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TOPIC: Al Outboard engine - clearing out waterways
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/56204a998b560a20?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 12:11 am
From: Charlie+

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:09:27 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no> wrote:

>Sitting for several years?
>
>Always replace the impellor for an outboard every two years max if its in
>use, each year if its operated in a river system or other gritty
>environment, and any time its been sitting for an extended period.
>
>Its possible a lean condition may make it run a little hot from a gummed up
>carb, but I can guarantee you when you take out the impellor you will find
>its taken a curved set or is even starting to break down or crack.
>Impellors are relatively cheap, and dirt cheap compared to the cost of a new
>or even good used outboard.
>
>Also, when was the last time you changed the gearcase lubricant? You should
>do that every year, or everytime its been sitting for an extended period.
>Also relatively cheap and dirt cheap compared to replacing or rebuilding
>your lower unit.
>
OK thanks all - ill start with the impeller!
Charlie+

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 12:24 am
From: cavelamb

Charlie+ wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:09:27 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no> wrote:
>
>> Sitting for several years?
>>
>> Always replace the impellor for an outboard every two years max if its in
>> use, each year if its operated in a river system or other gritty
>> environment, and any time its been sitting for an extended period.
>>
>> Its possible a lean condition may make it run a little hot from a gummed up
>> carb, but I can guarantee you when you take out the impellor you will find
>> its taken a curved set or is even starting to break down or crack.
>> Impellors are relatively cheap, and dirt cheap compared to the cost of a new
>> or even good used outboard.
>>
>> Also, when was the last time you changed the gearcase lubricant? You should
>> do that every year, or everytime its been sitting for an extended period.
>> Also relatively cheap and dirt cheap compared to replacing or rebuilding
>> your lower unit.
>>
> OK thanks all - ill start with the impeller!
> Charlie+

you know... that's a lot easier said that done.
(not the impeller, but the gearbox oil)

Never the less, It's on my list - if the spring thaws ever come...

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: PC Hardware Problem
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/52adc8b84c613bed?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 12:22 am
From: cavelamb

Winston wrote:
> On 2/23/2010 8:43 PM, RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
>> On 2/22/2010 10:43 AM, Winston wrote:
>>> On 2/21/2010 11:19 PM, cavelamb wrote:
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>>> Use a hair dryer to blow WARM air onto the part for a few seconds
>>>> to try to fail a part.
>>>>
>>>> Use a freon can the same way to try to recover a part.
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>> Yup. We used to call Freon 11 "Tech-in-a-can".
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>> Only problem with freeze spray is that if there is high humidity, you
>> end up frosting good circuitry that upon melting starts flaking out and
>> maybe even developing corrosion and conductive tracks then you waste
>> time figuring out what just happened. I am not big on that method here
>> in humid Florida.
>
> We always kept the lab comfortable WRT both
> temperature and humidity. Never saw an issue caused
> by condensation, probably because it dried quickly and
> there wasn't anything it could pick up that would've
> made it conductive.
>
> I feel lucky that I was out of that business by the
> time that lead-free solder became prevalent.
> I don't like that stuff. :)
>
> --Winston

completely concur!

Fortunately I still have several pounds of 70/30.

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: OT Gunsmoke for charity
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/23414e9a64c3a201?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 12:25 am
From: cavelamb

Don Foreman wrote:
> The CEO of a research lab here in town gets involved in charitable
> fundraising in her very-upscale community each year. Her contribution
> is to auction a visit to an indoor range with two "gunslingers",
> experienced shooters who work there. The winners of these auctions
> for charity pay hundreds of bux for the experience. Bonnie covers
> ammo,range fees and lunch, "gunslingers" provide guns, safety
> instruction and close supervision, and such coaching as is welcomed.
> The two "gunslingers" are my former colleagues with whom we have our
> periodic gunsmoke luncheon socials. This year they have three
> novices for the shoot: a couple who won the auction and the CEO who
> also likes to attend and shoot. She's shot before but she's still a
> newby. So I'm invited to join them tomorrow. That'll work out
> nicely, three experienced shooters and three novices, one on one on
> each of three lanes. I also contribute to the diversity of handguns
> available to try, of course.
>
> I'm looking forward to it. I was feelin' a hankering for gunsmoke
> before the email arrived this afternoon. I do like to shoot, also
> like to instruct and I purely love seeing the thrill and joy when a
> new shooter hits the bullseye.

