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TOPIC: Working class
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 12:08 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:16:35 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>GW Bush............. 55%

Dang !!!
He failed at everything !!

Only about a year now & Obama has already reformed much
of healthcare .... which has been a need for 50 years.

Find those "WMDs" yet?
Another winger failure ....
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Republican losing streak continues
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/acd15706db55f813?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 12:29 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:15:19 -0400, "Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com>
wrote:

>
><wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>news:svniq5pijdtl61v5fk10la50ncefln8la5@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:46:17 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You dont want tampons for wound management, you want napkins..large and
>>>extra absorbant. I have 5 cases.
>>
>> Planning on taking quite a few hits during the "great cull", eh
>> gummer? Or are you thinking napkin sandwiches?
>>
>> Wayne
>
>High in fiber!
>
Simply trading stock. Lots of folks will cut themselves, often badly,
some will have various surgeries performed on them by local doctors and
so forth. Sanitary napkins are a very useful commodity to have on
hand. The Ex went through menopause a few years aback, so they wont get
a lot of use except for wound management around this household.

Now Wayne...he can use them as a gag, while his large men friend pork
him in the ass, and pay him in cans of pork and beans.

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:46 am
From: "RogerN"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:61cc1381-1633-4588-ae7d-944fdf7f6d95@q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 22, 5:03 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:05 -0500, Ignoramus7894
>
>
>
>
>
> <ignoramus7...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid> wrote:
> >My own opinion, which is worth what you pay for it, it that this
> >legislative victory is also a political victory for Democrats, for two
> >reasons.
>
> >1. This is a more minor reason, but passage of this law removes the
> >factor of annoyance about uncertainty in the minds of voters and also
> >shows that Democrats are capable of accomplishing a large legislative
> >change. Just because the uncertainty is over, causes some relief in
> >the minds of voters and that is a favorable factor.
>
> >More briefly, now we cannot say that "Obama administration
> >accomplished nothing".
>
> >2. There is a large constituency of people, like parents of young
> >adults lacking coverage, people with substandard health insurance
> >policies, and so on, who would eventually realize the benefits of this
> >change. When they do, they will, presumably, support its
> >sponsors.
>
> >Also, people like me, who have health insurance, but realize that they
> >would likely lose it when they *really* need it, would also be
> >favorably inclined towards it.
>
> >3. The people negatively affected are those young healthy well paid
> >people who have to shoulder some of the costs. While some of them
> >might realize that one day they may become old and unhealthy and not
> >so well paid, even if they do not, extra taxes will be a drop in the
> >bucket and not a hot button issue like gun control.
>
> >The healthcare reform has every potential of becoming a sacred
> >political cow, like Medicare, and create a pro-Democrat constituency
> >where none previously existed.
>
> >Aside from elections, here's one more point that I want to make.
>
> >4. As Warren Buffett pointed out, our health care costs are 14-16% of
> >GDP and are much higher than for other industrialized nations, which
> >badly affects our competitive standing. The healthcare law has some
> >chances of reducing that percentage.
>
> >i
>
> Oh hell yes.
>
> And then those that are forced to buy insurance will simply kill
> Leftwing Extremists that have been unconstitutionaly driven to force
> others to pay for someone elses insurance.
>
> But hey...Leftwingers are going to be killed in hummm about 2 yrs, give
> or take a little bit..so its a moot issue.
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
/
/Are you saying that President Obama is going to be killed within 2
/years?
/
/Have you presented your evidence to the Secret Service?
/
/They would be very interested in knowing that you have guns too.
/
/TMT

I was hoping he would be assassinated before signing the Planned Parenthood
health care abortion bill. But according to the good book, liberals would
prevail, check, homosexuality would be rampant, check, and in the end God
will come back and put them all in their place, hell, though his arms are
open and willing to accept whoever repents and comes to him.

