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TOPIC: building jeep frame
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/32fc57a529507b1b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:18 pm
From: Howard Eisenhauer

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:49:46 GMT, Jordan <jwprincic@otpusnet.com.au>
wrote:

*Snip*
.
>Don't Jeep frames need to flex somewhat? I saw a bare one sitting on a
>garage floor. The owner picked up one corner, and the other three
>corners stayed on the floor!
>
>Jordan

CJ frames up till the late 70's were mostly un-boxed c cahannel & were
very flexy. Most people building up an early CJ foe seroius off-road
activities will completely box thier frames for the added stiffness &
t prevent cracking at stress points, htey rely on up-graded
suspensions to keep all 4 on the ground.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:34 pm
From: Howard Eisenhauer

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:54:39 -0800 (PST), mark <markhabbi@hotmail.com>
wrote:

*Snip*

>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Roy, as for the bends, I am going to eliminate the arches for the leaf
>springs, I have a 4" suspension lift so straight frame rails will be
>fine although I will have to bring them in narrower at the front.
>

*Snip*

Eliminating the arches is gonna hurt come articulation time :(

Plus it's going to complicate the body mounting, the front & rear
kick-ups arn't there just for the arches.

As for an aluminuim chassis in general-

http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/uploads/53972/can-o-worms.gif

Live in an occaiasionally damp area? Aluminum+steel+damp= galvanic
corosion = a bitch.

Build your own if you want, lots of people have done it successfully
but you'll be a lot happier with the results if you go galvanized
steel.

Hit up the Early CJ5 "intermediate " (yes, I know lates aren't
intermediates & certainly arn't "earlies" & CJ7's arn't 5's but
they're a fairly tolerent bunch) forums-

http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19

& do a search on frames, lots of good info from people who have been
where you're going.

H..

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:27 pm
From: Jon Anderson

Tim Wescott wrote:

> My dad used to brag that with posi-trac and careful driving he could get
> his '59 El Camino stuck in places where the four wheel drive brush rigs
> (with less intrepid drivers) couldn't even get close to pull him out.

Early 80's, I had a 510 Datsun 4 door. I'd once looked through the
Datsun racing parts catalog, and saw the suspension kit for rally cars.
Well, never bought the kit, but I did fit 14" Z wheels which gave a good
bit more ground clearance. I used to drive all over the woods with it.
One nice summer day, I'm crawling along a rocky trail, sunglasses on,
Coke in one hand with my elbow out the window, Led Zeppelin blaring on
the stereo. Around the corner comes a string of Jeeps, out doing some
manly 4x4 trailing.

The look on their faces at the sight of my 510 was priceless...

I did get myself in trouble once on a trail too steep to back up. I
walked down and saw there was a nice flat area to turn around and get a
run back. But there was some major erosion in between. Getting down was
no problem, but it took about an hour of filling the ruts with rocks and
branches to get back out.

Jon

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:32 pm
From: Jon Anderson

Howard Eisenhauer wrote:

> CJ frames up till the late 70's were mostly un-boxed c cahannel & were
> very flexy. Most people building up an early CJ foe seroius off-road
> activities will completely box thier frames for the added stiffness &
> t prevent cracking at stress points, htey rely on up-graded
> suspensions to keep all 4 on the ground.

A boxed frame will still flex, be it steel or aluminum. Here's a thought
to ponder. I know some guys take small wire or buzz box welders out on
the trail. It's sometimes possible to patch a cracked frame enough to
get home. But that's steel. How many guys take a TIG welder out on the
trail?

But hey, give it a go. Nothing like empirical testing... <G>

Jon

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TOPIC: Tarnow lathes?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c3da114c072ca535?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:26 pm
From: "Richard W."

