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TOPIC: Gold
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 8:43 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

And baring that and needing it made for you - I know of someone
that can do it for you.

It becomes a work of art to get something made.

Martin

Steve W. wrote:
> Frank J Warner wrote:
>> Forgive me. I am abysmally ignorant about this.
>>
>> I need to know how much to pay for a small bit of gold.
>>
>> I'm asking for a piece, a cylinder .1875" diameter x .1875" long. Karat
>> weight is negotiable: 18 karat, 24 karat. Doesn't matter. Price will
>> probably differ with each, and I understand that.
>>
>> I can google the spot price of gold and calculate it out, but I have no
>> idea how much a piece of gold this size weighs. Archimedes wasn't my
>> best friend in high school.
>>
>> Steel prices are bad enough, and titanium, whoo boy. But I am totally
>> lost when dealing with truly precious metals. Gold-mongers in my
>> experience are notoriously reticent with a little thing called honesty,
>> so I'd like to know what to expect as a reasonable price.
>>
>> Little help here? Ed? Where are you when I need you?
>>
>> -Frank
>>
>
> If your looking at a solid piece that size your looking at about 23
> bucks worth of gold for 10K and about 50 for 24K. BUT if this is
> something that you need NOW you will likely end up making it yourself.
> That isn't a common size in wire gold. or in bar stock.
>
> Your best option would really be to buy a large mens ring or two from a
> pawn shop or even a Wal~Mart. Then make a over-sized mold and pour it
> yourself. Then turn to fit. That would be easier and MUCH cheaper than
> special ordering it.
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:21 pm
From: Ted Frater

Frank J Warner wrote:
> Forgive me. I am abysmally ignorant about this.
>
> I need to know how much to pay for a small bit of gold.
>
> I'm asking for a piece, a cylinder .1875" diameter x .1875" long. Karat
> weight is negotiable: 18 karat, 24 karat. Doesn't matter. Price will
> probably differ with each, and I understand that.
>
> I can google the spot price of gold and calculate it out, but I have no
> idea how much a piece of gold this size weighs. Archimedes wasn't my
> best friend in high school.
>
> Steel prices are bad enough, and titanium, whoo boy. But I am totally
> lost when dealing with truly precious metals. Gold-mongers in my
> experience are notoriously reticent with a little thing called honesty,
> so I'd like to know what to expect as a reasonable price.
>
> Little help here? Ed? Where are you when I need you?
>
> -Frank
>
~Well, you need o know a working gold smith. He will have an account
with his metal supplier and can get a price for a piece of wire usually
a couple of inches long.
its just gone 6am here in the Uk and my gold supplier opens at 8.
My UK phone calls are free so ill have a price for you shortly.
the minimum length will be 1 inch in 18 ct. It will be the nearest size
bigger than your spec. Also the spot price for gold is only the
starting point for pricing. and thats in kilo bars and up in weight.
On top is always the manufacturing cost, thecheapest is casting grain
the most expensive is drawn seamless tube.
Fine gold will be too soft to turn even if you have a watchmakers lathe.
Your sure to have Cookson metals in the USA somewhere, and an email to
them will get a prompt reply.
will write again soon.
ted
Frater
Dorset
in the UK..

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TOPIC: Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:30 pm
From: Fred Hall

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:11:29 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:31:40 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>Fred Hall <fkhall@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:19:24 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:r3cgp519asa781k6ja7u0eu1mie0p3v51s@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:20:26 +0000, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> Hang Dog <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> got double secret probation for
>>>> writing:
>>>>
>>>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 22:28:54 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you draw the line? Specifically, what gives you the right to
>>>>>>>> draw any line with regard to medical procedures?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, Roger, you sure don't have many answers to the real questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>With Roger you normally has to wait a few days before he responds to any
>>>>>detailed questions. It has something to do with having to go back to his
>>>>>pastor before he can reply. It can be very frustrating talking to Roger
>>>>>as he's simply a conduit for the bigotry of others.
>>>>>
>>>>>A few years ago he was praying that his online opponents got testicular
>>>>>cancer.
>>>>
>>>> Accordingly, he has officially been spanked by what he called a
>>>> *fencepost*.
>>>>
>>>> Does not say much for his or his pastor's mental acuity.
>>>>
>>>
>>>According to your "spanking", you agree that when the woman consented to
>>>have sex, she consented to be a parent. So if you are "pro-choice" then you
>>>contradicted yourself, a fencepost isn't that stupid.
>>
>>Fencepost 2 RogerN 0
>>
>
>Someone should explain causation to him.