RogerN

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:52 am
From: "RogerN"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hoccqk$hq1$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 3/23/2010 11:31 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 11:38 am, "John R. Carroll"
>> <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:
>>> "RogerN"<re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:pbydneoFo9RP1TrWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Hawke"<davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ho7172$kp9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> Following in the footsteps of their losses in 2006 and 2008, the
>>>>> republican party has again suffered a crushing defeat. Despite doing
>>>>> everything possible to stop Obama and the Dems from passing health
>>>>> care
>>>>> reform, the republicans have failed again. Health care reform has
>>>>> passed.
>>>>> So chalk up another loss to the republican party...and the teabaggers.
>>>>> All their efforts could not stop the duly elected majority from doing
>>>>> what they said they would do if elected. For those who were asking
>>>>> what
>>>>> has Obama accomplished in his time in office you now have your answer.
>>>>> So
>>>>> next we get to see how bad the republican's predictions of the end of
>>>>> the
>>>>> world if the bill passes comes to reality. My prediction is things
>>>>> improve.
>>>
>>>>> Hawke
>>>
>>>> That's right, Obama and the Democrats stabbed the American people in
>>>> the
>>>> back by passing a health care bill that the majority of Americans
>>>> didn't
>>>> want. Hopefully the American people will remember them when it's time
>>>> to
>>>> vote.
>>>
>>> They will be constantly reminded right up to election day roger - by
>>> every
>>> Democrat in the country.
>>> The political suicide just commited has the Republican brand all over
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Political scientist Ruy Teixeira found hard evidence that underscores
>>> Frum's
>>> fears in a public opinion experiment undertaken by Newsweek last month.
>>> The
>>> magazine's pollsters first asked respondents whether they support or
>>> oppose
>>> the president's healthcare reform plan, with predictable results: 40
>>> percent
>>> in favor, 49 percent opposed, 11 percent undecided.
>>>
>>> Then the pollsters described major aspects of the bill -- the insurance
>>> exchanges, the strict regulation of insurance company policies, the
>>> requirement for insurance with government assistance to those who need
>>> help,
>>> the tax on expensive plans, the fines on those who don't get insurance,
>>> and
>>> the public option. Not only did most of those aspects of the bill poll
>>> favorably, but the overall legislation ticked up by 8 points when the
>>> pollsters asked the same people again whether they support or oppose it.
>>> The
>>> second time reversed the initial results: 48 percent in favor, 43
>>> percent
>>> opposed, 9 percent unsure.
>>>
>>> That sharp turnaround in opinion occurred in a matter of minutes during
>>> a
>>> telephone call with a stranger. Now the president and the congressional
>>> Democrats have seven months to make the same argument, and smart
>>> Republicans
>>> are properly terrified that they will.
>>>
>>> http://www.salon.com/news/healthcare_reform/index.html?story=/news/th...
>>>
>>> JC- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> It's going to be a Republican bloodbath in November.
>>
>> TMT
>
>
> That may well happen. But what is funny about it is that before the
> passage of the health care bill the republicans were bragging about taking
> over the House in November. They were cock sure they were going to stomp
> all over the Democrats in the next election. Now that the bill has passed
> it's as if all the air has gone out of the republican's balloon. As a
> party they are in deep shit. No leaders worth a damn, no plan, no ideas
> but tax cuts and opposition to everything the other side wants to do to
> improve the country. That doesn't sound like a party that is going
> anywhere.
>
> Hawke

Obama had to bribe Democrats to get enough votes to force his plan through
that the majority of Americans didn't want. Are the Democrats not
interested in representing the people that voted for them? Evidently not.

RogerN

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:55 am
From: "RogerN"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0d20b632-2199-4f9d-bc45-bf6dad08d5bb@h18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 22, 5:38 am, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ho7172$kp9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> > Following in the footsteps of their losses in 2006 and 2008, the
> > republican party has again suffered a crushing defeat. Despite doing
> > everything possible to stop Obama and the Dems from passing health care
> > reform, the republicans have failed again. Health care reform has
> > passed.
> > So chalk up another loss to the republican party...and the teabaggers.
> > All
> > their efforts could not stop the duly elected majority from doing what
> > they said they would do if elected. For those who were asking what has
> > Obama accomplished in his time in office you now have your answer. So
> > next
> > we get to see how bad the republican's predictions of the end of the
> > world
> > if the bill passes comes to reality. My prediction is things improve.
>
> > Hawke
>
> That's right, Obama and the Democrats stabbed the American people in the
> back by passing a health care bill that the majority of Americans didn't
> want. Hopefully the American people will remember them when it's time to
> vote.
>
> RogerN
/
/They will Roger...and they will vote the SOBs out who voted against
/the health bill.
/
/Worthless bastards who would deny health care to tiny babies.
/
/TMT