"Dave H." <hopefuldave_doesnt_eat_spiced_ham@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6ixin.165879$8t3.538@newsfe29.ams2...
>
> "Richard W." wrote...
>>
>> If it's in good shape it not a bad lathe. The one's I ran were built in
>> the late 70's and early 80's. They seem to chatter easy on long shafts. I
>> think they needed more iron in the bed on the longer lathes. (20" swing
>> 10' centers) Seemed fine for chuck work though, which is most of what we
>> did on it. Can't say much about a small one like the one you are looking
>> at. It may be just fine. Although if I was in the market for a new lathe
>> they would be near the bottom of the list.
>>
>
> Thanks for the feedback, Richard, may I pick your brains a little more?
>
> I'd mostly be using it for work in the chuck, things like machining hubs
> and clutches I guess, and boring smallish castings on the carriage with a
> b/c boring bar, occasional work on driveshafts etc., it'd be an addition
> to my tools for working on / modifying motorcycles - I don't imagine I'm
> likely to be doing anything that would tax it too much :)

I think you would find it fine for that. I could take .400" out of 6" bore
running a .020 feed. Didn't even know it was cutting.

>
> I'd be interested to know why you'd put them at the bottom of the list,
> though - rigidity?

Rigidity for longer shafts. I have had 6" shafts chatter, yet the same shaft
in a different lathe cut just fine. The ways are narrow. Also the cross
travel is limited. In order to face a large part in one cut, you would have
to positition the tool just right in the cross slide travel. I didn't like
the electric clutch. For long heavy parts it engages to fast. Sounds like
they wouldn't be a problem for you. They seem to be a nice accurate lathe
otherwise. I don't remember the model, but one of these had a weak clutch.
It's been close to 20 years since I ran one of these lathes.

>
> While I think of it, it runs (as delivered from the factory) a 10HP
> 3-phase motor - reckon I'd get away with a lower-output VFD if I kept the
> cuts fairly light? 7.5KW VFD's cost an Imperial Arm and Leg (more than I
> can pick the lathe up for, anyway) as does getting the 'lectric co. to
> install 3-phase power, but here in the UK 3KW (4HP) are getting to be
> reasonable - and 10HP in a 12" swing lathe seems kinda generous anyway!
> I'm still at the stage of factoring in rental of a plant trailer and truck
> to tug it, new reinforced concrete base for the 'shop, 50 yards of heavy
> armoured cable, VFD etc. and want to keep the collateral damage to my
> wallet down...

I run a rotary phase on my lathe and it works just fine. That is what I
would get. I just got a 20 hp 3 phase motor that I plan to hook up to my 3
phase welder. But I am in no hurry since I lost my job.

Richard W.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:26 pm
From: "Dave H."

"Richard W." wrote ...
> "john" wrote...
>>
>> If you bolt the lathe to the concrete floor you can make it a lot moe
>> rigid. Also proper leveling makes a big difference. There is an art to
>> doing long thin parts without getting chatter, a steady rest or follower
>> rest being manditory.
>>
>
> True, but a lathe with wide ways helps a lot. Tarnows have narrow ways. At
> least the ones I have used.
>

Checking the spec' (translated as best I can from the original Polish, will
go see my Polish friend Mata if I get the manufacturer's handbook!), it
looks like the width of the ways on the smaller ones like this is about
equal to twice the centre height, and not having a bed gap might help
rigidity some? A new reinforced concrete floor (6" or 8" slab with top and
bottom steel mesh on insulation slab over compacted rubble and sand
blinding) is on the cards whatever I end up buying, and ragbolts into the
concrete would be wise, IMHO, to minimise vibration. I've seen machinery
dance across the floor when it hit resonant frequency, don't fancy 2 tons of
lathe chasing me out the door... 1/4 ton of rock'n'rolling ICL chain-printer
was bad enough.

>
>> I would not recommend using an underrated VFD. I would spring for a
>> single phase motor of about 5 hp or so and eliminate all your other
>> electrical problems. It would probably be cheaper in the long run and
>> would also make the lathe easier to sell.
>
> I would run a rotary phase. My P&W has a 7.5 HP motor and it works just
> fine.

