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* Closure..... - 19 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/74ef731be776e0ec?hl=en
* Why you should buy "Sioux tools" airtools - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/95475eec443f9dc5?hl=en
* The Koch Brothers - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8700faaf75b95060?hl=en
* The US Already Had Socialized Medicine Before The Affordable Heathcare Act
Was Passed - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/77aba3bd81865498?hl=en
* We Should Use Corpses Of Radical Rightists To Fuel The Boilers of The
Smokestacks of Industry & Progress - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f70946b07f846025?hl=en
* saw blade teeth per inch? water pipe. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7d41308a10c51b56?hl=en
* Why is it always blacks screwing and knocking up their sisters? - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ac10c4c4d9f91d78?hl=en

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TOPIC: Closure.....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/74ef731be776e0ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:32 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca


On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:50:59 -0700, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$5188@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>
>>> Canada is not a free country.
>>
>> And neither is the USA.
>
>Much freer than Canada.
>
>
>>
>>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>>
>> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.
>
>No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
>services for free.
How much time have you spent in Canada, Rudy????




== 2 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:39 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca


On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:29:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>On 10/29/2013 7:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>>> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$5188@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>>
>>>>> Canada is not a free country.
>>>>
>>>> And neither is the USA.
>>>
>>> Much freer than Canada.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>>>>
>>>> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.
>>>
>>> No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
>>> services for free.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You dumb American ass. The riches of the land belong to the citizens,
>
>Cut the shit, you dumb fucking ham hock socialist. No, the "riches of
>the land" do not belong to "the people". Not even in Canada.
>
> Ownership of Resources
>
> The right to develop resources (or to choose not to develop them)
> is, in the first instance, a right of ownership. Under the common
> law of Canada, the basic rule is that the ownership of land
> carries with it the right to harvest renewable resources such as
> crops, trees, fish and wildlife, and also the right to extract
> nonrenewable resources such as coal, minerals and oil.
> Originally, governments in Canada gave individuals ownership of
> this type when crown land grants were made to settlers and
> developers, but new policies emerged around the turn of the
> century whereby governments gave only restricted ownership rights
> to resource developers. Mining leases and limited cutting rights
> began to replace outright grants of mineral and forest lands.
>
> http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/resource-rights
>
>The resource rights may not be absolute, but *most* resources are
>privately owned and exploited - as they should be.

No, MOST natural resources are on crown land or land who's owners do
not have mineral rights - They own the top number of feet - and
that's effectively all.
>
>"The commons" is a recipe for economic collapse.
>
>
>> not the multinational corporations which bribe the politicians to give
>> them away.
>
>Fuck off, crybaby commie. Corporations own the resource rights because
>they paid for them.
>
>>
>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily subsidized by
>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>
>Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for care.

Very few, comp[ared to in the USA, where if you don't have the money
for treatment you die - and if anything goes seriously bad healthwise,
you are BROKE.





== 3 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:42 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca


