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TOPIC: Does anyone still use lantern toolposts
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/eb00303924b64ae5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 3:51 pm
From: David Billington

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "David Billington" <djb@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4b6a027c$0$2476$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>
>> Ignoramus14738 wrote:
>>
>>> I was just wondering if anyone who has a lathe capable of using a
>>> quick change toolpost like Aloris, would still have any reason to ever
>>> need a lantern toolpost.
>>> My feeling on this matter, without knowing too much, is that lantern
>>> toolposts are obsolete and quick change is the way to go, and there is
>>> never a reason to use these old style tools.
>>>
>>> Would there be anyone who disagrees with this.
>>>
>>> i
>>>
>>>
>> I've been machining stuff, mostly as an amateur, since about 1977-1978
>> when I did metal shop in junior high when I was 12- 13 and have only used
>> lantern tool posts in the US. Been living in the UK since 1982 and the
>> lantern types always seemed a PITA and have never needed one for anything
>> I've done in the last 28 years. Apart from indexing 4 way toolposts that
>> needed shimming I've almost always used Dickson type toolposts in the UK
>> or IIRC the Swiss type fitted to some UK Hardinges which have a similar
>> height adjustment. Both my current lathes have Dickson or Bison knock off
>> toolposts.
>>
>> The main odd ball toolpost attachment I've run across was a local
>> machinist that had a Bridgeport M head fitted to the cross-slide of his
>> lathe. He had the head and had a requirement for a helical passage on a
>> hydraulic heat exchanger. The heat exchanger comprised a heavy wall tube
>> with one fluid flowing down the centre and another in the helical outer
>> passage, it had a shaeth. He used a lathe about 20" - 24" IIRC and mounted
>> the Bridgeport M head on the carriage and then did thread cutting as
>> normal, with a very coarse pitch, but with a milling head doing the
>> cutting. Impressive and worked a treat.
>>
>
> When I was involved with a machine shop, back in '73 - '78, we mounted a
> Bridgeport J head, vertically, onto the bed of our Sheldon 1710H NC lathe.
> We rigged a table on the cross-slide and used it to mill batches of parts,
> 24 in a setup, IIRC, under control of the Bendix 5 NC. Programming was an
> interesting trick. <g> But it worked very well, and I wrote an article about
> it for _NC Shopowner_ magazine.
>
> We couldn't afford a CNC mill yet. That came a couple of years later.
>
>

Shame you don't, or haven't, posted pictures, that would be interesting
to see.

This chap, it was his shop, unfortunately had a bit of a distrust of
things electrickery and had no DROs on any tools, he had a couple of
mills that would have benefited from them. When he was attending one of
my neighbours party, old friends from Stottert & Pitt, he popped round
to check out the Sony DRO reading on my BP against the dials, spot on,
but he had a distrust, a real shame.He was claimed prematurely by
cancer. He specialised in spline cutting, keyways, gears. He ran a
number of Fellows gear shapers. His only foray into CNC that I'm aware
of was the acquisition of an old CNC Beaver mill with Fanuc control and
4th axis that was used to do an order for prime number master gears. I
think he knew his stuff but in that case he was hoping for help from
his computer literate son that helped but didn't want to take on the
business.

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TOPIC: Math site
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dfbc9ccffca533fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 3:52 pm
From: Frank Warner

In article <4b68aad9$0$22548$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Existential Angst
<UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:

> "Frank Warner" <warnerf@verizonDOTnet.net> wrote in message
> news:020220101316295513%warnerf@verizonDOTnet.net...
> > In article <v6sl37-mr32.ln1@news.infowest.com>, Steve B
> > <deserttraver@fishmail.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm pretty good with algebra and trig. Yet, sometimes, I get stumped, or
> >> would just like to take the easy way out.
> >>
> >> I had a site on my old computer that computed distance around an arc by
> >> entering the length of the siatta and the flat measurement between the
> >> ends
> >> of the arc.
> >>
> >> Anyone remember that sits?
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> > The Circle Calculator:
> >
> > http://www.1728.com/circsect.htm
> >
> > -Frank
> >
> > --
> > Here's some of my work:
> > http://www.franksknives.com/
>
> Nice math site.... altho I wonder if people with enough smarts to want to
> solve geometry problems would go for those bullshit diet/exercise ads....
> And ackshooly, they would!
>
> Nice knives!! That Mammoth tooth/magnesium for $977.77.... can I get it
> for $977.75??

LOL! It was originally $777.77 just to be a smart-ass. But, in spite of
what I told you in my email, my wife DID update the site about a year
ago and, unknown to me until a few days later, she raised all my
prices!

