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* It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare - 21 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
* Great line from Thomas Sowell about race hustlers - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e573bd49ea2e7b2d?hl=en
* England vs Obama - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
* Tom Gardner still here? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en

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TOPIC: It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:36 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:43:03 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:




> The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
>
> in the US is $4.25
>
>
But only good for 90 days. So your claim is a lie by omission.

Dan




== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:36 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 6:36 AM, jim lied:
>
>
> "dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:17:48 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
>>>
>>> Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
>> No, I am not. The reasons are simple. If you can not figure them out by yourself, you are not likely to understand when someone tries to explain it to you.
>>
>> Hint: What determines the unemployment rate?
>>
>
> According to you a higher minimum wage increases the
> unemployment rate.

That's not what he said.



> But you can't explain why the evidence contradicts your belief.

The evidence does not contradict his statement.





== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:39 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 9:36 AM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:43:03 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
>>
>> in the US is $4.25
>>
>>
> But only good for 90 days. So your claim is a lie by omission.

Exactly. There are other restrictions as well.

A minimum wage of not less than $4.25 may be paid to employees
under the age of 20 for their first 90 consecutive calendar days
of employment with any employer as long as their work does not
displace other workers.
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/docs/ymwplink.asp


So, an employer may not keep cycling through teenagers every 90 days in
order to avoid paying the full federal minimum wage.

jim always lies.




== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:42 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:42:58 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:

>
> You keep dancing and dancing but you can't explain why
>
> your prediction that higher minimum wage produces
>
> higher unemployment does not show up in the data.

If you had a clue, I would bother to explain. But it is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that you have no clues.


Dan





== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 9:59 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 9:42 AM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:42:58 AM UTC-5, jim lied:
>
>>
>> You keep dancing and dancing but you can't explain why
>>
>> your prediction that higher minimum wage produces
>>
>> higher unemployment does not show up in the data.
>
> If you had a clue, I would bother to explain. But it is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that you have no clues.

It's worse than that. He is actively lying.





== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:21 am
From: "PrecisionmachinisT" <123machinist@notmail.com>



<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message news:0d6724f1-ccbd-46a4-b247-b75335f6c40c@googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:39:28 AM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:


> > Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum
>
> > wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South
>
> > Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>
>

> Slight correction. The Federal minimum wage applies in all states and to most jobs.

<snip>

The fact remains, the statistics easily dispel any notion that lowering the minimum wage increases employment.

That said, comparing the top ten minimum wage paying states with their respective unemployment rates is only a slightly more comepelling arguement where it concerns attempting to support a claim that raising the minimum wage will increase employment....I'm not going to run the numbers again but if recall correctly it comes out to be very close to a 50/50 split which suggests that in reality, little or no direct causal relationship exists.

In other words, high unemployment is the result of multiple factors of which the minimum wage threshold probably plays but a relatively minor role.




== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:32 am
From: Delvin Benet


On 11/14/2013 10:21 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
> <dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message news:0d6724f1-ccbd-46a4-b247-b75335f6c40c@googlegroups.com...
> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:39:28 AM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
>
>>> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum
>>
>>> wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South
>>
>>> Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>>
>>
>
>> Slight correction. The Federal minimum wage applies in all states and to most jobs.
>
> <snip>
>
> The fact remains, the statistics easily dispel any notion that lowering the minimum wage increases employment.

Nope. The statistics show that *any* effective minimum wage reduces
employment, and that eliminating it - either outright or by letting it
fall below the market clearing wage rate - increases employment.





== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:06 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




"dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>
> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:43:03 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
> >
> > in the US is $4.25
> >
> >
> But only good for 90 days. So your claim is a lie by omission.
>

Apparently, the meaning of the word "starting" is
beyond you.

Most of the teenage workers are summer jobs that only
last 90 days. The unemployment rate for summer jobs age
16-19 in the US last summer was 33%. It could have been
as high as 65% but most of that age group didn't even try
looking for work.

Youth unemployment is not nearly as bad in Australia
despite the fact that the minimum wage for someone
age 17 in Australia is more than twice what it
is in the US.

But
For some reason you can't explain why the
real world doesn't work the way you said it should.




== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:09 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> On 11/14/2013 6:36 AM, jim lied:
> >
> >
> > "dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:17:48 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
> >>>
> >>> Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
> >> No, I am not. The reasons are simple. If you can not figure them out by yourself, you are not likely to understand when someone tries to explain it to you.
> >>
> >> Hint: What determines the unemployment rate?
> >>
> >
> > According to you a higher minimum wage increases the
> > unemployment rate.
>
> That's not what he said.
>
>

If it is not what he claimed then how come
he replied he could explain it if he wanted to.

Ha Ha Ha was he lying?




== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:23 am
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:10:56 AM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:

"At pretty much no cost."

At a huge cost.

"A large portion of the minimum wage jobs are held by people that have just started working."

Not the majority.

Minimum wage needs to be raised to $12 an hour in California today. Not $10 an hour in 2016:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/25/us-usa-california-minimumwage-idUSBRE98O0U920130925




== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:24 am
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:36:04 AM UTC-8, jim wrote:
> "dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:17:48 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
>
> > >
>
> > > have higher minimum wage and yet have lower unemployment rates?
>
> >
>
> > No, I am not. The reasons are simple. If you can not figure them out by yourself, you are not likely to understand when someone tries to explain it to you.
>
> >
>
> > Hint: What determines the unemployment rate?
>
> >
>
>
>
> According to you a higher minimum wage increases the
>
> unemployment rate. But you can't explain why the
>
> evidence contradicts your belief.

This is nothing new.

When pressed he never can explain most of the absolute bullshit he posts.




== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:25 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 11:06 AM, jim lied:
>
>
> "dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:43:03 AM UTC-5, jim lied:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
>>>
>>> in the US is $4.25
>>>
>>>
>> But only good for 90 days. So your claim is a lie by omission.
>>
>
> Apparently, the meaning of the word "starting" is
> beyond you.

Apparently telling the whole story in the first place is beyond you.





== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:26 am
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:38:46 AM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet wrote:

> Nope - no dancing. You lied, that's all. You lied about both the
>
> Australian and the US minimum wages.

Nothing but dancing and lots of lies from sock puppet "Rudy Canoza".




== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:27 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 11:09 AM, jim lied:
>
>
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>> On 11/14/2013 6:36 AM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:17:48 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
>>>> No, I am not. The reasons are simple. If you can not figure them out by yourself, you are not likely to understand when someone tries to explain it to you.
>>>>
>>>> Hint: What determines the unemployment rate?
>>>>
>>>
>>> According to you a higher minimum wage increases the
>>> unemployment rate.
>>
>> That's not what he said.
>>
>>
>
> If it is not what he claimed

Cite.

The claim, repeatedly verified, is that an effective minimum wage
reduces employment.





== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:28 am
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:31:50 AM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:36:04 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > According to you a higher minimum wage increases the
>
> >
>
> > unemployment rate. But you can't explain why the
>
> >
>
> > evidence contradicts your belief.
>
>
>
> Easy to explain, but pointless to explain to those that can not think.
>
>
>
> Dan

You can't think and you have shown this on a frequent basis when it comes to home shop machining, figuring out what iggy is, etc. This topic is no different.




== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:30 am
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:42:00 AM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:42:58 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > You keep dancing and dancing but you can't explain why
>
> >
>
> > your prediction that higher minimum wage produces
>
> >
>
> > higher unemployment does not show up in the data.
>
>
>
> If you had a clue, I would bother to explain. But it is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that you have no clues.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dan

No clues is someone who claims that a knee mill is not common in a home shop.

No clues is someone who fills up their garage with crap and then claims he has no room for a knee mill in his basement.

You want to see no clues... look in the mirror.







== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:32 am
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:32:31 AM UTC-8, Delvin Benet sock puppet wrote:

<Snip>

Sock puppet bullshit snipped.




== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 12:09 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:21:26 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:


> The fact remains, the statistics easily dispel any notion that lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
>
>
.I'm not going to run the numbers again but if recall correctly it comes out to be very close to a 50/50 split which suggests that in reality, little or no direct causal relationship exists.
>
>
>
> In other words, high unemployment is the result of multiple factors of which the minimum wage threshold probably plays but a relatively minor role.

