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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/575dd2a6a3913041?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 5:42 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

I guess we now know what an Alaskan Palm Pilot looks like.

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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:04 pm
From: Winston_Smith

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"

Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?

Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
meltdown?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:19 pm
From: Lookout

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:04:35 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>
>Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?
>
>Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
>meltdown?

Nah..she's just fucking hilarious!

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:26 pm
From: Winston_Smith

Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:04:35 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>
>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>
>>Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?
>>
>>Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
>>meltdown?
>
>Nah..she's just fucking hilarious!

So are the Keystone Kops. Why doesn't Little Cliffy use them to
divert us from the ObamaMess?

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:47 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 8, 7:42 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...@Hovnanian.com> wrote:
> I guess we now know what an Alaskan Palm Pilot looks like.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
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> "A doctor can bury his mistakes but an architect can only
> advise his client to plant vines." -- Frank Lloyd Wright

Funny!

TMT

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:52 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> > "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>
> Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?
>
> Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
> meltdown?

Snicker...Winston has a crush...Winston has a crush.

Just like the other 17% of those who think Palin is Presidential
material.

What does it for you Winston...the wink, the stoke of the leg or the
heaving breasts?

TMT

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 8:12 pm
From: VFW

In article <s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com>,
Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
> [
> This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
> http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-notes-on-her-
> hand/
> She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And there
> are actually human beings walking around who think she should be President.
> Wow...E
> ]

Walking but dragging their knuckles.
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Hint; Enjoy the moment !

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TOPIC: Cleaning up the shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ff81a03e8e9a9e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 6:40 pm
From: Strabo

Garlicdude wrote:
> John R. Carroll wrote:
>> dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 12:10 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IIRC The US lost about half it's manufacturing jobs
>>>> under bushco & the rethugs.
>>>> --
>>>> Cliff
>>> Got any cites? I do not think that is the case.
>>
>> http://manufacturing-metrics.blogspot.com/2007/08/manufacturing-employment-statistics.html
>>
>
>
> Wow, those first two graphs are shocking. I'm thinking the result would
> have been the same no matter who was in Congress and who the President
> was. We've become addicted to cheap crappy imports.
>

Yes, it's dramatic. I think your conclusion is the result of
misdirection. The precipitous decline in 2001 - 2004 represents
much more than Walmart's low prices.

2001 was also the beginning of the real estate bubble, an indicator
of what was to be and what will yet come.

Some dots to connect...massive outsourcing, Henry Paulson, Chinese
loans, Walmart, illegal alien invasion, import duties, Freddie MAC,
low income loans, mortgage-backed securities, and Credit Default Swaps
and other derivative products.

In short, American manufacturing and the middle class were
sacrificed at the alter of Globalism by the high priests of
international banking.

>
> Best,
> Steve
>

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TOPIC: Karl, I found a good lathe for your future condo
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/adac47bd9d2e274d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 6:38 pm
From: Ignoramus30280

On 2010-02-09, John <amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote:
> Ignoramus30280 wrote:
>> On 2010-02-08, john<amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote:
>>> Ignoramus3837 wrote:
>>>> I am not sure if it is big enough for you, though.
>>>>
>>>> http://ef.algebra.com/e/160402344516
>>>>
>>>> How can I get it into my basement?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>> I'd buy it but I just bought this one. Its got me beat by three feet.
>>>
>>> http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/lathe7.jpg
>>
>> Looks like a fun machine, got any more pictures? Any story behind
>> this? Is it at your location already?
>>
>> i
>
>
> Iggy,
>
> A local company that I did business with closed up shop. I bought a
> bunch of machines from them including this one. They wanted to move them
> as soon as possible and the price was very right. The Bertrem lathe is
> about 30 feet between centers. The first picture was at the old
> location. The other pictures are where it is running now in my shop.
> Moving it was comparably easy as at the original site there were a
> couple of 30 ton bridge crane available and at my shop I just slid it
> off the flatbed with a forklift on the tail end and a 15 ton crane
> picking up the head stock. Once inside I put a set of rollers under it
> and pulled it into position with the forklift.
>
> http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/024.JPG
> http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/025.JPG
> http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/026.JPG
> http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/027.JPG
> http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/012.jpg
>
> These pictures were taken just after we put power to the lathe. The
> sucker was set up for 560 vac 3phase since it was originally out of
> Canada. It seems to run fine on our 480 volt feed which usually runs
> about 500 to 512 volts. In those pictures I was in the process of
> installing a DRO on the Z axis using a rack gear, spur gear with a
> rotary encoder.
>
> The last picture is of another vertical lathe I bought that needed some
> transmission work. The thing would not shift between high medium and
> low gear. It was stuck in the middle range because of some damage that
> happened when a long time ago the side head got run into the table and
> jammed something in the transmission. I am now waiting for new bearings
> to be delivered as well as making a new internal splined sleeve that got
> split when the gear sheared the key and rotated 90 degrees. I have to
> take pictures of that. Tomorrow I have to make the new part, the
> bearings will be here on Wednesday. I have a pile of large turning work
> to do and it would be nice to have all three verticals running.

Looks very exciting to me. I am now practicing on a small lathe...

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TOPIC: Repackaging Wingers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/97f9854a3cb5098c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 6:42 pm
From: Winston_Smith

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>The Tea Party should have picked a symbol that didn't consist of a little
>paper thing with a string on it. It conjures up several possibilities. <g>

Speaks volumes about a party that finds leadership in a jackass.

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TOPIC: Forming wire mesh cloth - how to compress a cylindrical shape?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/badf57fe2c4c4c03?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 6:42 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:21 +0800, the infamous "Royston Vasey"
<royston@vasey.com> scrawled the following:

>
>I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>
>The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working it
>in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
>some ideas on how to compress the mesh part so it slips cleanly into the pvc
>part. There's a few pics in the dropbox:
>
>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen.pdf

Think "tampons", Royston. <vbg> How about a teflon sleeve with an OD
the size of the ID of the PVC to help guide the screen in?

