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TOPIC: House prices dive, Jim's money doubles in value! was "Occupiers" no
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6d5863f29201016b?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 5:46 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"SaPeIsMa" wrote in message
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"jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net> wrote in message
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> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:03:15 -0500, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Scout wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > US debt is always paid off on time and in full when it comes due.
>> >>
>> >> Wrong, the interest is paid....usually by borrowing it.
>> >
>> > The debt is always paid in full when it comes due.
>> >
>>
>> Your utter failure to comprehend what was written..
>
> The US debt and interest is always paid in full when it comes due.

>Our boi is reduced to parrot mode, which is a clear indication that he's
>unable to argue the issue intelligently
>
>If the debt was "paid in full", then we would have no more debt.
> Instead we compound the debt by refinancing it, and add the owed
> interest to it.
>That's not "paid in full"

You seem to have a comprehension problem here. The debt doesn't all come due
at once. As it comes due, it's fully paid off. Then new debt is issued.

Comprende?

--
Ed Huntress

> that's REFINANCED to a higher principal..

>Time to killfile this stupid parrot of a troll.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:10 pm
From: "Scout"

So as long as I can use my Visa to pay off my Mastercard bill, and use my
Mastercard to pay off my Visa bill, then I don't have a financial problem
because I always pay my debt and interest when it comes due?

What happens when this Merry-Go-Round stops?

Then what?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:20 pm
From: "Scout"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "SaPeIsMa" wrote in message
> news:FJadne9q7eqcCjHTnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@bright.net...
>
>
> "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net> wrote in message
> news:q_2dnT-2FrEYDjHTnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@bright.net...
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:03:15 -0500, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Scout wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > US debt is always paid off on time and in full when it comes due.
>>> >>
>>> >> Wrong, the interest is paid....usually by borrowing it.
>>> >
>>> > The debt is always paid in full when it comes due.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Your utter failure to comprehend what was written..
>>
>> The US debt and interest is always paid in full when it comes due.
>
>>Our boi is reduced to parrot mode, which is a clear indication that he's
>>unable to argue the issue intelligently
>>
>>If the debt was "paid in full", then we would have no more debt.
>> Instead we compound the debt by refinancing it, and add the owed
>> interest to it.
>>That's not "paid in full"
>
> You seem to have a comprehension problem here. The debt doesn't all come
> due at once. As it comes due, it's fully paid off. Then new debt is
> issued.
>
> Comprende?

Yep, you borrow money to pay off what you owe, and then claim you're ok
fiscally.

Works right up until you can't borrow enough anymore then your little fiscal
house of cards buries you.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:42 pm
From: "Clave"

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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<...>

> Works right up until you can't borrow enough anymore then your little
> fiscal house of cards buries you.

As an economist, you'd make a great men's room attendant.

Your personal finance guidelines don't apply to countries which are able to
a) print money and b) get other people to buy their debt.

The US' ability to do both is in no danger except from GOP demagogues who
don't want people to notice that they have no governing policy whatsoever,
other than to give corporations and wealthy families free rein to do
whatever the fuck they want.

Jim

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:43 pm
From: "Clave"

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net> wrote in message
> news:q_2dnT-2FrEYDjHTnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@bright.net...
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:03:15 -0500, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Scout wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > US debt is always paid off on time and in full when it comes due.
>>> >>
>>> >> Wrong, the interest is paid....usually by borrowing it.
>>> >
>>> > The debt is always paid in full when it comes due.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Your utter failure to comprehend what was written..
>>
>> The US debt and interest is always paid in full when it comes due.
>
> So as long as I can use my Visa to pay off my Mastercard bill, and use my
> Mastercard to pay off my Visa bill, then I don't have a financial problem
> because I always pay my debt and interest when it comes due?
>
> What happens when this Merry-Go-Round stops?
>
> Then what?

The sky falls. Go get Henny-Penny and run to tell the king.

Jim

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:40 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Scout" wrote in message news:j8i8pi$l2q$1@dont-email.me...

>Yep, you borrow money to pay off what you owe, and then claim you're ok
>fiscally.

You may be. Jim is one of those who looks at it somewhat mechanistically,
and, from that point of view, there is no evidence in modern American
history (or Japanese history, or most of European history) that he's not
correct. In terms of the sheer financial functions, it will keep working as
long as markets believe they'll be paid and that inflation won't be *too*
bad in the meantime -- or, at least, that it will be less than the risk one
would incur with other "safe havens." And that's exactly the case today.

Being somewhat more skeptical, I look at the vulnerabilities involved if
there is a cascade of confidence loss. But that's not a fiscal issue. That's
a social-psychology issue. And the professionals who are handling the big
money -- experts in risk and international financial issues -- show no signs
of running scared.

>Works right up until you can't borrow enough anymore then your little
>fiscal house of cards buries you.

