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* Failin' Palin fails to pay taxes on two houses she owns..........LOL! - 5
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* OT - The Lancet's Vaccine Retraction -- A medical journal's role in the
autism scare - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole - 8 messages, 6 authors
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* Yet another chain saw question - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Shock Absorbers (Dampers), again - 3 messages, 1 author
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* reversing contactors (or motor starters), let's dismantle and modify - 1
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* Hey Ed, that snow coming up your way? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* South Bend New Products in Grizzly Catalog Includes a SB 4x6 Bandsaw - 1
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* OT - Most states remain blue ...and sane. - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Failin' Palin fails to pay taxes on two houses she owns..........LOL!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/af53d8ce4d7352ca?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:12 pm
From: "Buerste"
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9d741a0b-bcde-448a-94d0-47c84623b1ea@d37g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 1:58 am, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:89960a3a-b9f4-4abd-8359-6f1f033ca35b@g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 11:44 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > It's not the property owner's fault if the assessor screws up - and
> > that's all that happened in the Palin case.
>
> >http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com-your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>
> LOL...poor deluded idiot.
>
> Why was the "error" in her favor?
>
> And now that the taxcheater is out of the bag...will Palin be willing
> to pay ALL the back taxes?
>
> Stay tuned.
>
> TMT
> ***************************************************
>
> Geithner-$25,970.00, Daschle-$100,000.00, Rangel-$75,000.00? and all the
> other libtards are REAL tax cheats, Palin owes $1.49 for hunting cabin
> structures made from sticks and mud.
> Tax cheats are OVERWHELMINGLY Demoturds! I'm surprised you'd bring this up
> as it is such an obvious Demoturd activity.
LOL...another conservative that needs a visit from the IRS auditor.
Did you know that anyone who turns you in gets a cut of the money
recovered?
And of course you have told us how great business is so we are talking
real money here.
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
*******************************************************
Any time you like, I will send you my accounting firm's name and number
along with out IRS contact. However, if no discrepancy is found, you will
forfeit the $10,000 that you will put in an escrow account before you start
this folly and you will pay any fees needed by my accounting firm. Agreed?
See, that's the difference between people like me that don't ever cheat and
libtards that ALWAYS cheat. Google "morals" some day and read up on the
subject.
No, I STILL won't hire you, you could never be trusted, you have no skills
and my people would refuse to work with a non-productive employee. Even the
union wouldn't allow you a job here.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:41 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Feb 5, 2:18 pm, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"
<old_redn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 5, 12:44 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > It's not the property owner's fault if the assessor screws up - and
> > that's all that happened in the Palin case.
>
> Not exactly. It's a lot more involved than that.
>
> http://www.adn.com/palin/story/1125241.html
>
> These are not backcountry hunting shacks.
>
> They are TWO big houses, two-stories each, with big worshops, garages,
> saunas, and other outbuildings.
>
> Probably built by the same contractor who built the Wasilla Sports
> Complex as a favor to Sarah for awarding the Sports Complex to him.
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com-your source for hard-to-find stuff!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
My guess too.
Sarah is a dirty, dirty girl.
Can't wait for her to run for President.
It will be a Republican bloodbath.
TMT
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:46 pm
From: "Morton Davis"
"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:XYudnUOCvsuP5_HWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Henway wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 11:25 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 5, 12:26 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 11:44 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's not the property owner's fault if the assessor screws up - and
>>>>> that's all that happened in the Palin case.
>>>
>>>>> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com-yoursource for hard-to-find stuff!
>>>
>>>> LOL...poor deluded idiot.
>>>
>>>> Why was the "error" in her favor?
>>>
>>>> And now that the taxcheater is out of the bag...will Palin be
>>>> willing to pay ALL the back taxes?
>>>
>>>> Stay tuned.
>>>
>>>> TMT
>>>
>>> And the interest on that money...
>>>
>>> Isn't Palin getting 100K for her Pea Party speech?
>>>
>>> TMT- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Given to charity.
>
> No, donated - to Sarah Pac.
>
PROVE IT.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:56 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Feb 5, 6:12 pm, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9d741a0b-bcde-448a-94d0-47c84623b1ea@d37g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 5, 1:58 am, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:89960a3a-b9f4-4abd-8359-6f1f033ca35b@g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 4, 11:44 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > > It's not the property owner's fault if the assessor screws up - and
> > > that's all that happened in the Palin case.
