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* Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
* England vs Obama - 14 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
* It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
* Lawmakers Push to Impeach Disgraced Attorney General Holder - 6 messages, 4
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/482b5147aada0f6a?hl=en

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TOPIC: Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:49 pm
From: Guy Fawkes


Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:g48789tpdmqptvk9tvqr5da40gqh6d8mtg@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:51:26 -0700, deep wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:33:17 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Guy Fawkes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since being a socialist scumbag, clearly you don't grasp how this
>>>> sort of things. Everything is more expensive at first then gets
>>>> cheaper.
>>>
>>>The biggest drawback to 3-D printers so far is time. They chug along
>>>for hours to produce a reasonably complex part. No problem for one offs
>>>but not feasible for production.
>>
>>Plus, contrary to what some people seem to think, you don't click on
>>print and end up with a working gun in your printer. You build each
>>and every part individually then after a couple of days or so you have
>>a pile of parts then you need gunsmithing skills to put it all
>>together. Additionally you need a source for the springs. You're
>>not going to print a functioning spring out on any kind of 3D printer.
>
> wrong again...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AypvcGYJb-c
>
> and again....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHrlasCSa3U
>
> Fuck, don't you know how to use Google?
>
>>So unless you can get the proper springs somewhere you will never be
>>able to build a functioning firearm.
>
> And wrong a third time!
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/08/tech/innovation/3d-printed-metal-gun/
>

In any case, you clearly don't understand how resistance works. I don't
need the best gun to get a better gun.

The Liberator was a cheap, single shot .45 that resistance fighters used to
get a Mauser, Schmeisser or Luger.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.




== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:02 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:45:22 PM UTC-8, Scout wrote:

> Heck, I see a day in the future where you print out most of what you want in
>
> your home. You simply pay for a limited run instruction file if you want the
>
> latest and greatest and the older stuff can be had at discount or even
>
> free....

Will you be printing out a new brain then? The one you currently have doesn't work to well.




== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:10 pm
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/13/2013 7:08 PM, deep wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:59:36 -0600, "David R. Birch"
> <dbirch@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/12/2013 9:51 PM, deep wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:33:17 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Guy Fawkes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since being a socialist scumbag, clearly you don't grasp how this sort of
>>>>> things. Everything is more expensive at first then gets cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> The biggest drawback to 3-D printers so far is time. They chug along for
>>>> hours to produce a reasonably complex part. No problem for one offs but not
>>>> feasible for production.
>>>
>>> Plus, contrary to what some people seem to think, you don't click on
>>> print and end up with a working gun in your printer. You build each
>>> and every part individually then after a couple of days or so you have
>>> a pile of parts then you need gunsmithing skills to put it all
>>> together.
>>
>> Really? Any GI issued an M1911A1 like that printed pistol could
>> completely strip and reassembly the pistol in minutes.
>>
>>> Additionally you need a source for the springs. You're
>>> not going to print a functioning spring out on any kind of 3D printer.
>>
>> The springs can be easily made from flat spring steel, or printed, then
>> formed and heat treated.
>>
>>> So unless you can get the proper springs somewhere you will never be
>>> able to build a functioning firearm.
>>
>> Of course, all the springs for an M1911A1 could be bought for less than $30.
>>
>>> That makes it somewhat more
>>> problematic than downloading the diagrams and clicking on print.
>>
>> The parts not easily printable are easily fabricated or bought by the
>> adept, but not by the technologically inept like you.
>>
> You completely miss the point of course so maybe you should STFU.

The point is that what you see as major obstacles are easily solved
minor problems. Since you don't have a clue about these issues, why are
you discussing them?