Yeah. You can make a theoretical case either way. Again, there is no
financial reason that the cards should collapse. In terms of what's really
happening, and what really has happened, Jim is right: the house is secure,
until it's not. But it *is* secure now.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: OT - Christian Gets Pay Cut for Posting Gay Marriage Stance on Facebook
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c5fdccbc83ca7640?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 5:56 pm
From: "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) "

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:54:03 -0500,
"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>> [[[ Oh good grief!! WHEN will this guy learn
>> HOW attributes work in Usenet posts?!?? ]]]
>>
>> [[[ The *attributes* in this post have AGAIN
>> been REPAIRED! ]]]
>>
>> I can't find where or how to set the settings on windows live mail, if you
>> or anyone else knows I'll give it a try. I copied my settings from Outlook
>> Express and this crap is what I got, not what I wanted.

No WONDER!! Just go HERE and download a *REAL* newsreader
from Forte. It's FREE!

http://www.webmasterfree.com/forte_free_agent

>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) wrote]
>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:
>>>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>>>>>> [MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:

>>> The Bible is more like a 10,000 piece puzzle. You see irreconcilable
>>> contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but
>>> a few pieces.

>> No. The irreconcilable contradictions are irreconcilable because
>> they ARE mutually-exclusive. They are REAL contradictions. Google
>> them and see for yourself. LOTS of good sites present them.

Such as THIS one: http://oaks.nvg.org/bible-debris.html

> I've seen many claimed contradictions but no real ones of anything
> significant.

You NEED to take your blinders off! Many of them are OBVIOUSLY
irreconcilable! Who brainwashed you so, against recognizing FACTS??

>>> I have seen many other denominations with much more of the puzzle
>>> put together, one denomination has one area put together well, another
>>> has a different area figured out, and so on. The parts that the Egalitar-
>>> ians know doesn't have to be understood as contradictory to the other
>>> parts.

>> One doesn't have to be an egalitarian to recognize outright contra-
>> dictions when he sees them. Just an IQ over 80 will usually suffice.

> But with any IQ they can understand the apparent contradictions.

In case you hadn't noticed, the RRR Cult's leaders have been TARGET-
ING low-IQ folks for recruitment and maintenance as their cash-cow,
propaganda-parroting lemmings because they are so GULLIBLE.

<nonsense-flush>

>>>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html

>>> 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom
>>> of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idol-
>>> aters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves
>>> nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
>>> the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you
>>> were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
>>> the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

>> CLUE: Every person who's done that turned right around and did
>> some MORE sinning. Unless they up and kicked the bucket a few seconds
>> later.

> Does people doing these things mean they are not sins? Or perhaps since
> Jesus told Peter to forgive , not 7 times, but 7 times 70, maybe Jesus is
> also willing to keep forgiving us if we continue to want to be forgiven.

After 490, all bets are off!

> Something about "faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us
> from all unrighteousness".

>>>> You see, you are not a Christian.

>>> Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and
>>> sensible one...

> Humble too, I'll bet?

People don't GET any more humble than I am!!

(LOL!)

Actually, you shouldn't confuse the self-assurance to goes along
with having one's FACTS straight in a debate, with lack of humility.
Apples-and-oranges.

>>>> ...unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
>>>> low-intellect cash-cow lemmings that they have managed to CON with
>>>> their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.

>>> Maybe, but can you see that you are picking a choosing what
>>> parts to believe and what not to? And this is based on??? Political
>>> correctness? What you consider to be bigotry?

>> Try READING the linked article above. With some COMPREHENSION.

> I wonder if that would work with my boss? I could ignore any orders
> from my boss that I don't like and tell him since I know he is a nice boss that
> he didn't really mean for me to do those things I would rather not. Pretty
> good religion you have there, don't like something, don't bother to conform
> to God's will, just create your own God the way you would like for him to
> be.

In my half-century of opposing bigots and their hate-agendas, I've
found that bigotry is SO ingrained in them, they never repudiate it. Thus,
if I ever found one in my employ. he/she would get the gate as fast as they
could clean out their desk and hit the bricks!!

>>> The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread
>>> better. The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken
>>> things out of the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste
>>> better. So if homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you
>>> can't just pick and choose what you want to believe because it tastes
>>> better to you.

>> Same for shrimp, lobster, other shellfish, and clothing made of
>> mixed fabrics? How about seances and mediums? Ouija Boards and
>> Tarot Cards? Tea-leaf readers and other fortune-tellers? And going to
>> same for consultations? Astrology and horoscopes? ALL of which would
>> be (and in some cases directly were, by virtue of already existing back
>> then) condemned at LEAST as much as homosexual sex was.

> "Take and eat" is part of the new covenant, Indulging in homosexuality
> and other sins are still condemned in the new covenant.

I listed a **LOT** more things above, that homophobic bigots IGNORE,
than just food. Most of which still ARE prohibited. INTERESTING that you
**ignored** all of those... ???

