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TOPIC: Obama pulls up droopy drawers, albeit a bit late
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/908f1961ac8904f7?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:19 pm
From: Hawke

On 11/3/2010 7:26 PM, RogerN wrote:
> "Buddy Beavers"<Buddy@Beavers.invalid> wrote in message
> news:iassdm$ct1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Barack Obama said, "as president I take responsibility" for the economic
>> issues that led to last night's GOP takeover of the House of
>> Representatives ...
>>
>> http://chicagoist.com/2010/11/03/obama_muses_on_election_night.php
>>
>>
>> ...no shit Sherlock, that's what we've been telling you libtards all
>> along. Well, at least it's a start!
>>
>
> One thing I appreciate about Obama, there is no one that can do a better job
> at getting Republicans elected!
>
> RogerN

Funny? I don't remember you saying that in 2008.

Hawke

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TOPIC: A rather catchy tune..Thanks Canucks!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/afc83fd523a92e88?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:22 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:42:04 -0500, "Buddy Beavers"
<Buddy@Beavers.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote in message
>news:ib2ao2$89s$12@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 16:39:33 +0000, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And what the fuck does this crosspost have to do with metalworking?
>>
>> Nothing. Nothing to do with misc.survivalism either. But then again
>> it's Gummer. Use your Bozo Filter, he was an irresponsible, lying,
>> asshole before his strokes.
>>
>> And hasn't improved since.
>>
>>> regular
>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
>I like how Curls replies to the same messages as I, not long after. He
>claims that he has me kill-filed. But both Curls and the Douchebag read
>every word with great interest. I'm really flattered.

But of course. They both lie repeatedly in some insane effort to make
themselves "look superior"...and never catch on that they are both well
known fools and their methods are engraved in stone.

Gunner

--
"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

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TOPIC: Olbermann Suspended, Rachel Madcow gets identical haircut in support
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/89c3c52a2e1bd358?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:22 pm
From: "anorton"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:ib2h1d$tmq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 11/5/2010 7:35 PM, Buddy Beavers wrote:
>> Keith Olbermann, the pre-eminent liberal voice on American television,
>> was suspended Friday after his employer, MSNBC, discovered that he made
>> campaign contributions to three Democrats last month.
>>
>> The indefinite suspension was a stark display of the clash between
>> objectivity and opinion in television journalism. While Mr. Olbermann is
>> anchor of what is essentially the "Democratic Nightly News," the
>> decision affirmed that he was being held to the same standards as other
>> employees of MSNBC and its parent, NBC News, both of which answer to NBC
>> Universal. Most journalistic outfits discourage or outright prohibit
>> campaign contributions by employees.
>
>
> But not Fox. Over there they let their people shill for right wing
> politicians all the time. Hannity, Palin, and Huckabee, all donate to
> right wing candidates and do fund raisers for them too. So while some
> networks have standards that are meant to keep them from being biased Fox
> clearly does not. But since Fox is not a news outlet but is a political
> organization they don't have to go along with the standards a real news
> outlet has to follow. Olbermann knew the rules and he broke them. So he
> has to pay the price for it. He should have known better.
>
>
> Hawke

And the right wing propaganda outlets do not insist their people check facts
either. See this CNN report about that supposed 200million/day figure for
the presidential trip.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/11/04/ac.obamas.india.trip.cost2.mov.cnn?hpt=C2

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:52 pm
From: "Buddy Beavers"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:ib2h1d$tmq$1@speranza.aioe.org...

> Olbermann knew the rules and he broke them. So he has to pay the price for
> it. He should have known better.
>

Ayup.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:56 pm
From: "Buddy Beavers"