Or a pair of spring steel guides on sticks, curved tongs if you will.

Questions: Do you later "inflate" the cup back to full inside
diameter? What do you use to secure it to the PVC? And, last but not
least, whatever are these used for?

Another thought: If you were to compress the cup closer to final
diameter, it might be easier to work with. It appears to have lots of
gaps between the folds and OD.

--
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 6:43 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:25:11 -0500, the infamous Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> scrawled the following:

>On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:21 +0800, the renowned "Royston Vasey"
><royston@vasey.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>>
>>The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working it
>>in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
>>some ideas on how to compress the mesh part so it slips cleanly into the pvc
>>part. There's a few pics in the dropbox:
>>
>>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen.pdf
>
>Stuff it into a stubby thin-walled open-ended tube (maybe with a ring
>or other handle at one end) shove the tube into the PVC and then
>withdraw the tube while pushing against the top of the screen so it
>stays seated in the PVC.
>
>(Sort of how I imagine how a tampon applicator would work).

Great minds think alike, Pete. <g>

--
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:45 pm
From: "Royston Vasey"

"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:9ei1n5po26hj41pr3mj0ge3jiiaj0s0t74@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:21 +0800, the infamous "Royston Vasey"
> <royston@vasey.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>>
>>The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working
>>it
>>in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
>>some ideas on how to compress the mesh part so it slips cleanly into the
>>pvc
>>part. There's a few pics in the dropbox:
>>
>>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen.pdf
>
> Think "tampons", Royston. <vbg> How about a teflon sleeve with an OD
> the size of the ID of the PVC to help guide the screen in?
>
> Or a pair of spr

ing steel guides on sticks, curved tongs if you will.
>
> Questions: Do you later "inflate" the cup back to full inside
> diameter? What do you use to secure it to the PVC? And, last but not
> least, whatever are these used for?
>
> Another thought: If you were to compress the cup closer to final
> diameter, it might be easier to work with. It appears to have lots of
> gaps between the folds and OD.
>
> --
> We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
> after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
> -- Marcel Proust

Everytime I think tampons I'm reminded of UK's Prince Charles bugged phone
call where he told I think it was Camilla Gorilla his bit on the side at the
time that he "wished he was her tampon" - a nasty thought! :|

The tongs is a good idea - I just made something similar using some
crimpers:

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen_tool.pdf

Once in place the screen springs back quite a bit, I still need some
urethane - maybe sika 191, 293 ?? The black marine stuff anyway, that works
really well on most things. The screen is a shield over a humidity sensor -
to stop fingers and look nice more than anything else. I don't think there
is a way to eliminate the folds and extra mesh / cloth. The cloth doesn't
want to stretch enough so a degree of folding results.

cheers.

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TOPIC: Lighting and security fence
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/80738b54873f3f53?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 6:47 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

I'd talk to a fence company. They might just know themselves.

Martin

Paul Conners wrote:
> What kind of mounts are used for putting a security light fixture at the top
> of a post of a 10-ft "hurricane" fence with barbed wire atop (not razor
> wire).
>
> Is there a standard replacement for the "acorn" tops of these posts that are
> used for attaching a light? Or is it just a custom job?
>
> Thanks.
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:56 pm
From: technomaNge

A quick Google found this. Might give you an idea or two.

http://www.homegardenandpatio.com/cat.cgi?s=SL-F-3720&c=outdoor_mounted_post_light_fixutre.htm

Search words: security light fence mount

technomaNge
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TOPIC: Compliments of Faux
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bf5d1c586af24612?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:06 pm
From: Winston_Smith

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> "Palin's New In-Home TV Studio

Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?

Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
meltdown?

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TOPIC: Palin's Foreign Policy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0d62817eeb9b2529?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:06 pm
From: Winston_Smith

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> "What President Palin's Foreign Policy

Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?

Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
meltdown?

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TOPIC: Palin's War
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/30d3a7eb784f853b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:06 pm
From: Winston_Smith

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> "Palin beating drums for war on Iran"

Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?

Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
meltdown?

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:28 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <sOWdnR7GDoCMN_LWnZ2dnUVZ_h9i4p2d@earthlink.com>,
frito@pendejo.com says...
>
> tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <cjbtm51fmg4hupqj2m6et2a0t2q1dl61sd@4ax.com>,
> > Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:03:05 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> >> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Bush I raised taxes.
> >>>> Ronnie Raygun raised taxes.
> >>>> The middle/working class pays more in taxes (as a percentage) than
> >>>> those
> >>>> born with silver spoons or a good Ponzi scheme.
> >>>> You have a Ponzi scheme, right?
> >>>>
> >>>> The teabaggers probably all owe taxes.
> >>> So do most non-teabaggers.
> >> But we have ours honestly paid on time & in full.
> >
> > Paid on time ?
> >
> > Hahahahahahaaha
> >
> > Remind us again how many of Obama's appointees had to withdrawl last
> > spring becuase they had neglected to pay their taxes...
>
> Tim Geithner didn't resign, and now he's in charge of enforcing tax laws.