-Frank

--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/

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TOPIC: Strange feed arrangement on this South Bend lathe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5a1ee8a5e92d751c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 3:59 pm
From: Wes

Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:

>Jim Stewart wrote:
>> http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/1581681281.html
>That's a variable speed gearmotor drive, for taking long finishing cuts
>on things. I might guess this lathe was used for making pool cues or
>something like that.
>
>Hardinge lathes have a similar scheme from the factory.
>
>Jon

And on my uncles 1887 or so lathe, his power feed.

http://wess.freeshell.org/usenet/rec.crafts.metalworking/uncleslathe1.jpg

Here is him finishing off a Green Mountain barrel into a barrel liner on same ancient
lathe.

You gotta love his steady rest ;)

http://wess.freeshell.org/usenet/rec.crafts.metalworking/uncleslathe2.jpg

Wes

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TOPIC: weight & quality Emcoturn
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fdce7df5ba954992?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:10 pm
From: Wes

"Karl Townsend" <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>Sometime in the not terribly distant future I'll be living in a two bedroom
>condo. I need to make plans now or I'll go nuts with no projects.

Forgive me if I have you confused but don't you own an apple orchard?

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:35 pm
From: Pete Keillor

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:10:15 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:

>"Karl Townsend" <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Sometime in the not terribly distant future I'll be living in a two bedroom
>>condo. I need to make plans now or I'll go nuts with no projects.
>
>Forgive me if I have you confused but don't you own an apple orchard?
>
>Wes

Yeah, I thought "Is he retiring, or just looking for a more permanent
setup in the winter?" I guess you need something to do when it's not
fishing weather. I know this is not my favorite time of year for
fishing here in Texas, although my brother tears up the reds in deep
holes in the river in the winter. It's actually against the law to
pick up specks which turn to cordwood in the cold snaps such as last
month.

Pete Keillor

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TOPIC: Not all 12x30 lathes are created equal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/965ad3b681db4113?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:18 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:03:18 -0600, Ignoramus26563
<ignoramus26563@NOSPAM.26563.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-02-03, Ned Simmons <news@nedsim.com> wrote:
>> I'm currently working on modifications and accessories for several P&W
>> machines that probably date to the 1940s, but are still running
>> production in a modern plant.
>
>Is there any parts support for them?
>

Not to my knowldege. One of the first things I did on these machines
was to document some of the parts that are no longer available from
the last of my customer's scrapped machines.

--
Ned Simmons

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TOPIC: If you need some good reading
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/917e0671d2729497?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:19 pm
From: "Existential Angst"

"Ignoramus26563" <ignoramus26563@NOSPAM.26563.invalid> wrote in message
news:44idnTKxVIVgJPTWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Really great website.
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/dannympwillems/home

Looks like a strong-assed lathe, very muscular. Really nice.
I couldn't even *think* of starting a project like that!
--
EA
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:12 pm
From: Ignoramus26563

On 2010-02-04, Existential Angst <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
> "Ignoramus26563" <ignoramus26563@NOSPAM.26563.invalid> wrote in message
> news:44idnTKxVIVgJPTWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Really great website.
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/dannympwillems/home
>
> Looks like a strong-assed lathe, very muscular. Really nice.
> I couldn't even *think* of starting a project like that!

Looks very solidly built.

They had similar lathes in Russia, called 16K20.

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/16k20-Lathe.jpg

I believe that a 16x40 inch 16k20 weighs almost three metric tons.

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TOPIC: insulate a pipe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ac01bac05c1a861d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:39 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

The black foam that HVAC tubing uses, should work. For a
while.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Karl Townsend" <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote in
message
news:4b69fc72$0$65850$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
I'm putting a thermostat on my landlord's solar hot water
heater. It has
about one foot of exposed copper pipe at the top of the
unit. I'd like to
put the sensor there. It sits out in the south Florida sun
and salt air.

What insulating material would hold up to this environment?

Karl

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:42 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:45:07 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
<karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>I'm putting a thermostat on my landlord's solar hot water heater. It has
>about one foot of exposed copper pipe at the top of the unit. I'd like to
>put the sensor there. It sits out in the south Florida sun and salt air.
>
>What insulating material would hold up to this environment?
>

Do you mean the insulation on the sensor's lead wires? Teflon has good
UV resistance.