So the RRR Cultists are HYPOCRITES.

>> If the HYPOCRITES of the RRR Cult ever seek to deprive the
>> BILLIONS (worldwide) of people of their rights and well-being on the
>> BASIS of *those* prohibited actions, then I will at least give them
>> credit for no longer being hypocrites. Even though they would still
>> be crazier than barn owls and totally-obnoxious and bigoted fools.

> So Egalitarian Hypocrites are OK?

PROVE that any egalitarian is a hypocrite. LOTSA LUCK!

(However, there are some *irrational* ones out and about. Such
as ones who sensibly defend abortion rights, but then are STUPID enough
to oppose the death penalty in cases where guilt has been indisputably
PROVEN.

>>> Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an
>>> awful lot of judging others.

>> It judges the HATEFULNESS and irrationality of bigots.

> Let's see, according to the New Covenant, looking at a woman with lust
> is a sin, fornication is a sin, adultery is a sin, pretty much any sexual
> activity is a sin except with one's own spouse. But you claim Homosexuality
> isn't a sin, looks like you are the Bigot here.

(1) NOTHING in the Bible says that the sexual OTIENTATION of
homosexuality is sinful. Only various sexual ACTIONS (both
gay and straight) are regarded as sinful.

(2) In the next life, I'd REALLY like to ask God just WHY he had
this huge HANGUP with something as enjoyable as sex.

>>> If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit to-
>>> gether I think you would be amazed. There is a Bible teaching program
>>> that goes through the entire Bible...

>> Probably McGee. Been there, done that. My father was a minister,
>>and I've studied the Bible for around 60 years.

> Did your father share your Egalitarian beliefs?

TOTALLY!! He was a VERY fair and compassionate minister!
I probably LEARNED to be an egalitarian at a very young age as a
result of both my parents being such wondrous role models!

> I think it would take 60 years to get that far off course, you need
> to get headed in the right direction. You can't just edit the Bible to say
> anything you want it to, and claim anything else wasn't inspired.

Unlike you, I use my BRAIN when I read the Bible. And that KEEPS
me in the right direction.

>>> you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or listen free
>>> online, or download for free. You'll get many of the "irreconcilable
>>> contradictions" reconciled. www.ttb.org

>> NOT the ones that actually ARE irreconcilable.

> So how is the verses the condemn homosexuality an irreconcilable
> contradiction? Where does the Bible plainly say Homosexuality is
> acceptable?

See above. The Bible NEVER condemned the ORIENTATION.

> And you praise Dr Tiller the...

...HEROIC abortion provider who helped hundred, and possibly thous-
ands of women before a total A-HOLE **martyred** him? YES!! And I
hope that his murderer ROTS and BURNS in agonizing pain in the lowest
and hottest depths of the Lake of Fire for all eternity!!

> Are you against capitol punishment too?

ONLY if there is any possibility of innocence. When a killer has
been convicted on totally incontrovertible proof, I favor executing the
S.O.B. ASAP. That's simply taking out the trash. It's the fate that
Jeffrey Dahmer SHOULD have been sentenced to -- but fortunately,
his fellow inmates felt the same way!

> Talk about irreconcilable differences, real Christians what to punish the
> wicked and protect the innocent, some others want to protect the wicked
> and punish the innocent.

I can't speak for others, but you can see that *I* want ONLY the
guilty to be punished. Such as Dahmer, and all murderers of abortion
doctors.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Response to an RCC-Cult ANTI-Choicer,
about the Martyred HERO, Dr. George Tiller

You know nothing of Dr. Tiller and his work, because you ignore the
facts. Dr. Tiller proved, in court, on more than one occasion, this his
work fully conformed to the laws of Kansas, a very conservative state.
Even when women begin to die, suffer sterility, maiming from the lack of
a late term abortion, or giving birth to grossly deformed babies, you'll
still ignore the facts. By the way, you and your "church" will protest
paying one cent of tax to care for the injured or dead women, or for the
costs of caring for a grossly deformed or handicapped baby during its
short lifetime. You'd rather the family be ruined to the point where
they're in poverty. And, you'll still refuse to pay any welfare costs
or costs of restoring the ruined family. That's the kind of person you
are, and the kind of people your "church" is.

Dr. Tiller was an actual Saint.

-- "W.T.S." <m14m@earthlink.net>, 8-26-10

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••

"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) E-Mail me if you wish, from sites below:

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earning less than $200 a day, you are UNDER-employed. This site can
SOLVE that problem for you, and wondrously improve your life! (Start
by taking the FREE Aptitude Test!)
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
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http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!