Not wanting the Obama/Planned Parenthood abortion bill does not mean you
want to deny healthcare to the babies that are not killed before birth. See
how you try to turn it around to something it's not, same type of lies have
worked before though.

RogerN

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:56 am
From: "RogerN"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5e86eec3-bad0-4828-b263-73e16e7e7646@19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 22, 6:31 pm, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ho7172$kp9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> > Following in the footsteps of their losses in 2006 and 2008, the
> > republican party has again suffered a crushing defeat. Despite doing
> > everything possible to stop Obama and the Dems from passing health care
> > reform, the republicans have failed again. Health care reform has
> > passed.
> > So chalk up another loss to the republican party...and the teabaggers.
> > All
> > their efforts could not stop the duly elected majority from doing what
> > they said they would do if elected. For those who were asking what has
> > Obama accomplished in his time in office you now have your answer. So
> > next
> > we get to see how bad the republican's predictions of the end of the
> > world
> > if the bill passes comes to reality. My prediction is things improve.
>
> > Hawke
>
> What about the last time the public got to vote? You remember when one of
> the most liberal states got to vote on someone to replace the extremely
> libtarded Ed, Ted, just be glad he's dead, Kennedy? The last time the
> public got to vote, a Republican won and a Democrat lost. Maybe an
> indication of things to come in November.
>
> RogerN
/
/And maybe not.
/
/Today's passing of the health bill tells you what November will be.
/
/TMT

Is Obama going to bribe voters too? Can I get an airport in my yard?

RogerN

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 2:46 am
From: Wes

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>> One of these days I'm going to try your way though. Actually if I had
>> to make a lot of these things I'd give up on my way, grind a HSS bit
>> and use your way. I only have to make three more now.
>>
>
>You can always grind up a bit or two now or pick up the appropriate holder
>cheap when you see one.
>Then you'll be prepared and the pucker factor will be less.
>Much less.
>

Its on the list.

>Personally, I'm only happy when the tool rotates and the work is clamped.
>I've seen too many parts come out of big CNC VTL's when the programmer or
>operator didn't clamp the table RPM.
>I've also seen hydraulic chucks gradually let go as the spindle got really
>turning.
>
>Breaking an end mill happens. Crashing into a part with a tool is something
>to avoid but at least when either of those happen, your work doesn't chase
>you around the room trying to kill you.
>

You have a point there.

We turn a lot of ~30 lb pulleys on CNC lathes at work. I've seen (repaired) the damage
that relatively small piece of metal spinning away inside the machine with the door closed
can do when it pulls out or the operator has a fubar.

I'll pass on seeing a vtl on a bad day. I don't run that fast anymore.

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:33 am
From: "RogerN"

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:gsbjq515i3759kgn7mqb288f5g2k5hkern@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:51:25 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I will be watching with interest, and with a lot of
>>distance. While I support liberty, and the Constitution, I'm
>>also not interested in challenging the power of the US
>>Government.
>
> Challenge of the government is essential to democracy. Fear of
> retribution for challenge of government is clear evidence of
> submission to and acceptance of tyranny.
>
> That's not to say that challenges should be by fire. That's revolution
> or anarchy, doomed to fail against vastly superior force unless done
> with considerably more coordination and fieldcraft than is evident
> among noisy dissidents clamoring for attention or trolling on usenet.

Learn from the terrorists but improve on their tactics.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 4:31 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

It's treason, and is an executable offense.