--
Ned Simmons

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TOPIC: Obama's Train Wreck of a Town Hall in Ohio
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b25aa221089ce47f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:55 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hkclcc$1ns$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>> 0bama's a loser. In case you stupid libs can't comprehend that, let me
>> say it in your own language, 0bama's a looser.
>>
>> He accomplished nothing, zero. A democrap President with a democrap
>> majority, still blaming Bush, still blaming Republicans. He should just
>> tattoo a giant "L" on his forehead.
>>
>> Always trying to compare himself to Bush. Too bad Bush couldn't run
>> again, even though the stupid ass libs voted for 0bama because they
>> thought it was their only hope to finally beat him. Google is a wonderful
>> historian, go back and look at all of the "he's our only hope of beating
>> Bush" posts. 0bama leads the party of losers.
>>
>> This is the year of the Republicans. 0bama is finished. That's all she
>> wrote and both of TMT's mommies are singing. Quite loudly, I must add.
>
>
> People might believe you if you actually supported at least some of the
> claims you make. But, damn, you make all kinds of claims and not a one of
> them has a single fact to back it up. Obama is a loser you say. But the
> facts say he has won every step of his life. Did great in college. Did
> great in law school.

You make all kinds of claims but offer zero to back them up. You are another
zero like 0bama. Sounds like 0zero actually had poor grades and was accepted
into law school based on affirmative action quotas. What were his "great"
grades in college school? What were his great grades in law school?

> Got to be a U.S. senator.

Easy enough in Illinois, if you want the job and are willing to suck cock.
Illinois is not known for their high standards for politicians.

> Got to be president of the U.S. Gee, the facts say he's a hell of a
> winner. You say the opposite. But you got not one fact, boy. You're just
> wishing.

He got to be a zero President by hypnotizing a bunch of zeros like you. He
accomplished nothing, ran the country into the ground, can't even get his
own party top agree with him on anything, and failed to deliver on any of
his promises. A big loser zero, yet you sit there telling everyone what a
success he is. You haven't mentioned a single accomplishment of the big
loser zero since he's been President. He's the zero President and you have
nothing to back up any of your claims of success.

>
> Obama has had one year in office and you say he's finished. As usual, not
> a fact in sight. Year of republicans you say? They are minorities in both
> houses and the president is a Democrat. What are the republicans going to
> accomplish this year? I say nothing. They only have the power to block
> things. That's not doing anything positive, which they never do. So the
> facts say you have nothing. But go ahead and keep on making your wild
> claims. Nobody with a brain believes a word you say. When you have some
> facts get back to me.
>
> Hawke

0bama's through. He's a lame duck. He's done nothing positive and will never
accomplish anything worth any mention. His pages in history will be filled
with question marks and zeroes. Your only argument for 0bama is to claim
that he's no worse than the democrats and Republicans in the House. Great
accomplishment! The big loser zero. Just like you, you took your best shot
at trying to convince the group that 0bama is not a zero, and you failed.
You're a big zero too.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:58 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hkcofj$605$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>> Being smart is useless if you can't manage people.

Or if you can't manage your quoting properly. So that makes you a loser like
0zero.

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TOPIC: Oh Look...They Have Parents..Who Would Have Guessed?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/91f7e2c68f4a7e79?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 4:59 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9de8f0b5-425a-47fa-921e-222eadf9fae2@x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 10:57 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:47e3e3a2-609b-400c-8edf-3b5251efaaf7@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 2, 7:37 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:9ff68fc2-b81a-44ee-b6d3-b3b9c7c3ce34@b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Looks like our Bible thumping Baptist child trafficers have a lot of
> >> > explaining to do.
>
> >> Maybe the Baptists should have stayed home and let the devil
> >> worshipping
> >> libs beg 0bama to kill them quickly, after not helping them.
>
> > More likely they made a deal with the Devil taking the lead from Pat
> > Robertson.
>
> I'm sure that when the truth comes out, we will find that the parents of
> those children probably begged the Baptists to take their kids away from
> that hellhole.

/The truth has come out..the Bible thumpers were stealing children and
/they got caught.
/
/They have admitted it.
/
/They have credible witnesses to confirm it.
/
/TMT

And what were you doing? How many people did you pull out of the rubble?
How many children did you care for or send to an orphanage? Or do you just
sit in judgment of others that are doing what they can to help in a crisis?
You condemn those trying to help, what have you done to help the earthquake
victims?