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TOPIC: Any electronic pros here, need help testing transistors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b27025e4f9928b69?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:02 pm
From: Steve Walker

On 10/29/2011 20:31, Wild_Bill wrote:
> Poking around in electronic circuits, without knowledge of what one's
> doing, can result in more damage and/or safety issues.
> Use the amp for learning something new, while reading basic electronics
> texts, or just throw it away.
>
> There may already be some repairs for that model, to be found with an
> archive search of:
> sci.electronics.repair
>
> Bazinga
>

Thanks. I had forgotten about that newsgroup. I didn't mean to sound
like I was an electronic doofus, I'm familiar with a lot, but not
testing of discrete components. Normally I'd just replace them all, but
with the price per transistor, I'd like to test and replace only the
ones that are bad.

The amp was given to me, and if fixable, will rock out in my garage. I
need something that can be heard over the Bridgeport.

I'm trying harder. <G> (see below)

--
Steve Walker
Fusion640@frontierbrain.com (remove brain when replying)

Sheldon: I'm not saying that all senior citizens that can't master
technology should be publicly flogged. But, if we made an example of one
or two it might give the others incentive to try harder.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 7:05 pm
From: Spehro Pefhany

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:56:12 -0400, the renowned Steve Walker
<fusion640@frontier.com> wrote:

>I tore apart an old Denon amp.(I was bored) It has 2 heat sinks, with 4
>transistors attached to each. Must be pairs, I guess, as each one has,
>from left to right, Sanken transistors, C2837, A1186, C2837, A1186.
>I don't know squat about transistors, except when measuring resistance,
>if two the same have different resistance, one is bad, usually the one
>that has continuity between leads. I found two (c2837 on the same heat
>sink) that have continuity between the left lead and the heat sink,
>looking at it from the front with the numbers facing you. How can I
>check these out? I have a good digital Protek multimeter, and time. <G>
> Do they have to be replaced in complementary pairs? I found a cross
>reference to NTE36(C2837) and NTE37(A1186), wow, not cheap. I'm gonna
>look like a rocket scientist to SWMBO if I can fix it. Not quite a
>theoretical physicist, just a rocket scientist.
>
>Leonard? Leonard? Leonard? (somebody will get this, I hope)

Better than Sheldon.

The C2837 is short for 2SC2837 (NPN) and the other is the
complementary PNP 2SA1186

Here are the original Sanken datasheets:-
http://www.sanken-ele.co.jp/en/prod/semicon/pdf/2sc2837e.pdf
http://www.sanken-ele.co.jp/en/prod/semicon/pdf/2sa1186e.pdf

When they're removed from the circuit, you should be able to use the
diode test function most multimeters have and check E-B and B-C both
ways. It should be open one way and read 500 or 600 or 700 the other
way. If it reads a dead short or open both ways then it's probably
blown. If both look like diodes, it's more than likely okay.

Typically the collector (middle pin of both types) is common with the
tab (which may be insulated from the heat sink).

Most multimeters these days have a transistor gain test function, but
it's not all that handy or useful in this case. If you can find a
schematic.. there might be little stuff gone at the same time.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 7:25 pm
From: "Artemus"

"Steve Walker" <fusion640@frontier.com> wrote in message
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>
> Oops. One side doesn't work. If you crank it up that side will produce
> sound, but not loud, and very staticy. This is what led me to believe
> the output transistors were bad
>
> I do have the two heat sinks out of the amp, with transistors still
> mounted. Anyone got any information on how to check these out, with a
> multimeter? Mine, Protek D-910F, has transistor (NPN and PNP) sockets on
> it. But I don't have a manual, nor do I understand all the information
> on the transistor datasheets.
> --
> Steve Walker

From that description is sounds like the bad channel has blown one of
the output transistors. Since you have a scratchy sound it is likely that
it has blown open and not shorted. Can you put everything back together
and measure the DC voltage on the bad output? It should measure close
to zero when good. A positive voltage indicates that the transistor to
the negative supply is bad(open). A negative voltage indicates the
transistor to the positive supply is bad. A blown output transistor will often
take out the driver transistor too, or at least overstress it and shorten it's
remaining life.

Got a model # for the Denon so we can see about getting a schematic to
know for sure which transistors to go for?
Art

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TOPIC: wassup?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1aa0e676f585db01?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:05 pm
From: John B.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:10:11 -0700, Hawke
<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>On 10/29/2011 5:58 AM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
>> On 10/28/2011 11:49 PM, Steve B wrote:
>>> David Freese just accepted the MVP for the World Series with his frickin
>>> ballcap on backwards. He was eloquent, and respectful.
>>>
>>> But WTF is it with this backwards ball cap thing? It don't matter most of
>>> the time, but it seems sometimes there are places where it's just
>>> indicative
>>> of some clueless hick. If it is going to interfere with the camera,
>>> simply
>>> remove your hat, son.
>>>
>>> Where did this come from?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you care?
>>
>> As you said, he was eloquent and respectful.
>>
>> When you accept the MVP you can do it differently, until then, just
>> shut-up and watch.
>
>
>It's part of the new ignorance is cool program that is sweeping the
>country. Being dumb is in these days. Not only do adult men not know
>that it's really stupid to wear baseball caps backwards, but they don't
>even know it's wrong to wear a hat at all when they are inside or worse
>when they are at the dinner table, which I see all the time.
>
>Hawke

Different strokes for different folks. Remember:

A white sports coat and a pink carnation?