You have fun, Don!
Wish I could join ya...

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: So So day in the shop.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6073aa8186486315?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 1:39 am
From: Wes

"pdrahn@coinet.com" <co_farmer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Did you put a new blade in the saw? If it is old and you have not used
>it before, it may have the teeth stripped back on one side. There is
>NOTHING you can do to make that blade cut straight. Gee, I would have
>thought you would watch it cut clear through several times before you
>let it run on it's own.

I did a few test cuts earlier and it was working okay.

As to the blade, I have two Irwin varipitch bimetals that should arrive today and the
original will head to the trash bin.

Wes

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TOPIC: Socialized Medicine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a98fcf9b704293f4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:01 am
From: Cliff

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/tripp-palins-socialized-medicine.html
"Tripp Palin's Socialized Medicine"
[
Why am I not surprised? But what I really want to know is whether Trig has state
health benefits. The last time we heard, he didn't because his birth certificate
had not been sent to the relevant state agency over a month after the Palins
claim he was born. Palin herself, of course, has publicly said that Trig's birth
certificate had been publicly released:
[
Hey, you know, that�s a great point, in that weird conspiracy-theory freaky
thing that people talk about that Trig isn�t my real son. And a lot of people
say, �Well you need to produce his birth certificate! You need to prove that
he�s your kid!� Which we have done.
]
This, of course, was another simple lie.
]

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TOPIC: Glenn Beck Is a Communist
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03ecfef2321238cb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:09 am
From: Cliff

http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-proves-glenn-beck-is-a-communist.htm
"Jon Stewart Proves Glenn Beck Is a Communist"
[
Taking aim at one of his favorite right-wing punching bags, Jon Stewart slammed
Glenn Beck
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html
over the anti-progressivism tirade he delivered at the Conservative Political
Action Conference.

During Beck's speech to the GOP faithful, he compared progressivism to
communism, explaining how progressives like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin
Roosevelt pushed for the income tax and universal health care. Beck boasted that
he learned all about their communist leanings by reading books in a library for
free. That prompted Jon Stewart to unload on him:
"Glenn, the library isn't free! It's paid for with tax money. Free public
libraries are the result of the Progressive movement to communally share books.
The first public library was the Boston public library in 1854. It's statement
of purpose: every citizen has the right to access community owned resources.
Community owned? That sounds just like communist. You're a communist!"
Watch the video,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html
plus check out Stewart's complete review of CPAC,
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-22-2010/cpac-2010---rage-within-the-machine
or as he calls it, the "Festival of Whites."
...
]

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TOPIC: Nuts define right-wing movement
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3c5d841a8de19908?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:13 am
From: Cliff

http://www.pnj.com/article/20100224/OPINION/2240312/Neo-con-nuts-define-right-wing-movement
"Neo-con nuts define right-wing movement"
[
Ann Coulter last week told the media there was hope for the conservative
movement in America.

Coulter said she was inspired by the small but enthusiastic group of "young
right-wingers" who showed up at the Conservative Political Action Conference in
Washington, D.C.

But when you understand more about the leadership in that group of "young
right-wingers," the idea of a bright future for the struggling movement is
anything but probable.

James O'Keefe is one of those young right-wing leaders who the conservative
movement embraces. O'Keefe showed up at CPAC only after he posted bail on felony
charges he faces in New Orleans.

That CPAC young right-wing leader was arrested for trying to tap the phone lines
and computer system of a Democratic U.S. senator. The criminal operation led by
O'Keefe and several other leaders of the conservative movement's "bright future"
would not be considered inspirational by normal standards.