I agree with you. In general the minimum wage is usually not high enough to have much effect. Not much effect on unemployment, but also not much effect on what people get paid. My friend in Washington State could not find anyone to do yard work for $10 an hour.

Dan





== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 12:13 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:06:18 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:

>
> But
>
> For some reason you can't explain why the
>
> real world doesn't work the way you said it should.

There is little benefit in wrestling with pigs. You got dirty and the pig enjoys the tussle.

Dan





== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 12:17 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:30:59 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>
> No clues is someone who claims that a knee mill is not common in a home shop.
>
>
>
> No clues is someone who fills up their garage with crap and then claims he has no room for a knee mill in his basement.
>
>
>
> You want to see no clues... look in the mirror.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

Dan





== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 12:20 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:28:48 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>


> You can't think and you have shown this on a frequent basis when it comes to home shop machining, figuring out what iggy is, etc. This topic is no different.

All this from someone who has no home shop in which to do machining.

Dan






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TOPIC: Great line from Thomas Sowell about race hustlers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e573bd49ea2e7b2d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:30 am
From: F. George McDuffee


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:36:04 -0800, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>"You don't hear about racial "leaders" such as Al Sharpton and Jesse
>Jackson among Asians or Asian-Americans. Here and there, you may see
>some irresponsible academics peddling that line in the classroom — some
>of whom are of Asian ancestry, since no race of human beings is
>completely lacking in fools."
>
>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/22/sowell-the-race-hustlers-among-us/#ixzz2kUjMwvRH


Hows the weather in BC Art? Snowing yet?




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 10:33 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 10:30 AM, F. George McDumpster blabbered as Alzheimer's
patient tend to blabber:

> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:36:04 -0800, Rudy Canoza
> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
>> "You don't hear about racial "leaders" such as Al Sharpton and Jesse
>> Jackson among Asians or Asian-Americans. Here and there, you may see
>> some irresponsible academics peddling that line in the classroom — some
>> of whom are of Asian ancestry, since no race of human beings is
>> completely lacking in fools."
>>
>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/22/sowell-the-race-hustlers-among-us/#ixzz2kUjMwvRH
>
>
> Hows the weather in BC Art? Snowing yet?

Who's 'Art'? Friend of yours?





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TOPIC: England vs Obama
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:15 am
From: "PrecisionmachinisT" <123machinist@notmail.com>



"gonjah" <jthread@toast.net> wrote in message news:l62d06$420$2@dont-email.me...
> On 11/13/2013 5:56 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 3:55 PM, deep wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:52:46 -0800, Rudy Canoza
>>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2013 3:04 PM, deep wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:50:31 -0800, Rudy Canoza
>>>>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/13/2013 2:13 PM, deep wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:22:53 -0800, Rudy Canoza
>>>>>>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She was a great leader who prevented the UK from sinking into third
>>>>>> world living conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>> No she didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, she did.
>>>
>>> What,
>>
>> You heard me: yes, she did.
>>
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/alltherage/images/2007/09/19/cats_fighting_102006_5.jpg
>

http://thesaurus.com/browse/divination

--




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:16 am
From: jon_banquer


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:43:40 AM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet wrote:
> On 11/13/2013 4:10 PM, deep wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:59:09 -0700, Winston_Smith
>
> > <invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >>
>
> >> Unless it says we really can keep our insurance if we like it, it's
>
> >> not worth the click. Even Clinton says he has to find a way to keep
>
> >> his promise. Doubt if he will. Be sure to post if he does.
>
> >
>
> > That's not Obama's fault. It's the insurance companies. Obama is not
>
> > dropping insured. The insurance companies are. Obama thought the
>
> > law fixed insurance companies dropping high risk patients. He was
>
> > mistaken.
>
>
>
> It was his fucking law, you shit-4-braincell. He *knew* policyholders
>
> were going to get canceled. He's lying when he says he didn't know.
>
>
>
> Health care is not a right.

Heath care is a right.





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TOPIC: Tom Gardner still here?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 14 2013 11:27 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"


Are you still making brushes?
I have a question about them.

Lloyd




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