"anorton" <anorton@removethis.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:Br2dnVunyeitV0nRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> "Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
> news:ib2h1d$tmq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 11/5/2010 7:35 PM, Buddy Beavers wrote:
>>> Keith Olbermann, the pre-eminent liberal voice on American television,
>>> was suspended Friday after his employer, MSNBC, discovered that he made
>>> campaign contributions to three Democrats last month.
>>>
>>> The indefinite suspension was a stark display of the clash between
>>> objectivity and opinion in television journalism. While Mr. Olbermann is
>>> anchor of what is essentially the "Democratic Nightly News," the
>>> decision affirmed that he was being held to the same standards as other
>>> employees of MSNBC and its parent, NBC News, both of which answer to NBC
>>> Universal. Most journalistic outfits discourage or outright prohibit
>>> campaign contributions by employees.
>>
>>
>> But not Fox. Over there they let their people shill for right wing
>> politicians all the time. Hannity, Palin, and Huckabee, all donate to
>> right wing candidates and do fund raisers for them too. So while some
>> networks have standards that are meant to keep them from being biased Fox
>> clearly does not. But since Fox is not a news outlet but is a political
>> organization they don't have to go along with the standards a real news
>> outlet has to follow. Olbermann knew the rules and he broke them. So he
>> has to pay the price for it. He should have known better.
>>
>>
>> Hawke
>
> And the right wing propaganda outlets do not insist their people check
> facts either. See this CNN report about that supposed 200million/day
> figure for the presidential trip.
> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/11/04/ac.obamas.india.trip.cost2.mov.cnn?hpt=C2
>
>

Don't tell us, they lowballed the figure?

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TOPIC: Is it me, or ............
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/eab7d29eeaca3d3e?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:25 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:32:00 -0700, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@invalid.diversify.com> wrote:

>
>Ackshully, the problem is that large cities breed liberals.
>
Its just another form of pollution. Like bad air, crappy water, smelly
streets and bums begging change and trying to molest little children and
old ladies

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TOPIC: Barbara Boxer meets her match
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c179569b55b7cce7?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:28 pm
From: Hawke

On 11/5/2010 5:30 PM, Buddy Beavers wrote:
>
>
> "Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
> news:ib04h1$qkt$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 11/3/2010 1:38 PM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>>> I actually believe that Obama could do more damage to the country in
>>> eight years than Bush did in eight years. With the change in
>>> Congress, I hope we end up with a lot of improvements.
>>
>> That's possible, but to know it Obama would have to get 8 years which
>> to compare to Bush's.
>
> Luckily for us, that's not going to happen. He'll be off to write his
> memoirs in 2012.
>
>
>> Don't hold your breath because with two thirds of the government under
>> Democratic control and only the House under republican control what
>> you have is a recipe for nothing to get done. My prediction is we get
>> two years where nothing positive is achieved.
>
> Yep, two more years of the big zero, and then back to restoring the
> country to greatness. Remember, it was the democrats who didn't want to
> "stay the course," then they couldn't "turn the ship around". So the
> ship goes around in circles without a steady hand at the helm. Soon the
> democrats will all be repudiated and we can get this country back on
> course.

You mean restore the country to greatness like the republicans just did
for us under the two terms of the great president George W. Bush? Funny
thing is that as awful a president as Bush was the group that is
available now is hardly any better. I'm rooting for Palin. I hope you
right wingers get her as your next presidential candidate. She would be
a fitting choice after Bush. You would go from the worst male president
ever to the first and worst female president. I can't wait. By 2012 the
economy should be bouncing back quite a bit and that means Obama will be
nicely positioned to beat another shithead republican nominee just like
he did the last one.

Hawke

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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:49 pm
From: "Buddy Beavers"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:ib2i0r$v45$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 11/5/2010 5:30 PM, Buddy Beavers wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>> news:ib04h1$qkt$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 11/3/2010 1:38 PM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>>>> I actually believe that Obama could do more damage to the country in
>>>> eight years than Bush did in eight years. With the change in
>>>> Congress, I hope we end up with a lot of improvements.
>>>
>>> That's possible, but to know it Obama would have to get 8 years which
>>> to compare to Bush's.
>>
>> Luckily for us, that's not going to happen. He'll be off to write his
>> memoirs in 2012.
>>
>>
>>> Don't hold your breath because with two thirds of the government under
>>> Democratic control and only the House under republican control what
>>> you have is a recipe for nothing to get done. My prediction is we get
>>> two years where nothing positive is achieved.
>>
>> Yep, two more years of the big zero, and then back to restoring the
>> country to greatness. Remember, it was the democrats who didn't want to
>> "stay the course," then they couldn't "turn the ship around". So the
>> ship goes around in circles without a steady hand at the helm. Soon the
>> democrats will all be repudiated and we can get this country back on
>> course.
>
>
> You mean restore the country to greatness like the republicans just did
> for us under the two terms of the great president George W. Bush? Funny
> thing is that as awful a president as Bush was the group that is available
> now is hardly any better. I'm rooting for Palin. I hope you right wingers
> get her as your next presidential candidate. She would be a fitting choice
> after Bush. You would go from the worst male president ever to the first
> and worst female president. I can't wait. By 2012 the economy should be
> bouncing back quite a bit and that means Obama will be nicely positioned
> to beat another shithead republican nominee just like he did the last one.
>

