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Today's topics:

* What is it? Set 519 - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e1fa133a25bf006c?hl=en
* For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener - 11 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
* Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
* electronic ignitor - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/822ec753cf872c81?hl=en
* The rich pay less taxes - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
* On topic- Bob Dylan - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/86300e03fe2d8aa8?hl=en
* It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
* England vs Obama - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
* Can a Fetus be killed but NOT be married? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2b624b4ab616239?hl=en
* Pussy Riot's Nadya is being taught not to mess with Putin - In Siberia. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/980bebb9030a0f7b?hl=en
* Tom Gardner still here? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 519
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e1fa133a25bf006c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 6:34 pm
From: j


On 11/14/2013 4:31 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This is about what I thought. The knurled nut is to adjust the points.
>>>
>>> This answer is right, I was thinking it was for a Model T but I don't know for
>>> sure.
>>
>> No. The T's (not many) I've seen have a coil for each spark plug.
>>
>> Jeff
>>>
>>
>
>
> At the link below are a couple of paragraphs about Ford cars and vibrators, it
> starts on page 84:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=MB8yAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA85#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
Thanks.

I did a bit more reading and it looks like Ford did not like master
vibrators, and when they did,it was a different set up.

It could be an after market for any number of other vehicles though,
bolted on the firewall.

All in all, very cool!

My grandfather had a car dealership that went under during the
Depression. I have a lot of multiples of parts that are no longer
recognizable as being automotive, yet very common in the day.

He had a junk car in the back yard that he said was very valuable, but
when he died, it got hauled off. Years later my mother saw the same type
vehicle in museum corner, and he was right!

Jeff




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:50 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"


On 2013-11-14, Rob H <Rob_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/s10lx

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

3025) Interesting device.

The combination of the rectangular openings in the brass sheet,
and the grooved brass or wood plate below it suggest to me a
device to hold type (I've used rubber type of various sizes
which matches to a grooved rubber holder, and this might be for
metal type instead.

The spacing is a bit wide for normal purposes, but perhaps for
setting some kind of puzzle answer it could work.

3026) My first thought on seeing the image (before I zoomed into it)
was one of horror, because it looked somewhat like a Curta
"peppermill" calculator which had been gutted.

However, looking tat it closer, it looks like some kind of spray
head which screws onto the end of a garden hose -- or onto a
pipe.

3027) That looks painful!

Perhaps intended to close on some kind of fruit to split it
apart.

3028) A device to jack two edges apart. Perhaps the right-hand end
goes against a wall and the left-hand edge goes against hardwood
floor to squeeze it tight against the previous one prior to
nailing it in place.

Or perhaps for compressing hand-set movable type?

3029) This looks like a high-voltage coil driven by a vibrator, and
switched on and off by a lock and key. Perhaps intended to make
a burglar's entry via windows too painful to be completed.

It would not be likely to be on the outside of a door to make
entry safe, because there appears to be nothing that the key
does which would latch the cover over the vibrator contact
adjustment to protect it from being disabled by something as
simple as putting a piece of paper or other insulating material
between the contacts.

3030) A pity. This number should be allocated to a specific rifle,
or a part for such a rifle. :-)

Anyway -- the crank turns a gear (visible as a disc with its rim
covered) which turns another pinion gear which engages the rack
gear in the edge of the bar.

The padded loop rests against the edge of something like
furniture, and the end with the hook looks designed to pull
nails -- or I guess that it could also be used to set the
triangular points in the frame of a window to hold the glass
pane in the frame prior to being sealed with putty.

I would like a different angle of view of the hook, but as I
said, it looks like it can pull nails.

Hmm ... at 16" length, it could also be for pulling the sides of
a frame (perhaps a picture frame, perhaps something else)
together during gluing, nailing, or screwing.

Now to post and see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 6:59 pm
From: Larry Jaques


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:44:48 -0800, "azotic" <H.Beal@network.com>
wrote:

>
>"BottleBob" <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:fae453d1-09b0-4374-a7f6-5c6f5ce68aa9@googlegroups.com...
>> All:
>>
>> I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge.
>> But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure
>> someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as
>> advertised.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> BottleBob
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>
>
>C.H.U.D.S. Don't need no stinken can opener.