It was a criminal operation not much different than one led by another
conservative leader named G. Gordon Liddy. Liddy and his pals also believed that
criminal break-ins and wiretaps should be part of the conservative social and
political agenda.

Liddy's felony convictions had no effect on how conservatives regard him. He is
apparently a neo-con hero for young wing-nuts like O'Keefe.
....
]

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TOPIC: CNC Bridgeport with Heidenhein control
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5812568ce8efba7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:18 am
From: "Karl Townsend"

>> Long story short, don't go in to this thinking its a quick easy job.
>> You'll
>> also spend a fair bit of bucks on servo drivers that work with EMC and
>> run
>> your servos.
>
> Karl, if you can give me a rundown of what I would need/how much time
> it will take/how much it will cost, it would be greatly appreciated.

The major cost here will be your time. A lot to learn. My pure guess would
be about two man months. The more equipment you can reuse the more you save
and the more time you'll spend. Its easier to do a simple machine first,
this one isn't it. Look in to how you do the servo drives with the
Heidenhein scales and what all you'll need to interface all the I/O to your
Linux box. These will be the two largest costs.

You'll end up with a machine you control from a computer keyboard - fine for
hobby work. Most of my experience is with refitting a machine so its a
professional job that is better than new. Costs easily run 15K to do this.

Karl

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:14 am
From: cavelamb

Ignoramus21067 wrote:
> On 2010-02-23, Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Karl Townsend" <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b843f25$0$65856$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
>>> Iggy,
>>>
>>> Refitting CNC machines has become my real hobby. I also make a few bucks
>>> on the side consulting on Camsoft refit installs.
>>>
>>> $500 is a fair price. The machine is only sutiable for a refit. Don't beat
>>> a dead horse trying to make the old control run.
>>>
>>> I assume you're just buying on speculation. But, if you're going into the
>>> refit biz, email me offline.
>>>
>>> Karl
>> Karl, since Heidenhein switched to PC-architecture controls around ten years
>> ago (or offered them as an option), what is the chance that they could
>> supply the necessary bits to convert Iggy's machine into one that's
>> PC-controlled?
>>
>
> To put this bluntly, if I can convert this mill to something I can
> control with a (preferably Linux) PC, I will keep this mill.
>
> I do not know even the basics of CNC, so I do not know what interfaces
> with what and what can be replaced.
>
> Is that a 2 dimensional CNC machine? (I know that it is a dumb idea to
> ask at this point in the game).
>
> i

Did it not come with a controller, Iggy?

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: Brown Teabaggers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e2a90e3357f129af?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:18 am
From: Cliff

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20100224tea_party_anger_spills_on_scott_brown_support_of_jobs_bill_seen_as_betrayal/
"Tea Party anger spills on Scott Brown"
"Support of jobs bill seen as betrayal"
[
U.S. Sen. Scott Brown is getting Tea Party blowback for bucking most of his
fellow Republicans and backing a $15 billion jobs bill in Washington.

The Internet was aflame yesterday with right-wing indignation that Brown, who
last month won a stunning upset to capture the Senate seat once held by liberal
Ted Kennedy, would vote for any stimulus bill pushed by Democrats.

On Brown�s own Facebook page, he was accused of being a �traitor� and a �RINO�
(for Republican In Name Only), while some claimed a memo was being circulated
among conservative Tea Party members to �withdraw� support from the
Massachusetts junior senator.
....
]

Teabaggers ARE rethug dupes.
Complaining about "�traitor� and a �RINO� (for Republican In Name Only)"

"I Told You So!"
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: New Mastercam Forum
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c8f0543a9d82627?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:21 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:25:36 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Not sure if this is the answer but for sure an alternative is needed
>to e-Mastercam
>
>http://www.mastercamforum.com
>

This is probably now a banquer-free zone too !!!
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Mastercam x3
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/762bb9485ee862e9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:28 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:44:03 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <joemama788@aol.com> wrote:

