, yo. The show seems a lot tamer
than a few seasons ago.... haven't seen it for a number of seasons, due to
nausea....

Teutul & Haas -- gotta be one hand washing the other, since all of Teutul's
machines are haas. Figgers....

Big effing shop, tho. Teutul also has a big-ass steel warehouse/structural
fabricating deal out back, that you rarely get to see.

He's not that far from me, I keep meaning to drive up there and egg all his
property.....

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 323
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/92e19f4cef16be55?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:19 pm
From: "Steve R."

"Rob H." <rhvp65@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hl0ojg0u00@news4.newsguy.com...
>I need some help identifying two of the items in this set:
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> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
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> Rob

1849 could be a safety valve from a very old industrial pressure cooker.
These have no spring.

Steve R.

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TOPIC: Palin's Unfavorability Ratings At All-Time High
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/444787d3bca9ddfe?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:51 pm
From: Cliff

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/02/11/sarah-palin%E2%80%99s-unfavorability-ratings-at-all-time-high/
"Sarah Palin's Unfavorability Ratings At All-Time High"

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TOPIC: Has Surfware Lost All Their Dealers In California?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f39b0ccec111187b?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 12:00 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:00:24 -0800 (PST), cncmillgil <milgil@cin.net> wrote:

>On Feb 11, 4:16 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:45:57 -0800 (PST), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >WTF doesn't anyone understand about : You can't do business in
>> >Calefonia. (Arnold). They are bankrupt dumbasses, now waiting for the
>> >Fed's to bail them out.
>>
>> CA is about average,
>> About half the states are in worse shape.
>>
>> Praise be to bushco & the rethugs !
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Well ya, Its a direct reflection on exactly the way the Fed is. Spend.
>spend spend - tax tax tax - hit the business owners(wealthy fat cats)
>drive'm out so they "hide" their money, or leave the country. That
>creates a lot of jobs! If its ok for the Government its ok for us?
>Ahhhhhhhhhh I dont think so.

Why don't you tell us which programs to eliminate & who to put out of work.

>Always liked saying this about slick Willie & Monica " If its good
>enough for the President its good enough for me"<g>

The rethugs are for corporate welfare.
Gummer can die for all they care.
After all, he bought guns, ammo & toys instead of health care ...
then had about 3 heart attacaks & at least one stroke. All
paid for by taxpayers and those that did buy $$ "insurance".
Plus he has all those unpaid back taxes ...

>Not sure if any other state is worse financial collapse the
>Calefonacation. Will you take an IOU?
>I've heard Texas is doing fine? Why?
> bushco? an "oil man" as president, & we had the highest oil prices
>ever? Its not making sense?

Better profits for big oil.

>Thats the trouble with sense, its not to common.

You do remember Enron & Kenny Boy, right?
And SureShot choosing himself as VP to run things while
herr shrubbie vacationed ...

And all those "WMDs" (yet to be found) ... and other big lies ...
such as "free money" ....

How is trickle-down working?
You pay total taxes at a higher rate ...

>Up here is no longer the land of Lincoln, its land of corruption!
>And where is Obama from? & where are his top advisors from?
>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

The Land of Lincoln?

>Oh well, back on topic, poor Surfware....................... It was a
>good software back in the "day" That SOB could lay a 3D toolpath on
>quicker the shit! Those Point Control writers were smart puppies.
>I think they came from Cimatron<g>

Probably APT in the background, eh?

>
>Opps wait a min, I think I've got Surfscam & Smartscam reversed!
>Hate when that happens.
--
Cliff

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