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* Culture of dependency II - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8de4238642414c7c?hl=en
* Higher Minimum Wage equals MORE jobs - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/cd4f04c4f66ff67d?hl=en
* This may explain our trolls... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c4893621981810b?hl=en
* The rich pay less taxes - 17 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
* Public vs private schools - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/67ae2e4532bfba49?hl=en
* CLUE! *When You Defend Phil Robertson, Here's What You're Really Defending* -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7599cdf94dcb61b2?hl=en
* Leftists misidentify the political center - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1d9651b68fe82db0?hl=en
* Intersting article on hiring, and trying to fill jobs - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d747f1bb77fa155e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Culture of dependency II
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8de4238642414c7c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 7:38 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 7:20 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in
> news:e6645$52bcdf1a$414e828e$20973@EVERESTKC.NET:
>
>> On 12/26/2013 5:52 PM, Siri Cruz wrote:
>>> In article <3ab7b$52bcd700$414e828e$18452@EVERESTKC.NET>,
>>>> Leftists created and sustain the culture of dependency.
>>>
>>> But according to you it's conservative who are the dependents.
>>
>> Mostly it's the clients of leftists who are dependents.
>>
>> I don't think SSI-swigging hillbillies in Appalachia have much
>> political consciousness.
>
> Actually they pretty much vote Repug/conservative.

Actually you don't have any fucking clue how they vote. Actually you're
a bullshitting left-wing extremist cocksucker.


>> Regardless of what political consciousness
>> they might have, they are dependents, and leftists made them that way.
>> As we have seen, once a culture of dependency takes hold, it's self
>> sustaining. It's a bad thing.
>>
> And your fix is to kill them off.

No, my fix is to break the cycle of dependency.

Stop pretending you have any sympathy for Appalachian dole scroungers.
It's obvious you don't.






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TOPIC: Higher Minimum Wage equals MORE jobs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/cd4f04c4f66ff67d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 7:40 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 7:22 PM, Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:

> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in
> news:32459$52bcdf42$414e828e$20973@EVERESTKC.NET:
>
>>
>>
>> We're talking about government sticking with its legitimate ethical
>> purposes. Minimum wage isn't one.
>>
> What's unethical about making sure your people are not enslaved or taken
> advantage of?

That's not what minimum wage does or is intended to do. Cut the
bullshit, boy - you don't have a prayer when it comes to selling that shit.


> --------------------------------------------------------
> Free Malware - Bugster Virusworks www.buggycode.com
> --------------------------------------------------------






== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 7:47 pm
From: First-Post


On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 20:35:43 -0600, The Daring Dufas
<the-daring-dufas@stinky-finger.net> wrote:

>On 12/26/2013 2:29 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 12/26/2013 12:21 PM, Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:
>>> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in
>>> news:58407$52bc8397$414e828e$29590@EVERESTKC.NET:
>>>
>>>> The NY Times not only endorses a minimum wage (which destroys
>>>> employment) of $15 or higher, but actively advocates the federal
>>>> government side with labor against employers.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/12/opinion/redefining-the-minimum-wage.h
>>>> tml
>>>>
>>> -----------
>>> All of which makes $15 an hour sound too high. Hardly. Over the last
>>> half-century, American workers have achieved productivity gains that can
>>> easily support a $15-an-hour minimum wage.
>>
>> Unskilled minimum wage earners haven't had any such productivity increases.
>>
>Who are these psychotic nut jobs who have no idea of the concept of what
>a minimum wage job is and that it has never been meant to be a career
>but a stepping stone to something better. Someone could move up from the
>minimum wage job into management with the same company or get an
>education from a college or trade school which would allow them to leave
>any minimum wage job behind them. There are a myriad of job and
>educational programs to help those with a desire to move up the income
>ladder unless the person is a complete slacker, drunk or drug addict.
>I talked to a 20 year old about getting into a jobs program and he said
>he couldn't because the program required applicants to pass a urine drug
>screen test. He won't give up smoking dope to get a frigging job! I come
>across kids like that all the time and wonder WTF is wrong with their
>brains?! My blood pressure is going up so I must stop my rant. o_O
>
>TDD