David





== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:26 pm
From: deep


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:10:48 -0600, "David R. Birch"
<dbirch@wi.rr.com> wrote:

>On 11/13/2013 7:08 PM, deep wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:59:36 -0600, "David R. Birch"
>> <dbirch@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/12/2013 9:51 PM, deep wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:33:17 -0700, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Guy Fawkes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since being a socialist scumbag, clearly you don't grasp how this sort of
>>>>>> things. Everything is more expensive at first then gets cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest drawback to 3-D printers so far is time. They chug along for
>>>>> hours to produce a reasonably complex part. No problem for one offs but not
>>>>> feasible for production.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, contrary to what some people seem to think, you don't click on
>>>> print and end up with a working gun in your printer. You build each
>>>> and every part individually then after a couple of days or so you have
>>>> a pile of parts then you need gunsmithing skills to put it all
>>>> together.
>>>
>>> Really? Any GI issued an M1911A1 like that printed pistol could
>>> completely strip and reassembly the pistol in minutes.
>>>
>>>> Additionally you need a source for the springs. You're
>>>> not going to print a functioning spring out on any kind of 3D printer.
>>>
>>> The springs can be easily made from flat spring steel, or printed, then
>>> formed and heat treated.
>>>
>>>> So unless you can get the proper springs somewhere you will never be
>>>> able to build a functioning firearm.
>>>
>>> Of course, all the springs for an M1911A1 could be bought for less than $30.
>>>
>>>> That makes it somewhat more
>>>> problematic than downloading the diagrams and clicking on print.
>>>
>>> The parts not easily printable are easily fabricated or bought by the
>>> adept, but not by the technologically inept like you.
>>>
>> You completely miss the point of course so maybe you should STFU.
>
>The point is that what you see as major obstacles are easily solved
>minor problems. Since you don't have a clue about these issues, why are
>you discussing them?
>
>David

The point being, asshat, besides being beyond your ability to grasp,
is that not "just anybody" can print out their own guns like is being
implied. It takes either a source of the correct springs or a
professional machinists skill to be able to fabricate them. And
assembing a complete working firearm from scratch is NOT the same as
field stripping an M1.





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TOPIC: England vs Obama
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:51 pm
From: Winston_Smith


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:39:02 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
<123machinist@notmail.com> wrote:

>Only two acting heads of state attenden Margaret Thatcher's
>funeral; Queen Elizabeth II, and Bulgarian President Rosen Plevneliev

You are morphing the point. The original post read.
|-- the Obama administration chose
|-- not to send a single senior member of the Cabinet.
|-- In fact, no actively serving, elected Democrat

That says nothing about head of state. You just now introduce that so
you can point out there weren't many.

There are many serving and past Democrats that would be perfectly
suitable representatives. Clinton must have known her and a good part
of his education was in England. He'd probably love a chance to see if
England still swings like a pendulum do.

>> Is it true when Gunner says you have the hammer and sickle worked into
>> your company logo?
>
>Gunner is dead, for all practical purposes.

Gunner will be very surprised to hear that.

I also note your evasion of the question.




== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:58 pm
From: Guy Fawkes


deep wrote in news:r93689h6habm2al7fag0onhnof2q3n13a7@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:54:38 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:28:56 -0700, "Ray Keller"
>><Leftards@desperate.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>England vs Obama
>>>
>>>
>>>One reason why England will not join us against Syria:
>>>
>>> President Obama was a no-show at Margaret Thatcher's funeral despite
>>>being invited to attend and thus snubbing England 's invitation as a
>>>representative of the American people. Joe Biden also refused, as did
>>>Hillary Clinton.
>>
>>There was no invitation from "England" , or indeed Britain.
>>
>>In all of the countries of the United Kingdom, England included,
>>ordinary folk held street parties to rejoice and celebrate her death.
>
> They were singing in the streets "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead". She
> was an evil witch who helped the wealthy destroy the middle class.
>

You really are a fucking moron.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.




== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:58 pm
From: "PrecisionmachinisT" <123machinist@notmail.com>



"Winston_Smith" <invalid@butterfly.net> wrote in message news:7m8889tpdj327oji090ube7h1fa2a1l35i@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:49:09 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <123machinist@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>2) I linked you to a 13 page document containg 20 items per page
>>outlining promises Obama has kept, which you won't even look at....
>
>>3) Which means you are fucking liar, as usual....
>
> I didn't choose to read some propaganda,

How in the fuck could you know what it is, you never read it......


> therefore I AM a liar.

Well, at least you've got THAT part correct ....

> That must be some of the liberal logic we hear so much about.

Naww.....it's just the voices in your head you're hearing.....

> And, of course, some profanity and personal insults. Traditional sign
> of a liberal who can't hold up his side of a discussion.

You're the one who's avoiding discussion, by attempting to change the subject, Winston....

> Is it true when Gunner says you have worked the hammer and sickle into
> your company logo?

Another lie...Gunner is a habitual liar--it's been proven many, many times....it's foolish for anyone to believe anything that he says.

--you and him seem to have a lot in common....




== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:59 pm
From: Guy Fawkes


deep wrote in news:4ov7895p4ekm3sbcjstfkffa67k4jkbvcn@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:21:36 -0700, Winston_Smith
><invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:25:22 -0700, deep wrote:
>>
>>>They were singing in the streets "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead". She
>>>was an evil witch who helped the wealthy destroy the middle class.
>>
>>Very simply, a human being died. She had friends, family, and yes,
>>political supporters that morn her.
>
> She was a corrupt, evil person. Just google thatcher corruption and
> you will see. Regular people rejoice when somebody like that is
> finally gone. Unfortunately the damage people like she and Ronald
> Reagan have done will be with us forever.
>
>
>

Make sure your death notice is posted here. I'll buy the first keg.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.




== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:59 pm
From: Guy Fawkes


deep wrote in news:q718891obi8qv06vhg854mhmq7i634kgat@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:50:31 -0800, Rudy Canoza
><LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
>>On 11/13/2013 2:13 PM, deep wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:22:53 -0800, Rudy Canoza
>>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:25 PM, deep wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:54:38 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>> <Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:28:56 -0700, "Ray Keller"
>>>>>> <Leftards@desperate.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> England vs Obama
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One reason why England will not join us against Syria:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> President Obama was a no-show at Margaret Thatcher's funeral
>>>>>>> despite being invited to attend and thus snubbing England 's
>>>>>>> invitation as a representative of the American people. Joe Biden
>>>>>>> also refused, as did Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was no invitation from "England" , or indeed Britain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In all of the countries of the United Kingdom, England included,
>>>>>> ordinary folk held street parties to rejoice and celebrate her
>>>>>> death.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were singing in the streets "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead". She
>>>>> was an evil witch who helped the wealthy destroy the middle class.
>>>>
>>>> Only the parasites were doing that. The decent people, the backbone
>>>> of the UK, mourned her death. She was a good woman and a great
>>>> leader. You, you fuckstain, weren't fit to put a new roll of toilet
>>>> paper into her washroom.
>>>
>>> She was a bitchy female version of the
>>
>>She was a great leader who prevented the UK from sinking into third
>>world living conditions.
>
> No she didn't. Under her leadership the wealthy got richer, the poor
> got poorer, and a large portion of the middle class sunk into poverty.
> She cut taxes on her wealthy friends and drastically cut education to
> pay for it.
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/british-education-in-crisis-lit
> eracy-and-numeracy-skills-of-young-people-in-uk-among-lowest-in-developed
> -world-8866117.html
>

More Marxist blather. Good Gawd you people are stupid. To atupid to be
allowed to live lest you contaminate the gene pool.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.




== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:00 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:51:16 PM UTC-8, Winston_Smith wrote:

> Gunner will be very surprised to hear that.

No one who remembers what Mark Wieber was like before his stroke and who is objective will be surprised. Wieber is mentally dead. He's basically on life support.





== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:01 pm
From: Guy Fawkes


"PrecisionmachinisT" <123machinist@notmail.com> wrote in
news:ScidnfarB_oHmxnPnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@scnresearch.com:

>
> "Winston_Smith" <invalid@butterfly.net> wrote in message
> news:orv789t4mubjpk95eevkafa1t2m66r8btr@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:13:42 -0700, deep wrote:
>>
>>>She was a bitchy female version of the sociopath Ronald Reagan. Both
>>>of them hated regular people and did nothing but work to benefit the
>>>ultra wealthy and powerful.
>>
>> So the left is giving up on being uniters, diversity, tolerance, being
>> inclusive, and such similar fuzzy feel good ideas then?
>>
>
> No, the left is simply telling the truth about Reagan, and Thatcher.
>
>>
>> Obama's whole campaign pitch was a crock and a load, you are saying.
>>
>
> No, that's just something you pulled out of your ass, Winston.
>
>> It sounded good, but no plans to deliver one bit of it.
>
> Yup, sure thing...
>
> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise
> -kept/
>
>
>
>

Are you interested in truth? Perhaps you should chat with the liar Obama.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.




== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:10 pm
From: Winston_Smith


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:58:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"wrote:
>"Winston_Smith" wrote
>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:49:09 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote:
>>
>>>2) I linked you to a 13 page document containg 20 items per page
>>>outlining promises Obama has kept, which you won't even look at....
>>
>>>3) Which means you are fucking liar, as usual....
>>
>> I didn't choose to read some propaganda,
>
>How in the fuck could you know what it is, you never read it......

I know what promises he did not keep. The ones I considered important.
Your page either talks about other irrelevant picky stuff or it lies.
Either way I don't need it to determine if Obama has lied to me.

>> therefore I AM a liar.
>
>Well, at least you've got THAT part correct ....

That was clever twenty five years ago.
>
>> That must be some of the liberal logic we hear so much about.
>
>Naww.....it's just the voices in your head you're hearing.....

Some profanity up top and now personal insults. Traditional sign
of a liberal who can't hold up his side of a discussion.

>> And, of course, some profanity and personal insults. Traditional sign
>> of a liberal who can't hold up his side of a discussion.

True then; true now.

>You're the one who's avoiding discussion, by attempting to change the subject, Winston....

Changing the subject ???? You morphed to a whole new thread. I guess
you got your rocks off on that one, huh?

>> Is it true when Gunner says you have worked the hammer and sickle into
>> your company logo?
>
>Another lie...Gunner is a habitual liar--it's been proven many, many times....
>it's foolish for anyone to believe anything that he says.
>
>--you and him seem to have a lot in common....

I only asked if it was true. Thou dost protest too much, me thinks.

How about a link to your logo so everyone can see for themselves?




== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:16 pm
From: "PrecisionmachinisT" <123machinist@notmail.com>



"Winston_Smith" <invalid@butterfly.net> wrote in message news:tka889htr1lnf4f7utblh4tafid6s9ho4c@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:39:02 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <123machinist@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Only two acting heads of state attenden Margaret Thatcher's
>>funeral; Queen Elizabeth II, and Bulgarian President Rosen Plevneliev
>
> You are morphing the point. The original post read.
> |-- the Obama administration chose
> |-- not to send a single senior member of the Cabinet.
> |-- In fact, no actively serving, elected Democrat
>


Liar.

The original post says:

"President Obama was a no-show at Margaret Thatcher's funeral despite
being invited to attend and thus snubbing England 's invitation as a
representative of the American people. Joe Biden also refused, as did
Hillary Clinton."


> That says nothing about head of state.

See above

> You just now introduce that so

No I did not.

> you can point out there weren't many.

Hogwash.

> There are many serving and past Democrats that would be perfectly
> suitable representatives.

And several of them went.

> Clinton must have known her and a good part
> of his education was in England. He'd probably love a chance to see if
> England still swings like a pendulum do.