>
> > >http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com-yoursource for hard-to-find stuff!
>
> > LOL...poor deluded idiot.
>
> > Why was the "error" in her favor?
>
> > And now that the taxcheater is out of the bag...will Palin be willing
> > to pay ALL the back taxes?
>
> > Stay tuned.
>
> > TMT
> > ***************************************************
>
> > Geithner-$25,970.00, Daschle-$100,000.00, Rangel-$75,000.00? and all the
> > other libtards are REAL tax cheats, Palin owes $1.49 for hunting cabin
> > structures made from sticks and mud.
> > Tax cheats are OVERWHELMINGLY Demoturds! I'm surprised you'd bring this up
> > as it is such an obvious Demoturd activity.
>
> LOL...another conservative that needs a visit from the IRS auditor.
>
> Did you know that anyone who turns you in gets a cut of the money
> recovered?
>
> And of course you have told us how great business is so we are talking
> real money here.
>
> Laugh..laugh..laugh..
>
> TMT
> *******************************************************
>
> Any time you like, I will send you my accounting firm's name and number
> along with out IRS contact. However, if no discrepancy is found, you will
> forfeit the $10,000 that you will put in an escrow account before you start
> this folly and you will pay any fees needed by my accounting firm. Agreed?
>
> See, that's the difference between people like me that don't ever cheat and
> libtards that ALWAYS cheat. Google "morals" some day and read up on the
> subject.
>
> No, I STILL won't hire you, you could never be trusted, you have no skills
> and my people would refuse to work with a non-productive employee. Even the
> union wouldn't allow you a job here.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I will save you the cost of the stamp.
Post the information here so we can all make share in the spoils.
So go ahead...put up or shut up winger.
We're ALL waiting....
TMT
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:02 pm
From: <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>
"Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:XYudnUOCvsuP5_HWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Henway wrote:
>>> On Feb 5, 11:25 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 5, 12:26 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 11:44 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> It's not the property owner's fault if the assessor screws up - and
>>>>>> that's all that happened in the Palin case.
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com-yoursource for hard-to-find stuff!
>>>>
>>>>> LOL...poor deluded idiot.
>>>>
>>>>> Why was the "error" in her favor?
>>>>
>>>>> And now that the taxcheater is out of the bag...will Palin be
>>>>> willing to pay ALL the back taxes?
>>>>
>>>>> Stay tuned.
>>>>
>>>>> TMT
>>>>
>>>> And the interest on that money...
>>>>
>>>> Isn't Palin getting 100K for her Pea Party speech?
>>>>
>>>> TMT- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Given to charity.
>>
>> No, donated - to Sarah Pac.
>>
>
> PROVE IT.
Stop shouting, idiot.
As for proving it, there's really no need.
She said herself that she was putting it back into "the cause".
And she *is* the cause.
>
>
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TOPIC: OT - The Lancet's Vaccine Retraction -- A medical journal's role in the
autism scare
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:12 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"
"Eregon" <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9D16B05827B4FEragon@74.209.131.10...
> dav1936531@nowhere.invalid wrote in
> news:41som51a4bqoovr0gpeu5ffvicr6gvg3j4@4ax.com:
>
>> On 05 Feb 2010 18:03:00 GMT, Eregon <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The best thing to do with hemophiliacs is to let them bleed to death
>>>_before_ they pass along that genetic defect.
>>
>> This is exactly the eugenics attitude and goal that the drug companies
>> followed when they knowingly distributed the tainted blood factor
>> medicines they had produced. Normal people generally view this as
>> murder.....not that you are normal.
>> Dave
>>
>
> You're quite wrong in both of your ass/umptions, Davy Boy.
>
> Only YOU mentioned anything resembling "treatment". <grin>
>
> In an over-populated world such as ours, there are lots of things that we
> can all do without: queers, hemophiliacs, "progressive elements" (an old
> Soviet euphemism), crooks, gang-bangers, malaria, cancer, Greenies, etc.