All of the bullshit "living wage" crap put out there by the OWS
deadbeats is what they want to hear therefore it is what they CHOOSE
to believe.
I've had high school grads come into my office applying for jobs and
based their wage requirements on what they thought they needed to pay
for everything they wanted.
One idiot told me that he had to get at least $17 an hour because he
had a brand new Jeep Wagoneer to pay for and that was in 98.
Snot nosed kid had only graduated from high school a couple of months
earlier. And he got very indignant when he was told he was only worth
$9 an hour with his lack of any experience and that was being
generous.

It would be nice if we could all go apply for a job and name whatever
salary we wanted in order to pay for everything we wanted but it just
don't work that way and never will.

But as I've stated many times before. Let 'em have their $15 an hour
for flipping burgers. It'll make more folks actually go back to
preparing meals at home instead of running to McD's for damn near
every meal.
Wonder how many of the liberal proponents that are so vociferous about
more than doubling the minimum wage will support their comrades by
continuing to go to places like McD's and pay sky high prices for
their junk.
Hell I stopped going to burger joints when a lousy sausage and egg on
a biscuit went up to over $3 an hour after the last minimum wage hike.
It's $3.79 right now. I can make three of the same thing at home for
that. Same goes for most other items on the fast food boards these
days.
A couple of chains have already closed several of their stores here
becuase they couldn't afford the last 27% increase on the minimum
wage. And folks think that a 106% increase won't have a negative
effect on that business? They can dream on.





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TOPIC: This may explain our trolls...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c4893621981810b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 7:44 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 6:31 PM, rbowman wrote:
> Winston_Smith wrote:
>
>> Tsk, tsk, a man with a science background yet. Speed IS a rate.
>> </detail nazi>
>>
>
> Yeah, and if I'm not very careful I say 'nucular' too. Years of bad examples
> wear you down. Irregardless, I don't say irregardless, although my
> prepositions sometimes slide to the end of a sentence if I can't figure out
> a better order to put the words in.

...a better order in which to put the words.

...a better word order.

What's the matter with those?






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TOPIC: The rich pay less taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 7:51 pm
From: Gronk


RD Sandman wrote:
> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
> news:l9cjvo$odu$16@news.mixmin.net:
>
>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l91ujr$95f$1
>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>
>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> news:l8l7le$vjd$2@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/8/2013 5:00 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2013 9:57 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> bandersnatch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2013 2:14 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:enne89dqv91dk6vomm9ar1d18627k9fm3u@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:00 -0600, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and get no deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old homestead, the first quarter million of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital gains (half million if you're married) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exempt from taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After
>>> all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagan's Trickle Down economic theory dictates that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wealthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich get, the more jobs await us, trickling down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic growth in US history......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-
>>> myst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ery-of-i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nc ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it fell off from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 to 2003 when it started climbing again reaching a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peak in 2007 when the recession come into play.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And 2007 was the year Democrats took both houses of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Congress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and not suprisingly no liberals are making any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments
>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the trend started under Reagan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who sent the Dow on a 20 year tear, love it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the GOP had the House in 1995 when the
>>>>>>>>>>>> inequities skyrocketed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh boo fucking hoo, did you fail to make any money, dumbass?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that no GOPers are making any comments on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anything to fuck with YOUR head!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you admit that Reagan lied about "a rising tide lifts all
>>>>>>>>>> boats".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you still draw breath?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are you unable to understand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-of
>>>>>> -
>>> inc
>>>>>> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that the biggest climb occured during Clinton's term
>>>>> from 1994 to when Shrub became president in 2009.....then the
>>>>> second
>>> biggest
>>>>> climb came during Shrub's second term and continued to 2008 when
>>>>> Obama took office.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not blaming anyone just pointing out a couple significant timings
>>>>> in
>>> the
>>>>> chart. ;)
>>>>
>>>> And 1994 is when the GOP took over. Just sayin'
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, but for those of you who wish to place a lot of blame on Bush
>>> because he was president during certain times, have to eat that same
>>> meal when Clinton or Obama are president.
>>>
>>
>> Not really since Reagan started the ball rolling. It appears to be
>> hard to halt or reverse.
>>
>
> Just appears to me that some people wish to blame the other side no
> matter what. If people claim that Bush is responsible simply because he
> was president when the problem was there, then why doesn't that same
> logic appear when Obama (for example) is president?