And so what?

>>> Is it true when Gunner says you have the hammer and sickle worked into
>>> your company logo?
>>
>>Gunner is dead, for all practical purposes.
>
> Gunner will be very surprised to hear that.
>
> I also note your evasion of the question.

Only an imbecile would even ask such a question.




== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:18 pm
From: deep


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:38:43 -0700, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:

>It matters not whether the Republicans fought it, that's just your
>mis-direction. The executive - Obama's executive - wrote the working
>rules and regulations.

Nonsense. Maybe you should figure out what you are talking about
first before you go on.

>The Democrat legislature passed the enabling
>legislation. The Republicans could do little more than bitch and moan.
>
No, they forced 44 votes now to try to repeal it. They fought the
legislation every step of the way and made no meaningful contribution
to it.





== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:19 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:10:00 PM UTC-8, Winston_Smith wrote:

> I only asked if it was true. Thou dost protest too much, me thinks.

You don't think. That's the problem.

When someone has to reference a proven liar like Mark Wieber to try and make a point they have lost the argument.





== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:23 pm
From: Klaus Schadenfreude


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:18:41 -0700, deep wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:38:43 -0700, Winston_Smith
><invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>
>>It matters not whether the Republicans fought it, that's just your
>>mis-direction. The executive - Obama's executive - wrote the working
>>rules and regulations.
>
>Nonsense. Maybe you should figure out what you are talking about
>first before you go on.

That's never stopped you before, has it?




== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:23 pm
From: "PrecisionmachinisT" <123machinist@notmail.com>



"jon_banquer" <jonbanquer@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ecb656f8-51c9-4181-a260-3b6615c8e626@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:51:16 PM UTC-8, Winston_Smith wrote:
>
>> Gunner will be very surprised to hear that.
>
> No one who remembers what Mark Wieber was like before his stroke and who is objective will be surprised. Wieber is mentally dead. He's basically on life support.
>

My guess is some of his junk will eventually fall and trap him and the authorities won't find him till the dogs have pretty much consume the remains.




== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:23 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/13/2013 6:18 PM, deep wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:38:43 -0700, Winston_Smith
> <invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>
>> It matters not whether the Republicans fought it, that's just your
>> mis-direction. The executive - Obama's executive - wrote the working
>> rules and regulations.
>
> Nonsense.

No, not nonsense. No legislator writes a law like that. Executive
branch staffers do.


>> The Democrat legislature passed the enabling
>> legislation. The Republicans could do little more than bitch and moan.
>>
> No, they

Yes. It's a Democrat law.






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TOPIC: It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:52 pm
From: John B.


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:55:06 -0800, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>On 11/13/2013 7:52 AM, jim lied:
>
>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 11/13/2013 5:04 AM, jim lied:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to
>>>>>> replace minimum wage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum
>>>>> wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already
>>>>> made into patties.
>>>>
>>>> Get real.
>>>
>>> You try it, for a change.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment
>>>
>>> It's not just higher unemployment; it is reduced employment in the first
>>> place.
>>
>> Nice gobbledeegook
>
>Not at all. If you knew any economics at all, you'd know I'm right.

I don't know about your economics but I distinctly remember when I
lived in riverside that the city stopped the summer employment of high
school and collage kids due to "higher minimum wage regulations".

--
Cheers,

John B.