--
Ed Huntress

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:40 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 24, 7:31 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Don Foreman" <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gsbjq515i3759kgn7mqb288f5g2k5hkern@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:51:25 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> > <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>I will be watching with interest, and with a lot of
> >>distance. While I support liberty, and the Constitution, I'm
> >>also not interested in challenging the power of the US
> >>Government.
>
> > Challenge of the government is essential to democracy. Fear of
> > retribution for challenge of government is clear evidence of
> > submission to and acceptance of tyranny.
>
> > That's not to say that challenges should be by fire. That's revolution
> > or anarchy, doomed to fail against vastly superior force unless done
> > with considerably more coordination and fieldcraft than is evident
> > among noisy dissidents clamoring for attention or trolling on usenet.
>
> It's treason, and is an executable offense.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

After Don says that challenges should not be by fire, your statement
seems to be saying that any challenge to the government is treason.

Dan

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TOPIC: Little project: a repair part for a friend
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:10 am
From: Wes

Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>P.S: $95 to spend 1 minute on a ladder, then show and tell the lady
>what's wrong? I'm in the wrong business.

You didn't consider the 30 minutes drive time to spend that minute on the ladder.

Wes

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TOPIC: OT: Patio party lighting
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c614b024aabe62e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:27 am
From: "Buerste"

"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:55:45 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
> <buerste@buerste.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>I doubt I'll be perfectly happy with the first iteration.
>
> Yeah, yards are definitely evolutionary things, as are gardens.
>
>
>>I'm sure the
>>courtyards will evolve as the needs and ideas become more refined. I do
>>have the sound system started, that's easy! Last year I was happy with a
>>boombox MP3 player, this year I'll have good waterproof speakers hooked
>>into
>>the PVR in the family room. There I can use the cable music channels or
>>whatever is on the 3TB of drives attached. I have no plans of video
>>outside, we usually are able to keep ourselves amused. Thanks for the
>>links, there ARE some books available as you pointed out.
>
> Jewelcome.
>
>
>>I have 20 pallets of 100 year old pavers from a building I took down at
>
> Cool! Got pics?
>
>
>>work, With these, I plan on expanding the paved areas and building a
>>curving
>>wall around one of the big trees. I know that to do it right so it
>>doesn't
>>settle weirdly, I WILL hire a professional!
>
> Watch them closely. Done right, first excavate at least 6" deep, then
> put a layer of compactible gravel and stomp it, then drape landscape
> cloth over that, then add a 2" layer of sand and stomp it, then your
> pavers. Fill cracks with polymorphic sand which hardens as it dries.
> It ain't cheap, but done right, you won't have any broken ankles or
> wrists the second year.
>
>
>>Now that Obama-care is law,
>>I'll have so much money that I won't know what to do with it all!
>
> It'll be too bad about the company folding, though, when they fine you
> $1M for failure to ensure that your employees all had insurance.
>
> --

All my people have Kaiser or Veteran's benefits, I have a bunch of vets. My
Kaiser just went up 14%, probably due to one of the ladies having to have a
series of operations on her neck vertebrae due to some kind of degeneration.
She was out for a year. She and I started working at the same time during
summers in high school. Now, we are old and falling apart!

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TOPIC: Women.....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:30 am
From: "RogerN"

"Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:vgmiq518m1qifiolgf7099h0hba4ae2643@4ax.com...
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzrUztyd1Y&feature=player_embedded
>>
>>
>> laugh laugh laugh
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
> No wonder the liberals are so pro-abortion! I'm rethinking my position...

Actually it would be better to wait till they take a Democrat position then
abort them, late term abortion.

But how come all the pro-death ones in politics are dried up sorry old hags?
They really don't have a choice any more.

RogerN

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 6:56 am
From: Randy

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:18:23 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzrUztyd1Y&feature=player_embedded
>
>
>laugh laugh laugh
>
>Gunner

Who's that at 1:36?

Thank You,
Randy

Remove 333 from email address to reply.