RogerN

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:05 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9de8f0b5-425a-47fa-921e-222eadf9fae2@x6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 2, 10:57 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:47e3e3a2-609b-400c-8edf-3b5251efaaf7@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Feb 2, 7:37 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:9ff68fc2-b81a-44ee-b6d3-b3b9c7c3ce34@b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > Looks like our Bible thumping Baptist child trafficers have a lot of
>> >> > explaining to do.
>>
>> >> Maybe the Baptists should have stayed home and let the devil
>> >> worshipping
>> >> libs beg 0bama to kill them quickly, after not helping them.
>>
>> > More likely they made a deal with the Devil taking the lead from Pat
>> > Robertson.
>>
>> I'm sure that when the truth comes out, we will find that the parents of
>> those children probably begged the Baptists to take their kids away from
>> that hellhole.
>
> The truth has come out..the Bible thumpers were stealing children and
> they got caught.
>
> They have admitted it.
>
> They have credible witnesses to confirm it.
>
> TMT

Yet when your two fat ugly lesbo mommies stole you and locked you in the
basement of their whore house, you didn't complain since it was such a big
step up from the other whore house you were born in. You grew accustomed to
it and grew to like it. To this day you continue to live there and drill
peep holes into the ceiling, and post nonsense on the fat one's computer. Or
is tit the ugly one's?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:29 pm
From: Sidney Lambe

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> Subject: Re: Oh Look...They Have Parents..Who Would Have Guessed?
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> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:57:16 -0600, Some KKKowardly Nazi wannabe
> KKKlown called Burled Frau" <achtung(AT)jawol.jah> fart the
> following FUD:
>
>
>
>>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools(AT)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:47e3e3a2-609b-400c-8edf-3b5251efaaf7(AT)p23g2000vbl.google
>>groups.com...
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 7:37 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...(AT)jawol.jah>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...(AT)yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>
>>>> news:9ff68fc2-b81a-44ee-b6d3-b3b9c7c3ce34(AT)b10g2000vbh.goo
>>>> glegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> > Looks like our Bible thumping Baptist child trafficers
>>>> > have a lot of explaining to do.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the Baptists should have stayed home and let the devil
>>>> worshipping libs beg 0bama to kill them quickly, after not
>>>> helping them.
>>>
>>> More likely they made a deal with the Devil taking the lead
>>> from Pat Robertson.
>>
>>
>>I'm sure that when the truth comes out, we will find that the
>>parents of those children probably begged the Baptists to take
>>their kids away from that hellhole.
>
> And what, precisely, does your KKKowardly KKKlown stupid ass
> think that might have to do with anything at all? FYI, KKKlown,
> "Here's $50, give your kids, we'll take good care of them,
> honest" is the very epitome of ILLEGAL CHILD TRAFFICKING.
>
> Not to mention, your ignorant KKKowardly KKKlown stupid goober
> ass is every bit as correct as usual. Turns out the idiot
> Baptist hypocritical imbeciles went door to door asking parents
> to give up their children.
>
> The simple fact, simpleton, is the Baptist boobs LIED their
> ignorant, superstitious asses off and are still lying today.
> Witness, witless...
>
> ------
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/31/eveningnews/main61607
> 17.shtml
>
> Baptist Group Accused of Child Trafficking
>
> By Bill Whitaker
>
> Thirty-three Haitian children, from two months to 12 years in
> age, are safe tonight in a Port-au-Prince orphanage, recovering
> from what authorities here call a child trafficking scheme.
>
> "They were desperate; they were thirsty," said George Willeit
> of the group SOS Children's Villages. "There were also babies
> who were dehydrated."
>
> Across town, 10 American Baptists sit in jail accused of
> trying to spirit the children out of the country. The group
> was arrested at the Dominican border Friday night. They had no
> documents for the children when asked at the border.
>
> But Laura Silsby a leader of the church group, said they had
> been told by several people, including Dominican authorities,
> that they could simply take the children across.
>
> The Americans, most from two churches in Idaho, say they were
> trying to save children orphaned by the earthquake. Some of the
> children tell a different story.
>
> "An elder girl, she might be eight or nine years old, told us
> crying, 'I am not an orphan. I do have parents. I thought I was
> going to boarding school or to summer camp,'" Willeit recalled.
> ------
>
> "...desperate...thirsty...dehydrated...?" Wow, nice rescue,
> Baptist boobs. You sure know how to take care of kids. Not only
> are they still lying their filthy hypocritical asses off, the
> Baptist morons abused the very kids they claim they were trying
> to protect.
>
> Here's yet MORE Baptist hypocrite lies...
>
> ------
> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HaitiEarthquake/haitian-judge-rule-ch
> ild-trafficking-charges-americans/story?id=9724145
>
> The Americans have defended their actions, saying the paperwork
> was confusing and that they did not know the rules. But
> Anne-Christine d'Adesky, a journalist who was nominated for a
> Pulitzer Prize for her reporting in Haiti, said she told the
> missionaries they could be regarded as traffickers if they
> tried to cross the border without the proper documentation.
>
> "I really have to let you know that you are very likely to
> be stopped at the border, and you may even be in trouble,"
> d'Adesky said she told the Americans. ... D'Adesky said she
> warned the missionaries the night before they entered Haiti.
> But, she said, Silsby and her colleagues chose to ignore that
> warning.
>
> "They really felt like it was the Lord's intention they would
> be successful," d'Adesky said.
>
> ------
>
> OOPS! One more asinine rightarded lie blown all to hell by
> REALITY. Now, KKKowardly Nazi wannabe KKKlown, your lying
> racist shit licker stupid goober ass was saying...
>
> --- Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep
> right. ------ Why are so many not smart enough to know they're
> not smart enough?
>
> http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf © 1999 by
> the American Psychological Association December 1999 Vol. 77,
> No. 6, 1121-1134
>
> Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing
> One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
>
> Justin Kruger and David Dunning Department of Psychology
> Cornell University
>
> ABSTRACT: ...the authors found that participants scoring in
> the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic
> grossly overestimated their test performance and ability.
> Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile,
> they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.