>On Feb 23, 4:08�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:28:34 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >San Diego's 5th Axis CNC
>>
>> http://www.reportingtransparency.ca.gov/Audits/Internal_Audits/Employ...
>> [
>> During the term of the Agreement, 5th Axis switched from using
>> Master Cam software to Open Mind Hyper-Mill software. The switch in software had
>> a huge
>> learning curve and the ETP funding allowed you to provide the critically needed
>> training hours
>> for the new system (off production).
>> ]
>>
>> � They got $20,280 from the State of California for "training"
>> and it looks like they had been using a rather old version of MasterCAM
>> anyway.
>>
>> � Manage to drill any holes yet??
>>
>> � BTW, News was well over a year old. Stale, in fact.
>> � "Training began on 6/01/07."
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Very interesting. Nice find Cliff!

Has poor idiot clueless ever been right?
He still cannot even drill simple holes properly with MasterCAM !!
No clues does he have.
*I* spotted his blunders right away !!!
And I don't even use MC & never have. Not even a free 1 minute demo
(though we had some seats at AO Smith for some shop-floor programming stuff
as the employees, when hired, had been trained in MC to begin with IIRC).
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Mastercam guys, tell me about dynamic milling...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7217ce18fb155a3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:29 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:01:21 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Feb 22, 1:34 pm, Steve Mackay <mackay.st...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I think everyone is still in a state of shock on the 2 or 3 ON TOPIC
>> posts this past week.
>
>What's the difference because as per usual in this newsgroup no real
>or meaningful content is discussed. This has been the case for many
>years now.
>
>For example:
>
>Is there an significant difference between VoluMill and Surfcam's
>Trumill toolpath stratagies?
>
>Does DP Technology Esprit 5th axis surfacing toolpath cutting
>technology, that DP got when they acquired Auton really make 5th axis
>programming easier compared to what everyone else is licensing from
>ModuleWorks and using? Cimatron, Gibbscam, Mastercam, Surfcam,
>SolidCAM, CAMWorks, etc all use ModuleWorks toolpath software
>components. DP Technology doesn't.
>
>No discussion of CAM VAR's disappearing like crazy and what this
>means.
>
>No discussion of the FACT that it looks pretty clear that SolidWorks
>has won the market and that a major shift is just started to occur in
>places like California where a major machining job shop in San Diego
>dumped 5 seats of Mastercam and went with the integrated solutions of
>SolidWorks and OpenMind Hypermill.
>That shop would be San Diego's 5th Axis CNC. When I say dumped, I mean
>exactly that. 5th Axis CNC doesn't use Mastercam any longer for
>anything period.
>
>How can Siemens NX be a factor when Siemens can't market to small
>machining job shops and leaves this up to their VAR network which
>isn't anywhere near as good or as strong as SolidWorks VAR network.
>Further, Siemens isn't making any progress in this area which leads me
>to believe that integrated solutions to SolidWorks will easily win out
>over NX for the foreseeable future. For those that need to seriously
>modify dumb solids very affordable solutions to do what SolidWorks
>can't do (direct modeling) like SpaceClaim are available to help one
>deal with SolidWorks continued serious limitation of working with dumb
>solids.
>
>So while some content has returned it's not in anyway really helpful
>or meaningful CADCAM content and certainly doesn't address what's
>currently happening in the CADCAM market.

What became of Sliced Bread?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:31 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:01:21 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>That shop would be San Diego's 5th Axis CNC.

I doubt you can count to 5 (five). Even using both hands
& moving your lips.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Palin gets welfare !!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7ed75f1c9a38ed63?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 2:51 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:45:23 +0000 (UTC), falk@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
wrote:

>I thought everybody in Alaska was on welfare. Doesn't the state
>heavily tax the oil companies, and give some of that money directly
>to the residents?