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TOPIC: If George Bush........
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:40 am
From: "Buerste"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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> On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
>> "sittingduck"<duck@spamherelots.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D437977C3BA2duckrulestheuniverse@nomail.afraid.org...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.
>>>
>>> Waterloo
>>> March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum
>>>
>>> Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
>>> legislative defeat since the 1960s.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
>> "Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting
>> is
>> rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
>> "Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be
>> able
>> to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from
>> paying
>> all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
>> punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
>> little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the
>> country
>> faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!
>>
>>
>
> Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
> coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long time.
> The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings data is
> coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for the first
> quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is doing well. I
> guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your business. Sorry to
> hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But at least lots of
> other American businesses are doing very well, they are flush with cash,
> and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The economy is turning
> around. How is it that you so called business types are the last to know?
> No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't even know which way the
> economy is going even when all the signs are right there. You guys need to
> wake up. The problems were created when republicans ran things. They are
> being solved now that Democrats are in charge. Just like always.
>
> Hawke

Tell the 20% that are unemployed. Did you fail EVERY math class you ever
had? You must have, you certainly can't understand Economics 101. So good
of you to try to insult me personally, very predictable when you have no
argument. Run a D&B on me anytime you like...but then your insults would
just be more lies. You are a "Taker" and always will be...another millstone
on society...that can't do math.

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TOPIC: Right-Wing Freakouts
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 3:53 am
From: hal

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:52:35 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

>LOL...and today the market ended up, the sky didn't fall and millions
>of Americans just got access to medical care.
>
>Yep...it was a great day for America...and a really bad day for those
>who wish her ill.

laugh laugh laugh......

god (sic) I love it when the rightards have to eat shit.....

>
>TMT

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TOPIC: Rush to flee US
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 4:01 am
From: "RogerN"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hocd7q$id1$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 3/23/2010 6:07 PM, RogerN wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll"<jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
>> news:qPCdna3Swth2xjTWnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Ignoramus15798"<ignoramus15798@NOSPAM.15798.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:X7udncG0HNrexDTWnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> I did not know that there was such a rush to flee US.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When Rush Limbaugh flippantly said that if the healthcare reform bill
>>> passes "and all this stuff gets implemented, I am leaving the country.
>>> I'll go to Costa Rica," many of us considered that the lagniappe on a
>>> measure we're already pretty jazzed about.
>>>
>>> And so, after Sunday's historic passage of the bill, there was a burst
>>> of
>>> collective hope that the bloviating fan of prescription drugs might soon
>>> be Central America's problem. (Just don't tell him about Costa Rica's
>>> successful universal healthcare system.)
>>>
>>> But when Monday came and went and Limbaugh issued no "Hasta la vista,"
>>> two
>>> enterprising "dudes living in Brooklyn" named Mike and Patrick decided
>>> to
>>> help move things along. They created A Ticket for Ru$h, where visitors
>>> can
>>> contribute -- $1 at a time -- toward the cost of a first-class, one-way
>>> ticket to Juan Santamaria International Airport.
>>>
>>> How eager was the Web community to expedite Limbaugh's transfer to
>>> balmier
>>> climes? Within 18 hours, the site had raised close to $1,500. But Mike
>>> and
>>> Patrick, who say they're currently uninsured, are still collecting
>>> donations and busily researching "the cost of a modest apartment in
>>> Costa
>>> Rica, cost of a moving service, and cost of Spanish lessons (just to be
>>> safe)." They're running their drive until the last day of April, when,
>>> they vow, they'll contact Rush directly with their generous offer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Limbaugh's current difficulties unloading his Liberace museum-inspired
>>> Manhattan apartment indicate both a desire to move and a shortness of
>>> funds, so one might think he'd leap at this opportunity like a Central
>>> American squirrel monkey on a tree frog. But if the pundit balks at
>>> leaving his murals of beaches for real beaches, Mike and Patrick have
>>> pledged to give all the money to a good cause. They've earmarked the
>>> donations they collect to go to the organization Limbaugh recently
>>> described as "giddy because of all the new abortions there are going to
>>> be" under healthcare reform: Planned Parenthood.
>>>
>>> http://www.aticketforrush.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JC
>>
>>
>> He doesn't need to leave the country because the USA no longer exists,
>> welcome to Ameristan! So much for Bi-partisan, so much for Obama's 5
>> days
>> before signing any bill, so much for the constitution. Thanks to the
>> Democrats we have the Divided States of Ameristan.
>>
>> RogerN
>>
>>
>
> Don't worry, Roger. When the public sees how much better this bill is
> going to make their health care they will not stay divided long. When you
> consider all the lies told by the right, when the people find out the
> truth, that they benefit from the health care reform the divisions created
> by right wing lies will quickly fade. Things are going to get better. As
> you will soon find out, the right has been telling you lies again, and
> again you fell for them. Did you forget the lies about WMDs already? You
> still trust the republicans when they tell you things? What's that thing
> Bush said fool me once shame on me...you know the rest that Bush
> butchered.
>
> Hawke

