Re: Missing peice before best practises
I use a desktop at home and a laptop when I go attempting to hack in the open community. The hack experiances always seem so messy to me. Most recently I am trying to help with a project called SUMO but there are tons of download requirements outside of the python and django. I have also tried to get any of the groups I have gone to to define a stack for hacking and vagrant, virtualenv and of course git and sudo. Every new project seems to use dependencies that mean a lot of time downloading widgets that seem to do the same things if one asks but after a while why ask? If it is too sloppy I will just concentrate on less messy projects. I am tempted to play with flask but for now the django book examples are working though I will likely have to go through chapter four many multiples of times and am hoping soon to get some move towards being able to build the site I have my mind set on.
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 5:53:46 PM UTC-5, Sayth Renshaw wrote:
--Apologies Amirouche for the late reply.The documentation is good, but I like many apparently(based on tutorials for other envs) prefer a hands on approach to a documentary approach. This is the place where Django doesn't have much depth in its ecosystem. It has no current books and no hands on tutorial other than GSWD which creates a lot of lifting with installing ruby, vms, vagrant and so on just to start with Django.
Flask is starting to get a few tutorials popping up in real python for web, http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega- , and in the works the Picard flask kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/tutorial-part-i-hello-world projects/1223051718/practical- .flask-book-project
I put my money where my mouth is and sponsor these kickstarters as there is such a shortage of good info.As I would back you Amirouche if you started a Kickstarter to give Django a good practical and hands on tutorial.
CheersSaythOn Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Amirouche Boubekki <amirouche...@gmail.com> wrote:
2013/7/1 Sayth Renshaw <flebbe...@gmail.com>
On Monday, July 1, 2013, Tom Evans wrote:On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sayth Renshaw <flebber.crue@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is that good though?
>
> Barring 2 scoops there is no new material to recognise and guide users to
> the new features of Django and to get beginner Django developers on board
> quicker.
>
> It leads to bits of info for each python framework but nothing
> comprehensive.
>
> Sayth
>
Virtualenv, pip etc are not features of Django, they are features of
python. It is right that Django mentions them in places, it is doubly
right that it does not attempt to duplicate the fine documentation
that pip and virtualenv possess themselves.
Cheers
Tom
Agreed good tutorials would show steps and then point to resources for further reading,At this point though it appears there is a scarcity of good tutorials for current Django.pip+virtualenv[wrapper] is a pratice not something that will allow you to build a skyrocket as-is, you can live without it.The documentation is good, and overall ecosystem alive and active, what do you need more ? They are several CMS and admin apps, blog solutions etc... They are still improvements and stabilisation to be done on many (utility) apps... Everything I want to say is that outside the django tutorial, and anybooks you read, the best way to improve your skills it to [re]build something...
Time to time, I think about writring a set of tutorial about a CMS or Social Network from scratch, but experience says that except the actual code, the remaining issues are solved and well documented outside this virtual project, so this would, I think, have little value.
HTH,
Amirouche--
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