As you pointed out in a different thread, he will need a hint

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:35 pm
From: Hawke

On 3/10/2010 6:50 PM, Jim Austin wrote:
> On Feb 26, 9:39 pm, Cliff<Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html
>> "Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?"
>> [
>> The notion that liberals are smarter than conservatives is familiar to anyone
>> who has spent time on a college campus. The College Democrats are said to be
>> ugly, smug and intellectual; the College Republicans, pretty, belligerent and
>> dumb. There's enough truth in both stereotypes that the vast majority of college
>> students opt not to join either club.
>>
>> But are liberals actually smarter? A libertarian (and, as such, nonpartisan)
>> researcher, Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Political
>> Science, has just written a paper that is set to be published in March by the
>> journal Social Psychology Quarterly. The paper investigates not only whether
>> conservatives are dumber than liberals but also why that might be so.
>> ...
>> The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more
>> likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to say they go to
>> religious services. These aren't entirely new findings; last year, for example,
>> a British team found that kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely
>> to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even after the researchers
>> controlled for socioeconomics. What's new in Kanazawa's paper is a provocative
>> theory about why intelligence might correlate with liberalism. He argues that
>> smarter people are more willing to espouse "evolutionarily novel" values — that
>> is, values that did not exist in our ancestral environment, including weird
>> ideas about, say, helping genetically unrelated strangers (liberalism, as
>> Kanazawa defines it), which never would have occurred to us back when we had to
>> hunt to feed our own clan and our only real technology was fire.
>> ....
>> ]
>>
>> Probably something else many wingers have problems with: fire.
>> Like the wheel, money, ...
>>
>> It's just so easy to lie, steal& murder. Why bother with much of
>> anything else, right?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
> Actually, there might be something to that.
>
> Even the smartest of persons equate intellectual capacity with
> intellectual conformity. People are told that smart people are
> liberal, and a lot of them buy it.
>
> It takes intellectual independence to subscribe to some non-liberal,
> non-left ideology while in college, and there's not a whole lot of
> intellectual independence on college campuses, not even among the
> smart set.

I'm curious where you get those ideas? Have you been in college lately
yourself? I was in college as of 2003 and I didn't find any of what you
said to be true. It's a fact that the people teaching college courses
are very highly educated people. All my professors had Ph.D.s. It's also
a fact that most highly educated people are also highly intelligent. Not
all of them but most. So when you are in college you are dealing with
smart and educated people. Are most of them liberal, yes. But I never
got any particular political agenda when I was there. The teachers were
teaching their particular specialty not their own ideology. So it didn't
matter if you were a liberal or a conservative they were teaching the
class and not anything else. Not only that, intellectual independence is
encouraged. The problem that conservatives have in college is that they
come up against smart people who know the facts and know how to argue an
issue. When conservatives come up against people like that they don't do
very well because most conservative arguments are not based on facts but
on beliefs. The truth is most conservatives find they are out of their
league in college and can't win an argument against most people they run
into there who are just as smart as they are and probably better
educated. Besides that most conservatives take business when in college
and they have plenty of other conservatives to hang around with.