Does it say anything about the person who appointed him that he wasn't
told to withdrawl his name once his problems became public ?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:29 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <85rvm51jgaqaiok1r4eaacejisep3ku3i4@4ax.com>,
Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:07:10 -0700, Frito Pendejo <frito@pendejo.com> wrote:
>
> >tankfixer wrote:
> >> In article <cjbtm51fmg4hupqj2m6et2a0t2q1dl61sd@4ax.com>,
> >> Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:03:05 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> >>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Bush I raised taxes.
> >>>>> Ronnie Raygun raised taxes.
> >>>>> The middle/working class pays more in taxes (as a percentage) than
> >>>>> those
> >>>>> born with silver spoons or a good Ponzi scheme.
> >>>>> You have a Ponzi scheme, right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The teabaggers probably all owe taxes.
> >>>> So do most non-teabaggers.
> >>> But we have ours honestly paid on time & in full.
> >>
> >> Paid on time ?
> >>
> >> Hahahahahahaaha
> >>
> >> Remind us again how many of Obama's appointees had to withdrawl last
> >> spring becuase they had neglected to pay their taxes...
> >
> >Tim Geithner didn't resign, and now he's in charge of enforcing tax laws.
>
> More winger lies, eh?

Are you saying the Secretary of the Tresury isn't charged with enforcing
tax law ?

> The neverending story .....

You seem to have a neverending suply of drugs.. Given how wacked your
posts are.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:30 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <a9qvm511bjhp3a8j5ur99kgt312mb5ijjq@4ax.com>,
Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

> Hence the court had to make new law, right?
>

What new law is that ?
Go ahead and take all the pages you need.

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TOPIC: Home of the Free, the Brave and the Gay
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e498f6bd3200ff6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:35 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <hkp9rn$o3s$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
>
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:19:15 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > In article <hko2ui$ejp$5@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:19:59 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <hklkvq$ka9$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> > CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:35:05 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <elism5ppqor452cvvbq2ao7sg91lg3hbcu@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:15:58 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >In article <hthrm557sros14sreabtsk8jpjb1f78ba6@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> >mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:59:51 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >In article <n64qm5d1g9vhmu93uvmip3d5m8r5snrb6p@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:48:57 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <Xns9D16783E5B805hopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD
> >> >> >> >> >> >(The Sandman)" says...
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Beam Me Up Scotty
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> news:4b6c496f$0$6035
> $ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2/5/2010 12:24 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 3, 11:53 pm, tankfixer
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <b7a5d4f6-1ca1-4167-bfc1-
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> 5c83d77af...@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> too_many_to...@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Both homo and hetrosexuality are normal...check the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> science.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Last time I checked a hetrosexual couple can
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> reporduce by having sex.. A homosexual couple
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> cannot..
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Do you think it normal a species would evolve in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> such a manner as to not be able to reproduce itself
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When was the military's mission reproduction of the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> species?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please stay on topic.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> TMT
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > *So the military has a mission* , and you say that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mission is more important than social functions like
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reproduction?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Doesn't that mean that anything including making Gays
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > happy, and reproduction of heterosexuals are NOT the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mission and therefore the Military is not obliged to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > make any special social allowances for reproduction
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > sexual behavior or NON reproductive sexual behavior
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > that would in any way disrupt or impede any part of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the MISSION of keeping America safe.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the DNR and the EPA and other Government agencies
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > are willing to take years to do a study an owl or a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > rat to secure their safety and then ban any
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > improvement that would risk the goal of their
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reproduction and survival.... then we deserve at
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > least the same consideration before you force the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > MILITARY to allow GAYS and GAY marriages, and Gay sex
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in the Barracks, and GAY parades, in the military.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gays have been in the military for decades. Hell I was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in the military in the 50s and early 60s, gays were
> >> >> >> >> >> >> there. We mostly didn't give a damn as long as they
> >> >> >> >> >> >> could cover our six. If they could do that and shoot
> >> >> >> >> >> >> straight, we didn't care if they were green, black,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> white, hetero or homo. We did joke about the "Velvet
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Club" but as long as it stayed to itself, no problem.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind of an informal "Don't ask, don't tell", although we
> >> >> >> >> >> >> always had a pretty good idea who was a member and who
> >> >> >> >> >> >> wasn't.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Pretty much how it works nowdays.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> And how would you know?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Since I am currently serving and you are not who would you
> >> >> >> >> >think knows ?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Prove it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Go look me up in AKO.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Never heard of it. I've been out since 85.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Then you arn't nearly as smart as you think you are..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > AKO, Army Knowledge Online
> >> >> > https://www.us.army.mil/
> >> >>
> >> >> Why should USAF, Navy, Marine or Coast Guard personnel be aware of
> >> >> Army shit?
> >> >
> >> > Only the stupid ones ignore what other services are doing. Shall we
> >> > include you in that count ?
> >>
> >> Then you should be able to tell us, without looking it up, what the
> >> AIM-9X is for, define the E-8C J-STARS program and the purpose of DD
> >> Form 2900 is.
> >
> > AIM-9X is the latest version of the Sidewinder missle. It uses an all
> > aspect sensor and IIRC has a range of around 10 or 12 NM
> >
> > The E-8 program is an offshoot of the AWACS concept that allows the USAF
> > to provide ground surveillance over a large area. A prototype was used
> > in Desert Storm to provide movement info on Iraqi forces.
> >
> > Don't know the form, most soldiers, sailors or airmen don't know the
> > forms used by their service unless they happen to personally use it.
> >
> > But a DD form would cover all components.. You obviously looked up what
> > it is since it's not a form that would have been in use during your
> > service.
> >
> >
> >> It is stupid to assume others have the same intimate knowledge as
> >> specialized personal. You've shown your stupidity repeatedly. I do
> >> not care to be categorized with your ilk.
> >
> > What is stupid is to assume that service members don't know of where to
> > go find the information they need.
>
> True. Stop making that assumption.
>
> > Right at the bottom of the AKO login page are links to the other
> > branches..
> > And at the bottom of THEIR login pages are links to each service.
>
> Which is where you found the info above.

You mean to answer your questions ?
No, other than looking up the form out of curiosity the other two I
answered from memory.

>
> And it is stupid to assume ex-service members give a shit about what the
> Army is doing, what their programs are or what they think.

my invitation to visit AKO was extended to the OP who thinks I never
served.
If it bothers you then feel free to butt out.