Palin will handily defeat Hillary. What are you thinking?

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TOPIC: Rat lapping
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bd21aa983c2353ff?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:45 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-11-04, Christopher Tidy <christopher.tidy@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:27 pm, wws <wstie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Flat lapping is legitimate.
>> Think microns, such as optical flats.
>> Maybe Chinese?
>
> I did wonder if the word was flat. Here's the picture:
> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-IntAAAAMAAJ&q=%22rat+lapping%22
>
> According to Google, it's "rat". But flat or part sounds more
> sensible.

Likely an artifact of the OCR and a ligature of 'f' and 'l'. I
know that "fi" used to be commonly printed as a ligature (squished
together, so the dot of the 'i' merges with the ball on the top of the
loop of a lower-case 'f' in certain type faces.

Check this web page on the subject:

<http://www.will-harris.com/ligatures.htm>

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: Howard Hughes(spruce content)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6dcab37f14cd4fdc?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:37 pm
From: JR North

Watched a good bio of HH on A&EBio. I've always felt, and watching
that reitterated that thought, that watching the H-4 taxi and take
off, Hughes prolly had it at 100% power, and realized the lumbering
behemoth could not lift higher after it lost ground effect lift.
Hughes, ever the daredevil, would certainly have flown it at least in
a go-around pattern had it been capable of doing so. The claims that
it could carry 70+ troops, tanks and jeeps would have been clearly
disproved had he attempted, and failed a go around.
JR
Dweller in the cellar
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TOPIC: Citing Health Overhaul, AARP Hikes Employee Costs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7dd650fdbc279f0d?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:47 pm
From: "Buddy Beavers"

Citing health overhaul, AARP hikes employee costs
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press
Thu Nov 4, 4:34 pm ET

WASHINGTON - AARP's endorsement helped secure passage of President Barack
Obama's health care overhaul. Now the seniors' lobby is telling its
employees their insurance costs will rise partly as a result of the law.

In an e-mail to employees, AARP says health care premiums will increase by 8
percent to 13 percent next year because of rapidly rising medical costs.

more...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101104/ap_on_bi_ge/us_aarp_health_plan

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TOPIC: How Long Would You Leave It In The Freezer
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7bc1f59c8d841be0?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:57 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-11-04, Bob La Londe <nospam@nospam.no> wrote:
> Hey Pete, You suggested freezing an arbor and then fitting to get a good
> engagement. I'm not having any issue with the taper to drill press after
> degreasing, but the taper to chuck is still an issue.

Did you try any of the impact assembly methods mentioned by
several (including me)?

> I thought I might try
> freezing the arbor and fitting it to the chuck. That's gotta be a better
> alternative than green loctite sleeve locker. So, how long would you leave
> the arbor in the freezer to get the metal down to the lowest core temp
> possible?

That is a function of how big an arbor it is. I would suggest
for a MT-2 arbor with any reasonable Jacobs taper at the other end, an
hour should suffice.

But I would *also* put the chuck in the oven (perhaps about 150F
or so -- certainly not above the boiling point of water), and handle
both it and the arbor with thermally insulating gloves.

> Freezer is set at 0F and ambient is in the high 70s right now.

Ignore ambient -- heat the chuck.

But the impact works well for me. My preference being to hold
by the arbor with the chuck uppermost, and bring it down on a chunk of
2x4 resting on a concrete floor or the like. The inertia of the chuck
slams it firmly onto the arbor. (Obviously, clean of oil first.)