Fortunately for the sake of the republic, the conservatives are going to
start pushing their end of the life expectancy scale downward. It's been
discovered that sausage gravy and chicken-fried steak are direct links to
massive heart attacks. Wisely, the medical researchers are keeping it close
to the vest. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:34 pm
From: falk@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
In article <4b699781$0$4990$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
Existential Angst <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>Hormones, PGs, et al have powerful effects in concentrations as low as
>10^-12 molar, poss. even 10^-13 -- which are dilutions that are hard to even
>comprehend. True, not 10^-23, but even 10^-7 (1 part per 10,000,000) is
>homeopathic, imo.
Yes, but homeopathy works in concentrations like 10^-60 or even 10^-400
for the really "powerful" stuff.
Also, things that work in very low concentrations still work through
understood and tested mechanisms. AFAICT, homeopathy seems to work
on the theory that water has memory of having interacted with other
chemicals, and when dilluted, have the opposite effect, *and* that
opposite effect becomes even stronger with more dillution.
Further, homeopathy has no clinical studies behind it that show
it to work beyond the placebo effect, and plenty of clinical
studies that show that it does *not* work.
>Hope you enjoy your kids never ever ever ever being able to move out of your
>house -- assuming they aren't already autistic..
And once again, the vaccine-autism link has finally been dismissed once
and for all.
--
-Ed Falk, falk@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:46 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:51:47 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
<nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:46:11 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>
>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:40:56 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>>>> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:55:11 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>>>>>> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw one exec claim that there were something like 8 confirmed
>>>>>>>> defective parts (pedal pivots dragging or sticking) out of 2
>>>>>>>> million.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Toyota brand has killed or injured more people in the last
>>>>>>> decade wih this defect than every other maunfacturer combined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That seems highly unlikely. Got any cites?
>>>>>
>>>>> NPR here in LA had an hour on this last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> SHAPIRO: What, specifically, is the committee looking at here?
>>>>>
>>>>> LANGFITT: Well, they're asking for lots of documents. And what
>>>>> they've said, is they want to know when Toyota and the National
>>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration first learned about these
>>>>> potential safety problems and what they did to investigate and try
>>>>> to resolve them. Now the committee said this in a statement, I'm
>>>>> kind of quoting here, our government figures show nearly twice as
>>>>> many people died in Toyotas from sudden acceleration problems in
>>>>> the last decade than in cars from all other automakers combined. So
>>>>> thats another thing theyre really very interested in, is the number
>>>>> and the volume and how many of those are Toyotas.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.npr.mobi/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123098947.
>>>>
>>>> Well, there you go. The guy said he was "kind of quoting", and I
>>>> can't find anything to back up his recollection.
>>>
>>> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/defects/
>>
>> J.R.C. (above): "The Toyota brand has killed or injured more people
>> in the last decade with this defect than every other manufacturer
>> combined."
>>
>> By posting a link to the NHTSA site, are you trying to say that one
>> can find evidence of your assertion there?
>
>You can get the testimony of any hearing, reports and a lot of other
>information.
Sure. But the data needs to be mined, and I don't see how that mining
could ever support Lingfiit's claim. Obviously the Times felt the need
to qualify their conclusion, since there couldn't be NTSB-level
investigations of most of the accidents. And even if there had been,
those investigations could at best only point to possible
accelerator-issue involvement.
>>Then why not post the link
>> to that search, or at least the details of how you or Langfiit arrived
>> at your conclusion?
>
>He attended the hearings as part of his job. That is why he was on the
>show - to share his observations.
>He's a responsible journalist with a good record and my experiance with his
>reporting has indicated that he's truthful.
I don't doubt that, but his statement that he was "kind of quoting"
shouldn't count for much unless he or you can show the actual results
of the data mining.
>>Why do you suppose that the LA Times, who
>> apparently mined the same data, didn't get the same results? And why
>> do you think that they used the very qualified phrase "related to
>> possible sudden acceleration", while you were able to be so
>> definitive?
>
>I'd post the material, it's one ot the links on the page references, but
>can't open the file on this computer.
>I get a "corrupt file" message.
>I know why that is an it's not the file, it's this box and the software
>product combination running on it.
>I'll publish it here when I'm able.
>I'm working a project on the base at Pendleton and only have this box with
>me.
>I'm only posting at all through a VPN, something I learned to be sure and
>set up after my first trip to Iraq.
By now there's no question that the situation has been exaggerated,
and we're only at the beginning of what promises to be the mother of
all be-vewwwy-afraid hype bonanzas. I'm looking forward to seeing any
factual evidence you have in order to estimate how much exaggeration.
