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TOPIC: Shock Absorbers (Dampers), again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/06dd45b7e61ac2e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:32 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Feb 5, 11:03 am, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
> A 120 pound gate, 18 feet long and 3 feet high, hinged at one of the
> lower corners and supported by a damper that is pivoted to the top corner
> and working at a 45 degree angle, puts a 510 pound load on the damper
> _just_ to keep the gate still -- decelerating the gate takes even more
> load, to the tune of 1700 pounds if you want to close the gate in one
> second (that's assuming constant deceleration over 45 degrees in 1/2
> second).
>
> (I decided I didn't want to close it that fast).
>
> Anyone who suggested a fire-door damper -- where can I find one that'll
> support a ton?
>
> --www.wescottdesign.com

The damper on the forklift-sized fire door I was thinking of doesn't
support any weight at all, the hinges do that.

If this gate is statically balanced the only energy the dampener has
to absorb came from the person shutting it.

jsw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:35 am
From: "Denis G."

On Feb 5, 10:03 am, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
> A 120 pound gate, 18 feet long and 3 feet high, hinged at one of the
> lower corners and supported by a damper that is pivoted to the top corner
> and working at a 45 degree angle, puts a 510 pound load on the damper
> _just_ to keep the gate still -- decelerating the gate takes even more
> load, to the tune of 1700 pounds if you want to close the gate in one
> second (that's assuming constant deceleration over 45 degrees in 1/2
> second).
>
> (I decided I didn't want to close it that fast).
>
> Anyone who suggested a fire-door damper -- where can I find one that'll
> support a ton?
>
> --www.wescottdesign.com

I've seen cantilevered scissor gates with a supporting swivel caster
at the opening edge. Maybe adding a caster would provide enough drag
to prevent damage from slamming the gate. It would also lessen the
load on the pivot hinges.

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TOPIC: Notice anything about this picture?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/935a7d770778ec9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:34 am
From: "Wild_Bill"

It looks like the press will collapse the cab roof when it tips forward.

I couldn't tell what the item under the lathe bed was, it looked a little
like a blurry head.

--
WB
.........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html

"Ignoramus25542" <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote in message
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> http://i.ss.lv/images/2009-12-14/170744/VnoJG0xhRlg=/facilities-the-tool-and-the-equipment-metalworking-equipment-5.800.jpg

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TOPIC: From another group
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e0d421976878f5ac?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:36 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:48:51 -0500, the infamous Wes
<clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:

>RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>>
>>Rick wrote:
>>> found in sci.electronics.design..quite a shop...
>>>
>>> http://www.users.uswest.net/~kmaxon/index.html
>
>
>>That's a bit insane!
>
>His website design? It hurt my eyes.

The color clashes and hard-to-read text are bad enough, but if
anything -more- flashes, I'm gonna throw up.

--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw

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TOPIC: OT - Turkeys Voting for Christmas -- was The Lancet's Vaccine
Retraction -- A medical journal's role in the autism scare
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f7da32a69e030efa?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:36 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 5, 8:20 am, Joe <see_real_...@sig.lin> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:22:16 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Considering that we have MILLIONS of cars out there RIGHT NOW on the
> >roads that can become a deadly missile AT ANY TIME I think the warning
> >was warranted.
>
> >If any of us have family members killed by this defect, their opinons
> >will change.
>
> >TMT
>
> Last year I ws thinking that the Michael Jackson death/funeral story
> was going to be the most tedious, repetitious news item ever. Turns
> out that the Toyota recall has eclipsed it by leaps & bounds. It's the
> leading story everywhere, with Chicken Littles flopping around all
> over the country.
>
> "Educated" people can sit around all day and skillfully field a "dream
> team" for their favorite sport using reliable game stats, then track
> the putative performance of said team throughout the season.
> Unfortunately, the same people are woefully unable to grasp the
> concept/odds of a few dozens of failures out of millions of vehicles.
> Science and logical thinking is anathema in this country nowadays.
>
> When I hear reports of people rejecting Toyotas because of the bad
> press, I can't help but wonder how many of these mutha-, err, folks
> think nothing of pulling out their cell phones and yammering away as
> they drive in blissful solitude. A 3 ton missile controlled by a very
> defective "logic module".
>
> Toyota needs to fix the problems, and the US needs to get on with real
> issues.
>
> Joe

The reason is the Toyota problem has killed and will kill again.

It can kill you and your family at time...even if you do not own a
Toyota.

If you do not understand that, your family should kick you in the
pants for your total lack of regard for their welfare.