But before you try *either* approach -- check with a very thin
film of spot check bluing for a proper fit. It might be that one of the
two parts is the European taper which is not quite Jabobs, and the other
is truly Jacobs. In that case, you will never get a truly good fit.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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TOPIC: 75th Rangers ( Gunner's unit in Vietnam), was Fast track toinequality...
.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3bec3b748dba32a4?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:53 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Ignoramus7928 wrote:
>
> On 2010-11-05, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:24:45 -0400, Brian Lawson <lawsonb@ciaccess.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 04:35:53 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
> >><rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>BIIIGGGG SNIP
> >>>
> >>>OK, Show of hands: Who believes any of this?
> >>
> >> I DO !!
> >>......... I DO !!!
> >>
> >>...both hands waving in the air.
> >>
> >>But that's 'cuz although I heartily disagree with much of Gunners
> >>politics, he's a friend. The only bullshit I get from him is what he
> >>would or wouldn't do for some Libby in trouble. Even against his
> >>better judgment, he'd be the first to help in any way he could. He
> >>just can't help it. He'd have to.
> >>
> >>Take care.
> >>
> >>Brian Lawson,
> >>Bothwell, Ontario.
> >
> > Thanks Brian.
> >
> > Gunner
> >
>
> Gunner, under what name exactly did you serve there?

How much money did you make last year?

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Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