>
> Assumptions in general are stupid. Which is why you were in my Bozo Bin.

Did you place yourself in it too ?
For you leap to them so often I'd think your head spins

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:37 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <hkp9ij$o3s$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
>
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:23:06 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > In article <hko33g$ejp$6@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:20:02 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <hklld1$ka9$4@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> > CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:35:05 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <elism5ppqor452cvvbq2ao7sg91lg3hbcu@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:15:58 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >In article <hthrm557sros14sreabtsk8jpjb1f78ba6@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> >mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:59:51 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >In article <n64qm5d1g9vhmu93uvmip3d5m8r5snrb6p@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:48:57 -0800, tankfixer
> >> >> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <Xns9D16783E5B805hopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD
> >> >> >> >> >> >(The Sandman)" says...
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Beam Me Up Scotty
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> news:4b6c496f$0$6035
> $ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2/5/2010 12:24 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 3, 11:53 pm, tankfixer
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <b7a5d4f6-1ca1-4167-bfc1-
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> 5c83d77af...@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> too_many_to...@yahoo.com says...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Both homo and hetrosexuality are normal...check the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> science.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Last time I checked a hetrosexual couple can
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> reporduce by having sex.. A homosexual couple
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> cannot..
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Do you think it normal a species would evolve in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> such a manner as to not be able to reproduce itself
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When was the military's mission reproduction of the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> species?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please stay on topic.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> TMT
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > *So the military has a mission* , and you say that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mission is more important than social functions like
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reproduction?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Doesn't that mean that anything including making Gays
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > happy, and reproduction of heterosexuals are NOT the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mission and therefore the Military is not obliged to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > make any special social allowances for reproduction
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > sexual behavior or NON reproductive sexual behavior
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > that would in any way disrupt or impede any part of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the MISSION of keeping America safe.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the DNR and the EPA and other Government agencies
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > are willing to take years to do a study an owl or a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > rat to secure their safety and then ban any
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > improvement that would risk the goal of their
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reproduction and survival.... then we deserve at
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > least the same consideration before you force the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > MILITARY to allow GAYS and GAY marriages, and Gay sex
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in the Barracks, and GAY parades, in the military.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gays have been in the military for decades. Hell I was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in the military in the 50s and early 60s, gays were
> >> >> >> >> >> >> there. We mostly didn't give a damn as long as they
> >> >> >> >> >> >> could cover our six. If they could do that and shoot
> >> >> >> >> >> >> straight, we didn't care if they were green, black,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> white, hetero or homo. We did joke about the "Velvet
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Club" but as long as it stayed to itself, no problem.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind of an informal "Don't ask, don't tell", although we
> >> >> >> >> >> >> always had a pretty good idea who was a member and who
> >> >> >> >> >> >> wasn't.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Pretty much how it works nowdays.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> And how would you know?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Since I am currently serving and you are not who would you
> >> >> >> >> >think knows ?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Prove it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Go look me up in AKO.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Never heard of it. I've been out since 85.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Then you arn't nearly as smart as you think you are..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > AKO, Army Knowledge Online
> >> >> > https://www.us.army.mil/
> >> >>
> >> >> And the security certificate cannot be validated. Not that
> >> >> validation failure is anything new to USG websites. Therefore I
> >> >> test such using lynx under OpenBSD where even a malicious site
> >> >> cannot harm me.
> >> >
> >> > yet it opens just fine in Chrome...
> >> > And Firefox..
> >>
> >> Dunno about Google's Chrome but it does *not* open in Firefox unless
> >> you've disabled security protection.
> >
> > Works fine with the copy of Firefox I use at work. And MS Explorer. But
> > that's inside a .mil domain..
>
> So you make unwarranted assumptions... Try a default install of
> Firefox. Or Konqueror, Seamonkey or Safari, same thing. Your browsers
> have disabled security protection so you again *assume* the problem is
> others. Assume. I'm sure your DI broke the word down for you...

Are you trying to say that my browsers inside a .mil domain have had
their security disabled ?
What were you saying about making assumptions ?

>
> >> > Pity you can't go educate yourself.
> >>
> >> Assumptions exemplify your stupidity.
> >
> > I can't help your unwillingness to learn.
>
> You can't help being an idiot.
>
> >> >> As I suspected, Army only. Why would you think other services would
> >> >> know about AKO?
> >> >
> >> > Since I know about their portals I would expect they would be aware
> >> > of how the army dissiminates information. Or are you saying the other
> >> > services are idiots ?
> >>
> >> No, I'm saying that *you* are an idiot.
> >
> > Given your longstanding lack of judgment I'm not worried what you
> > "think", it's often wrong.
>
> You prove your idiocy with more unfounded assumptions.

I accept yoru surrender..