On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:23:49 -0700, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>On 10/29/2013 9:07 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2013 7:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You dumb American ass. The riches of the land belong to the citizens,
>>>
>>> Cut the shit, you dumb fucking ham hock socialist. No, the "riches of
>>> the land" do not belong to "the people". Not even in Canada.
>>>
>>> Ownership of Resources
>>>
>>> The right to develop resources (or to choose not to develop them)
>>> is, in the first instance, a right of ownership. Under the common
>>> law of Canada, the basic rule is that the ownership of land
>>> carries with it the right to harvest renewable resources such as
>>> crops, trees, fish and wildlife, and also the right to extract
>>> nonrenewable resources such as coal, minerals and oil.
>>> Originally, governments in Canada gave individuals ownership of
>>> this type when crown land grants were made to settlers and
>>> developers, but new policies emerged around the turn of the
>>> century whereby governments gave only restricted ownership rights
>>> to resource developers. Mining leases and limited cutting rights
>>> began to replace outright grants of mineral and forest lands.
>>>
>>> http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/resource-rights
>>>
>>> The resource rights may not be absolute, but *most* resources are
>>> privately owned and exploited - as they should be.
>>
>> Canada's land is "Crown Land". Resource companies don't own the land or
>> the resources.
>
>My citation proved you wrong, you stupid cunt.
>
>
>>> "The commons" is a recipe for economic collapse.
>>>
>>>
>>>> not the multinational corporations which bribe the politicians to give
>>>> them away.
>>>
>>> Fuck off, crybaby commie. Corporations own the resource rights because
>>> they paid for them.
>>>
>>
>> Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price because
>
>Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, you do-nothing
>squat-to-piss homo.
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily subsidized by
>>>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>>>
>>> Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for care.
>>>
>>
>> You fucking idiot. Canada's universal healthcare system covers EVERYBODY
>> at half the cost per capita compareD the the currest status in the US.
>
>People die there waiting for care, *EVEN THOUGH* they are nominally
>"covered." Other "covered" people suffer severely degraded quality of
>life because they wait for care.
>
>Your system is shit.
And You, Rudy, know NOTHING about Canada - and not a heck of a lot
about your own country.




== 4 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:56 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:39:59 PM UTC-7, Clare wrote:

>
> Very few, comp[ared to in the USA, where if you don't have the money
>
> for treatment you die - and if anything goes seriously bad healthwise,
>
> you are BROKE.

Nice to see you finally get something right but then even a stopped clock is right twice a day, Clare.

Heath care in the US have been broken for many years. I have no idea if the Affordable Healthcare Act will work or not but something had to be done. It's too bad phoney conservatives like your pal Mark Wieber and the rest of his clique of idiots can't deal with this FACT.

Health care is a right and worthless, shit bags like The Pimple are going to have to face the music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk












== 5 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:57 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 10/29/2013 8:28 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:32:25 -0700, Rudy Canoza
> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
>> On 10/28/2013 7:04 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:26:39 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There is no LEGITIMATE reason for the breed to exist.
>>>>> Here if you have one it has to be registered and neutered, and it
>>>>> cannot be replaced when it dies. You must also carry a minimum of 1
>>>>> million dollars liability insurance.
>>>>>
>>>>> You cannot bring one into the region, or breed them. Period.
>>>>
>>>> I wish California had done that. Id have had to shoot far less dogs,
>>>> and spend far less money on medical bills after my wife was attacked
>>>> by 2 of them.
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>>
>>>
>>> No dice, Gummer. That is Canadian law. No way in hell you can get
>>> sensible laws remotely close to Canada's
>>
>> Fuck off, cunt.
>>
>> I've written many times before about the evils of "hate speech"
>> laws that are prevalent in Canada and Europe — people being
>> fined, prosecuted and hauled before official tribunals for
>> expressing political opinions which the State has prohibited and
>> criminalized. I won't rehash those arguments here, but I do want
>> to note a particularly creepy illustration of how these laws
>> manifest. The far-right hatemonger Ann Coulter was invited by a
>> campus conservative group to speak at the University of Ottawa,
>> and the Vice Provost of that college sent Coulter a letter
>> warning her that she may be subject to criminal prosecution if
>> the views she expresses fall into the realm of prohibited
>> viewpoints
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/2010/03/22/canada_5/
>>
>>
>> Canada is not a free country. Its citizens do not enjoy the protection
>> of basic human rights.
> It's a hell of a lot more "free" than the USA at the moment

It isn't. It's a virtual police state compared with the USA.





== 6 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:58 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 10/29/2013 8:32 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:50:59 -0700, Rudy Canoza
> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
>> On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$5188@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>
>>>> Canada is not a free country.
>>>
>>> And neither is the USA.
>>
>> Much freer than Canada.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>>>
>>> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.
>>
>> No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
>> services for free.
> How much time have you spent in Canada, Rudy????

Quite a lot, actually. And don't get me wrong - I love the place, and I
love Canadians. But your current political climate there is not one of
freedom - not when you can be jailed for saying the "wrong" thing about
some group.