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Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:55 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:03:13 -0500, Ignoramus7928
> <ignoramus7928@NOSPAM.7928.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 2010-11-05, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:00:53 -0500, Don Foreman
> >><dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:07:37 -0500, Jeff M <NoSpam@NoThanks.org>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 11/4/2010 4:22 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>>>[snip]
> >>>>>> Gunner,
> >>>>>> 75th Rangers, 71-73 RVN
> >>>>
> >>>>"The conventional approach to the history of LRRP, LRP, and Ranger unit
> >>>>employment in Vietnam is first to acknowledge the three chronological
> >>>>periods of their existence: ...
> >>>>... On 1 February 1969, the final period of the existence of these units
> >>>>began when the Department of the Army re-designated the LRP companies
> >>>>and detachments as lettered Ranger companies of the 75th Infantry
> >>>>Regiment under the Combined Arms Regimental System (CARS) ... The third
> >>>>period ended when the Ranger companies were inactivated as their parent
> >>>>units were withdrawn from the war between November 1969 (Company O of 3d
> >>>>Brigade 82d Airborne Division), and 15 August 1972 (Company H of 1st Air
> >>>>Cavalry Division) [6]"
> >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Ranger_Regiment_%28United_States%29#Vietnam_War
> >>>>*****
> >>>> Co C (Ranger),75th Infantry I Field Force Vietnam 1 Feb. 1969 - 25
> >>>>Oct. 1971
> >>>>Co D (Ranger),151st Infantry II Field Force Vietnam 1 Feb. 1969 - 20
> >>>>Nov. 1969
> >>>>Co D (Ranger),75th Infantry II Field Force Vietnam 20 Nov. 1969 - 10
> >>>>Apr. 1970
> >>>>Co E (Ranger),75th Infantry 9th Infantry Division 1 Feb. 1969 - 12 Oct. 1970
> >>>>Co F (Ranger),75th Infantry 25th Infantry Division 1 Feb. 1969 - 15 Mar 1971
> >>>>Co G (Ranger),75th Infantry 23rd Infantry Division 1 Feb. 1969 - 1 Oct. 1971
> >>>>Co H (Ranger),75th Infantry 1st Cavalry Division 1 Feb. 1969 - 15 Aug. 1972
> >>>>Co I (Ranger),75th Infantry 1st Infantry Division 1 Feb. 1969 - 7 Apr. 1970
> >>>>Co K (Ranger),75th Infantry 4th Infantry Division 1 Feb. 1969 - 10 Dec. 1970
> >>>>Co L (Ranger),75th Infantry 1O1st Airmobile Division 1 Feb. 1969 - 25
> >>>>Dec. 1971
> >>>>Co M (Ranger),75th Infantry 199th Infantry Brigade 1 Feb. 1969 - 12 Oct.
> >>>>1970
> >>>>Co N (Ranger),75th Infantry 173rd Airborne Brigade 1 Feb. 1969 - 25 Aug.
> >>>>1971
> >>>>Co 0 (Ranger),75th Infantry 3rd Brigade,82nd Abn. 1 Feb. 1969 - Division
> >>>>20 Nov. 1969
> >>>>Co P (Ranger),75th Infantry 1st Brigade, 5th Mech. 1 Feb. 1969 -
> >>>>Division 31 Aug. 1971.
> >>>>http://www.suasponte.com/vietnam.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>There didn't seem to have been too many of the 75th Rangers in-country
> >>>>in the period of 1971-73. In fact, it appears that the last of them,
> >>>>(Co. H) left around 15 Aug 72, officially, anyway. It seems likely that
> >>>>a survivor or two of such a relatively small handful of guys would
> >>>>surely remember Gunner well enough to help him verify his service and
> >>>>get his military records sorted out (Gunner enlisted under a false name,
> >>>>since he was underage at the time, causing him to have no record, DD
> >>>>214, etc.), so he can get the benefits and recognition to which his
> >>>>service entitles him.
> >>>>
> >>>>The reunion for the 75th Ranger Association is set for July 25-30, 2011.
> >>>> http://www.75thrra.com/ That would be a good way for Gunner to make
> >>>>the re-acquaintance with his former brothers in arms. Maybe someone
> >>>>here could pass this on to him, or even help him out with it? I offered
> >>>>to help him with it in the past, since I'd dealt with other
> >>>>underage-enlisted vets, but he wasn't interested. Still, I firmly
> >>>>believe that no vet should be denied his due.
> >>>
> >>>Roger that!
> >>
> >> Indeed. Shrug But as Ive mentioned before..I was TDY for much of my (2)
> >> tours..as many here know..parts of the 75th was used as a "paper
> >> anchor" for people who were involved in other activities. Particularly
> >> Company D and H..which had lots of names..but fewer
> >> actual...participants. CORDS had fingers in many many dikes..
> >>
> >> As Ive stated ..I am somewhat familiar with the Special Activities
> >> Division.... and the Chien dich Phung Hoang, and after 1972...may have
> >> been .loaned to an organization inside the Department of
> >> Agriculture....along with my PRU 'yards/mercs. Shrug Until I zigged
> >> instead of zagged and was medivaced to Japan late in 1973.
> >>
> >> I heard about Agnews resignation over the tv..heard because I was blind
> >> and bedridden in Honsu, Japan. 163 lbs. 35 lbs under my inservice
> >> weight.
> >>
> >>
> >> Good doctors there. Though with all the tetracycline they stuffed in
> >> me..Im allergic to it now days.
> >>
> >> 3 months later..I was doing my "walkabout" in Europe.
> >>
> >> You do know that there were quite a number of Americans still working in
> >> and around the Triangle after May of 1973, do you not? Some guys were
> >> there till 1975. True indeed. They are some who really hate the
> >> Government btw. The few articles one encounters with reference to
> >> Americans in the area after 1973...refer to "policemen and other people"
> >>
> >>
> >> And more than a few Yanks participated in Rhodesias little dust up here
> >> and there until 1979...though some decided that enough was enough and
> >> simply..left.
> >>
> >> Feel free to google any questions you might have. Answers are indeed
> >> out there. You just wont get them from me.
> >>
> >> And since Im now finished with this part of this discussion...does Jeff
> >> have any comments about his party getting its ass kicked in Phase 1 of
> >> the Return of the Nation to the Constitution?
> >>
> >>
> >> Gunner
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I am just thinking, at least let your friends from the 75th know where
> >you are. They are probably wondering about you and want to meet you. I
> >am sure that quite a few of them are trying to find their long lost
> >friends. If I were you, I would not pass up the opportunity to
> >reconnect with them!
> >
> >i
> Son...I have no living friends in the 75th to the best of my
> knowledge..and as I mentioned..my involvement with that group was
> largely on paper. Unless you dont know what TDY means. And perhaps you
> might wish to google PRU as well.
>
> Now I do know a couple retired guys who used to work for the Christians
> in Action, and a couple retired GBs who I crossed paths with .....shrug
> But most of us live simple lives without much contact with those that
> survived. No reason to. And I brought out my Hmung buddy in 1985 from
> a refugee camp in Thailand..but you wont be getting his name or
> location either. He married into the Jari..which is quite rare. And I
> was his "best man" at the "wedding"..so to speak. He saved my life
> several times, I saved his..we share a life bond..
>
> That was then..this is now. And if I want to relive old memories..all I
> need to do is have a few drinks and take a nap in a nice quiet room.
> Which is one of the reasons...I dont drink. Some memories..really need
> to stay in a steel box in a tightly locked room way way back in the
> brain. Perhaps the term "Phung Hoang" will tell you what sort of
> memories those might be. Shrug.
>
> I have no great love or hate for my service, I did what I had to do, had
> some fun, had some bad times, did my job to the best of my ability and
> then got on with my life. Any but a few surviving military friends I
> have, are generally not American born.....
>
> http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/the-fate-of-the.html
> http://www.mhro.org/immigration_family_reunification.html
> http://www.ethniccommunities.org/spotlightold.htm
>
> They do take donations btw. Ive been kicking in a few bucks now and then
> for many years.
>
> Sat Cong!!