??????

Sid

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:02 pm
From: Peter Principle

On 4 Feb 2010 02:29:36 +0100, Sidney The Shit Licking KKKowardly Lambchop
<sidneylambe@nospam.invalid> foolishly farted:

>On alt.guns, Peter Principle <petesfeats(AT)SNIPITgmail.com> wrote:
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:40:23 -0600
>> From: Peter Principle <petesfeats(AT)SNIPITgmail.com>
>> Newsgroups: misc.survivalism,rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.guns
>> Subject: Re: Oh Look...They Have Parents..Who Would Have Guessed?
>> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:49:43 -0600
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>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>If it is worth posting, it is worth archiving.

Hee hee hee hee hee, hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo, ho ho ho ho ho, ha ha ha ha ha...

Hey, shit licking KKKowardly maroon luser, have you not figured out that 99%
of humanity, just like 99% of users here, consider your KKKowardly shit
licking stupid luser racist ass as something to be carefully wiped off of
the bottom of one's shoe, lest one accidentally get some on one?

How terribly proud your shit licking KKKowardly ass must be! And boy, howdy,
obviously your insignificant stupid racist trailer trash impotent little
pricklet ass sure has scared the bejeebus out of me!

<snort>

As far as you know, luser KKKoward...

Tell me, KKKoward, how does it feel to KNOW that calling you slime is an
insult to slime everywhere? Tell me, KKKoward, you're hell on "outing" other
people. Why is it your KKKowardly hypocritical stupid racist impotent little
ass feels the need to hide in the digital bushes? Other than the fact that
you're a bat shit crazy KKKowardly insignificant little prickelt, of course.
Well?

<tap, tap, tap>

But hey, everyone knows repeating the same failed action over and over and
over again, each time expecting a different outcome, is a sure sign of
sanity and intelligence, right, you stupid motherfucker?

Feeling smarterer, now, are you, shit licking KKKowardly KKKweer?

BTW, you fucking IDIOT , thanks ever so much for leaving the no archive
command that you're too fucking STUPID to know is honored ANYWHERE in the
body of the text.

Well played, that! Bravo! Yooz shore izza strategical-type jeen-yus, yooz
izza, insignificant little racist pricklet.

And now, though it's far too subtle and gentle for a true POS ignorant
racist stupid asshole impotent little pricklet like you...

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we
say in Texas, you couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions
printed on the heel. You are a canker, an open wound. I would rather
kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You took your last vacation in
the Islets of Langerhans.

You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little
worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a
cad, and a weasel. I take that back; you are a festering pustule on a
weasel's rump. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench,
a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same
species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at
the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut.
Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are
a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. You are a technicolor yawn.
And did I mention that you smell?

You are a squeaking rat, a mistake of nature and a heavy-metal bagpipe
player. You were not born. You were hatched into an unwilling world
that rejects the likes of you. You didn't crawl out of a normal egg,
either, but rather a mutant maggot egg rejected by an evil scientist
as being below his low standards. Your alleged parents abandoned you
at birth and then died of shame in recognition of what they had done
to an unsuspecting world. They were a bit late.

Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting
to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a
nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able
to access it ever so much more rapidly. If cluelessness were crude
oil, your scalp would be crawling with caribou.

You are a thick-headed trog. I have seen skeet with more sense than
you have. You are a few bricks short of a full load, a few cards short
of a full deck, a few bytes short of a full core dump, and a few
chromosomes short of a full human. Worse than that, you top-post. God
created houseflies, cockroaches, maggots, mosquitos, fleas, ticks,
slugs, leeches, and intestinal parasites, then he lowered his
standards and made you. I take it back; God didn't make you. You are
Satan's spawn. You are Evil beyond comprehension, half-living in the
slough of despair. You are the entropy which will claim us all. You
are a green-nostriled, crossed eyed, hairy-livered inbred
trout-defiler. You make Ebola look good.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid,
nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an
ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with
you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in
a land that reality forgot. You are not ANSI compliant and your markup
doesn't validate. You have a couple of address lines shorted together.
You should be promoted to Engineering Manager.