Don't step on my blue suede shoes?

Bobby Socks?

Pegged Pants?

--
John B.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 7:44 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

You know why there are no Jewish gangs?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Richard" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On 10/28/2011 10:49 PM, Steve B wrote:
> David Freese just accepted the MVP for the World Series
> with his frickin
> ballcap on backwards. He was eloquent, and respectful.
>
> But WTF is it with this backwards ball cap thing? It
> don't matter most of
> the time, but it seems sometimes there are places where
> it's just indicative
> of some clueless hick. If it is going to interfere with
> the camera, simply
> remove your hat, son.
>
> Where did this come from?
>
> Steve
>
>

Hey, he had his pant's pulled up.

You want the cap on right too?

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TOPIC: Snow removal with a forklift
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/33bc13d7bf6d4685?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:12 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Oct 29, 6:29 pm, Karl Townsend <karltownsend....@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:40:08 -0500, Ignoramus22285
>
> <ignoramus22...@NOSPAM.22285.invalid> wrote:
> >I was wondering, what options would I have for snow removal, with a
> >pneumatic tire forklift similar to this one:
>
> > http://www.bidspotter.com/auctions/15675/photos/564.JPG
>
> >(5k Cat propane forklift)
>
> >thanks
>
> Can't get your link to load.But no matter,forklifts are TERRIBLE in
> snow. They don't even do wet grass. Leave the truck inside. A scoop
> shovel would be faster.
>
> Now, I bet you can find a great snowblower that only needs a minor
> repair for $50.
>
> Karl

LOL..this is Ig we are talking about...I would expect $10 and
delivered to his door.

TMT

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:32 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

Ignoramus22285 wrote:

> On 2011-10-29, Karl Townsend <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:40:08 -0500, Ignoramus22285
>><ignoramus22285@NOSPAM.22285.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I was wondering, what options would I have for snow removal, with a
>>>pneumatic tire forklift similar to this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.bidspotter.com/auctions/15675/photos/564.JPG
>>>
>>>(5k Cat propane forklift)
>>>
>>>thanks
>>
>> Can't get your link to load.But no matter,forklifts are TERRIBLE in
>> snow. They don't even do wet grass. Leave the truck inside. A scoop
>> shovel would be faster.
>>
>> Now, I bet you can find a great snowblower that only needs a minor
>> repair for $50.
>
> Karl, try this link:
>
> http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Electrical-Company-1/564.JPG.html
>
> This is an outdoor forklift.
>
> Right?

This:

http://blog.ringpower.com/post/Manitou-Rough-Terrain-Forklifts.aspx

is an outdoor forklift.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
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Live Faust, die Jung.

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TOPIC: Generator electric question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9cadc59dffb46712?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:12 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

Is this generator supplying loads other than the pump? Single phase loads?

Even if the pump is the only load, good luck ensuring that the downstream
ganged breaker will trip first. If there are other loads (between the two
breakers), a gen breaker will almost certainly trip first.

What happens next will depend on what lies downstream of the (tripped) gen
breaker. Single phase loads on the tripped phase will end up in series with
the pump winding. While the voltage will probably collapse so that these
loads become inoperative, that leg will still be energized at some voltage.
If there's a fault there (what tripped the breaker), that could lead to a
hazardous situation.

Best bet is to replace the two gen breakers with a ganged unit. Don't feed a
line to line load from independent single pole breakers.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
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Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands!

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TOPIC: My friend asks a question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/436f314a5440b4ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:20 pm
From: engineman

John,

Here is a question for you and your metalhead group.

Q: Say you had a 2 CYCLE motorcycle and you wanted to push start
it. Suppose that you got on it and turned on the ignition but didn't
hit the start button. Instead you depressed the clutch lever and put
it in 1st gear. Then four of your not so bright friends, two on each
side, pushed you and the bike BACKWARDS!! Remember there are two each
side so they should be able to keep you from falling over. After the
bike gains some momentum you pop the clutch. Now, the question is:
WILL THE BIKE START WITH THE ENGINE RUNNINGBACKWARDS??!? If not, why
not? The reason that it comes up is that I read about a new class of
ULCCs (UltraLargeCrudeCarriers -- Way big mutha oil tankers) that
have 2 cycle diesel engines with NO transmission, clutch or reduction
gears of any sort. The drive shaft comes out the back of the engine
and goes out the back of the hull and the propeller is bolted directly
to the end of it No gears, no clutch, no nothing. The way that they
reverse it is by shutting of the engine and then restarting it
BACKWARDS!!?! It is designed to do this, I'm wondering if all 2
cycle engines will run backwards or not? Inquiring minds want to
know.