If there were any US GIs you wanted to find, you could use the
www.military.com buddy finder.

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TOPIC: which .45 cal?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/75e75360fe85674f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:56 pm
From: "Tom Gardner"

"Wes" <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ti0Bo.381966$iV7.341546@en-nntp-15.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Califbill" <bmckee@nospamix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>45
>>ACP costs me less than 3 cents each to reload
>
> What? I'd like to find 2 cent primers again and 6 grains of most powders
> put you at
> another 2 cents. Not to mention the cost of lead if you cast.
>
> Wes

Wideners had Wolf primers on sale a while back at $19/k in 5k lots...I
bought 20k and picked up 16 lbs of IMR 700-x for $50 from a gunshop going
out of business. My load for .45 is 3.5gr. 6gr would damage my 1911. Even
at full price of $110/8lb that's 56,000 grains or 16,000 rounds or $0.006875
worth of powder per round. With free lead, electricity and labor, my actual
cost per round is $0.025875 ...which is less than 3 cents each. Did you
think I was pulling your leg?

And, Wolf primers are just fine! Not a single problem even in my light
hitting revolvers.

Wideners has them at $19/k NOW!
http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|284|737

IMR 700-X 8 pound caddy at $107 but they are out of stock GREAT POWDER!
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=8453&dir=278|283|310

I shoot about 1k/month so my equipment has paid for itself many times
compared to factory.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:18 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-11-05, Tom Gardner <at@at> wrote:
>
><kfvorwerk@gmail.com> wrote in message

[ ... ]

> Speaking of different calibers what do you guys like in a .22?
> Karl
> ******************************
>
> You're a TROUBLEMAKER!
>
> You can't go wrong with a Ruger Mark-(anything) I can literally write my
> name with mine. (pun intended)

I agree with the Ruger. I have the Mark-I (tapered long barrel
target model my first *new* firearm) and the Mark-II bull barrel with
muzzle brake.

I've not tried the Mark-III, however. I don't like the
requirement that the magazine be in the weapon to allow lowering the
hammer.

Aside from that -- I also like the accuracy and muzzle velocity
from my old S&W .22 Jet -- but it does tend to bind up with the tapered
cartridges moving back against the body, so fast emptying of the
cylinder is not a sure thing.