Jackson's story was the typical celebrity story that Americans
love...remember the buzz around Elvis?

TMT

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:38 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 5, 9:06 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:40:56 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>
>
>
>
>
> <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
> >wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:55:11 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
> >> <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
> >>> wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>
> >>>> I saw one exec claim that there were something like 8 confirmed
> >>>> defective parts (pedal pivots dragging or sticking) out of 2
> >>>> million.
>
> >>> The Toyota brand has killed or injured more people in the last
> >>> decade wih this defect than every other maunfacturer combined.
>
> >> That seems highly unlikely. Got any cites?
>
> >NPR here in LA had an hour on this last week.
>
> >SHAPIRO: What, specifically, is the committee looking at here?
>
> >LANGFITT: Well, they're asking for lots of documents. And what they've said,
> >is they want to know when Toyota and the National Highway Traffic Safety
> >Administration first learned about these potential safety problems and what
> >they did to investigate and try to resolve them. Now the committee said this
> >in a statement, I'm kind of quoting here, our government figures show nearly
> >twice as many people died in Toyotas from sudden acceleration problems in
> >the last decade than in cars from all other automakers combined. So thats
> >another thing theyre really very interested in, is the number and the volume
> >and how many of those are Toyotas.
>
> >http://www.npr.mobi/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123098947.
>
> Well, there you go. The guy said he was "kind of quoting", and I can't
> find anything to back up his recollection. The link I posted shows
> that before the most recent round of publicity, Toyota was at 41% of
> the U.A. (unintended acceleration) complaints, which is more than
> double their market share. Except that obviously the complaint stats
> are based on relatively small numbers of mostly unverifiable and
> highly subjective owner reports, which appear to be instantly and
> hugely affected by negative news stories. In fact, the number jumped
> to 48% in just a few months after reports about the cop who forgot
> that his shifter had a neutral position, and that one ought to know
> how to shut off a vehicle before starting it up. Death rates could be
> different from complaint rates, but at least one other article I
> remember reading claimed that there weren't any official unintended
> acceleration death numbers for any manufacturer other than Toyota. Yet
> this articlehttp://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?id=101983says: "It
> reported the NHTSA said its records show that a total of 15 people
> died in crashes related to possible sudden acceleration in Toyota
> vehicles from the 2002 model year and newer, compared with 11 such
> deaths in vehicles made by all other automakers". Notice the qualifier
> "possible", which reflects the fact that in a lot of these cases,
> especially those of potential electronic or software anomalies, it
> might be impossible for anyone to know for sure which accidents were
> truly due to U.A. It would only take a few erroneous anecdotal
> accident reports to skew the figures.
>
> Anyway, thanks to all the hysteria, six months down the road Toyota's
> complaint numbers will be substantially worse even though the cars
> haven't really changed a bit. Death numbers will probably increase as
> well because drivers will have a handy and socially plausible
> scapegoat. and cops will be more likely to take their word for it.
> Drivers of all makes will consider it more acceptable than ever to
> skip learning how to stop their car in an emergency. And five years
> from now when the dust settles but we're still paying off about a
> billion spent on addressing the hysteria, we could well be looking
> back at the whole thing as the automotive equivalent of Y2K.
>
> Now, just for fun, let's say that there are 30 million Toyotas built
> in the last decade and still on the road in the US, and for the sake
> of argument only, that 20 owners really did die in them from U.A. That
> would mean that if one drove a Toyota for a decade, his odds of being
> killed in it due to U.A. are 1 in 1.5 million, or about half as likely
> as dying from dog bite.http://funny2.com/odds.htmTherefore, if the
> US share of Toyota's costs is 1 billion, and we think that's a good
> investment, then we ought to be spending 2 billion to prevent dog
> bites. :-)
>
> Wayne- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It is now coming out that Toyota has been killing the majority of the
complaints coming in...

TMT

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:39 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 5, 9:15 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:43:49 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >It is now reported that Ford has the same problems.
>
> Every manufacturer has always had the same "problem". There will
> always be defects, and some of them will get blown out of proportion
> by people who should have learned from the Audi fiasco. You in
> particular should know better. I bet you didn't enjoy the phony
> narrative about the GOP being tough on national security, and neither
> did you think much of the people who fell for it. So why fall into the
> same trap with this new one? Here's a simple fact: a lot of lives and
> money could be saved if people would take minimal responsibility for
> learning more about a lot of things, including how better to operate a
> motor vehicle. Compared to that, all the machinations that will come
> of the latest fear mongering will save next to nothing. For example,
> imagine if the *billions* that are about to go down the drain mostly
> to counter negative publicity, was spent instead on say, improving the
> traction of galoshes. :-)
>
> Wayne

Go read the latest news...Ford has the same problem.