'Splain your acronym, please, Tom.

And I have a P-51 on my keychain, JIC. I like it better than the tiny
P-38 they used in WWII, y'know, for my large and manly hands.

--
We are always the same age inside.
-- Gertrude Stein




== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 7:08 pm
From: "Stumpy"


>>
>>
>>C.H.U.D.S. Don't need no stinken can opener.
>
> 'Splain your acronym, please, Tom.
>

How did you miss a movie like that one? It's a classic.




== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 7:09 pm
From: "Stumpy"


>>>
>>>C.H.U.D.S. Don't need no stinken can opener.
>>
>> 'Splain your acronym, please, Tom.
>>
>
> How did you miss a movie like that one? It's a classic.
>

I forgot the link too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.H.U.D.





== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:20 pm
From: John B.


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:12:01 -0800 (PST), BottleBob
<bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:09:49 PM UTC-8, BottleBob wrote:
>> All:
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge. But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as advertised.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> BottleBob
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>
>>
>>
>> #83
>>
>> Theoretical speculations
>>
>> Biased interpretations
>>
>> Bogus evaluations
>>
>> Are all eliminated by experimentation
>
>Opps Sorry. It would help if I actually sent the forward, eh?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2NahLjx-Y#t=166


You have a lot of time to waste, don't you. Retired?
--
Cheers,

John B.




== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:32 pm
From: "azotic"



"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote in message
news:pd3b89dds1nv2ijl0cmkeeqp5msmtulimh@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:44:48 -0800, "azotic" <H.Beal@network.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"BottleBob" <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:fae453d1-09b0-4374-a7f6-5c6f5ce68aa9@googlegroups.com...
>>> All:
>>>
>>> I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge.
>>> But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure
>>> someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as
>>> advertised.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> BottleBob
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>
>>
>>C.H.U.D.S. Don't need no stinken can opener.
>
> 'Splain your acronym, please, Tom.
>
> And I have a P-51 on my keychain, JIC. I like it better than the tiny
> P-38 they used in WWII, y'know, for my large and manly hands.
>
> --
> We are always the same age inside.
> -- Gertrude Stein


It means Canibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller.


Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/





== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:38 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:20:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:12:01 -0800 (PST), BottleBob
>
> <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:09:49 PM UTC-8, BottleBob wrote:
>
> >> All:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge. But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as advertised.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> --
>
> >>
>
> >> BottleBob
>
> >>
>
> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> #83
>
> >>
>
> >> Theoretical speculations
>
> >>
>
> >> Biased interpretations
>
> >>
>
> >> Bogus evaluations
>
> >>
>
> >> Are all eliminated by experimentation
>
> >
>
> >Opps Sorry. It would help if I actually sent the forward, eh?
>
> >
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2NahLjx-Y#t=166
>
>
>
>
>
> You have a lot of time to waste, don't you. Retired?
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>

It's important to remember that with someone as talented as Bottlebob there is always something cooking.

Bottlebob formally worked for Gus Fring until his unexpected passing. He also spent time working for Vamonos Pest Control. Bottlebob is now a very busy consultant to Madrigal Electromotive GmbH as he has taken over all the responsibilities formally held by Lydia Rodarte-Quayle who recently passed away.

https://www.facebook.com/MadrigalElectromotive

"It is with great sadness that we say our goodbye to Senior Account Executive Lydia Rodarte-Quayle. In her career with Madrigal Electromotive GmbH Ms. Quayle used her international expertise and multilingual skills to expand our business network. She was instrumental in expanding the transportation network between the Southwestern United States and the former Eastern Bloc nations. Due to her diligent work the Houston office expanded by 200% during her tenure.

Unfortunately she contracted a virus believed to be H1N1 and passed away on Sunday September, 29th. She leaves a daughter, Kiira along with her favorite cat, Ozyman."















== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:42 pm
From: BottleBob


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:20:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:

> >Opps Sorry. It would help if I actually sent the forward, eh?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2NahLjx-Y#t=166
>
>
> You have a lot of time to waste, don't you. Retired?

John B:

Waste?? But, but, it's METALWORKING related. Isn't it? :)

Your supposition is absolutely correct, retired it is.

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

#70
The purpose of life, you see
Is only to increase entropy
Everything we are or become
Only speeds the FINAL equilibrium





== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:56 pm
From: Larry Jaques


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:32:56 -0800, "azotic" <H.Beal@network.com>
wrote:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote in message
>news:pd3b89dds1nv2ijl0cmkeeqp5msmtulimh@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:44:48 -0800, "azotic" <H.Beal@network.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"BottleBob" <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:fae453d1-09b0-4374-a7f6-5c6f5ce68aa9@googlegroups.com...
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge.
>>>> But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure
>>>> someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as
>>>> advertised.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> BottleBob
>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>>
>>>
>>>C.H.U.D.S. Don't need no stinken can opener.
>>
>> 'Splain your acronym, please, Tom.
>>
>> And I have a P-51 on my keychain, JIC. I like it better than the tiny
>> P-38 they used in WWII, y'know, for my large and manly hands.
>>
>> --
>> We are always the same age inside.
>> -- Gertrude Stein
>
>
>It means Canibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller.

<cringe> Oh, yes, I remember that movie. C horror.

--
We are always the same age inside.
-- Gertrude Stein




== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:14 pm
From: BottleBob


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:38:25 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:
> It's important to remember that with someone as talented as Bottlebob
> there is always something cooking.

Jon:

Nice double entendre there, with the use of the word "cooking". But any pharmaceutical cooking was done in a former life.

Although I have recently been interested in retaining brain plasticity. And to that end have been playing with a Rubik's cube for some weeks. I've narrowed it down to having to memorize just 6 algorithms. Which enables the cube to be routinely solved in ~4 minutes. Not contest winning time, but adequate for the average aging baby boomer.


--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

#57
Experience sustains
Our thinking brains
Life's pain
Is wisdom's gain




== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:44 pm
From: "PrecisionmachinisT"



"BottleBob" <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:24bdb4ee-c255-4ca9-9209-d40565a0c4f3@googlegroups.com...

> (I) have been playing with a Rubik's cube for some weeks.
> I've narrowed it down to having to memorize just 6 > algorithms.
> Which enables the cube to be routinely solved in ~4 minutes.

The ability to solve the same exact problem over and over again does not
seem a particularily valuable skill set to me regardless of the actual time
it takes but hey if it helps pass the time for you then so be it.

Thinking you ought to take a road trip...






== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:13 pm
From: BottleBob


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:44:04 PM UTC-8, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
> "BottleBob" <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> > (I) have been playing with a Rubik's cube for some weeks.
> > I've narrowed it down to having to memorize just 6 > algorithms.
> > Which enables the cube to be routinely solved in ~4 minutes.
>
> The ability to solve the same exact problem over and over again does not
> seem a particularily valuable skill set to me regardless of the actual time
> it takes but hey if it helps pass the time for you then so be it.

PM:

Correctomundo. I've alternated different algorithms to cut the solving time down. But now that it's pretty much standardized, it's lost it's appeal. I haven't even touched a Rubik's in like 3 days.

> Thinking you ought to take a road trip...

To the land of ice & snow??? I wonder what tire chains would do to fiberglass. :(

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

#12
Do we perceive what really exists
Or merely project our own inner myths
Is reality seen in the truth of vision
Or just the walls of your internal prison





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TOPIC: Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 7:10 pm
From: rbowman


Scout wrote:

> Yep, and in the old days you might measure printer speed in minutes per
> page.....Today they do the same thing in a fraction of the time and yet
> they basically depend on laying down a spot of something on a piece of
> paper.

Never ran into an old line printer, did you? They were doing 10 pages per
minute in the '50s. That was about 600 lines perminute on 66 line green bar.
By the late '60s, some were getting up to 2000 lpm. A bit noisy, but what
the hell. Some laser printer can do better but they aren't the ones you see
at Best Buy for the consumer market.