== 7 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:08 pm
From: Mighty Wannabe


Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 8:32 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:50:59 -0700, Rudy Canoza
>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>>> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$5188@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>>
>>>>> Canada is not a free country.
>>>>
>>>> And neither is the USA.
>>>
>>> Much freer than Canada.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>>>>
>>>> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.
>>>
>>> No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
>>> services for free.
>> How much time have you spent in Canada, Rudy????
>
> Quite a lot, actually. And don't get me wrong - I love the place, and I
> love Canadians. But your current political climate there is not one of
> freedom - not when you can be jailed for saying the "wrong" thing about
> some group.


There are limits to free speech. Death threats are not free speech.

"Kill the Jews", "kill the Germans" .... would be racism, not free speech.










== 8 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:10 pm
From: Mighty Wannabe


Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 8:28 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>> It's a hell of a lot more "free" than the USA at the moment
>
> It isn't. It's a virtual police state compared with the USA.
>


You can see more clearly if you pull your head out of ass.








== 9 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:33 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 10/29/2013 9:08 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 10/29/2013 8:32 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:50:59 -0700, Rudy Canoza
>>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>>>> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$5188@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Canada is not a free country.
>>>>>
>>>>> And neither is the USA.
>>>>
>>>> Much freer than Canada.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.
>>>>
>>>> No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
>>>> services for free.
>>> How much time have you spent in Canada, Rudy????
>>
>> Quite a lot, actually. And don't get me wrong - I love the place, and I
>> love Canadians. But your current political climate there is not one of
>> freedom - not when you can be jailed for saying the "wrong" thing about
>> some group.
>
>
> There are limits to free speech. Death threats

We're not talking about death threats, you cunt, and you know it. We're
talking about opinions. In Canada, the expression of opinions can get
you jailed.

Canada is not as free as the USA. This is not in rational dispute.





== 10 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:34 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 10/29/2013 9:10 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 10/29/2013 8:28 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a hell of a lot more "free" than the USA at the moment
>>
>> It isn't. It's a virtual police state compared with the USA.
>>
>
>
> You can see more clearly if

I see with perfect clarity. Canada is not as free as the USA. That's
settled.





== 11 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:44 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:34:00 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 9:10 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
> > Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> >> On 10/29/2013 8:28 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> It's a hell of a lot more "free" than the USA at the moment
>
> >>
>
> >> It isn't. It's a virtual police state compared with the USA.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > You can see more clearly if
>
>
>
> I see with perfect clarity. Canada is not as free as the USA. That's
>
> settled.

It's not settled.




== 12 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:45 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:33:26 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 9:08 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
> > Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> >> On 10/29/2013 8:32 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:50:59 -0700, Rudy Canoza
>
> >>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>
> >>>>> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$5188@EVERESTKC.NET...
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Canada is not a free country.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> And neither is the USA.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Much freer than Canada.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
>
> >>>> services for free.
>
> >>> How much time have you spent in Canada, Rudy????
>
> >>
>
> >> Quite a lot, actually. And don't get me wrong - I love the place, and I
>
> >> love Canadians. But your current political climate there is not one of
>
> >> freedom - not when you can be jailed for saying the "wrong" thing about
>
> >> some group.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > There are limits to free speech. Death threats
>
>
>
> We're not talking about death threats, you cunt, and you know it. We're
>
> talking about opinions. In Canada, the expression of opinions can get
>
> you jailed.
>
>
>
> Canada is not as free as the USA. This is not in rational dispute.

You live in the USA. I own you. Dispute over.




== 13 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:03 pm
From: Mighty Wannabe


Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 9:08 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>
> We're not talking about death threats, you cunt, and you know it. We're
> talking about opinions. In Canada, the expression of opinions can get
> you jailed.
>
> Canada is not as free as the USA. This is not in rational dispute.
>

You must have been sucking on Big Brother's cock balls-deep too long.
Sometimes you have to let go and inhale. You brain is dying from lack of
oxygen.







== 14 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:04 pm
From: rbowman


Mighty Wannabe wrote:

> There are limits to free speech. Death threats are not free speech.