Even Obama's own Doctor cousin said this health care bill was bad. But, I
guess we'll see.

RogerN

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:01 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:h4idnUYDXJ7YFTTWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
>> message news:_Y-dncS77et8_TTWnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4ba95f68$0$22506$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:FbudnTjqIancwzTWnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4ba95d17$0$22518$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ignoramus15798" <ignoramus15798@NOSPAM.15798.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:X7udncG0HNrexDTWnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> I did not know that there was such a rush to flee US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> Talk Radio just won another round.
>>> If you want to see something interesting, have a look at the list of
>>> advertisers for Savage, Beck and Limbaugh.
>>>
>>> JC
>>
>> I didn't see anything useful. Do you have a link to some analysis of
>> the advertisers?
>
> I've got a list that one of the industry groups sells or maybe it was an
> agency.
> I'll dig it up and post it. It's on my lap top.
>
> Most of the big buyers shy away except for vehicle manufacturers. Apple,
> for
> example, won't make a buy from FOX at all.
> They end up with a list that looks like something Howard Stern was
> attracting when he was broadcasting over the airwaves. Carbonite comes to
> mind. What I was curious about in the first place was how Fox's audience
> share translated into advertising and from who.
>
> --
> John R. Carroll

As of last year, they actually had pretty good demographics overall. The
*psychographics* for the news segments, though, has got to be a challenge
for the account executives. I'd think that Viagra and sausage-gravy
producers would do well with it, though. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:00 am
From: Klaus Shadenfreude

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:02:57 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

>LOL...reminds me of the night of the 2008 elections when I happened to
>come across Faux News...a classic "deer caught in the headlights"
>moment that I will always cherish.

Kinda like the night you demanded someone's address thinking they
wouldn't post it, but they DID.

THAT was a classic deer in the headlights look we'll all remember....

___________
"I will be bringing the local cops with me to visit you so be sure you
have enough doughnuts for all of us. ;<)"
-Too Many Tools, 5/30/09

"Try posting your real address just once and I will
guarantee you a visit."
-Too Many Tools, 6/2/09, right before
he scrambled for excuses not to show up.

"Got a valid address yet winger?
I would like to arraign[sic] a visit for you."
-Too Many Tools, 6/19/09, still hoping
someone actually believes him.

"Give us a valid address and we can arraign [sic] a playdate with some
friends."
-Too Many Tools 7-1-2009 STILL trying to get
someone to believe him

"Show a picture of your mailbox then...with you in front of it. ;<)"
-Too Many Tools 7-2-2009 changing the conditions in
another desperate attempt to weasel out of visiting

"Provide the information and you will receive a visit."
-Too Many Tools, 9-16-2009, yet again making promises
he has no intention of keeping.

"Why don't you provide us with a valid name and address ...and we will
arrange a visit for you."
-Too Many Tools, 9-20-2009, yet *again* making promises
he has no intention of keeping.

"Got your real address yet?"
-Too Many Tools, 3-4-2010, STILL trying to make believe
he can work up the courage to "visit" someone.

"Did you post a real address yet?"
-Too Many Tools, 3-4-2010, wanting so hard to convince
anyone who will listen...