Hawke

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:31 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:05:08 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:01:31 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:ae7fp55hgsnslu8u5njm531183dduh882q@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:20:26 +0000, Hang Dog <righteous@wobble.nospam.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 22:28:54 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you draw the line? Specifically, what gives you the right to
>>>>>>> draw any line with regard to medical procedures?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, Roger, you sure don't have many answers to the real questions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>With Roger you normally has to wait a few days before he responds to any
>>>>detailed questions. It has something to do with having to go back to his
>>>>pastor before he can reply. It can be very frustrating talking to Roger
>>>>as he's simply a conduit for the bigotry of others.
>>>>
>>>>A few years ago he was praying that his online opponents got testicular
>>>>cancer.
>>>
>>> Said voltages would float off to who-knows-where (I think it's near
>>> Akron, OH)
>>> and the gods would give him a new pancreas too.
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>>Voltages on ungrounded items do float off to who know where.
>
>That would depend upon many things. But electrical potential can
>dissipate and there are very specific known places it goes.
>
>>If it were not
>>true then there would be no reason to put grounding and bonding clamps on
>>things such as aircraft before refueling.
>
>You do know you just contradicted yourself?
>
>>Everyone that has been shocked by
>>static electricity has experienced the voltages I was referring to. Why do
>>you think they ship electronics in static sensitive bags?
>>
>>RogerN
>>
>
>Wow, that is stupid on so many levels.
>
>They ship electronics in static bags to insure there is not a
>differential in potential when the product is handled. If all items
>are at the same potential then there is no current flow. All items
>could have a potential of 1,000,000 volts to earth but if there is no
>path to earth then there is no differential and the potential remains.
>
>You should also learn about ionic effect.

He does not quite seem to grasp that charge is conserved.
Stuff is grounded usually because other stuff is also grounded
& a current loop is needed just in case.

Flash the fairy of flashlights told me so!
(Ever seen a flashlight float off to who-knows-where?)
--
Cliff

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:43 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:51:07 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:74ngp51u2bstcdgl8pqplmutm84aqebfhv@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:01:31 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>news:ae7fp55hgsnslu8u5njm531183dduh882q@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:20:26 +0000, Hang Dog
>>>> <righteous@wobble.nospam.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 22:28:54 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you draw the line? Specifically, what gives you the right
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> draw any line with regard to medical procedures?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, Roger, you sure don't have many answers to the real questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>With Roger you normally has to wait a few days before he responds to any
>>>>>detailed questions. It has something to do with having to go back to his
>>>>>pastor before he can reply. It can be very frustrating talking to Roger
>>>>>as he's simply a conduit for the bigotry of others.
>>>>>
>>>>>A few years ago he was praying that his online opponents got testicular
>>>>>cancer.
>>>>
>>>> Said voltages would float off to who-knows-where (I think it's near
>>>> Akron, OH)
>>>> and the gods would give him a new pancreas too.
>>>> --
>>>> Cliff
>>>
>>>Voltages on ungrounded items do float off to who know where.

As demonstrated by Kirchhoff's circuit laws, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchhoff's_circuit_laws

If I hook one end of a 1 meg resistor to your ground what voltage did
the other end float off to?
If I unhook the ground will it fly off to Akron?

I now live in constant fear !!!

Is Akron a good place to buy electrical parts cheap that ended up there
when unwatched?
How old a babysitter must one hire?

>> That would depend upon many things. But electrical potential can
>> dissipate and there are very specific known places it goes.
>
>I agree, it is Cliff that disagrees with us.

I have a D cell battery right here.
Where did the voltage float off to?
Am I dead yet?

>
>>>If it were not
>>>true then there would be no reason to put grounding and bonding clamps on
>>>things such as aircraft before refueling.
>>
>> You do know you just contradicted yourself?
>
>My position is that something that is not grounded can have an unknown
>voltage on it. Cliff's position is that ungrounded things are always at
>zero volts unless they have a hot wire driving them to some voltage.

My D-cell seems to be at zero volts no matter which end I measure to
your ground.
It SAYS it's 1.5 volts.
Did I get scammed?