Wanna bet that all the manufacturers have their engineers working on
their systems to make damn sure they don't have the problem?

TMT

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:45 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 5, 9:56 am, Frnak McKenney
<fr...@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote:
> XMetal-Content: accelerator pedal, cable, wrecked Toyota
>
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:27:40 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
> --- Now chopped completely out of context: --
>
> > You sound more concerned about making money than for the safety of
> > my family on the road with the Toyota death traps.
>
> This statement bothers me because, if you expand "money" to
> "deriving benefit", this statement would seem to apply to all
> concerned: Toyota, the USDOT, and the media. Heck, _I'm_ getting
> another three seconds of fame (from my fifteen minutes) simply by
> joining in the discussion.
>
> I admit that I'm not the CEO of an automobile company -- and so far
> no-one has offered to pay me to play one on TV -- but if I were, and
> my first concern was the safety of my customers (I suspect that
> being killed in a Toyota significantly reduces the chances that that
> particular customer will purchase another any time soon), wouldn't I
> have taken some sort of preventative measures as soon as it became
> clear that this was a problem?
>
> I know that if I were a Toyota owner I'd want to know as early as
> possible (a) if I were likely to be affected, (b) warning signs so
> I could avoid the problem before it occurred, and (c) what to do if
> the problem occurred anyway.
>
> (It's entirely possible that some group already _has_ issued some
> straightforward "If you see this, here's what you do" advice, and I
> just haven't noticed it. If that's the case, then please feel free
> to ignore this little rant and skip ahead to the next-in-thread.)
>
> I'm not talking about a massive recall. That might or might not
> have been appropriate early on, depending on what Toyota knew about
> the problem and when. I'm thinking of a simple letter --
> illustrated with Charts'n'Diagrams -- describing:
>
> o What kind of problem has been reported in general terms, just
> so people don't start worrying when they see (e.g.) a rust spot
> on the fender.
> o What models are (might be) affected.
> o Specific symptoms that precede an actual failure, or how to test
> whether or not a given car is "close to failure". In this
> case, perhaps something along the lines of "With the engine
> OFF, quickly press your accelerator pedal all the way to the
> floor (Figure A), and then quickly release it (Figure B). A
> properly functioning accelerator pedal will immediately return
> to its rest position (Figure C); if this does not occur, please
> call our 800 support number immediately: 800-xxx-xxxx"
> o Include a paragraph clarifying what should and should not be
> done in a Toyota (or those specific Toyota models) if the pedal
> sticks, whether as a result of this problem or any other reason
> (including the customer failing to ever have the accelerator
> cable greased bucause he/she/it skipped their 5,000-through-
> 50,000 mile service visits).
> o Finally, let the owners know that Toyota is about to provide
> a fix through its distributors, and recommend that the owner
> register their car model, s/n, and any information they care to
> provide via the internet or the above 800-number.
>
> Mailing such a letter -- and having the information broadcast
> through the USDOT, state xxDOTs, and the media -- would (hopefully)
> have two effects:
>
> 1) Demonstrate Toyota's concern with its customers (useful in any
> possible upcoming lawsuits), and
> 2) Decrease the number of persons killed or injured.
>
> And yet, I don't see Toyota doing this. I don't see the USDOT doing
> it. And I don't see the "investigative journalists" in the media
> doing it. I've seen a number of suggestions here and elsewhere, but
> a Toyota-engineering-issued recommendation for appropriate actions
> could settle all sorts of critical issues that we on the sidelines
> debate with a lot more time at our disposal than a Toyota driver
> with a stuck accelerator pedal would have:
>
> o Shift gears? Or Not?
> o Turn the ignition off? Or not? (the "locking" problem, power for
> steering)
> o Use the brakes? Or not?
>
> Of course, making up things like this is a lot easier for me. I
> don't have to worry about millions of customers, multiple thousands
> of stockholders, or the image of my administraton. But the
> discussions of the details of the problem and the debates about its
> workarounds -- in the media and elsewhere -- would likely result in
> an increased awareness of what can go wrong with an automobile, and
> what one could, should, and shouldn't do if it did.
>
> And _that_ should please many (most?) of those following this
> newsgroup. <grin!>
>
> I think it's time for another mug of tea.
>
> Frank McKenney
> --
> The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt or
> a leaky tire.
> --
> Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
> Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
> Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all)

Good comments.