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TOPIC: Westec Cruising 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b1ee9ba1685df310?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:06 am
From: "bottlbob@earthlink.net"

Went to Westec Tuesday. It was held in the South Hall just like the
2009 Westec. There may have been a few more booths than last year but
nothing like in it's heyday years where it filled two large halls plus
half the downstairs of another hall.

I don't have any statistics to back this up, but it's my "impression"
that there was a much larger turnout of attendees this year compared
to last year. I arrived their early, but by the time I'd covered half
the exhibits (about an hour), you couldn't walk 10 feet in a straight
line without having to wait for someone to move, make a detour, or
have to back up to let someone pass, whereas last year you could just
breeze through the aisles. Also it "seemed" like there were a lot of
older people (shop owners perhaps?), and quite a few younger guys (out
of work machinists?), the mid-range age group didn't seem to be as
well represented. But then again, I could have been imagining things.

Perhaps I missed something, but there didn't appear to be any displays
of new cutting edge Earthshaking technology. Haas was there with some
machines but booths from a number of other large machine tool builders
seemed conspicuously absent.

There was a laser Faro arm being demoed that I thought was cool. I
only caught part of the demo, but it looked like they were reverse
engineering a solid part and it was being reproduced on a monitor.
But Faro arms have been around for ages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI9I0H8gAEM

There was a small company that was displaying some jaws for Kurt type
vises that they called the "E-Z Sine Angle Jaw Set", which had a
movable bar that you could set at virtually any angle you wanted (it
had engraved degree marks on the jaw itself). Also, you could remove
the angle bar and screw on some other bars at any height that acted
like parallels. They don't appear to have a web-site but the jaws
came in a little case for about $299.

Another company (Lang Technovation) had a cute little centering vise
(both jaws moving toward the center), with serrated jaws called the
Makro•Grip®, supposedly for 5 axis work.

http://tinyurl.com/yjyetde

Kurt was showing a couple of small chucks that bolt to tombstones (or
any fixture plate for that matter). One, a two jaw chuck, the other a
three jaw chuck. They had a combination course pitch/fine pitch
scroll where you could move the jaws fast then it would switch to the
fine pitch for greater holding power. The salesman said they were new
- that must be the case since I can't find them on Kurt's workholding
site.

All in all I'd say it was a pretty good show (given it's size).

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

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TOPIC: Machine safety
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c8ed0e0e3ad0e725?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:47 am
From: Dave__67

On Mar 23, 10:53 pm, "stu" <no where just yet> wrote:
> "cncmillgil" <mil...@cin.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8cd6ca38-8b23-42e8-892d-d1eaaab53be5@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1
>
> --
>
> What I don't understand about this device is why does the blade need to be
> stopped so fast? It wreaks the aluminium stop which needs to be replaced
> (the figure i remember is about $70) and possibly the blade as well. The
> blade appears to drop fast enough that little more damage would result if it
> was just left spinning. Maybe they couldnt patent that alone?

It is actually using the momentum of the blade to pull the blade down-
if the blade didn't stop so quickly, it wouldn't drop so quickly.

Dave

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 6:49 am
From: Randy

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <milgil@cin.net>
wrote:

>Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

My worry would be false trips, say goodbye to the blade and aluminum
stop. BTW, A while ago I saw a show with that same machine and they
recommended a $100 moisture meter for wood, if the wood has just a
little too much water in it the machine will trip.

Thank You,
Randy

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TOPIC: Surface Plates
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bc2625a5c4711576?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:57 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 24, 2:58 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:57:57 -0700 (PDT), "dcas...@krl.org" <dcas...@krl.org>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 21, 5:16 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> >wrote:
> >> Surface Plates are often made of granite.
> >> Why don't they make them from harder rock ?
> >> --
> >> Cliff
>
> >Why would one pick a material which is significantly more expensive to
> >fabricate and has no significant advantages?
>
> Harder = more resistant to wear for starters.
>
> > Dan
>
> --
> Cliff

I have not found a lot of worn out granite surface plates around
here. Granite surface plates are already significantly harder than
cast iron ones. What harder rock would you choose?

