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TOPIC: Oxy welding newbie questions
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/cb71a11eda5574bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 4:43 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> fired this volley in news:A-
ednfOGK4siKeHWnZ2dnUVZ_s1i4p2d@web-ster.com:

> A Victor torch kit isn't expensive, and works just fine. I know what a
> pain an old, worn out torch can be, I can imagine what a trial a just
> plain cheap one would be.
>
> I'd get the real deal.
>
>

When I bought my first O/A rig, I didn't have in mind cutting anything
thicker than 1/2" steel, and didn't see the need for bending or welding
large stuff, so I bought a little Victor "Fire Power" rig for about $250.

There have been a few times over the subsequent 25 years that I've needed
more heat than it will produce, but few, because I don't do big work. If
I were going bigger, I'd probably go to Oxy/Propane, anyway. Until last
year, the only things I've ever had to do to the little Victor torch was
replace some valve seat washers and the hose. Finally, the dinky one-
stage regs developed hardened seal seats, and they weren't economically
repairable, so I bought a good set of regulators, but kept the basic
torch.

It was one of the few "best buys" I've made over the years; another being
a Chinalloy 4x6 bandsaw, which is still going strong over 20 years later.

LLoyd

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:27 am
From: "Pete C."

Don Foreman wrote:
>
> My primary uses are brazing and silver brazing of various small jobs
> in various metals, and welding of aluminum sheetmetal. Aluminum
> actually requires more torch than steel because it has such high
> thermal conductivity. For welding of steel, sheetmetal up thru 1/2", I
> prefer MIG except that I prefer TIG if fussy precision is required.

I would tend to question whether the OP should be looking at O/A at all
for welding. Here in 2010, I think unless you have a regular need to
weld where there is no power available and an engine driven arc welder
can't be used, there isn't much reason to O/A weld. There are too many
decent inexpensive MIG, TIG and stick welders available new and even
better ones available used for routing O/A welding to be practical.

Granted I do have an O/A rig, but I only have ever used it to heat
material for bending and for silver brazing refrigerant lines. I haven't
even used it for cutting since I have a plasma cutter and haven't needed
to cut anything out of reach of it's 25' torch cables.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:29 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Feb 18, 1:44 am, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...@Hovnanian.com> wrote:
> I think I'm going to pick up a basic kit and take it up.

> Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Speed is n0 subsittute fo accurancy.

Lots of good advice here already. Will just add that the use group
for Welding is Sci.Engr.joining.welding. Ernie is the Guru there.
Take anything he says as gospel. There are some other good people
there too.

I would recommend looking at Harbor Freight. They sell two different
torch sets. I am pretty sure that both of them are exact copies of
Victor. So you do not have to worry about getting replacement parts.
Not that you are likely to need any. I have a Sears ( Harris ) torch
that I got over fifty years ago and although the oxygen regulator gave
out after thirty years, the only other parts have been some standard
size orings.

In looking at Harbor Freight, they only sell welding tips for one of
the two torch sizes. Naturally I have a small Victor torch that is
the size they do not stock replacement tips. ( I got it in a trade
and never had the tips I want. )

Dan

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:16 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

I forgot to add Lincoln has good books at very reasonable prices on
welding.

Get some silver solder and flux. Silver soldering is easy and works
really well for something. H & H have good info on the web.

Go by the local Community College or who ever teaches welding. You
may be old enough that they will waive most of the tuition. And a
little instruction is a good thing. If you qualify for tuition
waiver, it is cheaper to use their gas than to buy your own. If you
do not qualify, ask if the instructor knows anyone that will spend an
hour or so with you for a reasonable price. Most of learning is just
doing it. But a little instruction can speed things along.

Dan

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TOPIC: Joe the Plumber Praises Obama
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/be45746e67cfa045?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 4:49 am
From: Cliff

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81035-joe-the-plumber-tears-into-john-mccain
"Joe the Plumber goes off on McCain, says he 'screwed up my life'"
[
Joe the Plumber is no longer a fan of either Sarah Palin or John McCain, it
seems.