Do you really expect your delusional and incoherent ramblings to be
read? Everyone plonked you long ago. Do you fantasize that your
tantrums and conniption fits could possibly be worth the $0.000000001
worth of electricity used to send them? Your life is one big
W.O.M.B.A.T. and your future doesn't look promising either. We need to
trace your bloodline and terminate all siblings and cousins in order
to cleanse humanity of your polluted genes. The good news is that no
normal human would ever mate with you, so we won't have to go into the
sewers in search of your git.

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and
obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living
emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a
loathsome disease, a drooling inbred cross-eyed toesucker. You make
Quakers shout and strike Pentecostals silent. You have a version 1.0
mind in a version 6.12 world. Your mother had to tie a pork chop
around your neck just to get your dog to play with you. You think
that HTTP://WWW.GUYMACON.COM/FUN/INSULT/INDEX.HTM is the name of a
rock band. You believe that P.D.Q. Bach is the greatest composer who
ever lived. You prefer L. Ron Hubbard to Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle. Hee-Haw is too deep for you. You would watch test patterns
all day if the other inmates would let you.

On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are
deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of
wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted.
Spammers look down on you. Phone sex operators hang up on you.
Telemarketers refuse to be seen in public with you. You are the source
of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.
May you choke on your own foolish opinions. You are a Pusillanimous
galactophage and you wear your sister's training bra. Don't bother
opening the door when you leave - you should be able to slime your
way out underneath. I hope that when you get home your mother runs
out from under the porch and bites you.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock.
You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted
boggish foot-licking half-twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You
gormless crook-pated tosser. You bloody churlish boil-brained clotpole
ponce. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You cockered
bum-bailey poofter. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You
dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. May your
spouse be blessed with many bastards.

You are so clueless that if you dressed in a clue skin, doused yourself
in clue musk, and did the clue dance in the middle of a field of horny
clues at the height of clue mating season, you still would not have a
clue. If you were a movie you would be a double feature;
_Battlefield_Earth_ and _Moron_Movies_II_. You would be out of focus.

You are a fiend and a sniveling coward, and you have bad breath. You
are the unholy spawn of a bandy-legged hobo and a syphilitic camel.
You wear strangely mismatched clothing with oddly placed stains. You
are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just knowing that
you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go
away. You are jetsam who dreams of becoming flotsam. You won't make
it. I beg for sweet death to come and remove me from a world which
became unbearable when you crawled out of a harpy's lair.

It is hard to believe how incredibly stupid you are. Stupid as a stone
that the other stones make fun of. So stupid that you have traveled
far beyond stupid as we know it and into a new dimension of stupid.
Meta-stupid. Stupid cubed. Trans-stupid stupid. Stupid collapsed to
a singularity where even the stupons have collapsed into stuponium.
Stupid so dense that no intelligence can escape. Singularity stupid.
Blazing hot summer day on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one
minute than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. It cannot
be possible that anything in our universe can really be this stupid.
This is a primordial fragment from the original big stupid bang. A pure
extract of stupid with absolute stupid purity. Stupid beyond the laws
of nature. I must apologize. I can't go on. This is my epiphany of
stupid. After this experience, you may not hear from me for a while.
I don't think that I can summon the strength left to mock your moronic
opinions and malformed comments about boring trivia or your other
drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped
away most of your of what you wrote, because, well ... it didn't
really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was
pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a
load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after
you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more
success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal"
people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering.
But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this
world who find these things to be difficult. If I had known that this
was true in your case then I would have never have exposed myself to
what you wrote. It just wouldn't have been "right." Sort of like
parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the
emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a
demand on you.

P.S.: You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful,
cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable,
belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal,
fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic,
brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame,
self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent,
libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, EDLINoid,
illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking,
devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic,
fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased,
suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim,
crazy, weird, dyspeptic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim,
unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive,
mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive,
abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, and Generally Not Good.

I hope this helps...

---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:08 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dfojm5t8984cc6t4a7eo1n09k4ku3nc0on@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:01:56 -0500, Kasim Sulton <Utopia@bass.gov>
> wrote:

>
>>Just because YOU came out the wrong hole when born, means nothing.
>
> Humans can only come out of one "hole". But as you use such immature
> terms for a body orifice I could see how you're ignorance and
> prejudice would confuse you.

TMT wasn't born, he was shat. And his daddy was a turkey baster full of
sloth sperm. That explains it pretty well, doncha think?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:10 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Feb 3, 6:59 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
. That is all the talk about tort reform is,
> it's a way to avoid addressing the real problem.
>
> Hawke

That is what I said. Pass tort reform and then Congress will have to
address the problem realistically.