I agree that more info needs to be presented to the user.

That will not happen...unless forced.

The more the company admits to the problem, the larger the economic
hit due to lawsuits.

So companies hide the bad news until it blows up in their face.

The other problem is even if the info is out there, few people pay
attention and will respond properly during an unexpected event.

When you are dealing with a multi thousand pound missile driven by the
typical driver, the last problems you want are unexpected acceleration
or lack of deceleration.

TMT

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:01 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Feb 5, 10:56 am, Frnak McKenney
<fr...@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote:
> X...
> o Specific symptoms that precede an actual failure, or how to test
> whether or not a given car is "close to failure". In this
> case, perhaps something along the lines of "With the engine
> OFF, quickly press your accelerator pedal all the way to the
> floor (Figure A), and then quickly release it (Figure B). A
> properly functioning accelerator pedal will immediately return
> to its rest position (Figure C); if this does not occur, please
> call our 800 support number immediately: 800-xxx-xxxx"
> ...
> Frank McKenney

I've written test procedures for use by production floor personnel a
few times, and you can't imagine how badly some of them can
misinterpret simple instructions.

"Press any key to continue" is a good example. I had to add a check of
the BIOS memory that shows the CTRL, ALT and SHIFT key states to make
it work. For wise@$$ engineers I made those keys simulate the BSOD
briefly.

jsw

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:03 am
From: Eregon

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f9f41766-b6bd-4488-
b9f4-21c1e3cc4447@f11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

> You might want to include Ronnie Regan in that too.
>
> His ignorance killed many Americans in regards to AIDS.
>
> Several of them were my friends who were hemophiliacs.

The best thing to do with hemophiliacs is to let them bleed to death
_before_ they pass along that genetic defect.

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TOPIC: South Bend New Products in Grizzly Catalog Includes a SB 4x6 Bandsaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c396e7ad33ab5f5e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:43 am
From: "Wild_Bill"

There are a lot of SB products in the Grizzly catalog, including some which
look a lot like some familiar/common Chinese products, only different.

The price isn't shown for the SB 4x6 bandsaw, noting that it will be
available in March.

--
WB
.........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html

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TOPIC: Learn How To Lose Weight Effectively
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/256d16e0a7af271d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:50 am
From: nabeel1988

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TOPIC: hi temp zip tie
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6681ce4cb9ca953d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:51 am
From: Jim Stewart

Karl Townsend wrote:
> I'm still thinking on how to mount a temp sensor to a solar hot water
> heater. I plan to put the sensor wire inside a 1/2" flexible copper pipe and
> bring it along side the hot exit water pipe on the solar heater. Need to
> attach this to withstand a small hurricane (hopefully) and the hot Florida
> sun. Plan "A" was just electrical zip ties for both sensor and copper
> conduit. Will these take the heat? Got a better idea?
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#1760k77/=5oipt5

Aircraft safety wire, 8 turns per inch.

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TOPIC: See It at Your Own Risk..!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/084888409b057db6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:51 am
From: nabeel1988

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TOPIC: The Best Collection of Automobiles Ever...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/486223dc6402cebd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 9:51 am
From: nabeel1988

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You can see the latest luxorious vehicles here and can survey the
prices of various Automobile.
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TOPIC: Trijicon
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8210cfe1feffd9c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:08 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote in
news:Xns9D161140DBF43Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142:

> "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in news:hkfbd0$4dc$1@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>>
>> "RM v2.0" <Blah@spamsux.com> wrote in message
>> news:%RFan.218618$IU1.214990@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hkd1v4$sn3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "RM v2.0" <Blah@spamsux.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ohnan.219326$FK3.89983@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ALL of these gods now demand their own verses too !!!
>>>>>>> http://www.godfinder.org/
>>>>>>> Plus all the rest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What part of separation of churchs & state was unclear?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is that in the Constitution? Putting verses on a scope is
>>>>> not passing a law.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> The government owns those rifles and issued them to our soldiers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, where is a law being passed? Govt prints and hands out money
>>> too.
>>>
>> .
>> .
>> The Christian slogan "In God we trust" doesn't belong there either.
>>
>> Religious fundamentalists got it put on our money.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then i expect you to forgo all US money or be a hypocrite.
>

In God We Trust is not on all US money but I admit it is on enough to be
well worth while. ;)