In the meantime, here are some previews of the types of issues that
will be generated. http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cjm_18.htm
http://www.autosafety.org/audi-sudden-acceleration Last line of the
second article: "In closing the investigation, one factor NHTSA relied
upon was the fact that there had been three recalls and a service
campaign attempting to correct the human factors design errors;
87V-008, 87V-009, and 87V-170. None of these recalls eliminated sudden
acceleration in the Audi 5000." And it will be the same this time,
because when you have millions of vehicles, it's predictable that a
small percentage of their drivers will perform some interesting tricks
with them, and then try to blame the car. In fact, it would be a
miracle if there *weren't* hundreds of attempts to blame the car.
BTW, the initial reports of "possible medical issues" in the runaway
vehicle example I quoted yesterday have been revised.
http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&subsectionID=1&articleID=35990
I mention that to point out how subjective these reports can be. And
check out the comments... there's already speculation about the
Pontiac Vibe being subject of the recall. I wonder what the driver's
defense will be based on? <sigh>
Wayne
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:40 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"
wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:51:47 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:46:11 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>>> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>>
>>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:40:56 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>>>>> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:55:11 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>>>>>>> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I saw one exec claim that there were something like 8
>>>>>>>>> confirmed defective parts (pedal pivots dragging or sticking)
>>>>>>>>> out of 2 million.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Toyota brand has killed or injured more people in the last
>>>>>>>> decade wih this defect than every other maunfacturer combined.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That seems highly unlikely. Got any cites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NPR here in LA had an hour on this last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SHAPIRO: What, specifically, is the committee looking at here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LANGFITT: Well, they're asking for lots of documents. And what
>>>>>> they've said, is they want to know when Toyota and the National
>>>>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration first learned about these
>>>>>> potential safety problems and what they did to investigate and
>>>>>> try to resolve them. Now the committee said this in a statement,
>>>>>> I'm kind of quoting here, our government figures show nearly
>>>>>> twice as many people died in Toyotas from sudden acceleration
>>>>>> problems in the last decade than in cars from all other
>>>>>> automakers combined. So thats another thing theyre really very
>>>>>> interested in, is the number and the volume and how many of
>>>>>> those are Toyotas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.npr.mobi/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123098947.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there you go. The guy said he was "kind of quoting", and I
>>>>> can't find anything to back up his recollection.
>>>>
>>>> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/defects/
>>>
>>> J.R.C. (above): "The Toyota brand has killed or injured more people
>>> in the last decade with this defect than every other manufacturer
>>> combined."
>>>
>>> By posting a link to the NHTSA site, are you trying to say that one
>>> can find evidence of your assertion there?
>>
>> You can get the testimony of any hearing, reports and a lot of other
>> information.
>
> Sure. But the data needs to be mined, and I don't see how that mining
> could ever support Lingfiit's claim.
It isn't either his claim or mine.
It's something that was given in testimony at the hearings he attended.
I should have poined that out in my original post.
--
John R. Carroll
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TOPIC: OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:16 pm
From: "William Wixon"
"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> Agreed, my intrest is in finding data that gives a clear picture of how
>> much revenue
>> in the form fica and medicare taxes is being lost due to exporting jobs,
>> i havent been
>> able to find any data and am wondering if anyone is even tracking it.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Tom.
>
> You really won't find any data, Tom. What you'll find is endless
> arguments.
>
> This happens to be exactly what I'm working on right now. Based on my
> first attempt to track this down around five years ago, my guess is that
> it will take me at least six or seven months of steady research before I
> have anything worth saying about it -- and I know I won't have a clear
> answer, even then.
>
> The issue is the net effect, in terms of jobs, types of jobs, and incomes
> going both ways.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
you saying that ed makes me wonder if ANYBODY knows, if this is yet another
massive uncontrolled experiment. they were just going on ideology when they
started this instead of having any idea how it was going to turn out.
b.w.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:23 pm
From: Wes
"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>But there never was any place to *store* the money. Everyone knew from the
>start that this is how it would work. That's why many of us laugh when we
>hear about the "trust fund."
>
And some of us are outraged that our federal government misrepresented how FICA was used
to finance a government that had un-sound financial policies.