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Statistics for week ending 20100208
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7bc9975857833057?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:41 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7351dc68-c493-44ab-b3eb-dc4adc529dde@28g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 8, 3:40 am, n...@wess.mdns.org (Statistics) wrote:
>> This post is generated weekly as a service to the participants of
>> Rec.Crafts.Metalworking
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Analysis of posts to Rec.Crafts.Metalworking
>> ============================================================================
>> (stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)
>>
>> Total posts considered: 1,640 over 7 days
>> Earliest article: Sat Feb 6 17:35:09 2010
>> Latest article: Sun Feb 7 23:53:12 2010
>> Original articles: 104, replies: 1,536
>> Total size of posts: 5,125,064 bytes (5,004K) (4.89M)
>> Average 234 articles per day, 0.70 MB per day, 3,125 bytes per article
>> Total headers: 2,416 KB bodies: 2,588 KB
>> Body text - quoted: 1,574 KB, original: 864 KB = 35.45%, sigs: 141 KB
>> Total number of posters: 263, average 19,486 bytes per poster
>> Total number of threads: 259, average 19,787 bytes per thread
>> Total number of User-Agents: 47
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 20 posters by number of articles
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>............... : 83
>> 2: "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net>........................ : 79
>> 3: Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com>...................... : 70
>> 4: Wes <clu...@lycos.com>......................................... : 60
>> 5: "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul>...................... : 59
>> 6: "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah>.............................. : 41
>> 7: Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com>............................. : 41
>> 8: Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net>........................... : 41
>> 9: "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com>................................. : 38
>> 10: "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net>........... : 31
>> 11: Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com>.................................. : 30
>> 12: Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com>..... : 29
>> 13: tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com>............................. : 29
>> 14: "dcas...@krl.org" <dcas...@krl.org>............................ : 28
>> 15: Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com>................................. : 27
>> 16: "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>................. : 27
>> 17: "Steve B" <deserttra...@fishmail.net>.......................... : 24
>> 18: "DoN. Nichols" <dnich...@d-and-d.com>.......................... : 23
>> 19: F. George McDuffee <gmcduf...@mcduffee-associates.us>.......... : 22
>> 20: matt_at_athayde_dot_...@foo.com (mattathayde).................. : 22
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 20 posters by article size in Kbytes
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net>........................ : 302
>> 2: Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com>...................... : 283
>> 3: Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>............... : 225
>> 4: "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul>...................... : 216
>> 5: Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net>........................... : 192
>> 6: "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net>........... : 143
>> 7: "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah>.............................. : 134
>> 8: Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com>............................. : 131
>> 9: Wes <clu...@lycos.com>......................................... : 121
>> 10: Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com>.................................. : 116
>> 11: tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com>............................. : 114
>> 12: Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com>..... : 106
>> 13: "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com>................................. : 95
>> 14: "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>................. : 81
>> 15: F. George McDuffee <gmcduf...@mcduffee-associates.us>.......... : 78
>> 16: "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>........................ : 78
>> 17: "dcas...@krl.org" <dcas...@krl.org>............................ : 76
>> 18: "DoN. Nichols" <dnich...@d-and-d.com>.......................... : 65
>> 19: Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>.................... : 62
>> 20: matt_at_athayde_dot_...@foo.com (mattathayde).................. : 60
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 20 responders by original text (> 5 posts)
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: "Robert Swinney" <judy...@tx.rr.com>........................... :
>> 96.78%
>> 2: Peter Principle <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com>................... :
>> 90.63%
>> 3: dave <tool_...@weirdstuffcox.net>.............................. :
>> 90.56%
>> 4: Jon Anderson <janders1...@comcast.net>......................... :
>> 88.17%
>> 5: Bob Engelhardt <bobengelha...@comcast.net>..................... :
>> 81.51%
>> 6: Ecnerwal <MyNameForw...@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid>........ :
>> 75.38%
>> 7: GeoLane at PTD dot NET <GeoLane at PTD dot NET>................ :
>> 68.39%
>> 8: F. George McDuffee <gmcduf...@mcduffee-associates.us>.......... :
>> 66.51%
>> 9: Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com>.................................. :
>> 65.26%
>> 10: "Karl Townsend" <karltownsend....@embarqmail.com>.............. :
>> 65.00%
>> 11: Jon Elson <jmel...@wustl.edu>.................................. :
>> 60.53%
>> 12: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com>........... :
>> 58.31%
>> 13: Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>............................. :
>> 56.58%
>> 14: "Royston Vasey" <roys...@vasey.com>............................ :
>> 55.48%
>> 15: Wes <clu...@lycos.com>......................................... :
>> 54.55%
>> 16: matt_at_athayde_dot_...@foo.com (mattathayde).................. :
>> 52.31%
>> 17: "dcas...@krl.org" <dcas...@krl.org>............................ :
>> 52.29%
>> 18: "Bill Noble" <nob...@nowhere.invalid>.......................... :
>> 51.16%
>> 19: "azotic" <azo...@cox.net>...................................... :
>> 50.50%
>> 20: Ned Simmons <n...@nedsim.com>.................................. :
>> 49.23%
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Bottom 20 responders by original text (> 5 posts)
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com>............................. :
>> 9.60%
>> 2: Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>.................... :
>> 9.75%
>> 3: Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com>.................................. :
>> 10.73%
>> 4: HHnC <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>.......................... :
>> 12.04%
>> 5: grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)................ :
>> 14.36%
>> 6: Sidney Lambe <sidneyla...@nospam.invalid>...................... :
>> 14.80%
>> 7: Gerald Miller <grmil...@rogers.com>............................ :
>> 16.12%
>> 8: "Bill McKee" <bmckeespam...@ix.netcom.com>..................... :
>> 16.27%
>> 9: WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com>........................... :
>> 16.54%
>> 10: "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net>........... :
>> 16.98%
>> 11: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>.............. :
>> 17.02%
>> 12: Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com>....................... :
>> 17.65%
>> 13: Dave__67 <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com>............................... :
>> 17.79%
>> 14: Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com>............................. :
>> 18.81%
>> 15: "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>........................ :
>> 19.64%
>> 16: as...@charter.net.............................................. :
>> 20.57%
>> 17: Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>............... :
>> 22.65%
>> 18: cl...@snyder.on.ca............................................. :
>> 23.64%
>> 19: Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com>...................... :
>> 24.16%
>> 20: awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>.............................. :
>> 24.48%
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 20 threads by no. of articles
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: A new "constitutional right"................................... : 129
>> 2: Home of the Free, the Brave and the Gay........................ : 95
>> 3: OT - Turkeys Voting for Christmas -- was The Lancet's Vaccine R : 47
>> 4: OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole..................... : 47
>> 5: Yet another chain saw question................................. : 39
>> 6: Obama's Train Wreck of a Town Hall in Ohio..................... : 36
>> 7: Trijicon....................................................... : 32
>> 8: Oh Look...They Have Parents..Who Would Have Guessed?........... : 31
>> 9: Does anyone still use lantern toolposts........................ : 31
>> 10: OT - Most states remain blue ...and sane....................... : 30
>> 11: What is it? Set 322............................................ : 29
>> 12: Mystery piece of tooling? Lathe?............................... : 28
>> 13: Hey Ed, that snow coming up your way?.......................... : 27
>> 14: Half nuts disengage by themselves.............................. : 26
>> 15: Drop in December new-home sales fuels concern over recent gains : 23
>> 16: OT- Product Of The YEAR! -Somebody Should Get A Nobel Prize For : 23
>> 17: Running compressor "too slowly"................................ : 22
>> 18: Sometimes I wonder about Enco's marketing strategy............. : 22
>> 19: Failin' Palin fails to pay taxes on two houses she owns........ : 21
>> 20: Chainsaw questions............................................. : 20
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 20 threads by size in KB
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: A new "constitutional right"................................... : 494