> Do you really think they can't figure out how to do this whole process
> quicker?

I'm sure they will make it quicker.

> Hey, maybe they can come up with a head for a 3D printer that has multiple
> orifices and they can simply print an entire band of material in a single
> pass?

They already have multiple extruder heads. If you limit the discussion to
plastic parts, virtually all 3D printers are using thermoplastics. There are
some people playing with thermosets, but that has its technical challenges.

So, look around at some small, thermoplastic part, the caps on your keyboard
for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVTgGKGjWDs

I don't know exactly what they're making, but they're making 96 of them in
7.3 seconds.

If you just wanted a few parts, a 3D printer would be a lot less expensive,
but as soon as you start talking about high volume consumer products it will
be a very expensive way to go. So, what you need is a consumer product that
doesn't require enough volume to make it efficiently.

It's sort of like MIM. People bitch about it but many small internal firearm
parts are MIM today. The process fills an economic niche. Particularly with
the more expensive alloys a subtractive process leave a lot of the alloy for
the sweeper. MIM can also do complex or delicate shapes.

I see 3D printing, as it matures, filling a similar niche. What I don't see
is a 3D printer sitting on the kitchen counter churning out coffee cups on
demand.

Years ago before styrofoam became a dirty word, the company I worked for
manufactured the clamshell containers for McDonalds. Shipping costs added a
lot because the things were basically air (or Freon which was what killed
the product). Crystal styrene and freon is compact, and an individual McD's
isn't going to use that much. A little molding machine out by the trash cans
could whip out clamshells for the daily demand. It was an interesting idea
but it didn't survive econoic analysis.












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TOPIC: electronic ignitor
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/822ec753cf872c81?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 7:22 pm
From: donniebaldridge@gmail.com


On Sunday, April 10, 2011 5:23:06 PM UTC-5, Karl Townsend wrote:
> My Northern Tool hot pressure washer quit doing hot water...
>
> So, I followed the manual and determined the electronic ignitor died.
> Then I called Northern and was told my 12 year old unit doesn't have a
> supported parts list but this one may work. So, I ordered it. Got the
> part today. It won't work. I'm starting to think I'm FUBAR.
>
> Here's a description off the ignitor:
>
> Electronic Ignitor
> SEM AB AMAL SWEDEN
> Type TH3/320-04
> Art. No. 826 020 61
> Prim. 230 VAC 50-60Hz 70 VA
> Sec. 12kV ?4 mA RMS (the ? looks most like a 3 maybe)
> Continuous operation
>
> Any chance of finding or making something that will work? I just got
> sticker shock, new pressure washers are over $2K.
>
> Karl

I am commenting a couple of years after the fact for anyone who is researching the same issue. After quite some time looking, I finally settled on Allaston 2280-U from PexSupply. Be here in a couple of days, so still unproven whether it is truly "universal" or not. Good luck.





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TOPIC: The rich pay less taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 7:36 pm
From: Daryl


On 11/14/2013 6:48 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 4:57 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 11/14/2013 5:19 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2013 4:15 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2013 5:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2013 1:06 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage interest
>>>>>>>>>> deduction
>>>>>>>>>> would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright and get no
>>>>>>>>>> deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus when you sell
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> old homestead, the first quarter million of capital gains (half
>>>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>>>> if you're married) is exempt from taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After all, Reagan's
>>>>>>>> Trickle Down economic theory dictates that the wealthier the rich
>>>>>>>> get,
>>>>>>>> the more jobs await us, trickling down to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained economic
>>>>>>> growth in
>>>>>>> US history......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. There is no "trickle up."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there is no Trickle Down either.
>>>
>>> No one said there was.
>>>
>>> Reagan's goal was to let people who earned the money keep it.
>>>
>>
>> YEs, that does sound good if Trickle Down worked.
>
> No, it sounds good as a matter of basic ethics. People deserve to keep
> what they earn. Redistribution is morally wrong.
>
I agree. The Execs should receive 20 times what the guy on the line makes.