Joe, also known as Sam Wurzelbacher, told an audience in Pennsylvania this week
that McCain "is no public servant."

"McCain was trying to use me," Wurzelbacher said, according to public radio
correspondent Scott Detrow. "I happened to be the face of middle Americans. It
was a ploy."

"I don't owe him s—," Wurzelbacher continued. "He really screwed my life up, is
how I look at it."

In fact, Wurzelbacher's dislike for McCain is so strong that he no longer
supports Sarah Palin simply because Palin will campaign for McCain's
re-election.

As for Obama: "I think his ideology is un-American, but he's one of the more
honest politicians. At least he told us what he wanted to do."
]

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TOPIC: Beauty Queen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/91346861558f735c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:11 am
From: Cliff

http://media.katu.com/images/100111_Palin.jpg

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-sarah-palin-role-model.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47317000/jpg/_47317505_palin_getty226.jpg
http://www.newsgroper.com/files/legacy/charlie_mccarthy_edgar_bergen_x.jpg

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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dc43134cee7f371e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:19 am
From: "Pete C."

RoyJ wrote:
>
> So you think that there are different laws for card than for trucks? If
> a car made a right turn from the far left lane, they would get a ticket.
> If a truck does the same it's OK??? If you can't drive on the road,
> don't drive on the road. I fully understand that it's real tough to put
> a 53 foot (and maybe a bit more) semi into a curvy cul-du-sac
> residential street like some idiot trucker tried to do on the side
> street next to my house but idiots should get what they deserve.
>
> BTW: said trucker could only get out of the cul-du-sac by attempting to
> back it into the only driveway on the street where someone was not home.

The semis carrying the wind turbine blades that were noted are well over
53' and are special oversize permit loads. They need to take extra wide
turns even on multi lane main roads, but again *they* and their lead and
chase vehicles are responsible for doing this safely.

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TOPIC: Dear Sarah Palin
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/49995c2bf299dcdf?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:22 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:08:47 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

>> * You must correctly answer three or more questions to qualify.
>>]
>
>Did you pass, Cliff? ;)

While the test was for tankfixer I assume you had problems with it too.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:25 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:18:50 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <31rln5dv1g7q7vn5t851fkljetmtcfq85r@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:11:26 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <od9gn5pb869av90g6836ooic7dph1f79e7@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:45:33 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <4j6dn55v4g8druvm6r90fm3avhhmjj22og@4ax.com>,
>> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:44:38 +0545, Kadaitcha Man <anon@no.email> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Forged post alert !!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > [quoted text muted]
>> >> >> >[snip]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Humour isn't your strong point, hey. So much so that you have to steal it
>> >> >> >and post it, uncredited, to usenet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Uncensored?
>> >> >> Posted what I got. Tough luck.
>> >> >
>> >> >Comprehension isn't your strong suit is it Cliff.
>> >> >
>> >> >He said "uncredited"....not "uncensored"
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Don't let the draft from your ears blow your pointy foil hat off.
>> >> http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bro/lowres/bron1054l.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> >Time for school cliffy..
>> >And don't lick the bus windows today will you ?
>>
>> I'm not the one that forges posts (thus lying even more).
>
>Forges posts ?
>I don't do such a thing and would invite you to go right ahead and prove
>your claim.

Are you Kadaitcha Man?

>
>> Did you "think" you'd not be noticed lying yet again?
>
>You lie in practically every post you make.

Find those "WMDs" yet?

>Cliff's Palin/football player fetish deleted..

Too hard for you.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Lathe chuck spindle attachment
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b76ae7f100af4f96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:27 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Feb 17, 9:54 pm, "Wild_Bill" <wb_wildb...@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

> > http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2532...
> > Or center an ER extension chuck in the 4-jaw.