>
>>>Everyone that has been shocked by
>>>static electricity has experienced the voltages I was referring to. Why
>>>do
>>>you think they ship electronics in static sensitive bags?
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>> Wow, that is stupid on so many levels.
>>
>> They ship electronics in static bags to insure there is not a
>> differential in potential when the product is handled. If all items
>> are at the same potential then there is no current flow. All items
>> could have a potential of 1,000,000 volts to earth but if there is no
>> path to earth then there is no differential and the potential remains.
>>
>> You should also learn about ionic effect.
>
>Is that anything to do with a Faraday cage?
>
>Sorry, but it is Cliff's stupidity, not mine. According to Cliff everything
>everywhere is at 0V with respect to ground unless it has a hot wire holding
>it at some specific voltage. I asked this question because if Cliff were
>right there would be no need for anti-static bags, anti-static workstations,
>no need for bonding or grounding around flammables and explosives. But I,
>and the rest of the world, apparently including you, agree that there is
>such a thing as static electricity.

Gee, that would be a transport of charge, right?

>
>RogerN
>
--
Cliff

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:51 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:11:29 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:

Is it a conservation law too?
He's a conservative fundie & hence knows all about conservative stuff, right?

http://artfiles.art.com/5/p/LRG/22/2221/TUNAD00Z/anne-geddes-cabbage-kids.jpg
http://cache.gifts.com/photos/opd/J/4/F/M/J4FMRDYCCCXG4J53Z4XZ.jpg

http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/side-dish/recipe-roasted-baby-cabbage-076795
"Recipe: Roasted Baby Cabbage"
--
Cliff

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:54 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:57:59 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>Anyway you appeared to agree that women should have the right to abortion
>and then wrote that the consent to have sex was the consent to become a
>parent. Men's choice ends at the choice to have sex, libtards want women's
>rights to continue far beyond that, and some even want taxpayers to pay for
>their careless sex. So, to be fair, what is wrong with a man choosing to
>not be responsible for the child that the mother decided to have?

Rape & incest seem popular in Alaska.
It's a red State, right?
--
Cliff

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 11:32 pm
From: Hang Dog

RogerN wrote:
> "Hang Dog" <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>
>> A few years ago he was praying that his online opponents got testicular
>> cancer.
>
> Wrong, I asked if he would want me to pray for him to get testicular cancer.
> I was just testing his anti-faith, not praying for harm on anyone.
>

You believe that you have an invisible friend that is a) capable of
doing that, and b) would do so at your request? Damn that is so messed
up, on so many levels.

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TOPIC: CUNTER ASH-----Strom Thurmond was a liberal......How stupid is CUNTER?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:43 pm
From: Hawke

On 3/9/2010 11:19 PM, Strabo wrote:
> Gnome@cold.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:41:38 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> And you fail (almost pathologically) to run from any answer that you'd
>>>> have to correctly name the ideology (liberal or conservative) that set
>>>> in motion and defended Jim Crow and slavery, opposed civil rights act
>>>> and eventually was adopted by a republican PARTY.
>>>
>>> I thought his answer was more than sufficient, for anyone who
>>> possesses a brain, that is!
>>
>> Why would anyone claiming possession of a "brain" publicly avoid
>> answering a question of what ideology southerners (and the KKK they
>> formed)--are?
>>
>
> Tell us why, when and where the KKK was formed.
>

It was formed in the south right after the Civil War and the founder was
the famous confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest. Different people
will give different reasons why it was formed. Some say it was to stop
northern carpetbaggers, others say it was to keep the freed slaves under
white control. But it was always a racist group so the reasons aren't
that important. What was important was what they did, which was to
intimidate, murder, and control black people.