Dan

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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e2ba8fcc22c79a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 6:07 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <k56dnd3PYp0JWzXWnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Frnak McKenney <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:20:59 -0400, Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
> > In article <4ba68ca4$0$22544$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> > "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> What Dan is talking about is measuring it across oceans. It may
> >> well be possible to a high degree of accuracy. And it very well
> >> may tell you all kinds of useful things about the relationships
> >> of ocean temperatures in certain regions to weather. It probably
> >> also will tell you about a *mean* temperature trend along a
> >> specific Great Circle line.
>
> > Measuring across oceans is precisely what is done. And, acoustic
> > computerized tomography gives you the voxel-by-voxel temperature
> > of the ocean, not just the mean temperature of a great-circle path.
>
> > The method resembles that used with X-rays (in CT scanners), where
> > the X-ray attenuation of a very large number of independent paths
> > and directions is combined mathematically to yield the 2D
> > attenuation function (which we see as the image).
>
> > Circling back to acoustics, what is measured is the transit times
> > along a large number of paths through the ocean of interest.
> > These transit-time measurements are combined to compute the speed
> > of sound in each and every voxel, yielding the speed image. From
> > this (and independent salinity measurements) one can compute
> > temperature.
>
> Not just salinity. From the Science Observer column of the
> March-April 2010 issue of American Scientist, pp. 121-122:
>
> Amplifying with Acid: More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere means a
> noisier ocean
>
> "...[CO2 absorption] also has a secondary consequence: it
> decreases the ocean's ability to absorb low-frequency sound.
>
> "Oceanographers Tatia Ilyna and Richard Zeebe at the University of
> Hawaii, along with geochemist Peter Brewer of the Monterey Bay
> Aquarium Research Institute in California, report in the December
> 20 issue of Nature Geoscience that lowering the pH of the ocean by
> 0.6 units could decrease underwater sound absorption by more than
> 60 percent."

I read this too, but they don't claim a significant effect on the speed of
sound, only reduced sound attenuation, which actually makes speed measurements
easier.

> "... Changes in pH can impact the deep ocean because at about 1
> kilometer down, the properties of temperature and pressure combine
> to produce a 'channel' of water in which sound can propagate for
> many thousands of kilometers. Whales and other marine life make
> use of this channel for long-range communication. Most human-made
> noise forms at the surface, but it can reflect and refract down
> into this channel as well. ..."

This channel is very effective, allowing communications across the entire
Pacific Ocean basin, for instance. This works because confining the sound to
spread in a 2D channel (versus 3D space) changes the inverse-square-of-distance
path attenuation law into a simple inverse-of-distance path attenuation law,
which makes huge difference at large distances.

> You may now return to your regularly-scheduled discussion, dialogue,
> and/or debate. <grin>

Yep.

Joe Gwinn

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TOPIC: Advice on truck
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 7:16 am
From: Randy

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT), stryped <stryped1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I have available a silver 2006 f-150 4 door short bed for 7,000. It is
>a leased vehicle for a company that my dad works at and has 136,000
>miles on it. Is this a good deal? Are these dependable? My curent
>truck has 315,000 on it and it is a king cab without the doors. It
>wouls be nice to be able to have the extra doors to haul the kids
>around.

2 minutes of research on ebay say it's a good deal if it's in nice
shape.

search f150 ford 2006 crew

Thank You,
Randy

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TOPIC: Would you buy a new Toyota?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 6:18 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 24, 1:27 am, Ted Frater <ted.fra...@virgin.net> wrote:

> To answer the headline question,
> no,
> why,?
> you cannot have the smallest chance of a glitch that makes the car go
> when you want it to stop.
> Its called primary structure.
> Just because it can be done by computer doesnt mean it should be, when
> simpler and 100% fail safe solutions are and have been available.
> Id go so far to say I would not have one even if it was given to me for
> free.

> Ted.

I will take all the free ones in a heart beat.

The fuel injection needs to be done with a microprocessor, the simpler
solutions are not good enough.

I would prefer getting free Toyota's with manual transmissions, but
how hard would it be to add a kill switch for ignition system if one
was really worried about the fuel injection system failing?

Dan

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