> The LMS ER-32 collet chuck at $200 is a fairly expensive accessory for a 7x
> mini-lathe, especially when a collet set is somewhat costly. But it does
> include a wrench.
>
> But a chuck like that would be a good project and a handy accessory for a
> lathe with a spindle flange.

Get good 3 and 4 jaw chucks and use the lathe, collets are nice and
convenient but not necessary.

...
> Your perception into details of shows is somewhat astounding to me.
> WB

Not mine so much, I read reviews partly to analyse and learn the
writer's style. I used to work part-time on film and theatre crews and
thus notice details of acting, directing, sets, props and lighting.
Whedon's DVD commentaries are nearly a master class in the art of film
making.

This is the stunt woman:
http://www.sophiacrawford.com/sophia-crawford-bio.htm
I suffered through a few minutes of Power Rangers to see their
superhuman gymnastic abilities.

Whedon allowed the backstage crew to communicate with fans on the
Internet as long as they didn't discuss plots, and the unaccustomed
fame they received went to a few heads including hers and Jeff
Pruitt's. OTOH the writers were fascinating and soon grabbed the fans'
attention.
http://www.whedon.info/Drew-Goddard-At-The-Bronze-Beta,415.html
He's the grandson of the rocket Goddard and well educated in science,
which he writes into "Lost". "Minions" are his fan base.

jsw

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 324
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8357ba5857a5fa66?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:40 am
From: Andrew Erickson

In article <hlj5lu027er@news7.newsguy.com>, "Rob H." <rhvp65@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

1855 - Stirrup for a saddle, with an incongruous piece of baling twine
wrapped around it? Early and unsuccessful prototype slingshot?

1856 - Printing press; the ink rollers are immediately visible, the ink
goes on the round plate at the top, and the paper to be printed goes in
the slot just underneath the rollers. Pressing the foot pedal would
presumably start the action, and cause the ink rollers to move down and
ink the type (also in the slot area) and then press the paper against
the inked type, probably breaking off any fingers that also happened to
straggle in the way.

1857 - Maybe tamper rods for setting blasting charges when mining rock?
Brass would avoid the problem of striking sparks while tamping, while
being heavier than wood (which is not uncommonly used).

1858 - I'd say it's a bottle, but that seems far to easy. Maybe instead
it's a weight for tying on the end of a rope to keep it taut.

1859 - Maybe an anti-kickback dog for a sawmill? Maybe a latching lever
for an old hand brake lever or similar, presumably engaging against a
toothed quadrant?

1860 - Seed dusting apparatus (for applying fungicides or other powdered
chemicals)?

--
Andrew Erickson

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:53 am
From: Dave Balderstone

In article <hlj5lu027er@news7.newsguy.com>, Rob H. <rhvp65@gmail.com>
wrote:

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

1856: Platen printing press. I've operated these.

1858: A bottle.

1859: Part of a ratchet assembly, but from what I have no idea.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:12 am
From: "Peter Morris"

"Andrew Erickson" <gmavt@drewe.reverse2mail.net> wrote in message
news:gmavt-4FFC34.08405618022010@sn-ip.us.supernews.com...
> In article <hlj5lu027er@news7.newsguy.com>, "Rob H." <rhvp65@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> 1855 - Stirrup for a saddle, with an incongruous piece of baling twine
> wrapped around it? Early and unsuccessful prototype slingshot?