I was thinking of a VFD as a measure of future-proofing as at some point I'd
like to add a smallish mill to the toolkit, and rotary convertors take a
fair amount of real-estate - not something I'm particularly blessed with
(SWMBO would rather have other luxuries and space for our motorcycles in the
Big Shed!) - and it looks like there's not a lot of difference on price. A
single-phase motor in that power bracket is probably going to cost more than
the VFD, too, and would still leave me with around half the original
horsepower and needing a rewire for the "shop" power...

I've seen a few smaller lathes run on "undersized" VFDs without too much of
a problem, and to be honest the lathe has speeds from 17 to 2800 RPM and
plenty in between straight off the motor, with drive clutches so the motor
would be able to spin up without the added mass / moment of the spindle and
workpiece? I appreciate that it might limit the amount of chips I could make
per minute, but this is for serious hobby use, not a production shop, and my
concern is more that runing the motor on an undersized VFD could cause
issues for the motor - not being an expert on induction motors (more optics,
RF and microwaves, really) I'm open to the collective wisdom of the group!

Thanks again,
Dave H.
--
(The engineer formerly known as Homeless)

"Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" -
Douglas Bader

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TOPIC: OT - Most states kick blue asse
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:30 pm
From: Harold Burton

In article <hm6njd$v23$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

> >
> >> look at the record . . .
> >
> >
> > I did, and it shows that the booming economy correlated with Republican
> > control of Congress and the tanking economy correlated with Democrat
> > control of Congress.
> >
> >
> > snicker.
>
> You're full of crap. Just look at the record of the economy under Bush
> and his republican congress.

I looked at the economy under the Republican Congresses (1995 until
2007). It boomed. After the DemocRATs seized control in 2007 the
economy started to tank.

Snicker.

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TOPIC: Gunlogix 102
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ddbce96971d01884?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:47 pm
From: "Scott"

"Zombywoof" <fishwings@live.com> wrote in message
news:j3elo517o5ohkqag2jjckij9hapo17tmut@4ax.com...

> So you are out for a night on the town, two men assault your fianc�e
> and you'll just get in your car & leave her -- I guess that will save
> you a trip to the alter.

You surely must know that you are arguing with idiots.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:48 pm
From: Tim Miller

Scott wrote:
> "Zombywoof" <fishwings@live.com> wrote in message
> news:j3elo517o5ohkqag2jjckij9hapo17tmut@4ax.com...
>
>> So you are out for a night on the town, two men assault your fianc�e
>> and you'll just get in your car & leave her -- I guess that will save
>> you a trip to the alter.
>
> You surely must know that you are arguing with idiots.
>

So are you, pinhead.

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TOPIC: Glenn Beck Is an AMERICAN PATRIOT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03ecfef2321238cb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:55 pm
From: "Scott"

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:NqydnQ-kH5g9ABTWnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

> Here is one that is not in question though. Bush said there ought to be
> limits to freedom
> http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/may99/052699a.htm well what are
> those limits, mr Bush?

Bush is no longer an issue, dumbass.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 5:58 pm
From: "Scott"

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:C-mdnf3gS65PRBTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

> Oh wait you killfilled me? I guess you can't tolerate people who have
> different views to you. I used to be a huge Obama fan but even then I
> never killfilled anyone who hated him. So I guess I like free speech more
> than you and I'm an Australian. I can't be bothered with the likes of you
> anymore, see you in the funny pages.

No one has to endure your bullshit, and you also have no obligation.

Why dont you stick to something you know even less about; like Australian
politics.

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TOPIC: Ask Not for Whom the Bell Tolls
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e28f01e35d28c845?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:02 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <q70rn59f203pf4djucf1v6j42mr57solth@4ax.com>,
Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:54:25 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> You want a furnace guy, not a plumber.
> >
> >Furnace guys fix frozen pipes ?
>
> Why did you freeze them?

Lay off that "medicinal" marijuana..