Why should anybody in Alaska get a dime for oil from FEDERAL
lands ???
Should go to the US Government !!
Keep debts & taxes lower ...
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Seriously?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03b1de526ffa735d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:03 am
From: Cliff

On 22 Feb 2010 08:12:01 -0600, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbrown@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:vf15o5h4884h825rq3hbsghgvs1d6nbhi5@4ax.com...
>> On 22 Feb 2010 06:26:01 -0600, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbrown@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>news:ueq4o5p46nihiajdt07jihlbfn1c27avo3@4ax.com...
>>>> http://www.uwmpost.com/2010/02/22/take-palin-seriously-2/
>>>> "Take Palin seriously"
>>>> [
>>>> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Unless you're Sarah
>>>> Palin, a
>>>> woman who portrays the president as Hitler, charges over $100,000 to
>>>> speak
>>>> to
>>>> backwoods radicals on how taxes are too high and blasts anyone who
>>>> disagrees
>>>> with lies and half-truths. This is the same woman who attempts to play
>>>> on
>>>> the
>>>> public sympathy every time she is made fun of.
>>>>
>>>> Palin's current gripe is with "Family Guy." ....
>>>> ....
>>>> Perhaps Palin should put more time into memorizing her rhetoric. It is
>>>> the
>>>> least she could do for $100,000 a speech. I'm sure Pat Buchanan or Pat
>>>> Robertson
>>>> would charge half as much and wouldn't forget their lines. They've been
>>>> spouting
>>>> the same propaganda for years.
>>>
>>>Obviously YOU take her seriously, YOU whine and complain about her
>>>constantly.
>>>If she was such a 'nobody' you'd ignore her completely but your constant
>>>attention
>>>to her every move means she scares the shit out of you. YOU can lie and
>>>claim
>>>otherwise but it's a well know fact that people complain most about those
>>>they fear.
>>
>> What's to fear?
>> Not even the rethugs would vote for her now.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Then why do you even post about her?

Don't you get it yet?

>Check NewsMax, I heard she changed her nail polish,
>give you something to complain about.

How much did the rethugs pay for that?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Joe Stack's suicide note, translated.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5860bd34a76bbba0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:08 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:21:07 +0100, Monika Eggers
<monikakrug@expires-2009-12-31.arcornews.de> wrote:

>Joe Stack's suicide note, translated:
>http://rimbosity.com/writings/joe-stack-translated.html

A good find !!

>
>For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Stack
>
>Monika.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Wingers demand bribes?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/017e9dbfb1de946e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:11 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:12:06 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote
>>
>>> http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m2d19-Sarah-Pa
>>> lin-reportedly-avoids-CPAC-over-profiteering [
>>> ....
>>> This week's CPAC (Conservative Political Action Convention) will include
>>> nearly every conservative leader including but not limited to former Vice
>>> President Dick Cheney, former Governor Mitt Romner, Governor Tim
>>> Pawlenty, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck. However it will curiously not
>>> include Sarah Palin who is the person most identified with the
>>> conservative movement at this time.
>>>
>>> Palin herself has been accused of "pocketbook over policy" for her
>>> willingness to charge a $100,000 speaking fee to attend the Tea Party
>>> convention. ....
>>
>>Yes becuase anyone who accepts speaking fees for any amount to speak to any
>>group is a horrible human being that should immediately be killed.
>
>Oh, oh. Bill Clinton and Al Gore must be getting very nervous now.

"David Keene of the American Conservative Union (ACU) for allegedly demanding
a $2 million dollar fee from FedEx to support their legislative agenda."
--
Cliff

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:12 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:13:38 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m2d19-Sarah-Palin-reportedly-avoids-CPAC-over-profiteering
>>....
>>This week's CPAC (Conservative Political Action Convention) will include nearly
>>every conservative leader including but not limited to former Vice President
>>Dick Cheney, former Governor Mitt Romner, Governor Tim Pawlenty, Rush Limbaugh,
>>and Glenn Beck. However it will curiously not include Sarah Palin who is the
>>person most identified with the conservative movement at this time.
>
>Why do you have so much trouble telling liberal NeoCons and
>conservatives apart? They really are at different ends of the
>political spectrum.