Muffled rowlock, with most of the rope missing?

http://www.maritimeheritageeast.org.uk/archive/rowlocks-or-oarlocks

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TOPIC: So which "tea party" are you talking about ??
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e0edc6b0c3a22708?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:41 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:11 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>Chuck Baldwin

"As a Republican Party member, Baldwin was state chair of the Florida Moral
Majority"
"attended Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, Michigan, for two years"
"founder-pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida"
"Baldwin believes that "the South was right in the War Between the States",
and that the leaders of the Confederacy were not racists."
"Baldwin believes that "America was deliberately and distinctively founded as
a haven for Christians""
"He also would eliminate the Food and Drug Administration as
unconstitutional."
"Baldwin supports freedom for homeschooling"
"Baldwin had already begun promoting militia movements on his radio show as
early as 1995"
"Baldwin firmly opposes abortion and Roe v. Wade."
"Baldwin has several beliefs typically distinctive of Independent Baptists,
such as the primacy of the local New Testament church, premillennial
dispensationalism, counting homosexuality as a moral perversion, avoidance of
drinking and smoking, and strict diet and exercise"
And guns, guns, guns.
"he regards black pastor Martin Luther King, Jr., as an apostate for King's
allegedly having renounced the deity, virgin birth, and physical resurrection of
Christ, as well as the authority and inspiration of the Bible"

He's very confused.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:42 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:46:04 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote:

>
>
>"Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
>news:bttjn59lo5ui96njebqklld33ns0kdfvmt@4ax.com...
>> It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>> stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>> WS
>
>Are these the same geniuses who think Bush is still President?

He's still on vacation. right?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: 0bama's "bi-partisan" health care ploy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:47 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:45:16 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:08 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/GOP-responds-to-Obamas-Health-Care-Summit-invite-No-Thanks-84321682.html
>>GOP responds to Obama's Health Care Summit invite: No Thanks?
>>
>>House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, issued a statement late
>>Saturday in response to President Obama's Friday invite to a
>>bipartisan Health Care Summit at the White House.
>>
>>Boehner and other Republican leaders are complaining that the event is
>>simply political gamesmanship and that Obama is planning to have a
>>health care deal finalized before anyone even sits down at the
>>meeting, which is scheduled to take place on Feb. 25.
>>
>>Here's Boehner's statement:
>>"A productive bipartisan discussion should begin with a clean sheet of
>>paper. We now know that instead of starting the 'bipartisan' health
>>care 'summit' on Feb. 25 with a clean sheet of paper, the president
>>and his party intend to arrive with a new bill written behind closed
>>doors exclusively by Democrats -- a backroom deal that will transform
>>one-sixth of our nation's economy and affect every family and small
>>business in America. They will then engage a largely handpicked
>>audience in a televised 'dialogue' according to a script they have
>>largely pre-determined. They will do this as a precursor to embarking
>>on a legislative course that Democratic congressional aides
>>acknowledge has also been pre-determined -- a partisan course that
>>relies on parliamentary tricks to circumvent the will of the American
>>people and engineer a pre-determined outcome. It doesn't sound much
>>like bipartisanship to me."
>
>The conservatives asked for open, televised meetings. Obama is giving
>them that. Now they are running away from what they asked for.
>Typical shit from the shit heads

It's the party of no in any case.
Except for their messes for which they deny responsability.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Palin caught lying again !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/11438d55184e2ddd?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 5:52 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:35:35 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>
>That's including 0bama's 57 states, I assume.

Teresa Heinz ("57 Varieties") Kerry.
One can easily understand, considering the moment.
And, IIRC, quickly corrected.

BTW How many States can Palin find?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:01 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:04:22 -0500, Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:53:21 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/opinion/perspectives/612138-263/palin-makes-a-few-errors-in-convention.html
>> "Palin makes a few errors in convention speech – and on Fox"
>>[
>>On Fox News Sunday, Palin repeated her false claim that Alaska produces
>>one-fifth of the nation's energy:
>>Palin (Feb. 7): [Alaska is the] largest, most diverse state in the union, 20
>>percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy coming from our state.
>>This is far from true, just as it was in 2008 when she claimed the same thing.
>>Back then we noted that the U.S. Energy Information Administration showed that
>>Alaska accounted for 3.5 percent of all domestic energy production in 2005, the
>>most recent figures then available.
>>Now the figure is even lower. The EIA's current statistical breakdown shows
>>Alaska's energy production made up just under 2.9 percent of the U.S. total in
>>2007.
>>]
>> How stupid can one winger be?
>
>Why do DemocRATs always LIE?