Bill

From Engineman

==============================================================================
TOPIC: OT - Senate Republicans vote to kill Obama's jobs bill..Why Do
Republicans Hate America?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/369bd6c7364952d9?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:24 pm
From: "Scout"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4eac9b01$0$28376$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>
> "Scout" wrote in message news:j8hqnl$61j$1@dont-email.me...
>
>
>
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4eab59bb$0$13497$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Scout" wrote in message news:j8fgbd$qhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4eab3d34$0$2013$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "JohnJohnsn" wrote in message
>>>> news:22dfdb83-fd04-4f07-9d20-6b6bc61271e0@eb8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2:35 pm, "Ed Huntless" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hawke" wrote in message
>>>>> news:j8etg8$g4c$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/27/2011 12:19 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "JohnJohnsn" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3b51e0da-5d64-4b2c-82b8-ffa7e3ad3d94@n18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 27, 12:24 pm, Ed Huntress, DNC Sycophant and Propagandist
>>>>>> <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damn, Ed; a Trifecta in False Assertions and a Hat Trick +1 in Ad
>>>>>>>> Hominem attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ha! After calling several people in this thread, including me, a
>>>>>>> "sycophant" and a "propagandist" for messages on end, now you accuse
>>>>>>> ME
>>>>>>> of ad hominem.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what the righties always do. When they start belittling
>>>>>>> others,
>>>>>>> and get some of it thrown back at them, they immediately scream "ad
>>>>>>> hominem." It happens all the time here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're a bunch of hypocrites and phonies, Johnson. Especially your
>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>> of having an IQ of 168. Jesus, man, you really are sloppy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've made it quite clear what you are all about. I think we're
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll eventually get around to installing you (IQ 168) in the
>>>>>>> Rightard
>>>>>>> Genius Hall of Fame, along with Gunner (IQ 157). You guys can
>>>>>>> compare
>>>>>>> notes. d8-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Methinks the two guys claiming to have the two highest IQs in this
>>>>>>>group
>>>>>>>are in reality the two who have IQs on the level of what they said
>>>>>>>Obama
>>>>>>>has, 116. Obviously from their writing and arguments they are not
>>>>>>>anywhere
>>>>>>>near the genius level their claimed IQs would indicate. In sales we
>>>>>>>call
>>>>>>>that puffery. In the newsgroup we just call them liars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hawke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When people claim impossibly high IQs, while showing no evidence of
>>>>>> it...
>>>>>
>>>>>>What "evidence" would satisfy you, Eddie?
>>>>>
>>>>> An intelligent conversation from you would be a good indicator.
>>>
>>>>So I take it you're not talking about him having such a conversation
>>>>with you then?
>>>
>>> Right. He doesn't appear to be up to his 168 IQ. d8-)
>>
>>He doesn't have to be....since he's talking to you.
>
> Well, Johnson is such a whip that no one could be blamed for having
> trouble keeping up with him.

Certainly when it's you, but he does try to slow down to your level. So give
him credit for that.

> For example, I only had to tell him four times that I live in New Jersey
> before he caught on, and realized that I live in New Jersey!

More likely it simply wasn't relevant and thus ignored.

Much like yourself.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:43 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Scout" wrote in message news:j8i8vv$ltl$1@dont-email.me...

>Certainly when it's you, but he does try to slow down to your level. So
>give him credit for that.

Yeah. He's a regular genius. d8-)

> For example, I only had to tell him four times that I live in New Jersey
> before he caught on, and realized that I live in New Jersey!

>More likely it simply wasn't relevant and thus ignored.

Right. That's why he blasted my name and address, my wife's name, and my
actual e-mail address all over Usenet.

He must have been a busy little research beaver there for a while, once he
realized that NJ isn't California. What a whiz he must be!

>Much like yourself.

Sure, ignore me all you want, Scout. I'll be here if you feel the need to
talk...

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 8:06 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

Let the Record show that Gray Guest <No_email_for_you@wahoo.com> on or
about Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:54:30 +0000 (UTC) did write, type or
otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>
>>> As I said, suck it up. Nobody cares what you think about the subject
>>> because it is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> Is that sinking in yet?
>>>
>>
>>>So if he is a fraud and a phony, it's OK with you?
>>>
>>>Is that what you are saying?
>>
>> What I'm saying is what I said. What you think I'm saying is the paranoid
>> little man in your head talking to you.
>>
>
>No, I'm asking you if you WOULD care if he was a fraud and a phony OR does
>the politics matter more.
>
>You see I'm curious after all the untrue attacks on Bush and the fraudulent
>NG documetns produced if you guys have any ethics at all.
>
>In other words, Does the end justify the means?