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TOPIC: Dear Sarah Palin
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/49995c2bf299dcdf?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:06 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <6ofqn590mc15us3b8rs6e5i77vrj04krkc@4ax.com>,
Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:18:50 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <31rln5dv1g7q7vn5t851fkljetmtcfq85r@4ax.com>,
> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:11:26 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <od9gn5pb869av90g6836ooic7dph1f79e7@4ax.com>,
> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:45:33 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <4j6dn55v4g8druvm6r90fm3avhhmjj22og@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:44:38 +0545, Kadaitcha Man <anon@no.email> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Forged post alert !!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > [quoted text muted]
> >> >> >> >[snip]
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Humour isn't your strong point, hey. So much so that you have to steal it
> >> >> >> >and post it, uncredited, to usenet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Uncensored?
> >> >> >> Posted what I got. Tough luck.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Comprehension isn't your strong suit is it Cliff.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >He said "uncredited"....not "uncensored"
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't let the draft from your ears blow your pointy foil hat off.
> >> >> http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bro/lowres/bron1054l.jpg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Time for school cliffy..
> >> >And don't lick the bus windows today will you ?
> >>
> >> I'm not the one that forges posts (thus lying even more).
> >
> >Forges posts ?
> >I don't do such a thing and would invite you to go right ahead and prove
> >your claim.
>
> Are you Kadaitcha Man?

Nope..

>
> >
> >> Did you "think" you'd not be noticed lying yet again?
> >
> >You lie in practically every post you make.
>
> Find those "WMDs" yet?

You have a macro for that don't you ?
You trot it out every time you are afraid

>
> >Cliff's Palin/football player fetish deleted..
>
> Too hard for you.

Nope.
I don't read leftist porno fantasies

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TOPIC: Vernier caliper accuracy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:10 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

Ed Huntress wrote:

>>Ah, I think I misunderstoood you. I thought you meant a piston shaped like
>>a beer barrel. Instead you mean a piston which is slightly elliptical when
>>viewed from the top or bottom?
>
>
> Yes. I wish I still had the 3D versions of those Ford programs that I
> produced in Rhino, for our promotional material on cutting elliptical
> pistons. I applied multipliers in Excel to the values in the CAD drawing
> until you could actually see the shapes with the naked eye.
>
> I don't want to confuse things, but they were shaped a lot lie beer barrels.
> <g> As I mentioned, there were three different ellipses from top to bottom,
> with major axes arranged differently, and the appearance from some angles
> was that they were widest in the middle.

Got it. I can see the shape now. That's complicated!

>>The thought I had about vibration only applies to a piston shaped like a
>>beer barrel. And if the piston expands to become a near-perfect cylinder
>>when it's heated, I can see why wear wouldn't be an issue either. Thanks!
>
>
> Yes, that's more or less what happens.

At least the concept sounds simpler :-)

Chris

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TOPIC: Gun nuts need psych tests, at least "obsessed" 0bama lovers do.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/11438d55184e2ddd?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:05 pm
From: "SaPeIsMa"

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:mz2in.57579$G_2.52091@newsfe15.iad...
> Seon Ferguson wrote:
>> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Y5-dnad-U6DpCxXWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@bright.net...
>>>
>>> "Jeff R." <contact@this.ng> wrote in message
>>> news:4b8847be$0$19545$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>> "RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hm9gso$9l9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>> The Constitution does not grant out any rights.
>>>>> It merely recognizes God-given rights of all humans, and expressly
>>>>> limits the right of government to deny or infringe those rights.
>>>>
>> Rights have to be fought for by the people. They are not given to us
>> by some supernatural deity. Throughout history humans have had to
>> fight for their rights and we still are...
>
> Where exactly do you get the right to fight for your rights?
>

Don't you have to go to city hall for a permit, to do that ?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:08 pm
From: "SaPeIsMa"

"Jeff R." <contact@this.ng> wrote in message
news:4b88c91e$0$6278$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com> wrote in message
> news:Y5-dnad-U6DpCxXWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@bright.net...
>
>> If you don't believe in God, then you can simply state that it's an inate
>> right that comes with life
>
> Don't be silly.
> There are no "innate" rights.
> You and I have no rights whatsoever - other than those granted by the
> society in which we live.
>

Sso if you don't live in a society, you do not have a right to life, and
just give up and die ?
And therefore, if some predator comes along, you don't have the right to
fight to stay alive, and just bend your neck to make it easier for the
predator ?
Look who's being silly

>> End result is the same even though the formulation is world's apart.
>
> Rubbish.
> Compare USA and N.Korea.
> Same end result?
>
> (or is God different there?)
>

Sonny, you're pissing so far up the rope, you believe there's yellow rain...