>> 2: Home of the Free, the Brave and the Gay........................ : 376
>> 3: OT - Turkeys Voting for Christmas -- was The Lancet's Vaccine R : 189
>> 4: Obama's Train Wreck of a Town Hall in Ohio..................... : 178
>> 5: OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole..................... : 174
>> 6: Oh Look...They Have Parents..Who Would Have Guessed?........... : 149
>> 7: OT - Most states remain blue ...and sane....................... : 115
>> 8: Trijicon....................................................... : 113
>> 9: Drop in December new-home sales fuels concern over recent gains : 96
>> 10: Hey Ed, that snow coming up your way?.......................... : 95
>> 11: Yet another chain saw question................................. : 95
>> 12: Does anyone still use lantern toolposts........................ : 90
>> 13: OT - Turkeys Voting for Christmas -- was The Lancet's Vaccine . : 67
>> 14: Half nuts disengage by themselves.............................. : 65
>> 15: A test for young people........................................ : 63
>> 16: Douchebagger Libtards.......................................... : 59
>> 17: Sometimes I wonder about Enco's marketing strategy............. : 56
>> 18: Mystery piece of tooling? Lathe?............................... : 56
>> 19: Statistics for week ending 20100201............................ : 54
>> 20: Wobble in Clausing variable speed drive........................ : 53
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 10 cross-posted groups
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: misc.survivalism............................................... : 547
>> 2: alt.politics................................................... : 427
>> 3: talk.politics.guns............................................. : 391
>> 4: alt.rush-limbaugh.............................................. : 338
>> 5: alt.machines.cnc............................................... : 263
>> 6: alt.politics.libertarian....................................... : 150
>> 7: alt.aol.tricks................................................. : 118
>> 8: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.......................................... : 115
>> 9: comp.cad.solidworks............................................ : 43
>> 10: comp.cad.pro-engineer.......................................... : 43
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 10 User Agents by poster
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: G2/1.0......................................................... : 49
>> 2: Microsoft Outlook Express...................................... : 40
>> 3: Forte Agent.................................................... : 35
>> 4: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812)........................ : 23
>> 5: Mozilla........................................................ : 17
>> 6: MyNewsGroups v 0.6............................................. : 14
>> 7: rn............................................................. : 14
>> 8: Xnews.......................................................... : 11
>> 9: MT-NewsWatcher................................................. : 6
>> 10: Pan............................................................ : 5
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 10 User Agents by number of posts
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: Outlook Express........................................... : 344 (21%)
>> 2: Forte Agent............................................... : 284 (17%)
>> 3: G2........................................................ : 261 (16%)
>> 4: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows............................. : 110 ( 7%)
>> 5: Forte Free Agent.......................................... : 109 ( 7%)
>> 6: Mozilla................................................... : 97 ( 6%)
>> 7: slrn...................................................... : 82 ( 5%)
>> 8: Xnews..................................................... : 66 ( 4%)
>> 9: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606..................... : 44 ( 3%)
>> 10: MyNewsGroups v 0.6........................................ : 42 ( 3%)
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Top 10 time zones
>> ============================================================================
>> 1: -0500.......................................................... : 550
>> 2: -0600.......................................................... : 351
>> 3: -0800.......................................................... : 293
>> 4: -0800 (PST).................................................... : 261
>> 5: UTC............................................................ : 121
>> 6: -0700.......................................................... : 38
>> 7: +1100.......................................................... : 11
>> 8: +0800.......................................................... : 6
>> 9: +0100.......................................................... : 6
>> 10: -0400.......................................................... : 2
>>
>> ============================================================================
>> Turquoise SuperStat 2.2 * Message area statistics
>> =================================================
>>
>> (c) Copyright 1998-2005 Peter Karlsson
>>
>> This report covers 6409 messages written between 2010-01-08 00:00:56 and
>> 2010-02-07 23:44:47
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Blacklist of quoters (of people who have written at least three messages)
>>
>> Place Name Msgs Ratio
>> 1. roger gilbert <rog...@qmail.com> 3 96.58%
>> 2. No-bammer <no-bam...@fgi.net> 6 91.03%
>> 3. Henway <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> 4 90.84%
>> 4. Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> 39 89.03%
>> 5. HHnC <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> 6 88.23%
>> 6. tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> 63 88.15%
>> 7. Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> 3 87.90%
>> 8. HH&C <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> 104 85.92%
>> 9. Jeff M <nos...@nothanks.org> 4 85.90%
>> 10. PresOdebacle <killef...@invalid.invalid> 3 84.92%
>> 11. Up North <BR...@canospam.com> 3 84.80%
>> 12. Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> 15 83.92%
>> 13. Bill McKee <bmckeespam...@ix.netcom.com> 31 83.83%
>> 14. sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com> 6 83.73%
>> 15. mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com> 15 83.48%
>>
>> A total of 10513568 bytes were written (message bodies only), of which
>> 5746319, or 54.66%, were quotes.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Toplist of writers
>>
>> Place Name Msgs Bytes Quoted
>> 1. Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> 350 488838 64.2%
>> 2. Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> 334 634614 61.6%
>> 3. Wes <clu...@lycos.com> 259 210978 45.4%
>> 4. Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> 247 584361 66.1%
>> 5. Michael A. Terrell <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> 176 217464 76.4%
>> 6. Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> 140 311734 71.2%
>> 7. Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> 139 346589 57.4%
>> 8. Burled Frau <acht...@jawol.jah> 135 188805 58.0%
>> 9. Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> 132 108610 40.8%
>> 10. John R. Carroll <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> 131 285512 58.5%
>> Buerste <buer...@wowway.com> 131 195569 68.3%
>> 12. HH&C <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> 104 235330 85.9%
>> 13. Steve B <deserttra...@fishmail.net> 93 101040 63.2%
>> 14. columbiaaccidentinvestigation <columbiaaccidentinv 91 214959 83.1%
>> 15. Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> 90 49487 38.8%
>>
>> A total of 489 people were identified.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Toplist of original content per message (of people who have written at
>> least three messages)
>>
>> Place Name Orig. / Msgs = PrMsg Quoted
>> 1. Statistics <n...@wess.mdns.org> 88138 / 4 = 22034
>> 2. Peter Principle <petesfe...@SNIPITgmail.com 29492 / 5 = 5898 8.8%
>> 3. Retief <nos...@invalid.invalid> 39274 / 17 = 2310 25.0%
>> 4. Fred B. Brown <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> 20221 / 9 = 2246 35.4%
>> 5. Frnak McKenney <fr...@far.from.the.madding. 53378 / 25 = 2135 53.4%
>> 6. Priyanka Mehta <priyankaprasadme...@gmail.c 9729 / 5 = 1945
>> 7. cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> 16689 / 9 = 1854 46.9%
>> 8. sittingduck <d...@spamherelots.com> 29195 / 17 = 1717 14.7%
>> 9. Ignoramus27261 <ignoramus27...@NOSPAM.27261 11950 / 7 = 1707 16.4%
>> 10. danmitch <danmi...@umflint.edu> 6304 / 4 = 1576 45.0%
>> 11. zhineng chen <zhineng...@gmail.com> 10009 / 7 = 1429
>> 12. Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> 5626 / 4 = 1406 19.9%
>> 13. DoN. Nichols <dnich...@d-and-d.com> 91973 / 69 = 1332 47.0%
>> 14. Bruce L. Bergman <bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail. 38606 / 29 = 1331 39.0%
>> 15. Carla Fong <carla.xspamx.f...@verizon.net> 5310 / 4 = 1327 11.5%
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Toplist of subjects
>>
>> Place Subject Msgs Bytes
>> 1. USDA Climate Zone Changes 1990 to 2006 269 677230
>> 2. A new "constitutional right" 180 356886
>> 3. Cleaning up the shop 162 248301
>> 4. The Future of US Kids Making Stuff... 132 358803
>> 5. Plot to Wreck America 107 240826
>> 6. Trijicon 98 171261
>> 7. Home of the Free, the Brave and the Gay 93 188327
>> 8. Michelle pimping the airwaves 81 118220
>> 9. New employee test for "metalworking skills" 80 99149
>> 10. Repackaging Wingers 74 115831
>> 11. Tech Support for Wingers 69 118328
>> 12. A test for young people 67 72039
>> 13. Glenn Beck on Who da Commies Is 62 140175
>> 14. What is it? Set 321 58 27001
>> 15. Great idea to help "military intelligence" 56 84644
>>
>> A total of 707 subjects were identified.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Toplist of programs
>>
>> Place Program Msgs
>> 1. Microsoft Outlook Express 1158
>> 2. G2 1080
>> 3. Forte Agent 1003
>> 4. Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 478
>> 5. Forte Free Agent 443
>> 6. Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English 372
>> 7. slrn 347
>> 8. Microsoft Windows Live Mail 250
>> 9. Xnews 205
>> 10. Mozilla 198
>> 11. Microsoft Windows Mail 141
>> 12. MT-NewsWatcher 103
>> 13. Pan 85
>> 14. MicroPlanet-Gravity 80
>> 15. News Xpress 39
>>
>> A total of 40 different programs (not counting different versions) were
>> identified.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ever notice how on topic RCM is when Gunner and his conservative crap
> isn't around?
> TMT