They're "Progressive" - the answer is yes.

tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
"Mainstream Media Covers For Obama On Horrifying Mistake"
Hey, it's not like he's Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin -
you know, somebody important. Glenn Reynolds

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TOPIC: What causes this?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fc1adb1d47ce66f7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:24 pm
From: mkoblic@gmail.com

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:25:38 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

>"DoN. Nichols" <BPdnicholsBP@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
>news:slrnjamou5.mlf.BPdnicholsBP@Katana.d-and-d.com...
>> ...>
>> And buying large washers from the local hardware store leaves
>> you open for almost any flavor of alloy -- often from the same bin. :-
>> DoN.
>
>I don't know about their alloy but the thicknesses can vary considerably
>within the bin.
>
>Half a foot of snow in October???
>Support Global Warming!
>
In truth everyone has a valid point although I am not sure that it
explains the problem entirely.

I am about to give up using washers, at least the 2" variety for the
very reason you state: The thickness varies quite a bit, the quality
varies also. Their availability has decreased: I used to be able to go
to Fastenal and rummage in their bin and pick the ones that were
useful. Fastenal no longer stock them. You can order them but then you
have to take what they send you.

Anyway, to confuse matters further: Here is the first trial I did
today:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27683124@N07/sets/72157627882701769/

Make of it what you will. The next thing is to try increase the
distance between the plates and/or try to run the whole assembly on
its side so the bubbles have a free exit.

I included a picture of a piece that ended up like pig's breakfast
just to show that whatever it is that causes the pits it blasts its
way through 4 coats of resist if the conditions are right.

That is always assuming that the cause of the pitting in the different
pieces is the same.

Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

Our temperatures have been sub-normal practically whole year. Either
it is not warming or it is not global:-)

==============================================================================
TOPIC: 10 cheapest BEST cities to live.... and to run a mfr'g bidniss??
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60b4860c426a367d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:35 pm
From: Just Me

On Oct 29, 10:21 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:52:16 -0700 (PDT), Just Me <mutantmachin...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Oct 29, 4:05 am, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >> Allen Drake wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:43:01 -0500, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> Allen Drake wrote:
>
> >> >>> They are in the Jobs Bill that the right refuses to pass. The right
> >> >>> has been obstructionist since the beginning.
>
> >> >> Hate to break it to you Sparky, but the Republicans tried to vote on
> >> >> the president's jobs bill but the Senate Majority Leader had his
> >> >> caucus vote to NOT bring the bill up for a vote. The president's
> >> >> bill has languished in the Senate since the president sent it over.
> >> >> Since the Democrats have a majority in the Senate, it's a confusing
> >> >> wonder why they continue to deny a vote or even allow a markup.
>
> >> >> Meanwhile, in the House, the president's bill has ONE sponsor and NO
> >> >> co-sponsors.
>
> >> > The republicans won't vote on anything that raises revenue. You know
> >> > little about law making. The right will bring down the country before
> >> > they give Obama anything.
>
> >> #1 I know "little about lawmaking"? Hmm. In my youth, I was an
> >> Administrative Aide to a U.S. Senator. I KNOW how laws are made.
>
> >> #2 The Republicans have NEVER said they were opposed to increasing revenue.
> >> Their view is that the best way to raise revenue is by cutting taxes. This
> >> technique has worked every time it's been tried.
>
> >So when you go into work you will tell your employer that you need a
> >wage cut bcause it's the only way you can afford to buy that new Aston
> >Martin you've been eyeing.
> >that logic says that the unemployed now have more disposable income
> >than when they were working.
>
> No, logic says that logic isn't your strong suit.

Really,so less is more and black is pink.Explain how less
income(taxes) means more revenue. That approach has never worked no
matter how you cook the books.
I not saying anything about the fact that expenditures are out of
balance, I just questioning your statement that less taxes has always
meant more revenue.