"David Keene of the American Conservative Union (ACU) for allegedly demanding
a $2 million dollar fee from FedEx to support their legislative agenda."
--
Cliff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:12 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:20:46 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>Wingers?
>
>Bribes?

"David Keene of the American Conservative Union (ACU) for allegedly demanding
a $2 million dollar fee from FedEx to support their legislative agenda."
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Gun nuts need psych tests, at least "obsessed" 0bama lovers do.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:15 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:58:26 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

>Where does the Constitution grant the
>> government power to regulate guns?
>
>It doesn't.

Define "arms" *in the context of the day*.
Such rights to regulate small-arms was reserved to the
States & local governments.
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Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:20 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:06:31 -0500, Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:

>>>Alaska DOES NOT have a nuclear plant (yet).
>> Like the older one at Fort Greely, ALASKA?
>
>Shut down in 1972, ASSHOLE.

YOU claimed "Alaska DOES NOT have a nuclear plant (yet)."
I pointed out that they indeed had one.

>>>Oil and gas production IS energy, ASSHOLE.
>>>> And much of that goes into...
>>>It DOES NOT matter what the electricity is used for, ASSHOLE.
>> So just because...
>
>It's always FUN to beat you down in public and urinate on you.

While getting the facts all wrong ala Palin.
You were facing upwind in a heavy gale.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Dear Sarah Palin
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:17 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:05:26 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:bjt1o5l3os702qade1k0gt0i2r3osstimg@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:23:11 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>news:tf9vn5h464hnck9s7eh4p0bmnlmul14m6m@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:57:05 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>>news:rlfqn55up938gsrekfqdgn0vpupcl3eit2@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:08:47 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * You must correctly answer three or more questions to qualify.
>>>>>>>>]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you pass, Cliff? ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While the test was for tankfixer I assume you had problems with
>>>>>> it
>>>>>too.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, I aced it......just wondering how you did. You haven't
>>>>>answered that.
>>>>
>>>> You managed to get your name right?
>>>> After how many tries & with how much help?
>>>> What was your name?
>>>> (Any bets he can get it right twice in a row?)
>>>
>>>IOW, you failed your own test. Interesting.... ;)
>>
>> [
>>
>> You are given three envelopes numbered respectively 1, 2, and 3. #1
>> and #3 contain moonmen, igadgets, and iradium. #2 contains igadgets.
>> All the igadgets happen to be blinking in this case. The envelopes may
>> contain other things than those listed above.
>>
>> Definition: An igadget is something that blinks whenever it detects
>> the presence of iradium in envelope(s) other than it's own envelope.
>>
>> Definition: Moonmen cannot communicate; they can see all the igadgets;
>> they can see all the envelopes and the numbers on them, plus iradium
>> that is in any of
>> the envelopes other than their own envelope.
>>
>> Definition: Iradium is a substance invisible to the human eye, but
>> visible to moonmen and detectable by igadgets.
>>
>> Definition: An envelope has a number written on it; it may contain
>> anything, but each envelope has a definite content. An envelope makes
>> all iradium and igadgets which it contains invisable to all moonmen
>> which it contains. That is, moonmen cannot see anything of the
>> contents of their own respective envelopes.
>>
>> Problem: The moonmen are trying to definitely answer the following
>> question: "Is there any iradium within my own envelope?" They cannot
>> solve their dilemma.
>>
>> You must determine, using the above information, whether or not
>> envelope #2 contains iradium. You can definitely solve your problem
>> with a yes or no, and a reason for your conclusion.
>>]
>>
>
>I must determine nothing any more than you feel a need to state that you
>failed your own test.

I found another one you could not do !!!
<VBG>
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Bloom Box - metal content too...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 3:23 am
From: Richard J Kinch

cavelamb writes:

> This is a radical development of fuel cell technology ...

Right. The same idea that has been the next big thing for, what, 50 years
now? Suckers.

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