Or don't pass tort reform and spend years trying to pass healthcare
reform.

Dan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:22 pm
From: "William Wixon"

<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:7b112d34-ea65-410b-bc32-d2f7b5658972@b35g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 3, 6:59 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
. That is all the talk about tort reform is,
> it's a way to avoid addressing the real problem.
>
> Hawke

That is what I said. Pass tort reform and then Congress will have to
address the problem realistically.

Or don't pass tort reform and spend years trying to pass healthcare
reform.

Dan

pass campaign finance reform and they'd have to deal with tort reform and
pass health care reform.

b.w.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:22 pm
From: Hawke

>>>> Why don't you tell me how many businesses print magazines telling
>>>> their members/employees how to vote.
>>> Little raptor, where did you go?
> ....
>> Just face it, unions have little power compared to business. Workers
>> have little power compared to management. What, you didn't know that?
>> Haven't you every worked for a company before? Didn't you understand who
>> was the boss and who called the shots?
>
> Umm, the UAW UNION now owns part of GM because the Resident Obama told
> the CORPORATE lenders to step away from the money that was owed them -
> throwing overboard FEDERAL law. Why? Because unions carry great sway
> politically which is what this thread is about.

The deal that the UAW has with GM has nothing to do with how much
political power the unions have compared to what business has. But I
know why you avoided that. Union power compared to business power is
small, to say the least.

> The recent rulling gives corporations and nonprofits equal footing
> politically with the UNIONS who are in the driver's seat driving the
> nation into communism. (What else would you call the unlawful seizing
> of the stock of GM by the proletariat other than communism?)

Come off of it. Business was in the driver's seat before this ruling and
you know it. This increased it's power so the inequality between unions
and business is increased on the side of business. This was a win for
business and no one else. Would you like to have some of that pre
takeover GM stock? You know, the stock that was going to be worth
nothing when GM went bankrupt. Face the facts, GM was going bankrupt and
only the government intervention stopped that. When the government saved
GM's ass it was entitled the power to make decisions for the failed
company. But for some reason you're calling saving a company on the road
to bankruptcy Communism? Better do some reading up on the subject.

>> But you never put it together
>> that business did the same thing with elections? Not very aware of
>> things, are you?
>
> Actually it's the opposite of what you describe. Unions were at the
> head of the line. Corporations and nonprofits were't allowed to be in
> line in the last 60 days of an election.

Don't you know why corporations were not allowed to contribute to
elections 60 days before they hold them? It's because they have way too
much power and if you want a fair election they can't jump in at the
last minute with unlimited money to throw the election any way they
want. Now they can. You call that a win for the people. You have some
kind of problem with your thinking. More power went to the corporations.
You may not realize it but that just reduced your civil rights.
Actually, I'm sure you don't have any idea what you have lost. But
you'll find out.

Hawke

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:33 pm
From: Harold Burton

In article <hkd7gu$ot0$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

> The deal that the UAW has with GM has nothing to do with how much
> political power the unions have...

must be why the unions got themselves exempted from the tax on Cadillac
health care plans.

snicker.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:00 pm
From: awthrawthr

On Feb 3, 7:22 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> >>>> Why don't you tell me how many businesses print magazines telling
> >>>> their members/employees how to vote.
> >>> Little raptor, where did you go?
> > ....
> >> Just face it, unions have little power compared to business. Workers
> >> have little power compared to management. What, you didn't know that?
> >> Haven't you every worked for a company before? Didn't you understand who
> >> was the boss and who called the shots?
>
> > Umm, the UAW UNION now owns part of GM because the Resident Obama told
> > the CORPORATE lenders to step away from the money that was owed them -
> > throwing overboard FEDERAL law. Why? Because unions carry great sway
> > politically which is what this thread is about.
>
> The deal that the UAW has with GM has nothing to do with how much
> political power the unions have compared to what business has.

Do you think the UAW was there at the table because they won a random
drawing?? You are quite naive. They were there to snap up the stock
for pennies on the dollar with no other bidders able to make their
offer for the same owndership for only one reason. Resident Obama
needs the UAW.

> But I
> know why you avoided that.
Actually I redirected the conversation back to what the thread is
about. It is not for the Congress to decide whether Unions or
Corporations has more power, and then try to equalize it by
restricting one or the other from speaking their mind regarding
elections.

In the US each party gets to express their views freely. No governemnt
entity gets to referee who spends more or who supposedly has more
say.

>Union power compared to business power is
> small, to say the least.