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

Some points to ponder:
Why is it good if a vacuum cleaner really sucks?
Why is the third hand on a clock called the "second hand"?
Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Why do we sing "Take me out to the ballgame" when we are already
there?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:44 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:28:34 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote:

> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
> message news:4b6c33c8$0$22838$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>> On 2/5/2010 5:22 AM, Cliff wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:03:47 -0600, "RM v2.0" <Blah@spamsux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> ALL of these gods now demand their own verses too !!!
>>>>>> http://www.godfinder.org/
>>>>>> Plus all the rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What part of separation of church & state was unclear?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Where is that in the Constitution? Putting verses on a scope is not
>>>> passing
>>>> a law.
>>>
>>> Are you planning on applyng for US Citizenship anytime?
>>
>> The *GOVERNMENT OWNS BUILDINGS WITH VERSES ON THEM* ....THE GOVERNMENT
>> HAS *BOOKS AND DOCUMENTS* WITH VERSES ON THEM.
>>
>> OH my What will we do???????????????????
> .
> .
> Get rid of the religious crap on government buildings.

That's the right choice but a further waste of money. Let's just stop
putting superstition on buildings and money in the future.

--
Regards, Curly
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The Bible: Slavery good. Gays bad. Snakes talk.
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TOPIC: Obama's Train Wreck of a Town Hall in Ohio
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b25aa221089ce47f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:12 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:09:51 -0800, Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net>
wrote:

> Three guesses what you are.
>
> Hawke

He's a nym-shifting troll.

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TOPIC: centrifugal switches, *very* little online re DIY or "how tomake'em"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9038400f3ec0b95c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:13 am
From: "Pete C."

dave wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > A recent post on sci.enrg.joining.welding showed a very simple one.
>
> link please?
>
> I've been unsucessful finding a post like you describe. there -Was- one
> there recently discussing centrifugal GOVERNOR designs...not what I'm
> looking for...
>
> thanks though :-/ pete

"Lee Governor question - P1010005.JPG (0/1)" is the post in question,
and yes, it *is* a switch.

How you wire the contacts determines whether it acts as a governor,
limit switch, "up to speed" switch, etc. Functionally it is nothing more
than a set of contacts that open when an adjustable RPM set point is
reached.

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TOPIC: Home of the Free, the Brave and the Gay
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e498f6bd3200ff6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:37 am
From: WangoTango

In article <Xns9D16641758969hopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The
Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> says...
> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.25d529c77a07b30bfb7
> @news.bytemine.net:
>
> > In article <Xns9D1590CC9BE1Fhopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The
> > Sandman)" says...
> >>
> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.25d400b64cea72b7fb0
> >> @news.bytemine.net:
> >>
> >> > In article <b7a5d4f6-1ca1-4167-bfc1-
> >> > 5c83d77af1dc@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, too_many_tools@yahoo.com
> >> > says...
> >> >> Both homo and hetrosexuality are normal...check the science.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Last time I checked a hetrosexual couple can reporduce by having
> sex..
> >> > A homosexual couple cannot..
> >> >
> >> > Do you think it normal a species would evolve in such a manner as to
> >> not
> >> > be able to reproduce itself ?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Be careful there, Tank. Many species indulge in homosexual behaviour.
> >> Not for procreation of course, but they do indulge.
> >
> > Pleasure wasn't the issue..
> > Furthering the species is.
> >
> > I can care less what people do for fun but don't try to convince me
> it's
> > "normal"
> >
>
> Go back to what I said. I said many species indulge in homosexual
> behaviour. Now, humans are just one of those species.
>
> Besides, what is considered "normal" depends on your viewpoint and
> experiences. Since homosexuality is really a rather small sector of the
> human species and is ingrained in most of those individuals, I have no
> problem with it. I also have no interest in it other than fairness.

You see that's the problem with a phobia, it is an irrational fear.
When you get down to it, humans mate at anytime. Even when the female
is not in season, or when she is biologically unable to reproduce at
all, so the idea that sex is only for reproduction is flawed from the
get go. We use sex to bond with our mates a lot more than we use it to
make little versions of ourselves, and we don't stop heterosexual
couples, that are incapable of bearing offspring, from having sex with
each other.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:45 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> wrote in news:MPG.25d608ed2c37477b98aee7
@news.east.earthlink.net:

> In article <MPG.25d529c77a07b30bfb7@news.bytemine.net>,
> paul.carrier@gmail.com says...
>> >
>> > Be careful there, Tank. Many species indulge in homosexual behaviour.
>> > Not for procreation of course, but they do indulge.
>>
>> Pleasure wasn't the issue..
>> Furthering the species is.
>>
>> I can care less what people do for fun but don't try to convince me it's
>> "normal"
>>
>>
> Oral sex and masturbation aren't "normal"?
> They sure are prevalent, AND they don't make babies.
> Homosexuality must have a purpose, or it would have been selected out
> eons ago.
>

It isn't a completely self defeating mutation. Homosexuala can in fact
reproduce. They just don't like it. Some become active homosexuals after
reprodcing, some before.