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:05 pm
From: Tom Gardner


On 11/11/2013 6:37 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:56:20 -0800 (PST), "dcaster@krl.org"
> <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:19:28 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>
>>> Why would anyone in his right mind want FIVE welders in his fucking garage?
>>
>> Four would really be enougb. One is an oxy acet welder. Sometimes that is the best tool for the job. One is an old AC stick welder, which takes the least time to set and use for many jobs. One is a Tig welder which is the ticket for aluminium and nice looking stainless welds. One is a Mig which is kind of like a metal glue gun. Another one is an AC/DC stick welder, which I bought fairly recently because the price was too good to pass up. And sometimes DC stick is good. I could do without one of the stick welders.
>>
>> Or is your point that they should be in a proper shop, not in the garage.
>>
>> Dan
>
> I have a few in my shop
>
> Miller Dialarc 250 stick
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202938836541938
>
> Miller 35 Mig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202839780310162
>
> Miller 35 Mig with Prince XL feeder and gun for aluminum
> Airco 300 Square Wave Tig (375 amp)
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202975647183106
>
> Now thats just the electrical "welders" that I keep in the shop.
>
> I do have (2) O/A rigs, one set up for cutting, one set up for brazing
>
> On the other hand...I do have a few others .....
> Not counting the Miller 2050 plasma cutter....
>
> 1 Lincoln Ranger 9
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203249304212210
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Ranger9
>
> 1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 (flux core only)
> 1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 with spool gun (aluminum..very small weld)
> 1 spare Airco 300 Squarewave tig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203342162815218
>
> 1 Airco 250 Square wave Tig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732618424994786
>
> 1 Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC stick
> 1 Harbor freight Mig
> 1 Hobart 150 Mig (nope...traded that and a set of torches and bottles
> for the Venture 24 last month. I think it was the Hobart...hummm..
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Venture24
>
>
>
> 1 Hobart Bro. 300 amp gasoline welder (Liberty Ship surplus from WW2)
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/1943HobartGasolineWelder
>
> 1 Dan Mig 200 mig
> (shown in several of the above links)
>
> All run fine and I use most of them for "loaners" or field welders if
> I have to do some welding for a client. out and about somewhere.
>
> Ive used the Airco 250 quite a bit, as well as the Miller Thunderbolt
> (which gets borrowed a lot)
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/WeldingStuff
>
> If Jonboi likes..I can have myself photographed standing beside each
> of the unphotographed machines for verification..along with a placard
> each discussing something interesting in Jons life...started out with
> "Got Bail?" and "Westec..a fun place to go for the show!" etc etc
>
> Afterall...Im just a nobody with nothing but junk...shrug
>
> Which reminds me...since I put in the cargo container..Ive had to
> change everything around outside..so will need to rephotograph
> everything again....its all been moved around.
>
> From the move...
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732759039926610
>
>
> Oh..I forgot..the Airco PhaseArc 350 Mig. 3ph, 375 amps, its on
> consignment in Costa Mesa. Takes 100 amps to run it...but it will do
> spray transfer quite nicely.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
>
> And then of course Ive way..way..way too many torches, hoses, gauges
> and dodads and accessories....shrug
>
> And I swapped off the American spot welder about 6 months ago
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
>
>
> Humm...Im still waiting for photos of his shop and his home. Odd..its
> been what...6 months with periodic requests..and still nothing
>
> Here is mine....
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602
>
> So Jonniboi? Whats up wid dat?
>
> They dont let you take photos at the shelter? Hummmm?
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> Liberals want everyone to think like them.
> Conservatives want everyone to think.
>


So, what treasure did you find in your rearrangement that you thought
was gone forever?





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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 5:55 pm
From: Guy Fawkes


rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in news:beg7ntFuevpU2
@mid.individual.net:

> wrote:
>
>> They were provided the intel by The Executive. The assumed it was
>> true. Nobody every suspected that The President would lie to Congress
>> to start a war.
>
> What kind of frigging idiots were they? Damn near every war president has
> lied to Congress and the American people to start the war, particularly
> Democrats.
>

I have to apologize for having been crude with you earlier, I thought you
were someone else. Name is similar.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.




== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:06 pm
From: Johnny Johnson


In article <8oa38991t75ldq4btpek89rqbrrmvupgc3@4ax.com>, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net>...
>
Guess you never gave any consideration to the subliminal message your chose
of "invalid" as a phony e-mail address is; did you, Winston?

in�val�id / adjective
a : being without foundation or force in fact, truth, or law <an invalid
assumption> <declared the will invalid>
b : logically inconsequent
1: suffering from disease or disability : sickly
2: of, relating to, or suited to one that is sick <an invalid chair>
invalid / noun
\same as 2\
: a person who needs to be cared for because of injury or illness
: one who is sickly or disabled

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invalid
>
> ...says...
>
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 03:24:17 +0000 (UTC), Guy Fawkes wrote:
>
>> deep shit wrote
>
>>> Why did they never impeach Bush, even when proof was offered
>>> that he intentionally lied to Congress?
>>
>> Um, because such proof was never presented.
>> At least here in the real world.
>
> Do you honestly believe there were massive amounts of WMDs?
>
How "massive" does an amount of VX have to be, WS?

A drop the size of Lincoln's eye on the penny will kill you immediately:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbBnvz0rw0
>
> And production facilities?
>
VX can be whipped up in a kitchen.
>
> Do you honesty believe they had a nuclear program on the edge
> of building bombs?
>
Red Herring, WS: nuclear is merely a single form of "WMD."

While Sodamn Insane certainly wanted nuclear capabilities, he had, and used,
VX.
>
> Do you believe they had rockets and a bevy of aircraft ready to
> deliver them to the mainland US?
>
You really love Red Herrings; don't you?
>
> If we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here.
> Do you honestly believe Iraqis are that good as trans-Atlantic swimmers?
>
Gee, WS: seems as though all those Muslim extremists are pretty good at
hijacking ocean-going ships and aircraft.

Or haven't you been keeping up with world events?
>
> Do you honestly think Bush didn't know he was putting out a crock?
>
Why do you continue to ignore all those Democrat leaders that said the same
thing, WS?

Is your BDS that bad?





== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:13 pm
From: Winston_Smith


On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:08:58 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:13:25 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>
>>I agree. Mostly. He can grope all he wants. They were both grown up
>>people. Lying to Congress is another story. Of course there is the
>>question whether it's any of the business of Congress. I don't see how
>>the President gets his jollies on his own time as a national issue.
>
>Why didn't he just come out and say, "Yeah, I was fucking that skank
>on my own time" then?
>
>The People would have understood, right?

Those are the decisions a person must make when they choose to lead a
public life and also pursue the evening activities of an alley cat.
His call.

I hope you are not saying it's OK for a politician to lie because
otherwise he might get the public mad at him, are you?




== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:21 pm
From: Klaus Schadenfreude


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:13:00 -0700, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:08:58 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:13:25 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>>>I agree. Mostly. He can grope all he wants. They were both grown up
>>>people. Lying to Congress is another story. Of course there is the
>>>question whether it's any of the business of Congress. I don't see how
>>>the President gets his jollies on his own time as a national issue.
>>
>>Why didn't he just come out and say, "Yeah, I was fucking that skank
>>on my own time" then?
>>
>>The People would have understood, right?
>
>Those are the decisions a person must make when they choose to lead a
>public life and also pursue the evening activities of an alley cat.
>His call.
>
>I hope you are not saying it's OK for a politician to lie because
>otherwise he might get the public mad at him, are you?

Politicians lie. It's their nature. What we need to do is weed out the
politicians from public life and replace them with statesmen.

Since Democrats claim that it was such a "little, inconsequential
thing" I am surprised Clinton- the leader of their party at the time--
didn't agree with them, and explain in gruesome detail how he managed
to stain Monica's dress.

After all, it was just a blowjob.

So what was all the bullshit about "is?"





== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:27 pm
From: Johnny Johnson


In article <8oa38991t75ldq4btpek89rqbrrmvupgc3@4ax.com>, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net>...
>
Guess you never gave any consideration to the subliminal message your choice
of "invalid" as a phony e-mail address is; did you, Winston?

in·val·id / adjective
a : being without foundation or force in fact, truth, or law <an invalid
assumption> <declared the will invalid>
b : logically inconsequent
1: suffering from disease or disability : sickly
2: of, relating to, or suited to one that is sick <an invalid chair>
invalid / noun
\same as 2\
: a person who needs to be cared for because of injury or illness
: one who is sickly or disabled

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invalid
>
> ...says...
>
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 03:24:17 +0000 (UTC), Guy Fawkes wrote:
>
>> deep shit wrote
>
>>> Why did they never impeach Bush, even when proof was offered
>>> that he intentionally lied to Congress?
>>
>> Um, because such proof was never presented.
>> At least here in the real world.
>
> Do you honestly believe there were massive amounts of WMDs?
>
How "massive" does an amount of VX have to be, WS?

A drop the size of Lincoln's eye on the penny will kill you immediately:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbBnvz0rw0
>
> And production facilities?
>
VX can be whipped up in a kitchen.
>
> Do you honesty believe they had a nuclear program on the edge
> of building bombs?
>
Red Herring, WS: nuclear is merely a single form of "WMD."

While Sodamn Insane certainly wanted nuclear capabilities, he had, and used,
VX.
>
> Do you believe they had rockets and a bevy of aircraft ready to
> deliver them to the mainland US?
>
You really love Red Herrings; don't you?
>
> If we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here.
> Do you honestly believe Iraqis are that good as trans-Atlantic swimmers?
>
Gee, WS: seems as though all those Muslim extremists are pretty good at
hijacking ocean-going ships and aircraft.

Or haven't you been keeping up with world events?
>
> Do you honestly think Bush didn't know he was putting out a crock?
>
Why do you continue to ignore all those Democrat leaders that said the same
thing, WS?

Is your BDS that bad?





== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 13 2013 6:31 pm
From: Winston_Smith


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:06:58 -0600, Johnny Johnson wrote:
>Winston_Smith

>Guess you never gave any consideration to the subliminal message your chose
>of "invalid" as a phony e-mail address is; did you, Winston?

That is the recommend way to indicate a bogus address. It's consistent
and it's honest.

>How "massive" does an amount of VX have to be, WS?
>
>A drop the size of Lincoln's eye on the penny will kill you immediately:

And the delivery system to get it to "masses" of victims ??

>VX can be whipped up in a kitchen.

Any proof Saddam was doing that? And, again, the delivery.

>> Do you honesty believe they had a nuclear program on the edge
>> of building bombs?
>>
>Red Herring, WS: nuclear is merely a single form of "WMD."

Not a red herring. Bush ran multiple versions of the theme. Gas was
one, nuclear was another. Several flavors of each.

>While Sodamn Insane certainly wanted nuclear capabilities, he had, and used,
>VX.

Was that the stuff we gave him to use on the Iranians? If so, 'used'
is the operative word. If any was left, it was most likely inert from
age. IIRC they did find "traces" that required sophisticated chemical
methods for detection.

>> Do you believe they had rockets and a bevy of aircraft ready to
>> deliver them to the mainland US?
>>
>You really love Red Herrings; don't you?

That's one of Bush's too.

>> If we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here.
>> Do you honestly believe Iraqis are that good as trans-Atlantic swimmers?
>>
>Gee, WS: seems as though all those Muslim extremists are pretty good at
>hijacking ocean-going ships and aircraft.

To the extent of being an invasion force? Who's making the red
herrings here?

>Or haven't you been keeping up with world events?
>>
>> Do you honestly think Bush didn't know he was putting out a crock?
>>
>Why do you continue to ignore all those Democrat leaders that said the same
>thing, WS?

I haven't. I've given them some licks in this very thread.

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|-- >Problem was all the Ds in Congress voted for the
|-- >"whatever you think, George" resolution and were on the hook. They
|-- >should have done their own research and dissented, but they rode the
|-- >fad of the day and got co-opted.

>Is your BDS that bad?

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