Not really. With all of those dildos your mommies keep soiling, how do you
find enough time to keep spamming my favorites newsgroups with your
cross-posting? Did they finally give you the heave - ho (no pun intended)
out of the basement and hire a new dildo licker? Or is business really that
bad for the old sows?

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TOPIC: Trijicon
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8210cfe1feffd9c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 7:56 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <i2qvm5lngqmvaa9m0rtv2md7v6tkr1p396@4ax.com>,
Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:20:07 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <llbtm59ah1nccg3a61luhl0ajvccjm7vka@4ax.com>,
> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >>
> >> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 06:56:53 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <59rnm5pdl0ghbqg7fo5tf11bqpri60sjn5@4ax.com>,
> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:20:50 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <j4vfm554108sj55ah9ceq02ir6d8tftlb6@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:38:56 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:21:48 +0100, Monika Eggers
> >> >> >> ><monikakrug@expires-2009-12-31.arcornews.de> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>Morton Davis schrieb:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>> news:rnebl5141j9co8rqtbtlimj9vhkpagmbjs@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/19/2010-01-19_firm_takes_flak_for_rifle_scopes_with_bible_verse.html
> >> >> >> >>>> "Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers' rifle scopes
> >> >> >> >>>> branded with Bible verses"
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> [
> >> >> >> >>>> .....
> >> >> >> >>>> A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle
> >> >> >> >>>> scopes
> >> >> >> >>>> used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with passages
> >> >> >> >>>> from the
> >> >> >> >>>> Bible.
> >> >> >> >>>> ....
> >> >> >> >>>> Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from
> >> >> >> >>>> the New
> >> >> >> >>>> Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent reference
> >> >> >> >>>> to
> >> >> >> >>>> John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,
> >> >> >> >>>> but will
> >> >> >> >>>> have the light of life."
> >> >> >> >>>> ....
> >> >> >> >>>> ]
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Produce a credible CITE.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>http://www.google.com/search?q=Trijicon+bible+verse
> >> >> >> >>yields
> >> >> >> >>http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?80220-Trijicon-Users
> >> >> >> >>http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=2319&page=2
> >> >> >> >>http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
> >> >> >> >>http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jesus-rifles/story?id=9618791
> >> >> >> >>http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/trijicons-subtle-christian-messages/
> >> >> >> >>http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=ksta/page&atype=ksArtikel&aid=1264168296594
> >> >> >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccdUn-bKNY
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Or you can go directly to trijicon.com:
> >> >> >> >>http://www.trijicon.com/whats_new.cfm , the most current news is
> >> >> >> >>"Trijicon, Inc. Offers to Voluntarily Remove Scripture References on all
> >> >> >> >>Products Destined for U.S. Military". The second-latest says "Trijicon
> >> >> >> >>has put scripture references on our products for more than two decades".
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Monika.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking it up..it
> >> >> >> >means what?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Gunner
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
> >> >> >> > wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
> >> >> >> > something damned nasty to all three of them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ALL of these gods now demand their own verses too !!!
> >> >> >> http://www.godfinder.org/
> >> >> >> Plus all the rest.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What part of separation of churchs & state was unclear?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What part of the government didn't direct the citation be placed there.
> >> >>
> >> >> Show us the Mil Spec calling for it.
> >> >
> >> >Are you dense ?
> >> >Or just stupid ?
> >> >There is no milspec requiring it. Just as there is no spec requiring a
> >> >company put their name on an item.
> >>
> >> So you can put extra holes in jets too, right?
> >> And pour sewage sludge into rations.
> >
> >I was right, you are dense AND stupid.
>
> Show us the Mil Spec.