Enjoy,
DoN.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:25 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 07:41:31 -0700, Larry Jaques
> <ljaques@invalid.diversify.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:52:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:06:47 -0500, Ignoramus30154
> >><ignoramus30154@NOSPAM.30154.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Do you know that a typical 9mm bullet has 90% of the energy of a .45
> >>>ACP bullet?
> >>>
> >>>i
> >>But only Half the stopping power. Or slightly less.
> >
> >http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849728/posts 20% different
> >http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/calloadgoshin.htm 4-12% different
> >That said, in a fight, my druthers: a 1911 over my Keltec P-11.
> >
> >
> >>Energy ratings are not the entire composition of a good bullet/cartridge
> >>design for use on human beings.
> >>
> >>Which is why few police departments carry the 9 anymore.
> >
> >What does it matter, the way cops (can't) aim?
>
> Some cops cant, its true. But lots of cops can aim well enough to hit
> their opponents.
>
> http://social.jrank.org/pages/1333/Law-Enforcement-Police-Shootings.html
>
> On the other hand...they occasionally shoot when they shouldnt...
>
> http://dogblog.dogster.com/2010/10/04/police-shoot-arthritic-11-year-old-lab-in-her-own-backyard/
>
> (Note its Oakland, California...so trigger happy cops are expected)

Some can still hit a target after being stabbed several times:

<http://www.wftv.com/news/25645292/detail.html>

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TOPIC: DB connectors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9a360e490d9d3b8f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 8:58 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Martin Eastburn wrote:
>
> Most High tech companies crimped. We had massive heavy duty trays
> like tool boxes - but bigger - a hole 6' tall of various size of crimps.
>
> If you solder - try not to get to much solder wicking up into the wire
> as it will stiffen that point of entry and might make it hard to put on
> the shell or become brittle of sorts - and crack there.
>
> NASA and high tech companies use 'anti-skating' tools - a pliers with
> a small split tube that is drilled out for the wire and also the
> insulation. A perfect fit is made - clamp on - solder - the pliers or
> clamp cools the wire and insulator (plastic) and prevents it from
> wicking solder or making a nasty shaped / colored insulator plastic.
> Normally low grade metal - e.g. pot metal - easy to drill and fit.
>
> Martin
>
> On 11/5/2010 1:47 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Heh -- I was unaware of the other option, most of the time that I've
> > spent in the presence of crimped connections has been at an aerospace
> > company.
> >
> > Soldering is the way to go if you don't want to sign up for proper
> > tools. I think if I were doing the job all day, and had the right set
> > up, that I'd be faster crimping than soldering. But you need all those
> > special tools.

We used AMP air powered crimping machines. They used more air than
anything else in the factory.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:13 pm
From: John

Karl Townsend wrote:
> Thanks for the advice. I just bought this one:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=190461154029&si=i5%252FZWI4b8%252FpfgDPXS28baF1REUo%253D&viewitem=
>
>
> Karl

That is a good crimper but it has to be set up right to get a proper
crimp. Also the crimping pins in the tool must be in good shape or you
will get a poor crimp. Over crimping will cut the wires inside the pin
and they will break and cause problems. If the crimp is under crimped
the wire will pull out under moderate pull. The Daniels will crimp the
better pins with the barrel and inspection hole but will not crimp the
cheaper pins.

I always liked solder type connectors and with them I used silver
bearing solder because of its lower temp and more reliable flow into the
pin on the critical jobs I did. Silver bearing solder is not silver
solder which has a lot higher melting point. I always used Teflon
sleeves over the pins rather than heat shrink. Heat shrink tubing will
easily melt if it was accidentally hit with the soldering iron tip. On
a 100 pin high density connector it is not hard to do.

One other thing is that if you have only 4 pins in the connector I would
recommend putting several more dead pins into the connector to hold the
plug on the mating connector better, that is if the mating connector has
a full set of pins in it. With only four pins taking the strain they
will tend to get intermittent if exposed to any amount of vibration.

John

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TOPIC: Hot wire cutter question, power supply
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c2aac510e2a3bb85?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 10:04 pm
From: Jon Anderson

Want to make a very simple hot wire cutter to cut polyurethane foam.
Probably not more than 12-16" span, max. Found a simple setup on
Instructables using a 24v 2a transformer and a wall light dimmer.
Well, I've got a 12v 4a DC power supply, seems to me that this ought to
be enough, but thought I'd ask.

Thanks,

Jon

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TOPIC: File coarseness
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a8208d8601c6119e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:15 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > ... My old ones [files] (a pair) disappeared after 30
> > years of use.
>
> Doncha' hate that? I had that happen with a piece of sandpaper. <G>

They were almost worn out, but there are places where nothing else
works. The originals were less than 50 cents each. The replacement was
$8. :(

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 361
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bdfb2a2573b87afc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:20 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2010-11-05, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> > Microscope projector -- Bausch & Lomb
>
> And quite old too -- based on several features of its
> construction.
>
> > http://einhornpress.com/OldMicroscopeorMicroProjectorPicturesandHistory.asp

Bad link. It is missing the 'x' at the end.