I don't recall Ernst Zundel making death threats.




== 15 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:06 pm
From: Mighty Wannabe


Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 9:10 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2013 8:28 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's a hell of a lot more "free" than the USA at the moment
>>>
>>> It isn't. It's a virtual police state compared with the USA.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You can see more clearly if
>
> I see with perfect clarity. Canada is not as free as the USA. That's
> settled.
>


You see shit with perfect clarity while your head is up in your ass.
Pull you head out of your ass and look again.







== 16 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:06 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 10/29/2013 10:03 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 10/29/2013 9:08 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>
> >
>> We're not talking about death threats, you cunt, and you know it. We're
>> talking about opinions. In Canada, the expression of opinions can get
>> you jailed.
>>
>> Canada is not as free as the USA. This is not in rational dispute.
>>
>
> You must have been sucking on

No.

Canada is not as free as the USA. This is settled.





== 17 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:08 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 10/29/2013 10:04 PM, rbowman wrote:
> Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>> There are limits to free speech. Death threats are not free speech.
>
> I don't recall Ernst Zundel making death threats.

You don't recall Ann Coulter making any, either, but she was threatened
with imprisonment in Canada.





== 18 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:14 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:06:46 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 10:03 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
> > Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> >> On 10/29/2013 9:08 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
> >>
>
> > >
>
> >> We're not talking about death threats, you cunt, and you know it. We're
>
> >> talking about opinions. In Canada, the expression of opinions can get
>
> >> you jailed.
>
> >>
>
> >> Canada is not as free as the USA. This is not in rational dispute.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > You must have been sucking on
>
>
>
> No.
>
>
>
> Canada is not as free as the USA. This is settled.

It's not settled.




== 19 of 19 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:25 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:08:00 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 10:04 PM, rbowman wrote:
>
> > Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> There are limits to free speech. Death threats are not free speech.
>
> >
>
> > I don't recall Ernst Zundel making death threats.
>
>
>
> You don't recall Ann Coulter making any, either, but she was threatened
>
> with imprisonment in Canada.



Ann Coulter gets pwned 2x:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUY5I1QOC4g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUY5I1QOC4g





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TOPIC: Why you should buy "Sioux tools" airtools
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/95475eec443f9dc5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:50 pm
From: "David R. Birch"


On 10/29/2013 1:19 PM, Ignoramus12605 wrote:
> I forgot if I shared this story from three years ago. It still is very
> fresh in my memory.
>
> Three years ago, I sold a completely unremarkable, used and beat up,
> but working, "Sioux tools" air grinder on ebay. The buyer's email
> address indicated that he is with Sioux tools. After he left me a
> positive, I asked him, how come he bought this really old tool, when
> they make new ones?
>
> His answer floored me. He said that they occasionally buy old tools on
> purpose, to evaluate how they wear, what parts and bits in them need
> improvements to last longer for their future versions, etc.
>
> This is so unusual.
>
> The usual attitude, nowadays, is that if the tool lasts beyond the
> three month warranty period, everything is great. Apparently, Sioux
> tools does not think so and wants their toold to last forever.

Henry Ford is said to have sent his engineers out to scrap yards to buy
old Fords. They would inspect the parts to see what was worn out and
what wasn't. The idea was to determine which parts were lasting longer
than they needed to, so they could be redesigned to be made cheaper.