Hawke

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TOPIC: Bibles Wanted !
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:43 pm
From: Darrell Stec

Cliff wrote:

>>If he is referring to books of the bible, then he is wrong. Neither King
>>James nor the translators of the KJV deleted any books. The original 1611
>>version contains the same Apocrypha as the Roman Catholic bible, namely
>>because they used Greek and Hebrew (and Latin) translations (contemporary
>>with their time) written by Catholics, and the used the Catholic Douay
>>Rheims as a guide, and many translators were Catholics themselves or
>>learned in Catholic seminaries.
>
> Many possible books were left out when they wrote the thing.
> AFAIK they are still left out.
> And about everyone rewrote it.
>

I meant specifically left out from the canonical Catholic bible. Yeah lots
of things were not only left out but destroyed. Fortunately we have found
some things that survived destruction. That put the blatant lies out for
everyone to see. Christianity invented its own history. [But then so did
the Jews and Muslims].

--
Later,
Darrell

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:48 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:58:21 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:07:50 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:56:27 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> He & gummer buy mostly from China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And their GDP is again up something like 10%.
>>>>>> They also produce about 10 times the steel that the US does
>>>>>>& install about one major electrical powerplant per day.
>>>>>
>>>>>The problem is they are coal fired and destroying the environment.
>>>>
>>>> Or saving us for a bit from global warming.
>>>> India too.
>>>>
>>>> They have a huge problem & know it.
>>>
>>>And doing little about it because they are cheaper adn faster to build
>>>than the nuke plants France is supplying.
>>
>> http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf63.html
>>[
>>Mainland China has 11 nuclear power reactors in commercial operation, 20 under
>>construction, and more about to start construction soon.
>>Additional reactors are planned, including some of the world's most advanced, to
>>give a sixfold increase in nuclear capacity to at least 60 GWe or possibly more
>>by 2020, and then a further substantial increase to 160 GWe by 2030.
>>China is rapidly becoming self-sufficient in reactor design and construction, as
>>well as other aspects of the fuel cycle.
>>Most of mainland China's electricity is produced from fossil fuels (80% from
>>coal, 2% from oil, 1% from gas in 2006) and hydropower (15%). Two large hydro
>>projects are recent additions: Three Gorges of 18.2 GWe and Yellow River of 15.8
>>GWe.
>>]
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_China
>>[
>>At the end of 2009, wind power in China accounted for 25.1 gigawatts (GW) of
>>electricity generating capacity,[1] and China has identified wind power as a key
>>growth component of the country's economy.[2] China is the third largest
>>producer of wind power, after the United States and Germany.[3] With its large
>>land mass and long coastline, China has exceptional wind resources.[4]
>>
>>Researchers from Harvard and Tsinghua University have found that China could
>>meet all of their electricity demands from wind power through 2030.[5]
>>
>>By the end of 2008, at least 15 Chinese companies were commercially producing
>>wind turbines and several dozen more were producing components.[6] Turbine sizes
>>of 1.5 MW to 3 MW became common.
>>]
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_China
>>[
>>China has over 400 photovoltaic (PV) companies and produces approximately 18% of
>>the photovoltaic products worldwide.[1] .In 2007 China produced 1700 MW of solar
>>panels, nearly half of the world production of 3800 MW, although 99% was
>>exported. China has installed about 80 MW of photovoltaics. Solar water heating
>>is used extensively, though.
>>....
>>China is a large producer of polysilicon, for use in first generation solar
>>cells around the world. A byproduct of the process is silicon tetrachloride,
>>which is normally processed and recycled at a higher cost in the developed
>>world, is often dumped by Chinese green startups. This substance is descried as
>>poisonous, polluting, and "like dynamite". These polluting polysilicon plants
>>are said to be the new dot-coms in China. With proper recycling the polysilicon
>>would cost $84,500 per tonne, but the Chinese companies are making it at $21,000
>>to $56,000 a ton.[5]
>>]
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_power_in_China
>>[
>>The People's Republic of China is the largest consumer of coal in the world,[1]
>>and is about to become the largest user of coal-derived electricity, getting
>>1.95 trillion kilowatt-hours per year, or 68.7% of its electricity from coal as
>>of 2006 (compared to 1.99 trillion kilowatt-hours per year, or 49% for the
>>US).[2][3] Hydroelectric power supplied another 20.7% of China's electricity
>>needs in 2006. With approximately 13 percent of the world's proven reserves,
>>China has enough coal to sustain its economic growth for a century or more even
>>though demand is currently outpacing production.[4]
>>....
>>China's installed coal-based electrical capacity was 484 GW, or 77% of the total
>>electrical capacity, in 2006.[8] The dominant technology in the country is coal
>>pulverization in lieu of the more advanced and preferred coal gasification.
>>China's move to a more open economy in the 1990s is cited as a reason for this,
>>where the more immediately lucrative pulverization technology was favored by
>>businesses. There are plans in place for an Integrated Gasification Combined
>>Cycle (IGCC) type plant by 2010.[9] Furthermore, less than 15% of plants have
>>desulphurization systems.[10]
>>]
>>
>> You would not want them to have a regulated, controlled socialist economy,
>>would you?
>> And bushco said that stuff going up the stacks was vitamins anyway !
>> You need those vitamins, right?
>
>A stable one? Why not. They have that right.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-10/asia-s-billionaires-set-world-beating-pace-forbes-says.html
"Asia's Billionaires Set World-Beating Pace, Forbes Says"
[
March 11 (Bloomberg) -- Asian billionaires including India's Mukesh Ambani and
Hong Kong's Li Ka-shing increased their wealth as the region's rich expanded
their fortunes at the world's quickest pace in the past year, Forbes magazine
said.