Let's see. 20*45,000=900,000 would be acceptable. Not 6.5 Million.
And using Walmart for this example is wrong. 9.00*8*5*52*20=374,400
would be correct. This would include all stocks, bonds, pay, and other
compensations. Not 6.5 Million.

And the CEO isn't the major stockholders. The Major Stockholders are
the Walton Kids and Grandkids. Three of the top 20 richest in the world
are from that family alone.

Most CEOs are junior stockholders only in comparison to the real major
stockholders. They may be part of the Board Meeting but in no way are
they part of the voting when you figure in the voting shares the major
stockholders have.

I don't fault the Stockholders. It's their investment that keeps things
going. But the CEO should NEVER receive such a ridiculous amount.






== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:21 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 7:36 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 6:48 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/14/2013 4:57 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2013 5:19 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2013 4:15 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2013 5:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/14/2013 1:06 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage interest
>>>>>>>>>>> deduction
>>>>>>>>>>> would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright and get no
>>>>>>>>>>> deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus when you sell
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> old homestead, the first quarter million of capital gains (half
>>>>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>>>>> if you're married) is exempt from taxes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After all,
>>>>>>>>> Reagan's
>>>>>>>>> Trickle Down economic theory dictates that the wealthier the rich
>>>>>>>>> get,
>>>>>>>>> the more jobs await us, trickling down to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained economic
>>>>>>>> growth in
>>>>>>>> US history......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. There is no "trickle up."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And there is no Trickle Down either.
>>>>
>>>> No one said there was.
>>>>
>>>> Reagan's goal was to let people who earned the money keep it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> YEs, that does sound good if Trickle Down worked.
>>
>> No, it sounds good as a matter of basic ethics. People deserve to keep
>> what they earn. Redistribution is morally wrong.
>>
> I agree.

Then you're done.





== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:37 pm
From: Daryl


On 11/14/2013 11:21 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 7:36 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 11/14/2013 6:48 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2013 4:57 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2013 5:19 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2013 4:15 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/14/2013 5:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/14/2013 1:06 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage interest
>>>>>>>>>>>> deduction
>>>>>>>>>>>> would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright and get no
>>>>>>>>>>>> deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus when you
>>>>>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> old homestead, the first quarter million of capital gains (half
>>>>>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>>>>>> if you're married) is exempt from taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After all,
>>>>>>>>>> Reagan's
>>>>>>>>>> Trickle Down economic theory dictates that the wealthier the rich
>>>>>>>>>> get,
>>>>>>>>>> the more jobs await us, trickling down to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained economic
>>>>>>>>> growth in
>>>>>>>>> US history......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. There is no "trickle up."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And there is no Trickle Down either.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one said there was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reagan's goal was to let people who earned the money keep it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YEs, that does sound good if Trickle Down worked.
>>>
>>> No, it sounds good as a matter of basic ethics. People deserve to keep
>>> what they earn. Redistribution is morally wrong.
>>>
>> I agree.
>
> Then you're done.
>

Nice edit. Shows just how trustworthy you are.

Stick a fork in you, You're done.







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TOPIC: On topic- Bob Dylan
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/86300e03fe2d8aa8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:25 pm
From: guillemd53228@gmail.com


On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:04:00 AM UTC-6, axolotl wrote:
> <http://gizmodo.com/hey-did-you-know-bob-dylan-is-a-steampunk-metalworker-1462363371>
>
>
>
> Kevin Gallimore

His stick welding is pitiful. He's stuck on Desolation rods.




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:55 pm
From: Larry Jaques


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:25:00 -0800 (PST), guillemd53228@gmail.com
wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:04:00 AM UTC-6, axolotl wrote:
>> <http://gizmodo.com/hey-did-you-know-bob-dylan-is-a-steampunk-metalworker-1462363371>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin Gallimore
>
>His stick welding is pitiful. He's stuck on Desolation rods.

All I saw was a silly MIG stinger in his hand. Real men TIG. ;)


P.S: He still has really BAD HAIR.