David






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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 8:56 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 10/29/2013 5:25 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:01:16 -0700, Rudy Canoza
> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
>> On 10/29/2013 10:45 AM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:17:09 -0400, "vinny" <vinny@rock.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "F. George McDuffee" <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote in message
>>>> news:p8vs69p3kqr9tr5i3mn82qmk9j2rc95ouf@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 06:07:56 -0400, "vinny" <vinny@rock.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> People need protected from being used I agree, but the minimum wage doesnt
>>>>>> do it. It causes as much harm or more than it cures.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> While this seems plausible, I would like to see your data.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never been able to locate any data shows a
>>>>> statistically significant positive correlation between
>>>>> either inflation adjusted or cy$ minimum wage rates and
>>>>> unemployment. This does not mean there would not be a
>>>>> relationship at some level, for 100$ per hour, but that
>>>>> within the BLS minimum wage range and unemployment data
>>>>> going back a number of years (my analysis is for 1950-2010)
>>>>> there is no significant correlation. [FWIW -- the maximum
>>>>> inflation adjusted minimum wage was in Feb 1968, and it has
>>>>> been downhill from there.]
>>>>> http://mcduffee-associates.us/PE/minwage-inf.xls
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be remembered that all of us other taxpayers are
>>>>> subsidizing the low wages through social safety net payments
>>>>> such as subsidized housing, SNAP/food stamps,
>>>>> Medicare/emergency room, school lunch subsidies, etc.
>>>>> http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/26/how-you-subsidize-the-minimum-wage.aspx
>>>>> http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/sanders-slams-walmart-family-obscene-taxpa
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not at all clear to me how subsidizing cheap labor for
>>>>> some of America's largest corporations makes any sense for
>>>>> the huge majority of taxpayers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Its the dollar menu.
>>>> We want more than we care.
>>> ===============
>>>
>>> Indeed, but in the end we all pay. The choices are:
>>>
>>> (1) Increase the minimum wage and let the people that eat
>>> the burger pay the total price at the window; or
>>
>> Increasing the minimum wage puts people out of work. You aren't helping
>> someone if you get him sacked.
> ==================
>
> Is that you Art, trolling all the way from B.C.?
>
> Like I said where's the beef (data)? All we get are the big
> fluffy buns. [download the .xls file on my web site
> referenced above]
>
> Do your own analysis. Download the monthly CPI-U inflation
> index, the unemployment rate, and the minimum wage.
> Calculate the CPI-U adjusted minimum wage. Just for grins
> "dummy code" the party in the White House.

Shut the fuck up, McDumpster. You haven't done any of that, and you
*can't* do any of it.

Artificially rigging the wage for unskilled labor above the market
clearing price puts that category of labor out of work - demonstrated
time and time again. It just doesn't work. It has an entirely perverse
effect, and the people it is *nominally* - that's the key - supposed to
help are actually harmed. The people it is really supposed to help -
organized labor - indeed do benefit.





== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:08 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:56:52 PM UTC-7, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> Shut the fuck up, McDumpster. You haven't done any of that, and you
>
> *can't* do any of it.

George will not only keep posting but you will learn to like what he posts and say so.

You got that, bitch?






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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:17 pm
From: jon_banquer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk





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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:47 pm
From: Jeanne Douglas


In article <l4ptt8$m81$1@posting.glorb.com>,
"James" <kingkong@fewpb.net> wrote:

> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hlwdjsd2-63F0F6.15455529102013@news.giganews.com
> >
> > And more projection.
> >
> >> 3) Liberals emphasize feeling superior, not superior results. Thus a
> >> program like Headstart, which sounds good because it's designed to
> >> help children read, makes liberals feel good about themselves, even
> >> though the program doesn't work and wastes billions.
> >
> > Oh, really. Then why do the FACTS and data PROVE that Head Start
> > works?
> >
> >> 4) Liberals are big believers in moral relativism. If you're against
> >> firm standards and condemning immoral behavior, then your moral
> >> compass won¹t work and you¹ll also be for immorality, as well as
> >> societal and cultural decay by default.
> >
> > Define "moral".
> >
> >> 6) Liberals take a dim view of personal responsibility.
> >
> > It's not liberals making lame excuses for every bad thing they do.
>
> Yes, liberals know everything. Jusk ask one.

Name one liberal who claims to know everything.

--

JD

New Rule: If you cost the economy $24,000,000,000 and got nothing in
return, you don't get to call yourself a "fiscal conservative.