Asia's billionaires have a combined worth of $729 billion, up from $357 billion
a year ago, Forbes said in an e-mailed statement. The wealth of their U.S. and
European peers jumped 18 percent and 50 percent, respectively.

Faster economic expansion in countries such as China and India has boosted
personal wealth as the U.S. and Europe stagnated or shrank.
....
]

Please note that as the US working middle class lost jobs, health care,
homes, savings & investment/retirement values and their median
income shrank yet more the wealthy STILL gained 18%.

The rethug plans in action.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Faux:: Your Socialist "news"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:54 pm
From: Hawke

On
> But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
> close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
> and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
> reality.

Look. When even you admit that Fox is right of center that means
something. You know you are not a middle of the road person but a right
wing person. So if even someone on the right like you can see Fox is not
what they pretend to be what do you think everyone else thinks? The fact
is that Fox is a right wing network. The owner Rupert Murdock of the
parent company, Newscorp, is a right wing guy. So is the head of the
station, Roger Ailes. All the hosts are right wing and so are just about
all the on air people. They push the Christian, family values,
conservative line all year long. So how can they not be the right wing
network? Like I said, I have no problem with having right wing networks
and stations. I just want them to quit pretending they are unbiased but
all their competitors are. That's just plain baloney. They should just
say they support the republican party.

Hawke

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TOPIC: An Open Letter From Michael Moore
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:58 pm
From: Darrell Stec

Pong Lrick wrote:

>
>
> "Darrell Stec" <darstec@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:7vq2clFl81U6@mid.individual.net...
>> Pong Lrick wrote:
>
>>> As if that fat bag of lard actually gets up a 5 am. LOL
>>
>> A least he gets up long before that fat bag of lard, Rush Limbaugh.
>>
>
>
> Could be, but Rush didn't write the open letter, did he

But his daily radio diatribes far outnumber that one letter, if in fact
Moore wrote it.

> Mister Short
> Attention Span?

Funny.

> Take another Ritalin!

I see you are using reflection again. But thanks for confirming your
diagnosis and recommended treatment. Perhaps you should follow your
doctor's advice.

--
Later,
Darrell

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TOPIC: Martin Aircraft jetpack
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8df60022f4fe53e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:03 pm
From: Cliff

http://www.gizmag.com/first-commercially-available-jetpack/14423/

"The Jetpack achieves with 30 minutes of flight time .."