>> But hey, if you morons want to waste time splitting hairs, that's your
>> problem, not ours.
>
> Yeah - the ultimate question of creation, eternity and existence itself.
> "Splitting hairs."
>
> Ha!
>

Yes
Ha indeed.

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TOPIC: Harbor Freight Coupons
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:14 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Great coupons!

You can also download & print them at:

www.harborfreightusa.com/popmechanic

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TOPIC: Pawn Shop Bargains ...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:20 pm
From: cavelamb

Snag wrote:
> Wes wrote:
>> cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not here, Don.
>>> Prices are .9 Retail, at least.
>>>
>> That is the asking price. What is the selling price?
>>
>> Wes
>
> Heh , I got a glance of the tag when Greg pulled it off the nail gun I
> just bought . They were askin' 40 bucks , he offered it to me for 20 .
> Easily half of my power tools were purchased at this pawn shop , and they
> know it . They also know it's my first stop when I need something .
> I think I'm going to go with the HF battery drill , just not confident of
> used batteries . There's no way that I know of to test those battery packs ,
> at least with new I can get a warranty replacement if it's dead from the
> gitgo . Replacement batteries for the name brand tools can easily cost more
> than the tool ...

Or just take the battery pack to Interstate Battery (or who ever does that
near you) and have them rebuilt.

No where near as expensive as new ones!

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:21 pm
From: cavelamb

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:29:19 -0500, the infamous Wes
> <clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>
>> cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not here, Don.
>>> Prices are .9 Retail, at least.
>>>
>> That is the asking price. What is the selling price?
>
> In my experience, they usually say "That's my best price." so I laugh
> and hurry out the door, shaking my head.
>

I used to do the same thing.
I'd shop the pawn shops for entertainment value alone.
But I don't bother any more...

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: Need D1-4 Chuck, 4-Jaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ab53f8cc8f8128ee?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:26 pm
From: Ignoramus26630

On 2010-03-01, RogerN <regor@midwest.net> wrote:
> My cheapie Enco chuck had the teeth on one of the jaws break off and now
> it's pretty much useless unless I can get a replacement jaw.
>
> Any recommendations for a 4-Jaw chuck for a 13" South Bend lathe with D1-4
> Spindle? Bison? Ebay? Iggy's tool emporium?

http://www.shars.com/product_categories/search/?search=d1-4

Machine this and buy a plain chuck to go on it.

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TOPIC: Ping: Igor - re: High Voltage
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:27 pm
From: Ignoramus26630

Emailed, thanks a lot

On 2010-03-01, Monkey Butler <x@monkeybutler.com> wrote:
> Igor,
>
> For some reason it sticks in my mind that you have posted about
> playing with high voltage in the past. Is this of any use to you:
>
> http://www.monkeybutler.com/tmp/DSCF0001.jpg
> http://www.monkeybutler.com/tmp/DSCF0002.jpg
>
> If so it's yours for the shipping. Otherwise I'll offer it to the next
> person who can use it.
>
> I'm a little leary of ebaying something like this.
>
> Steve P.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:28 pm
From: Ignoramus26630

On 2010-03-01, Al A. <alanganes@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 2/28/2010 7:36 PM, Wes wrote:
>>
>>
>> Brain is weak tonight but is that a probe for checking 2nd anode voltage on a tv picture
>> tube?
>>
>> Wes
>
> That is one common use for those. That one plugs into a multimeter (or
> older, a VTVM) and gives you the ability to measure those sorts of
> voltages. I've used modern versions made for Fluke meters that go to
> 40KV. Most divide the measured voltage by 1000.
>
> Not something most of us need real often, but handy to have when you do.