I'm only p*ss*ed, I knew the screw was on for a long, long time.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:31 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:b_-dnYU-1ofnMfHWnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>> news:HNGdnbi2SIvEDfHWnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> azotic wrote:
>>>> A report from the Congressional Budget Office shows that for the
>>>> first time in 25 years, Social Security is taking in less in taxes
>>>> than it is spending on benefits.Instead of helping to finance the
>>>> rest of the government, as it has done for decades, our nation's
>>>> biggest social program needs help from the Treasury to keep benefit
>>>> checks from bouncing -- in other words, a taxpayer bailout.
>>>>
>>>> Social Security will be $28 billion in the hole this fiscal year,
>>>> which ends Sept. 30.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/02/news/economy/social_security_bailout.fortune/index.htm
>>>>
>>>> Exporting jobs finally shows results...............
>>>
>>> Hey Tom, this was known to be on the horizon.
>>> The Treasury doesn't need to help anyone because the huge surplus's
>>> will now
>>> be used, as intended, to cover benefit payments.
>>> The downturn in our economy has certainly reduced revenues, and that
>>> needs
>>> to be adressed but SS will NEVER, and isn't able to borrow money.
>>> Taxes can
>>> go up and benefit payments can be reduced but that's about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> John R. Carroll
>>>
>>>
>>
>> SS can not borrow money, but they can require the General Fund of
>> the US government to start repaying the IOU's it gave SSA for all
>> the extra money that SS had over the years. Unfortunately that
>> money has already been blown by Congress, so we will get tax
>> increases to pay back the money they borrowed from the taxpayers.
>
> But there never was any place to *store* the money. Everyone knew
> from the start that this is how it would work. That's why many of us
> laugh when we hear about the "trust fund."
Yeah, it isn't even a drawer.
Somewhere on a computer there is a file recording movement od dollars from
column A to column B and back again.
--
John R. Carroll
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:35 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"
"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:hkicg7$15h$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>But there never was any place to *store* the money. Everyone knew from the
>>start that this is how it would work. That's why many of us laugh when we
>>hear about the "trust fund."
>>
>
> And some of us are outraged that our federal government misrepresented how
> FICA was used
> to finance a government that had un-sound financial policies.
>
> I'm only p*ss*ed, I knew the screw was on for a long, long time.
>
> Wes
With all due respect, Wes, they never hid how it works. People just didn't
pay attention. This was all thoroughly explained and vetted back in the
'80s, when Greenspan was selling an increase in the FICA rate to Congress.
This is a complicated government. Its finances work astoundingly well, and
it's not at all hard to understand the basics. But most people don't bother
to look into it, and wind up being suspicious and paranoid about the whole
thing.
There are so many cheap-shot ways to criticize it that Congress generally
keeps pretty quiet about it. But they don't hide it. That's unfortunate in
several ways, one of which we're paying for now: it's given the Tea Partiers
a whole string of cheap-shot arguments.
I'm sure that most of them don't know how it all works. And they're counting
on most of the country not knowing how it works. That's how they get people
worked up and angry -- by selling them a bunch of baloney, playing on their
suspicions and their lack of understanding. That's what creates paranoia.
--
Ed Huntress
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:49 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:hkicg7$15h$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> But there never was any place to *store* the money. Everyone knew
>>> from the start that this is how it would work. That's why many of
>>> us laugh when we hear about the "trust fund."
>>>
>>
>> And some of us are outraged that our federal government
>> misrepresented how FICA was used
>> to finance a government that had un-sound financial policies.
>>
>> I'm only p*ss*ed, I knew the screw was on for a long, long time.
>>
>> Wes
>
> With all due respect, Wes, they never hid how it works. People just
> didn't pay attention. This was all thoroughly explained and vetted
> back in the '80s, when Greenspan was selling an increase in the FICA
> rate to Congress.
>
> This is a complicated government. Its finances work astoundingly
> well, and it's not at all hard to understand the basics. But most
> people don't bother to look into it, and wind up being suspicious and
> paranoid about the whole thing.
>
> There are so many cheap-shot ways to criticize it that Congress
> generally keeps pretty quiet about it. But they don't hide it. That's
> unfortunate in several ways, one of which we're paying for now: it's
> given the Tea Partiers a whole string of cheap-shot arguments.