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TOPIC: Sarah Palin without the brains
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:13 pm
From: Cliff

http://www.camajorityreport.com/index.php?module=articles&func=display&aid=4182&ptid=9
""SARAH PALIN WITHOUT THE BRAINS": "GROUP CHALLENGES WHITMAN AND POIZNER TO
FACE THE PRESS AT GOP CONVENTION"

[
.....
"Yesterday, at her own 'press conference' CEO Meg Whitman unceremoniously
ejected reporters when they began to ask her questions about Level The Playing
Field's recently launched Wikimeg.com website. Not only did CEO Whitman banish
the fourth estate out of an 'open press' event that she herself invited the
press to attend -- Whitman put up a literal wall separating herself from 'the
people' while falsely blaming the host of the event.
....
]

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TOPIC: Palin's family sought health care in Canada
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 10:17 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:35:20 -0500, "GW Bollocks" <bollocks@GW.k00k> wrote:

>
>
>"Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <old_redneck@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:63b84220-5930-4d2d-9a01-
>
>Canada's Free health care system did not exist until the 1980's and people
>paid to use hospitals in the 60's.
>
>
>Did Sarah Palin Partake Of Socialized Canadian Health Care? Not Really
>By Rob on March 8, 2010 at 02:12 pm 56 Comments and 3 Reactions Sort of.
>The Washington Post reports, as though it were news, that Palin refers to an
>instance where her brother was, in the 1960's, once taken to Whitehorse (in
>Canada's Yukon province) to get a burned foot treated.
>
>This is supposed to be news because Sarah Palin is an outspoken opponent of
>government-run health care systems including Canada's. So, you know, how
>could she.
>
>Well, here's the most immediate problem: Sarah Heath, who was to one day
>become Sarah Palin, was born in 1964 in Idaho. Her family moved to Skagway,
>Alaska while she was an infant. At the most, she would have been 6 years
>old when her brother was taken to Canada to get treated for his burned foot.
>
>I don't think the six-year-old Sarah was calling the shots on where her
>family got health care.
>
>The other problem is that Skagway, Alaska is extreme remote. In the 1960's
>in order to get from Skagway to a city with a hospital in America you'd have
>to drive to Haines take a ferry down to Juneau. Not exactly the fastest way
>to travel in an emergency. On the other hand, you could drive on the
>Klondike highway to Whitehorse.
>
>I know this because I've been on that Haines/Juneau ferry, and I've driven
>from Whitehorse to Skagway.
>
>Now, if I had a little boy with a burned foot that needed medical attention
>I'd want the quickest route to care I could find. If a Canadian hospital
>was closest, so be it.
>
>Finally, while I'm not entirely sure how Canada's government-run health care
>system works, something tells me that US citizens don't get free care.
>Meaning that even if the Heath family went to a Canadian hospital, they
>weren't being subsidized by Canadian tax dollars. Especially considering
>that Canada's government-run health care system as we know it today really
>wasn't even in place at the time as Nick Gillespie at Reason notes:
>
>Canada was not born with the single-payer system it currently has. In fact,
>the full-blown socialization of its medical sector was a long time coming
>and was not in anything like its current state in the 1960s. In the early
>'60s, Canada had passed laws pushing universal access to hospitals; in 1966,
>the Medical Care Act allowed each province to create universal coverage
>systems, which took years to fully implement. It was only in 1984 that the
>current system really came online in the Canada Health Act, which banned
>patient fees and billing by doctors in excess of what the government paid.
>
>Once again, the media's hatred for all things Palin trumps logic, reason and
>fact.
>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/did_sarah_palin_partake_of_socialized_canadian_health_care_not_really/
>