It is also handy when I am not sure what exactly is the voltage.

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TOPIC: The Gunner News Agency
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:38 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 28, 11:14 am, Larry Jaques <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:21:35 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
> <buer...@buerste.com> scrawled the following:
>
> >"Larry Jaques" <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:hqjio5li54ocp139rrbrjnkua754fatli9@4ax.com...
> >> Damnit, Tawm. Fix your quoting, will ya? I just called you on a
> >> rangerssuck post. He's in my twit list (gee, wonder why) so I wouldn't
> >> have seen his post had you not quoted it.
>
> >Okey-dokey! I don't plonk often but today I killed Cliff, Curley, TMT and a
> >couple of others. I won't add to the noise anymore, it's senseless to feel
> >the libtard trolls, they'll never get it anyway.
>
> We'll try to hold you to this more tightly than we did the first
> couple time you said it. ;)
>
> Thanks, BTW.
>
> --
> Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both.
> --Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

*Snicker*

Of course he lies about the filtering...that is what a winger does.

It also gives us an unique view into his ethics...which tells us that
one should not trust him in a business transaction.

TMT

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:40 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 28, 3:10 pm, "Buerste" <buer...@buerste.com> wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:109lo51m3nis03gjdo77b8k8plmppkd6a3@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:21:35 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
> > <buer...@buerste.com> scrawled the following:
>
> >>"Larry Jaques" <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:hqjio5li54ocp139rrbrjnkua754fatli9@4ax.com...
>
> >>> Damnit, Tawm. Fix your quoting, will ya? I just called you on a
> >>> rangerssuck post. He's in my twit list (gee, wonder why) so I wouldn't
> >>> have seen his post had you not quoted it.
>
> >>Okey-dokey! I don't plonk often but today I killed Cliff, Curley, TMT and
> >>a
> >>couple of others. I won't add to the noise anymore, it's senseless to
> >>feel
> >>the libtard trolls, they'll never get it anyway.
>
> > We'll try to hold you to this more tightly than we did the first
> > couple time you said it. ;)
>
> > Thanks, BTW.
>
> > --
> > Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both.
> > --Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
>
> Relapses from recovery. Besides, too many things going on, work is busy,
> jobs around the house, guns to tune and ammo to make. I still have the
> catalog/webpage pix and copy to do, etc, etc,... Political bantering will
> have to take a back seat and spanking the libfarts is getting old. They're
> on their way back into obscurity anyway now that the public is hurting and
> blaming the libtards who aren't even trying to mask their Socialist/Marxist
> agenda anymore. Arrogant fucks!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...so it is starting to sink in that your actions here affect your
bottom line.

And they say that you can't teach old wingers new tricks.