>
> I'm sure that most of them don't know how it all works. And they're
> counting on most of the country not knowing how it works. That's how
> they get people worked up and angry -- by selling them a bunch of
> baloney, playing on their suspicions and their lack of understanding.
> That's what creates paranoia.
My Mom and I are watching Beck every evening. It's becoming a sort of past
time.
She actually records his and Smith's daily broadcasts so we can watch it
together.
LOL
A couple of days ago Beck displayed and then explained his "Debt Clock".
He got a bunch of stuff right and then at the end added that the US had an
unfunded liability of $75 Trillion dollars.
Yep, you guessed it - Social Security. I paused the playback and explained
how rediculous this was and also that it just isn't, and couldn't be, true.
She got it right away, especially the part about either raising taxes or
reducing benefits to correct any imbalance.
OK, she's an MLS from Michigan State but if a woman in her 80's suffering
from the early symptoms of either senile dementia or Ahlziemer'scan wrap her
head around the actual truth, anyone ought to be able to do the same.
Apparently, Glenn Beck, Wes and a huge percentage of the population are
unable to be as rational as my 80 something mother.
--
John R. Carroll
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:20 pm
From: cavelamb
William Wixon wrote:
>
>
> you saying that ed makes me wonder if ANYBODY knows, if this is yet another
> massive uncontrolled experiment. they were just going on ideology when they
> started this instead of having any idea how it was going to turn out.
>
> b.w.
>
>
Kinda scary, isn't it...
--
Richard Lamb
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:27 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"
"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:5Y2dnfxBrYkxJfHWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:b_-dnYU-1ofnMfHWnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>> news:HNGdnbi2SIvEDfHWnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> azotic wrote:
>>>>> A report from the Congressional Budget Office shows that for the
>>>>> first time in 25 years, Social Security is taking in less in taxes
>>>>> than it is spending on benefits.Instead of helping to finance the
>>>>> rest of the government, as it has done for decades, our nation's
>>>>> biggest social program needs help from the Treasury to keep benefit
>>>>> checks from bouncing -- in other words, a taxpayer bailout.
>>>>>
>>>>> Social Security will be $28 billion in the hole this fiscal year,
>>>>> which ends Sept. 30.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
> http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/02/news/economy/social_security_bailout.fortune/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Exporting jobs finally shows results...............
>>>>
>>>> Hey Tom, this was known to be on the horizon.
>>>> The Treasury doesn't need to help anyone because the huge surplus's
>>>> will now
>>>> be used, as intended, to cover benefit payments.
>>>> The downturn in our economy has certainly reduced revenues, and that
>>>> needs
>>>> to be adressed but SS will NEVER, and isn't able to borrow money.
>>>> Taxes can
>>>> go up and benefit payments can be reduced but that's about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John R. Carroll
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> SS can not borrow money, but they can require the General Fund of
>>> the US government to start repaying the IOU's it gave SSA for all
>>> the extra money that SS had over the years. Unfortunately that
>>> money has already been blown by Congress, so we will get tax
>>> increases to pay back the money they borrowed from the taxpayers.
>>
>> But there never was any place to *store* the money. Everyone knew
>> from the start that this is how it would work. That's why many of us
>> laugh when we hear about the "trust fund."
>
> Yeah, it isn't even a drawer.
> Somewhere on a computer there is a file recording movement od dollars from
> column A to column B and back again.
>
> --
> John R. Carroll
And the bottom line is that the dollars were spent, as they had to be.
There's no sock to put them in. There is no big pot of money. There's
nothing else to do with them except to use them to pay down the national
debt.
Which Clinton did, to a modest degree. What drives me crazy is that Bush II
and Reagan kept spending in deficit even when the economy was climbing!
--
Ed Huntress
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 6:16 pm
From: "azotic"
"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:AL-dnfxDdfZHIfHWnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> My Mom and I are watching Beck every evening. It's becoming a sort of past
> time.
> She actually records his and Smith's daily broadcasts so we can watch it
> together.
> LOL
> A couple of days ago Beck displayed and then explained his "Debt Clock".
> He got a bunch of stuff right and then at the end added that the US had an
> unfunded liability of $75 Trillion dollars.
> Yep, you guessed it - Social Security. I paused the playback and explained
> how rediculous this was and also that it just isn't, and couldn't be,
> true.
> She got it right away, especially the part about either raising taxes or
> reducing benefits to correct any imbalance.