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/03/her-brothers-burnt-foot.html
"The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XXXVIII: Her Brother's Burnt Foot"
[
....
Juneau is roughly the same distance away, of course. The problem, however, is
that - surprise! - she has previously said the Palins did not take their kids
for care to Whitehorse, Canada, but to Juneau, Alaska:
[
Her brother burned his foot badly jumping through a fire, and her mother had to
take him down to Juneau on the ferry to the hospital. "All these years later,
that's still what people have to rely on here in some instances," she said.
]
]

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TOPIC: Bear Spray? For manageing unruly Bruins? was Just One Use items
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 11:03 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

Let the Record show that Don Foreman <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net>
on or about Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:44:43 -0600 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>pyotr filipivich
>>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
>
>Buttered fatassses, meat sauce and uncooked steaks are way far yonder
>behind bacon grease as bear bait.
>
>Justice is a sex offender lashed to a tree in the northwoods,
>liberally smeared with bacon grease, perhaps not far from the
>sex-offender prison (with color TV) in Moose Lake he dodged by legal
>chicanary. The prison is full but the northwoods is capacious.

As one of the new counselors is tempted "We're in the center of
five hundred acres of woods ..."
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 11:03 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
about Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:41:40 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:45:58 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:01:34 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
>>>about Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:55:50 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:26:45 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
>>>>>about Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:36:54 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>>>>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>>>>On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:09:25 -0800 (PST), stans4@prolynx.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mar 8, 8:26�am, Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 9:51�am, "Stormin Mormon"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > ...
>>>>>>>> > bear spray when hiking
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> > Christopher A. Young
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's in the bear spray, napalm?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>AKA bear repellant, AKA pepper spray, it burns without combustion.
>>>>>>>There have supposedly been instances where noobs have applied it like
>>>>>>>mosquito repellant. I prefer units with a heavy lead content, myself,
>>>>>>>say 10mm to 12 ga. In some states you can get bear repellant where
>>>>>>>pepper spray is outlawed. Same cans, different lettering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And the Bear Spray tends to shoot farther and with more volume, then
>>>>>>small cans of "pepper spray"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are a couple advances of pepperspray over bullets
>>>>>>1. Doesnt harm the animal
>>>>>>2.Tends to temporarily blind them so they cant see you to attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the other hand...#2 is really really Iffy.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Just make sure you're up wind of the critter. Less chance of
>>>>>'blow back'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carry a caliber suitable to stop the attack, and use pepper spray as
>>>>>>your first line of defense..but be also prepared to quickly switch to
>>>>>>the caliber you chose if the spray doesnt fend off the attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Attention campers. The correct answer to 'What do you do when
>>>>>faced with abear in the wild?' is not 'Butter up the fat kid and push
>>>>>him in front!'!"
>>>>
>>>>Depends on ones relations with ones children. Id have slavered meat
>>>>sauce and put some fresh uncooked steaks in my sons shirt pocket if we
>>>>had been anyplace there were bears of any note.
>>>>
>>> Well, they're you're kids, so "You brung 'em in, you can take 'em
>>>out."
>>>
>>>http://www.rhjunior.com/CC/00055.html
>>>
>>>That's Charles in the hammock. He's a Counselor at a Summer Camp...
>>>and used to go there when he was a kid. He's the sort of counselor
>>>that the kids love, but the parents can't stand.
>>> What makes the "experience" so much fun is that the Camp is now
>>>sponsored by the ASPCA, PETA, The American Academy of Child and
>>>Adolescent Psychiatry, and Greenpeace." In other words, not a single
>>>group which knows beans about Nature, true Native American History, or
>>>children under the age of 24.
>>> I think you'll like it.
>>
>>Bookmarked!!
>>
>>Gunner
>
>Marvelous cartoon! I just read em start to finish. Funny as hell and
>accurate.
>
>Had me laughing hysterically in a number of places.
>
>Gunner, one time camp counseler

You might find "Nip and Tuck" a hoot , as well as "Quinton Questor
Space Ranger!" (He tears into the whole Star Trek mythos with a
chainsaw...)
I just laugh my self silly reading them. And inflicting them on
friends.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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