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TOPIC: saw blade teeth per inch? water pipe.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 9:47 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"


A cordless metal cutting circular saw with the proper carbide-tipped blade
may work very well if the pipe is exposed enough for the blade to pass thru
it.
I recently used my Panasonic metal cutting model to cut some 3/4 round CRS
which was making the cuts in about 6 seconds. a lot faster than hand sawing
and generally faster than many bandsaws.

The trouble with some saber saws and sawzall types is that if they aren't
variable or multi-speed tools (often intended for carpentry work), they will
likely reciproate too fast for metal cutting.. especially steel.
Reciprocating saws tend to generate a lot of vibration which can lead to
relatively fast blade failure due to tooth chipping.. especially when
cutting steel.
The usual causes of failure of reciprocating metal cutting blades are
chipped and/or overheated teeth which dull rapidly.

If the blade speed is slow enough to greatly reduce the saw's vibration, a
reciprocating saw can cut steel very effectively (power hacksaw for
example).

--
WB
.........


"mike" <ham789@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:l4jljt$frc$1@dont-email.me...
>I need to make about 30 cuts in 3/4" water pipe
> while hanging 40 feet in the air.
> I'm thinking the reciprocating saw will be too heavy
> and hard to handle, so I'll try with a jigsaw.
>
> What do you recommend for saw blades?
> Teeth per inch?
> I'm looking for a compromise between speed of cut
> and blade life. Changing blades won't be easy up there.
>
> Home depot has a whole wall of blades, but I'm thinking
> that buying the most expensive may not be the optimum choice?
> Anything particular to look for?
>
> Thanks, mike






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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 29 2013 10:03 pm
From: "Chimp Chat"


In article <ws21-6FE6A9.14521429102013@70-3-168-
216.pools.spcsdns.net>
Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:
>
> In article <175c3dcbf6d61acda926e796e4ede34c@dizum.com>,
> "Bird Man" <birdman@gasouthern.edu> wrote:
>
> > Pictured: Whitney's daughter Bobbi Kristina kisses 'brother'
> > lover Nick... as grandmother blasts 'incestuous engagement'
> >
> > Bobbi Kristina is pictured here stepping out in public for the
> > first time with the man who is healing her broken heart in the
> > wake of her mother's death.
> >
> > The 19-year-old daughter of Whitney Houston, who was sporting a
> > ring on her wedding finger, is rumoured to be secretly engaged
> > to Nick Gordon, 22.
> >
> > Their union, however, is causing concern for some - with Bobbi's
> > grandmother Cissy Houston having apparently branded their
> > relationship incestuous.
> >
> > The couple were pictured here on Tuesday visiting a pizza
> > parlour in their hometown on Atlanta, Georgia.
> >
> > In a public declaration of their love, they were seen kissing
> > and holding hands as they put on a tactile display.
> >
> > Bobbi was also wearing a large ring on her engagement finger
> > amid reports they have secretly got engaged.
> >
> > Despite the pair not actually being blood relatives, Bobbi and
> > Nick grew up together after Whitney took him in at the age of 12
> > when his father went to prison and his mother was unable to take
> > care of him.
> >
> > However, Cissy said that Bobbi and Nick's romance still
> > constitutes wrongdoing, telling TMZ.com: 'What they're doing is
> > incestuous.'
> >
> > Cissy is also quoted as telling the website that she believes
> > Nick is taking advantage of Bobbi and her issues.
> >
> > It is claimed that Cissy has even requested that the Whitney
> > Houston Estate get involved in an attempt to get him evicted
> > from Whitney's $1.2m Atlanta townhouse, where he is apparently
> > currently living alongside Bobbi.
> >
> > Meanwhile TMZ reports that Bobbi Kristina is not listening to
> > her grandmother and the website reports she is telling friends
> > she doesn't care what her family thinks.
> >
> > A source told the site that Bobbi: 'Can't please everyone, so
> > she is going to please herself by doing what she wants to do for
> > once.'
>
> In English: Grandma is nuts.

In liberalspeak: It's okay for brothers to fuck and impregnate
sisters, because they're black and that's what they do. If you
object to this abnormal behavior, you are no doubt a racist.





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