How stupid can one winger be?

Thank you for the free demonstration.

Palin: "20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy coming from our
state."

>
>Crude Oil Production - Current - Monthly-Thousand Barrels
>
>U.S.: 163,974
>Alaska (PADD5): 19,743
>Alaska (Offshore): 5,755 Total: 25,498
>http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbbl_m.htm
>
>15.5%
>
>High Point 1987:
>U.S.: 257,844
>Alaska (PADD5): 63,325
>Alaska (Offshore): 4,469 Total: 67,794
>
>26.3%
>
>Average = 20.9%
>
>Palin said "one-fifth."
>
>20.9% IS one-fifth.
>
>http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M
>
>http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPAK1&f=M
>
>http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M_EPC0_FPF_AKSF_1&f=M
>
>Offshore Gross Withdrawals of Natural Gas (Million Cubic Feet)
>U.S. Total 2007: 3,492,744
>Alaska Total: 374,204
>
>10.7%
>
>http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/ng/ng_prod_off_s1_a.htm

FREE CLUE: That's oil & gas production, not energy.
Don't feel too bad, Palin is equally ignorant & confused.
AND she claimed the same thing in 2008 & never learned any better.
VERY slow learner !!! Not very bright at all. Genetic problems in the
family?

Perhaps Faux should ask someone from Alaska, such as their
Governor.
--
Cliff

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:10 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:00 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>Amy Bishop

"she had requested that students with gun permits be allowed to carry their
guns on campus and was turned down."

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:11 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:00 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>Alabama

Red State, right?
But I still like Mobile <G>.
--
Cliff

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:13 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:45:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
<gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

>The CDC [Center for Disease Control] and NIMH [National
>Institute for Mental Health] should have been on this apparent
>upsurge in violence "like a free range Kansas chicken on a June
>bug," first to determine if it is real, and to determine the
>causes.

IIRC The rethugs, at the prodding of the NRA, banned such
a few years ago.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Hold my beer & watch this ...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:05 am
From: Pete Snell

dav1936531@nowhere.invalid wrote:

>
> Something similar to this gas engine maybe?
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fee_1266466975
>
> Dave

Ouch! That turned into a bad day for someone.....

Pete

--
Pete Snell
Department of Physics
Royal Military College
Kingston, Ontario,
Canada
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Either this man is dead or my watch has stopped.

Groucho Marx (1895�1977)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:30 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Engines reverse, full, Helm! Scotty! I need full
power, can you do it?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com> wrote in message
news:fQ0fn.27$BD2.22@newsfe14.iad...

I'll bet you rip a hole in the time-space
continuum. GOOD, then I don't
have to visit relatives Sunday.

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TOPIC: Climate Change for Wingers (IOW "made simple")
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:05 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Feb 18, 1:28 am, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> I'd be willing to bet that the experts are going
> to say the same thing next year they have said for the last decade.
> Global warming exists and man is doing it. Me, I'd rather be safe than
> sorry. I don't know what you use for your logic. I can't find any.
>
> Hawke

My guess is that next year they will be saying that Global warming may
exist and man may be doing it. As I see it now burning fossil fuels
ought to be producing some effect on the earths temperature, but it is
really hard to prove it.

Read Super Freakenomics. There is a section on global warming in it.
CO2 is not a major influence on global warming. Water Vapor is the
biggest factor, Methane is second. CO2 is a minor player.

Dan

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TOPIC: Oboovervilles spreading to suburbs
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Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:25 am
From: "Mach1"

I looked real hard for something related to metal working....can't find
anything. I may be able to infer that a metalworker lost his/her job but
metalworking??????? Would be better to stay in the survivalism group as this
is survival.
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