For what ?
The ACOG was a COTS purchase, that is Commercial Off The Shelf...

Just like the al th ehardware used in STAMIS systems are COTS..

Cliff's bable deleted..

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TOPIC: The self-culling libs are shaking in their boots
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/411efdb87d6f1686?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 8:12 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

Veteran congressman's death adds to Barack Obama's woes

Democrats fear Republicans will win seat held since 1974

President's poll ratings fall further amid health care impasse

Ewen MacAskill in Washington guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday 9 February 2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/09/john-murtha-barack-obama-democrats

The Democratic party faces another election test after the death yesterday
of John Murtha, a congressman dubbed by his colleagues the "king of pork".

Murtha, aged 77, had been in the House of Representatives since being
elected to his Pennsylvania district in 1974.

The fear in the party is that Republicans will notch up another victory when
a special election is held, probably May.

The Democrats have been panicking since losing Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts
Senate seat to the Republicans last month.

Murtha's nickname referred to so-called pork barrel politics - bringing
government spending to bear in a representative's own district.

His death came on a day that saw Barack Obama's poll ratings fall further. A
Marist poll found that only 44% of voters surveyed approved of his job
performance, down 2% on December. More alarming for Democratic strategists,
57% of independents disapprove of his performance.

Murtha's death will have a neglible impact on the arithmetic of the House,
where the Democrats have an overwhelming majority, unlike in the Senate. But
another defeat in the spring would add to the sense of panic among Democrats
in the run-up to the Congressional mid-term elections in November.

Murtha's office said he had died in hospital after complications following
gallbladder surgery. He had been in hospital for several months.

His election in 1974 marked him out as the first of those to have served in
Vietnam to make it into Congress.

He was popular on the left as one of the first senior Democrats in 2005 to
turn against the Iraq war. But he was also one of the leading exponents of
'pork-barrel' politics, a practice that has long been reviled outside
Washington and is one of the reasons for the present levels of
disenchantment.

Murtha, as chairman of the House defence appropriations sub-committee, added
'earmarks', special spending projects to help his district, to defence
bills, hence the King of Pork.

Scandal hovered over him throughout much of his career.

Murtha faced a tough race for re-election in 2008 after sabotaging his own
campaign by referring to some of voters in Pennsylvania as "racist".

One of the reasons for the turnaround in Democratic fortunes is opposition
to Barack Obama's health reform plan.

The president will make a fresh push this month to get his troubled health
reform package through Congress by meeting both Democrats and Republicans,
hoping to find common ground.

The half-day discussion at Blair House, opposite the White House, will be
broadcast live on television to counter public criticism that too many deals
in Washington are made behind closed doors.

Obama announced the meeting during a CBS television interview on Sunday
evening. "I want to consult closely with our Republican colleagues . to ask
them to put their ideas on the table. I want to come back and have a large
meeting, Republicans and Democrats, to go through systematically all the
best ideas that are out there and move it forward," he said.

The Republican leader in the House of Representatives, John Boehner,
welcomed the move as "a real, bipartisan conversation", but added: "The
problem with the Democrats' healthcare bills is not that the American people
don't understand them; the American people do understand them and they don't
like them."

The Republican leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, welcomed the meeting,
but suggested he was unlikely to compromise, calling for the Democrats' bill
to be shelved.

The move buys the Democrats a few more weeks while they debate among
themselves whether to push forward with the bill or abandon it. The version
of the bill passed by the Senate on Christmas Eve would extend health care
to 30 million more Americans.

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