>
> OK, she's an MLS from Michigan State but if a woman in her 80's suffering
> from the early symptoms of either senile dementia or Ahlziemer'scan wrap
> her
> head around the actual truth, anyone ought to be able to do the same.
> Apparently, Glenn Beck, Wes and a huge percentage of the population are
> unable to be as rational as my 80 something mother.
>
> --
> John R. Carroll
>
Just curious, did beck explain how he came up with $75 trillion dollars ?
Best Regards
Tom.
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TOPIC: Yet another chain saw question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a889c4ddae796f05?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:35 pm
From: Gerald Miller
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 05:11:38 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
<kb1dal@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 5, 12:54 am, Gerald Miller <grmil...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> When the motor on my 12" Remington let out a bit of smoke, I spent
>> $3.00 on a NIB 16" which, at the next issue of smoke, I transplanted
>> onto my 12" sprocket nose bar, giving the longer bar and chain to
>> second son as spares for the $3.00 Poulan "parts machine" I equipped
>> him with the year before.
>> Gerry :-)}
>> London, Canada-
>
>I patched up cheap used chain saws for years until an ice storm
>convinced me that a good dependable one is essential emergency
>equipment.
>
>Still running a ~1955 lawn mower, though.
>
>jsw
I still have a brown Lawnboy mower but haven't run it for a while -
someday I want to investigate if those supposedly magnesium decks
really will burn. I bought it for $15.00 in 1968 and both the older
boys earned enough with it to buy themselves very nice bikes, of
course I had to do the maintenance on it, but they paid for the fuel.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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TOPIC: Shock Absorbers (Dampers), again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/06dd45b7e61ac2e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:41 pm
From: Tim Wescott
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:30:47 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:
> It seems a bit confusing, when you stated in an earlier post that the
> gate is a scissors-type gate, and they're normally opened and closed
> horizontally (not vertically).
>
> I wouldn't consider lifting something of that length and weight to be a
> safe (or practical) method of entry/exit.
And you call yourself "Wild" Bill...
First, it came that way, and second, it's counterbalanced with springs.
There's not much load out on the end of it, but if it's going fast when
it hits the stop it sure makes a bang.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:43 pm
From: Tim Wescott
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:10:18 -0800, pdrahn@coinet.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 8:03 am, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
>> A 120 pound gate, 18 feet long and 3 feet high, hinged at one of the
>> lower corners and supported by a damper that is pivoted to the top
>> corner and working at a 45 degree angle, puts a 510 pound load on the
>> damper _just_ to keep the gate still -- decelerating the gate takes
>> even more load, to the tune of 1700 pounds if you want to close the
>> gate in one second (that's assuming constant deceleration over 45
>> degrees in 1/2 second).
>>
>> (I decided I didn't want to close it that fast).
>>
>> Anyone who suggested a fire-door damper -- where can I find one that'll
>> support a ton?
>>
>> --www.wescottdesign.com
>
> Tim, there is a place NW of Redmond that has a heavy steel gate with a
> similar pivoting scheme. He has a chain drive an an electric motor to
> raise and lower the thing. It is not 18 ft long, but is still pretty
> heavy.
>
> Could you construct a similar mechanism for your gate?
Yabut. We're far enough out in the boonies that we lose power at least
once every winter, and the power line from the shop to the gate is hosed
and needs to be replaced -- I not only need a round tuit, I need to rent
a @#$% ditch witch _and_ figure out where the old line is.
So whatever else it does, it has to work manually, at least sometimes.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 4:52 pm
From: Tim Wescott
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:32:43 -0800, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> On Feb 5, 11:03 am, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
>> A 120 pound gate, 18 feet long and 3 feet high, hinged at one of the
>> lower corners and supported by a damper that is pivoted to the top
>> corner and working at a 45 degree angle, puts a 510 pound load on the
>> damper _just_ to keep the gate still -- decelerating the gate takes
>> even more load, to the tune of 1700 pounds if you want to close the
>> gate in one second (that's assuming constant deceleration over 45
>> degrees in 1/2 second).
>>
>> (I decided I didn't want to close it that fast).
>>
>> Anyone who suggested a fire-door damper -- where can I find one that'll
>> support a ton?
>>
>> --www.wescottdesign.com
>
> The damper on the forklift-sized fire door I was thinking of doesn't
> support any weight at all, the hinges do that.