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TOPIC: OT - If Gaddafi had lived in Amercia, he would have belonged to the Tea
Party.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d1951fb3f4408d89?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 6:40 pm
From: John B.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:02:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:53:14 +0700, John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:53:46 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:58:54 +0700, John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:43:51 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:05:15 -0700 (PDT), "dcaster@krl.org"
>>>>><dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Oct 25, 10:53�am, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Economist of 22 - 28 Oct 2011, page 89, has an article about a new
>>>>>>> group called The Berkeley Earth surface Temperature that has developed
>>>>>>> new statistical methods of analyzing the exist earth temperature data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently available temperature data is not formatted in sufficiently
>>>>>>> detailed form to use normal methods of calculation. for example some
>>>>>>> data is unevenly spaced, some from sites inside cities that are
>>>>>>> subject to warming from the local environment, some from ships at sea,
>>>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NASA and NOAA already have on line data bases of their raw data and
>>>>>>> Berkeley plans on doing the same. In addition the American
>>>>>>> Meteorological Socioty is planning a single on line data base
>>>>>>> containing all available temperature data as well as all analysis of
>>>>>>> the data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Berkeley's initial four papers have been distributed for peer review
>>>>>>> but initially their statistical studies compare very closely with the
>>>>>>> work already done by NASA, NOAA and HadCru, the three most definitive
>>>>>>> studies. which all, by the way, show a definite increase in earth
>>>>>>> temperature.with the largest increase from about 1980 to present.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is the easy part. Next is WHY? And only after one understands
>>>>>>why, comes what to do ( and what not to do. )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>
>>>>>That Mars and the moon also exhibit increased temperatures in that same
>>>>>time frame indicate what? That Man has built Taco Bells and way too many
>>>>>freeways on those bodies? Too many Air Conditioners on Mars?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I doubt that anyone can definitely say why warming occurs but it is.
>>>>And given the politics and (dare I mention it) the amount of money
>>>>some people are making out of the Green revolution, it may well be a
>>>>question that no one actually wants answered.
>>>>
>>>Oh a lot of us want the question answered. On the other hand...those
>>>making the money surely do not.
>>>
>>>As the lads in East Anglica proved beyond any shadow of a doubt.
>>>
>>>Gunner
>>>
>>Do a lot of us want the question answered or do a lot of us want an
>>answer that we want to hear?
>
>Id say the People want the question answered so we can either lay in
>fuel and warm clothing, or sun screen.
>

I beg to differ. From reading this and other Usenet groups it appears
to me that what people want is an answer that doesn't force them to
deviate from their set ways, especially if it forces them to get up
off the couch and actually do something. The Japanese in the wake of
their recent nuclear disaster reduced their energy use (in Tokyo) by
15%. Will Americans? Given the recent discussion about "my
dishwasher", which seemingly has become a necessity in America, it
seems unlikely.

>Those on the Gorbal Warming side of the equation..want personal power
>over the People.
>
>http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
>
>http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/15/global-warming-insignificant-years-admits-uks-climate-scientist/
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
>
>You WERE aware of this..were you not?

The fact remains that the average world temperature is rising and has
been since about 1880 (apparently when the first reliable records were
available) and has accelerated since about 1980. This is not a matter
for conjecture as too many separate studies have all shown essentially
the same figures.

>Global warming was and is a fraud perpetrated by Gorbal Warming people
>for personal power and dollars from research grants.
>

Again, too many separate agencies have published the same climb in
average earth temperance.

>Notice the mantra has changed from Global Warming after all the dirty
>little secrets were brought to light..and the mindless drones and their
>handlers now call it Climate Change?
>
>Gunner

Now you come to the crux of the matter - is this warming, and I can't
believe that with the various indications - melting ice, higher ocean
levels, measured average earth temperature increases, anyone of
average intelligence would argue that it is not happening. The real
question is, "is a normal temperature fluctuating" or is it a result
of come external change. And if the latter, what is the cause. And
once the specifics have been determine, "what can we do about it".

--
John B.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 7:10 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Oct 20, 11:24 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Finally rid of another crazy Arab winger....thanks Obama...America
> owes you a second term for that.
>
> Now if Gaddafi had lived in America, he would have belonged to the Tea
> Party.
>
> Considering that he already dresses like them, he would have been a
> trend setter for fashion in the Tea Party.
>
> I wonder how long the Tea Party will be wearing black arm bands for
> him...
>
> TMT

But you guys say Tea Party is just old white people. Kadaffy was
Arab.

Nice flip-flop.

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TOPIC: Northeast storm, Oct 29, 2011, 2.2 million without power
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/934cff6d8523789d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 7:43 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I'm west of the storm. I'm OK, fortunately. Yes, I live in
PRNY.

This AM, the exhaust sheared, on my van. I spent about four
hours patching it (metal content). I'll write more about
that, if asked.

Lets hope the Occupy Wall Street crowd freeze butt, and go
home to thier mom's cellars. Lets hope the hard working
people of the area are safe, and no injuries from candles,
carbon monoxide, etc.

This just after the major power cut in Boulder, Colorado. A
million plus, without power, due to snow storm.

It's long past time to be looking for backup heat, power,
light. For these ever so much more common power cuts. A word
to the wise is sufficient.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

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TOPIC: storm damage / tree sawing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4ebb9e24fbc48eac?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 8:10 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> on Sat, 29 Oct 2011
13:16:14 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> I'd be one of the chain saw crew. Don't drink alcohol, and
>> love to play with my toys.
>
>
> What we cut up and piled beside the pavement to clear our street
>filled two large dump trucks. Then the county had a huge open burn pit
>to get rid of all the downed trees. It had a roaring fire for over six
>months.

Dang. Every time I see trees downed by storms, I wish I knew some
gyppo loggers, and a sawmill.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

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