<http://einhornpress.com/OldMicroscopeorMicroProjectorPicturesandHistory.aspx>

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TOPIC: Monarch 10EE and VFD conversion
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/51c548c0df51e125?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:32 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-11-05, Ignoramus30154 <ignoramus30154@NOSPAM.30154.invalid> wrote:
> On 2010-11-05, DoN. Nichols <BPdnicholsBP@d-and-d.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

>> The separate variation is why not a single power supply. No
>> wiring in either parallel or series in this case.
>
> So, then, there is no real need to change to a 3 phase motor and VFD,
> all one needs is to make or buy a proper set of power supplies? That
> seems far easier than making all those shaft and mount adaptors and
> much more straightforward.

Assuming that the spindle motor has no problems. You may need
to skim and re-groove the commutator and put in new brushes.

> I made a power supply for my mill and it was completely trivial. It
> was not adjustable or regulated, though, but I do not think that it
> needs to be regulated. Adjustability, may be a bit tricky, but not
> totally impossible with a multitap transformer or something like
> that.

The trick is getting all that to adjust at the right times.
There is a single knob on the lathe which has the two rheostats or pots
on a single shaft, which each have a range during which they do not
change, as the other one changes.

Doing this with switched taps -- or even a pair of Variacs --
gets a bit tricky.

Yes -- you could use the two pots on the single shaft to control
two power supplies -- with the proper control electronics and SCRs or
triacs -- but you are then getting close to the original electronics in
the later models. If you have one of the later models with a dead set
of electronics, this might be the best way to go. But for a M/G
version, I think that making that work as designed is the better
approach.

There is also a mechanical tach in the headstock to tell you the
RPM you are currently using. (The one at work had that dead,
unfortunately, so I never knew the actual speed -- just went for what
felt right. :-)

If the motor and generator still work -- or can be made to work
fairly easily -- it is easier to go that way.

When you come in to use the lathe, you bend over and hit a
button which (IIRC) is near the floor on the tailstock end. You hear
the motor generator spin up, and then it is ready to use. Then all you
have to do is remember to turn it off when you are done.

Enjoy,
DoN.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:36 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-11-05, Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com> wrote:
> DoN. Nichols writes:
>
>> The separate variation si why not a single power supply. No
>> wiring in either parallel or series in this case.
>
> The speed and torque characteristics may have been varied that way by the
> original antique controls, but that doesn't mean it is the only way to run
> that motor. One might, for example, apply a fixed field current and have
> it act as a permanent magnet motor, which is quite suitable for this type
> of application and horsepower. Such a power supply is easy nowadays with
> solid state rectifiers, versus when it was all new.

I think that with a fixed field current, you will either not get
the designed maximum spindle speed -- or you will be applying so much
voltage to the commutator and brushes that you will burn it out fairly
quickly.

> Multi-KW variacs show up on eBay all the time with little buyer interest
> (read: cheap).

Other than shipping cost. :-)

> Typically surplus from theater lighting systems.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: unspooler project
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7073b432f530a550?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:26 pm
From: Gerald Miller

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:52:43 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
<wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:

>rangerssuck <rangerssuck@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> > Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???
>>>
>>> =A 0 =A 0You haven't thought this through, have you? =A0if you want to mini=
>>mize
>>> the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
>>> it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.
>
>>A little humor-impaired today?
>
>Indeed.
>
>I don't plan to straddle the ditch with the forklift. For much
>of the run, we'll be pulling duct off the reel and through the
>woods, and laying it in the trench by hand.
>
>A bigger PITA may be the HDPE pipe; it seems it does not come on
>reels but in coils. I'm hoping I can put each on a empty reel of
>some ilk...
Just stand the coil up,one foot on each side of the pipe and roll it
like a hoop in front of you. this works unless it is three inch pipe
in late October in a cold climate.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

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