So you say. I say otherwise. The difference is you want the government
to intervene on one side of the argument. That's plainly not the
American way.

> > The recent rulling gives corporations and nonprofits equal footing
> > politically with the UNIONS who are in the driver's seat driving the
> > nation into communism. (What else would you call the unlawful seizing
> > of the stock of GM by the proletariat other than communism?)
>
> Come off of it. Business was in the driver's seat before this ruling and
> you know it.

No I don't know that. The example I gave provides a compelling
argument to support my side of the argument.

But even if I were wrong, it is NOT the American way for the Congress
to handicap one side or the other.

> This increased it's power so the inequality between unions
> and business is increased on the side of business. This was a win for
> business and no one else. Would you like to have some of that pre
> takeover GM stock?

I believe that in a fair and open resolution, anyone who wanted to
would have been allowed to bid for ownersip rather than allowing
Resident Obama decide. Allowing the ROTUS to decide corporate
ownership is Fascist.

Again, the facts of that case is that Corporate owners of the debt
were made to step aside while a UNION swept in to get the stock IN
FRONT of the lendors. That was completely illegal, btw.

The White House threatened the lendors that they would be destroyed if
they didn't take the deal. This occurred two days after Scare Force
One flew over Wall Street, sharing the shit out of thousands of wokers
who had gone through 9/11, so the threat was well placed.

You know, the stock that was going to be worth
> nothing when GM went bankrupt. Face the facts, GM was going bankrupt and
> only the government intervention stopped that. When the government saved
> GM's ass it was entitled the power to make decisions for the failed
> company. But for some reason you're calling saving a company on the road
> to bankruptcy Communism? Better do some reading up on the subject.

You are clueless regarding federal bankrupcty law. So let me educate
you. No, the president doesn't get to decide who the new owners will
be. Nor does it get to threaten lenders to step aside. So we have
examples of Communism and Fascism in the deal.
>
> >> But you never put it together
> >> that business did the same thing with elections? Not very aware of
> >> things, are you?
>
> > Actually it's the opposite of what you describe. Unions were at the
> > head of the line. Corporations and nonprofits were't allowed to be in
> > line in the last 60 days of an election.
>
> Don't you know why corporations were not allowed to contribute to
> elections 60 days before they hold them? It's because they have way too
> much power and if you want a fair election they can't jump in at the
> last minute with unlimited money to throw the election any way they
> want. Now they can. You call that a win for the people. You have some
> kind of problem with your thinking. More power went to the corporations.
> You may not realize it but that just reduced your civil rights.
> Actually, I'm sure you don't have any idea what you have lost. But
> you'll find out.

I've already found out that giving unions the power to advertise while
others cannot can result in those unions taking over ownership of GM.

You want the government to decide which organizations can participate
in our elections and which ones can't. Ever read Animal Farm? Do you
know the expression "Some animals are more equal than others?" You
should be because that is the policy you wanted to keep in force.

>
> Hawke

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 5:55 pm
From: "Robert Swinney"

How did your recent cruise go? If you ever commented re. it on RCM, I missed it.

Bob Swinney

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:50 pm
From: "Steve B"

I did an enlightening thing today. I was in a distant city in a far off
galaxy, and they sold Husqvarns saws. I stopped in and asked.

The man who has forgotten more than I know about chain saws says I can go
with a 18", but not a 20".

One can learn a lot by observing, and by asking the man.

Steve

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:53 pm
From: "Steve B"

How bout chain saw sharpening tricks?

I saw an EZ Lap bit today. Diamond studded. $6. I got one. After that,
it's just the right angle, and having your rakers at the right height.

I can sharpen a dull knife with my 2" x 4" EZLap stone in less than two
minutes, and that is frightfully sharp.

Steve

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 6:57 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Leon Fisk" <lfisk@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote in message
news:2dijm5hjjivgul5ns0q2i53d6nq1m92o21@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:30:59 -0500, Pete Snell
> <snell-p@rmc.ca> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>Lotsa good suggestions here, but I would check to make sure the tank
>>vent is clear before proceeding....
>>
>>Pete
>
> Didn't see it suggested yet, make sure the exhaust is clear.
> Mud Dauber (sp) wasps like to build their nests in the
> exhaust port here. Took me quite awhile to figure that one
> out even though the symptom was obvious :)
>
> --
> Leon Fisk
> Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
> Remove no.spam for email

Had the top cover off, and that's not it. Did get some fresh gas and
Stabil, and will mix some very new gas tomorrow, and flush the old out and
try with the new. I went to a Cowboy Super Market today and talked with the
guys. Bought an EZLap diamond burr for sharpening. They said old gas can
cause the symptoms I am describing.

Ah, life ..........

Steve

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