--
We are always the same age inside.
-- Gertrude Stein





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TOPIC: It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:27 pm
From: John B.


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:43:03 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>
wrote:

>
>
>Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Australia at more than double the US minimum wage
>>
>> Sorry:
>>
>> Australian wage rates:
>>
>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>>
>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>>
>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>
>yes it is.
>
>The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
>in the US is $4.25
>

there seems to be a crack in your logic. The guy says "The minimum
wage in Australia isn't what you claim."

You reply "yes it is. The starting federal minimum wage for under 20
age group in the US is $4.25"

Seems like apples and apples doesn't apply to wages.
--
Cheers,

John B.





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TOPIC: England vs Obama
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:30 pm
From: "PrecisionmachinisT"



"Jeff M" <NoSpam@NoThanks.org> wrote in message
news:CKudnUGHmowTZBnPnZ2dnUVZ_vWXnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 11/13/2013 10:32 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>> "jon_banquer" <jonbanquer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:f3cfc701-36b2-4dec-858b-3752f399a402@googlegroups.com...
>>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:17:01 PM UTC-8, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cute. I like it. Saved it. Yet another evasion of the question. That's
>>>>
>>>> three times now. As much as I don't like the idea, I'm starting to
>>>>
>>>> think I might have to believe Gunner on this one.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to think you have a lot in common with Mark Wieber,
>>> Winston.
>>>
>>
>> I think they both must have suffered a serious head injury at some point
>> in
>> their lives.
>
> Traumatic brain injuries usually cause cognitive, but not moral,
> impairments.
>

Probably true, but cognitive impairments are oftentimes present where a
person's morality has significantly degraded over time.






== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:33 pm
From: "PrecisionmachinisT"



"Klaus Schadenfreude" <KlausSchadenfreude@gmx.com> wrote in message
news:c0d889t6f8i4vep669n59l7i18vr0b79st@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:18:41 -0700, deep wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:38:43 -0700, Winston_Smith
>><invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>
>>>It matters not whether the Republicans fought it, that's just your
>>>mis-direction. The executive - Obama's executive - wrote the working
>>>rules and regulations.
>>
>>Nonsense. Maybe you should figure out what you are talking about
>>first before you go on.
>
> That's never stopped you before, has it?

Obviously, it's never stopped you...







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TOPIC: Can a Fetus be killed but NOT be married?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2b624b4ab616239?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 8:47 pm
From: Olrik


Le 2013-11-14 08:36, Don Kresch a écrit :

<snip>

>> False.
>
> You should be aware that Olrik is a piss-poor troll with a
> hard-on for me ever since I intellectually destroyed it some years
> ago. It's a sad, pathetic attempt at a lifeform, and not worth your
> bother.

BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

«Kresch» killfiled me years ago because he can't defend his positions,
beliefs and ideas.

«Kresch» is, sadly, an emotionally stunted individual. He likes to spout
that he's «Austrian», that he's an «anarcho-capitalist» and that nobody
but him knows «econ».

In the end, though, he's just a pathetic label-shouting, tax-paying dullard.

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division





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TOPIC: Pussy Riot's Nadya is being taught not to mess with Putin - In Siberia.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/980bebb9030a0f7b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:46 pm
From: "Rob St. John"


Nadezhda (Nadya) Tolokonnikova, the Russian artist and activist
who leads the provocatively named punk rock band Pussy Riot, was
thrown into a car by Russian prison authorities three weeks ago,
according to Amnesty International.

After an international campaign, including an Amnesty
International petition, the office of the Russian ombudsman now
says that authorities have confirmed suspicions that she is on
her way to a prison camp in Siberia, thousands of miles away
from her husband and her small daughter, with an Orwellian claim
that the move aims to "promote her resocialization."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/13/opinion/ghitis-nadya-pussy-riot-
missing/






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TOPIC: Tom Gardner still here?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 12:47 am
From: Karl Townsend


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:27:23 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>Are you still making brushes?
>I have a question about them.
>
>Lloyd

Na, he gave up and sent all the manufacturing to China.
<ducking and running>

I'm sure he'll be along shortly.

karl





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