TMT

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:44 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 28, 3:24 pm, "Buerste" <buer...@buerste.com> wrote:
> "John D." <johndsloc...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> news:652lo55pk822au8cqdc8kmpttp0fgo174i@4ax.com...
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>
>
>
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> > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:21:48 -0600, Don Foreman
> > <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:43:22 +0700, John D. <johndsloc...@invalid.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:06:26 -0800, Hawke
> >>><davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Gee, I can't wait. The signal to noise ratio certainly improves when
> >>>>> he's not around.
> >>>>> **************
>
> >>>>> But I need to pick his brain about my 1911, I'm at a standstill trying
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> figure out some issues.
>
> >>>>If your gun is a new one before you do anything else you need to break
> >>>>it in. That means you have to shoot at least a thousand and preferably
> >>>>2000 rounds of ball ammo through it. That's hardball ammo. Don't shoot
> >>>>anything but round nosed ammo until you break it in. After your gun is
> >>>>good and broken in then you can worry about SWC lead bullets, lower
> >>>>power recoil springs, and other things. If you haven't shot the gun
> >>>>enough to get it good and broken in then you're getting way ahead of
> >>>>yourself. Many times people have all kinds of problems with brand new
> >>>>1911s. They need to be shot a lot before you even think of going on to
> >>>>other things. Some 1911s are good to go right out of the box but many
> >>>>need a break in period. Shoot a thousand rounds or so of ball ammo and
> >>>>see what happens. Make sure you use Wilson Combat magazines too.
>
> >>>>Hawke
>
> >>>Question: Is this correct? I read various articles in gun magazines
> >>>about "breaking-in" guns but in my own experience, which stopped
> >>>abruptly in 1972, one bought a gun and it worked right out of the box
> >>>and if it didn't you took it back.
>
> >>>Certainly I never saw a 1911 that wouldn't function right out of the
> >>>box. Of course, the only 1911's in those days were either war-surplus
> >>>or made by Colt so I wonder; has manufacturing quality fallen that
> >>>far?
>
> >>>You break in your gun but not your automobile? Used to be 'tother way
> >>>round.
>
> >>>John D.
> >>>(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> >>I have several semiautos. One of them, a Browning Buckmark .22LR, was
> >>fussy about ammo at first. It's still a bit fussy after maybe 1500
> >>rounds, but less so. Another that is slightly fussy about ammo is a
> >>Colt 1911 Officer's which I got used. It appeared to have been carried
> >>a lot but seldom fired. It had a bit of holster wear but the action
> >>was and is tight as a tick. It's OK with factory ammo or handloads
> >>that aren't too mild. 5.6 grains of W231 behind 200-grain lead SWC's
> >>works well. That's a little lighter than Winchester White Box 230
> >>grain but not a lot. I have chrony data, too lazy to get my range
> >>notebook out.
>
> >>The rest of them, including the SA 1911 "loaded", are quite unfussy
> >>about ammo for reliable operation.
>
> >>A recoil-operated semiauto (which is about all of them) needs some
> >>"push back" from the shooter's grip to operate reliably. The inertial
> >>mass of the frame isn't enough to get that done in the heavier
> >>calibers. I've found .40S&W and .45ACP to be a bit more demanding
> >>about that than 9mmp and smaller. Tom, you mention that you have
> >>tender hands. Your problem might be that you're limpwristing your
> >>.45. Please ignore anyone who tries to spin that comment as an
> >>insult, it's merely a note from a fellow shooter. It matters
> >>considerably less with your XD 9mmp and not at all with a revolver but
> >>.40S&W and .45ACP require some starch in the shooter's grip. I had
> >>that problem early on with my first handgun after a hiatus of 40
> >>years, an XD .40. Figured it out after a couple hundred rounds,
> >>stiffened up a bit to fix it.
>
> >>I agree with Hawke about the Wilson Combat magazines I've had no
> >>issue with the Springfield mags but I've had better experience with
> >>Wilson than with the Colt mags for the 1911 Officer's.
>
> > Interesting. I bought one of the long barrel S&W model 41's when they
> > first came out. Shot it for a while and later cut the barrel off (just
> > before S&W did :-) and shot it for ten years or more. It worked right
> > out of the box and never missed a lick in all the time I was shooting
> > it. to the best of my recollection I never has a malfunction with it.
>
> > Your comment about the firm grip is very topical. Most beginning
> > shooters, shooting centerfire guns, have a lot of wrist movement. If
> > you watch an experienced shooter you can see that there is almost no
> > wrist movement. the shoulder moves back a bit and the arm moves up but
> > the wrist stays straight.
>
> > John D.
> > (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> It's how quickly can you get the sight picture back by distributing the
> recoil over more muscle and bone and have the muscle memory to compensate.
> Shooting follow-up shots with closed eyes tells a lot about grip issues.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

As a diabetic slowly goes blind, be able to shoot blind would be a
plus.

Of course it also means that your shooting days are quickly coming to
an end.

Better use of your time is to stop wasting time on Usenet and to start
studying Braille.

TMT

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