>
> If this gate is statically balanced the only energy the dampener has to
> absorb came from the person shutting it.
And I have very energetic children with very undamped enthusiasm.
The gate is partially balanced with springs, but you can shut (or open)
it by pulling it just over center then letting go -- it gets up quite a
head of steam by the time it hits a stop.
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TOPIC: reversing contactors (or motor starters), let's dismantle and modify
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4f3822614b1ad2e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:04 pm
From: Bruce L. Bergman
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:02:57 -0500, dave <tool_box@weirdstuffcox.net>
wrote:
>Stuart Wheaton wrote:
>...
> >
> If you only need one side,
>> you could just ignore the second set of poles and consider it a spare
>> standby contactor, ready to be swapped in with just a few minutes work.
>
>YEAH! now THATS'S what I like to hear. :-) (seems it's as I suspected),
>but I sure *DO* appreciate the confirmation
>
>thanks stuart, and thanks to U 2 william :-)
AFAICT it's a "Forward" coil and contactor and a "Reverse" coil and
contactor in the same case, with both electrical interlocking contacts
(to break the other side's coil) and a mechanical linkage between the
two sides, to make doubly sure they can't both pull up at the same
time.
Don't touch anything, just disconnect the cross-over wiring and use
it as a single. The first time it burns a contact you can steal a set
of fresh contact points out of the other side. Second time, you go
get a rebuild kit.
They use the same basic setup as a Delta-Wye "Soft Start" contactor,
with an auxiliary contact or two to handle the Delta-Wye shorting of
the Wye point connections. They use them a lot on frequently started
motors like hydraulic elevator pumps.
--<< Bruce >>--
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TOPIC: Hey Ed, that snow coming up your way?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5da3fd42a63375e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:22 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"
"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:hkic3l$tn1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>I was a bit touched you worried about me when the storm was on up my way a
>month or two
> back. Now I'm concerned about you and yours. What does it look like at
> your end? Sounds
> like you are going to get dumped on in a place that really doesn't
> understand how to deal
> with snow.
>
> Hope your pantry is stocked up.
>
> Wes
It hasn't started yet -- any minute now. But the latest report shows it
passing mostly to the south of us. Atlantic City may wind up with two feet.
We probably won't get more than 6 inches.
My son, however, just got clobbered. (He's in Lexington, VA, in the
Shenandoah Valley.) They really aren't used to that much snow. They have a
foot and they're getting up to another foot.
Anyway, I just cut up two chickens (and cooked some skinless breasts in
cream and mushroom sauce); I have a three-pound piece of fresh salmon in the
'fridge; ten round steaks, a chuck roast, and four center-cut pork chops in
the freezer; five pounds of potatoes and lots of other vegetables and other
stuff.
Let it snow. <g> I'm baking a pumpkin pie and I'll make some cornbread in a
few minutes. And thanks for asking, Wes. We actually have good, and quick
snow removal here. And my neighbor has a truck with a big plow on it. I've
got it made.
--
Ed Huntress
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TOPIC: South Bend New Products in Grizzly Catalog Includes a SB 4x6 Bandsaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c396e7ad33ab5f5e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 5:53 pm
From: "Michael Koblic"
<stans4@prolynx.com> wrote in message
news:7cd58628-62db-479c-994c-9a27d2b5de7e@w3g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 5, 12:21 pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wild_Bill wrote:
>> > There are a lot of SB products in the Grizzly catalog, including some
>> > which look a lot like some familiar/common Chinese products, only
>> > different.
>>
>> > The price isn't shown for the SB 4x6 bandsaw, noting that it will be
>> > available in March.
>>
>> Sounds like SB sold their soul to the Chinese devils
>
> Since SB hasn't been anything but a trademark for many years, it's
> more probable that the holder decided to cash out to the highest
> bidder.
>
I have been monitoring their web site. They led me to believe that they will
be restarting production in US with a number of new items. However, their
small lathes have been perpetually marked as "coming soon".
Disappointing...
--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC
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TOPIC: OT - Most states remain blue ...and sane.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d00573543954f95d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 5 2010 6:06 pm
From: Winston_Smith
Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>OT - Most states remain blue ...and sane.
And bankrupt. Two thirds of states are in the red. And most of them
are blue.
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