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

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TOPIC: OT: Range report
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e22413ef5a972546?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:38 am
From: RBnDFW

Don Foreman wrote:

...a good report.

> Todd quietly observed that the range staff sometimes doesn't like
> rapid fire like that. I didn't know that! I shoot there more often
> than he does but he must have seen someone get chastized. I usually
> shoot some rapid fire when I go alone or with Mary. I think they
> look thru the windows when they hear rapid fire, and if they see holes
> appearing where they should be appearing then they don't sweat it.
> And, they know me there. I haven't shot out any lights or busted any
> target hangers for a while now...

Every range I've been too have a "no rapid fire" rule.
Most take it with a grain of reasonableness.

The first thing I do when I get to a range is draw and empty my pocket
pistol rapidly. Then I get out the guns I brought to shoot.
So far nary a mention. Even when I've had some defective pistols that
doubled. Now THAT is rapid fire!

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TOPIC: OT - Why the GOP should still be nervous...very, very nervous.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/37096cdc6028afa4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:39 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

John Husvar <jhusvar@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:jhusvar-
23135C.08381705022010@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <4B6C187C.9AEFBE2E@earthlink.net>,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > Why does a light switch say on and off? If it's on you don't need
to
>> > read about it. If it's off you can't read it.
>>
>>
>> You've never seen a light switch in daylight?
>
> Then there's the possibility the light the switch controls isn't
visible
> from the switch's location.

His comment was a bit of humor not to be taken seriously.

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

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TOPIC: OT - New Episodes Of Scientists Behaving Badly -- Scandals just keep
pouring from the laboratories
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e7a8a3ed0a19706a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:39 am
From: Winston

On 2/5/2010 7:08 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870404150457504533419579183
> 8.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704041504575045334195791838.html
The closing paragraph made me laugh out loud.

--Winston

--
Support the blind and deaf. Hire a building contractor today!

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 10:41 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:eepnm5dclan0fgudshbp1l60revud3o1ng@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:23:24 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
><Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2/2/2010 4:42 AM, Cliff wrote:
>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:59:04 -0500, Kirk Gordon <kg1@gordon-eng2.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>>> news:ecadm516nck9unkn7gosfvth1vb8bgli8g@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:16:28 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:0NudnbY0NcPtO_nWnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:d8a5m5h871mrcn45nrdl24qcgb78fjj8su@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unlimited funding for office from unions.
>>>>>>>>>> Buy your rethugs now !!!
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cliff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ha ha, 100% of the Unions supporting politicians I have seen has
>>>>>>>>> been that they ONLY support Democrat Politicians. There may be
>>>>>>>>> some cases where a union has supported a Republican, but I've
>>>>>>>>> never seen it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Occasionally.....I saw a tidbit on the TV yesterday which claimed
>>>>>>>> that corporations were about 55-45% for Republican candidates and
>>>>>>>> unions were about 92-8% for Democrat ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 95% of the time the guy with the most money wins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that mean we'll get laws that are actually helpful to the
>>>>> Capitalism that pays all the Nations bills?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hah! With the national debt approaching 15 trillion dollars, it
>>>> doesn't look to me like anybody's paying ANY of the bills.
>>>
>>> Lucky us ... we still have a national economy. It was
>>> pretty close I gather.
>>>
>>> Not that the rethugs who ran up the trillions in debts
>>> complained or worried when they did it.
>>> Only the liberals were concerned no matter what the rethugs *said*.
>>> Their actions & inactions speak for themselves.
>>>
>>> Wingers lie.
>>
>>I'm just glad we have Socialism to fall back on when everything
>>fails..... Obama's Socialism looks like a real fix.
>
> What socialism?
> OTOH Glen Beck was just moaning & crying that
> not enough people have lost their homes & been tossed
> out in the cold & that some people & firms still have
> some credit.
> Wait til they get sick & try to get a bit of heathcare.

1) I thought you didn't watch Beck?
2) I do, which show and at waht time did he say that.
3) I didn't thnk so.

They call him Cliff 'cuz he keeps falling off of one.

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

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