When the GOP says their highest priority is making sure Obama is a one
term president, it means they're willing to take the country down doing
it.




== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:04 pm
From: Gronk


RD Sandman wrote:
> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
> news:l9ck51$odu$17@news.mixmin.net:
>
>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l9224u$dbi$1
>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>
>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l8l8hl$18v$1
>>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:l8317o$ge5$3@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2013 9:57 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> bandersnatch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2013 2:14 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:enne89dqv91dk6vomm9ar1d18627k9fm3u@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:00 -0600, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you sell the old homestead, the first quarter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million of capital gains (half million if you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> married) is exempt from taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After
>>> all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagan's Trickle Down economic theory dictates that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wealthier the rich get, the more jobs await us,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trickling down to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic growth in US history......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity
>>> grew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-
>>>>> myster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y-of-i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nc ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened
>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it fell off from 2000 to 2003 when it started climbing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again reaching a peak in 2007 when the recession come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into play.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And 2007 was the year Democrats took both houses of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Congress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and not suprisingly no liberals are making any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments
>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the trend started under Reagan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who sent the Dow on a 20 year tear, love it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the GOP had the House in 1995 when the
>>>>> inequities
>>>>>>>>>>>> skyrocketed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh boo fucking hoo, did you fail to make any money, dumbass?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that no GOPers are making any comments on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anything to fuck with YOUR head!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you admit that Reagan lied about "a rising tide lifts all
>>>>> boats".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you still draw breath?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are you unable to understand this chart?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-
>>> of-
>>>>> inc
>>>>>>>> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, see that massive increase in real income for the rich folks
>>>>> during
>>>>>>> Clinton's Administration? Why was that? Then a drop off during
>>> Bush's
>>>>>>> first term and another steep rise during his second one. Them
>>>>>>> the recession hit and not much of a real change since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, see where the GOP took Congress?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep....94. See where the Democrats took Congress?
>>>>
>>>> 94 is when the GOP took the House...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know and acknowledged that. Then I asked if you knew when the
>>> Democrats took Congress. It was the 2006 elections. Look at the
>>> chart for 2007 and 2008. Hint: It is the second bump. Then it
>>> falls off in 2008-2009.
>>
>> Look closer. It went down in 2007. Line the chart up with the
>> edge of your screen.
>>
>> http://b-i.forbesimg.com/louiswoodhill/files/2013/03/Income-Inequality-
>> Chart-032713.jpg
>
> I did. In 2007 it is still rising. As I said, it falls off in 2008-
> 2009.

When the democrats had the house AND the Senate. The Senate was a tie, but
the independents voted with the democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses







== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:05 pm
From: Gronk


RD Sandman wrote:
> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l9ck70$odu$18
> @news.mixmin.net:
>
>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l92261$dbi$2
>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>
>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l8l8jo$18v$2
>>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:l8318q$ge5$4@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:l7l500$bh1$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l75ncb$kiv$1
>>>>>>>>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:enne89dqv91dk6vomm9ar1d18627k9fm3u@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:00 -0600, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright
> and
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus
> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old homestead, the first quarter million of
> capital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains (half million if you're married) is exempt from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After
>>> all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagan's Trickle Down economic theory dictates that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wealthier the rich get, the more jobs await us,
> trickling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic growth in US history......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity
>>> grew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-
>>>>> myster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y-
>>>>>>>>>>> of-i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nc ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened
>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000. Then
> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fell off
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 to 2003 when it started climbing again reaching a
> peak
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 when the recession come into play.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And 2007 was the year Democrats took both houses of
> Congress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and not suprisingly no liberals are making any comments
>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the trend started under Reagan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the GOP had the House in 1995 when the
>>>>> inequities
>>>>>>>>>>>> skyrocketed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that no GOPers are making any comments on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually what is interesting is that deregulation took place
>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> 1980 to 1999.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This has what to do with the earlier claim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It isn't simply a Republican problem like you seem to intimate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then why do the facts implicate them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-
>>> of-
>>>>> inc
>>>>>>>> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sure looks like Clinton was complicite in that. After all he
> had
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sign those bills. Have you really looked at the timing of those
>>>>>>> increases? I broke it down for you in a previous post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sure looks like Reagan and Bush were comlicit, doesn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> As was Clinton.
>>>>
>>>> Not when a false impeachment hamstrings him
>>>>
>>>
>>> IOW, it is so much easier to blame Bush for everything. Gotcha'
>>
>> IOW, it is so much easier for GOPers to evade responsibility.
>
> Why do you think that is? Do you think that the Washington Post, the New
> York Times, the Chicago Tribune, the Miami Herald or the LA Times are all
> conservative media?

Has Bush apologised for the Iraq War yet?






== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:07 pm
From: Gronk


RD Sandman wrote:
> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l9ck83$odu$19
> @news.mixmin.net:
>
>> prime cut wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2013 11:27 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>> It sure looks like Reagan and Bush were comlicit, doesn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> As was Clinton.
>>>>
>>>> Not when a false impeachment hamstrings him
>>>
>>>
>>> He lied to Congress and was disbarred, cope.
>>
>> Acquitted. Cope.
>>
>
> You are both correct. He lied to Congress, he ended up disbarred and the
> Senate acquitted him from impeachment procedings.
>

And is the most popular president ever.




== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:11 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 8:05 PM, Gronk wrote:
> RD Sandman wrote:
>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l9ck70$odu$18
>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>
>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l92261$dbi$2
>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>
>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l8l8jo$18v$2
>>>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:l8318q$ge5$4@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:l7l500$bh1$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l75ncb$kiv$1
>>>>>>>>>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:enne89dqv91dk6vomm9ar1d18627k9fm3u@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:00 -0600, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright
>> and
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus
>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old homestead, the first quarter million of
>> capital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains (half million if you're married) is exempt from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After
>>>> all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagan's Trickle Down economic theory dictates that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wealthier the rich get, the more jobs await us,
>> trickling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic growth in US history......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity
>>>> grew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-
>>>>>> myster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y-
>>>>>>>>>>>> of-i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nc ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened
>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000. Then
>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fell off
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 to 2003 when it started climbing again reaching a
>> peak
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 when the recession come into play.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And 2007 was the year Democrats took both houses of
>> Congress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and not suprisingly no liberals are making any comments
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the trend started under Reagan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the GOP had the House in 1995 when the
>>>>>> inequities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> skyrocketed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that no GOPers are making any comments on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually what is interesting is that deregulation took place
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1980 to 1999.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This has what to do with the earlier claim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isn't simply a Republican problem like you seem to intimate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then why do the facts implicate them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-
>>>> of-
>>>>>> inc
>>>>>>>>> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sure looks like Clinton was complicite in that. After all he
>> had
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> sign those bills. Have you really looked at the timing of those
>>>>>>>> increases? I broke it down for you in a previous post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sure looks like Reagan and Bush were comlicit, doesn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As was Clinton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not when a false impeachment hamstrings him
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IOW, it is so much easier to blame Bush for everything. Gotcha'
>>>
>>> IOW, it is so much easier for GOPers to evade responsibility.
>>
>> Why do you think that is? Do you think that the Washington Post, the New
>> York Times, the Chicago Tribune, the Miami Herald or the LA Times are all
>> conservative media?
>
> Has Bush

Do you think that the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Chicago
Tribune, the Miami Herald or the LA Times are all conservative media?





== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:11 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 8:07 PM, Gronk wrote:
> RD Sandman wrote:
>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l9ck83$odu$19
>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>
>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>> On 12/20/2013 11:27 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>> It sure looks like Reagan and Bush were comlicit, doesn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As was Clinton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not when a false impeachment hamstrings him
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He lied to Congress and was disbarred, cope.
>>>
>>> Acquitted. Cope.
>>>
>>
>> You are both correct. He lied to Congress, he ended up disbarred and the
>> Senate acquitted him from impeachment procedings.
>>
>
> And is the most popular president ever.

No.





== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:21 pm
From: Gronk


Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:57:10 -0600, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>> news:l9cjvo$odu$16@news.mixmin.net:
>>
>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l91ujr$95f$1
>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>
>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> news:l8l7le$vjd$2@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/8/2013 5:00 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2013 9:57 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> bandersnatch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2013 2:14 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:enne89dqv91dk6vomm9ar1d18627k9fm3u@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:00 -0600, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and get no deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old homestead, the first quarter million of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital gains (half million if you're married) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exempt from taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After
>>>> all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagan's Trickle Down economic theory dictates that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wealthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich get, the more jobs await us, trickling down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic growth in US history......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-
>>>> myst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ery-of-i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nc ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it fell off from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 to 2003 when it started climbing again reaching a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peak in 2007 when the recession come into play.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And 2007 was the year Democrats took both houses of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Congress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and not suprisingly no liberals are making any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the trend started under Reagan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who sent the Dow on a 20 year tear, love it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the GOP had the House in 1995 when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inequities skyrocketed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh boo fucking hoo, did you fail to make any money, dumbass?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that no GOPers are making any comments on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything to fuck with YOUR head!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you admit that Reagan lied about "a rising tide lifts all
>>>>>>>>>>> boats".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you still draw breath?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why are you unable to understand
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-of
>>>>>>> -
>>>> inc
>>>>>>> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that the biggest climb occured during Clinton's term
>>>>>> from 1994 to when Shrub became president in 2009.....then the
>>>>>> second
>>>> biggest
>>>>>> climb came during Shrub's second term and continued to 2008 when
>>>>>> Obama took office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not blaming anyone just pointing out a couple significant timings
>>>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>>> chart. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> And 1994 is when the GOP took over. Just sayin'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, but for those of you who wish to place a lot of blame on Bush
>>>> because he was president during certain times, have to eat that same
>>>> meal when Clinton or Obama are president.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not really since Reagan started the ball rolling. It appears to be
>>> hard to halt or reverse.
>>>
>>
>> Just appears to me that some people wish to blame the other side no
>> matter what. If people claim that Bush is responsible simply because he
>> was president when the problem was there, then why doesn't that same
>> logic appear when Obama (for example) is president?
>
>
> What...blame their Godhead??? Unthinkable!!

Reagan set the tone for that with the Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill Of A
Fellow Republican commandment.

So, they are unable to blame Bush.





== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:23 pm
From: Gronk


prime cut wrote:
> On 12/24/2013 11:32 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, but for those of you who wish to place a lot of blame on Bush
>>> because he was president during certain times, have to eat that same meal
>>> when Clinton or Obama are president.
>>>
>>
>> Not really since Reagan started the ball rolling.
>
> And how:
>

The debt took off under him as well as income inequity.

Generations hurt.





== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:26 pm
From: Gronk


prime cut wrote:
> On 12/24/2013 11:34 AM, Gronk wrote:
>> Look closer. It went down in 2007.
>
> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/new-study-finds-democrats-fully-to-blame-for-subprime-mortgage-crisis-that-caused-financial-collapse/
>
>

Nothing to do with anything here.





== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:27 pm
From: Gronk


prime cut wrote:
> On 12/24/2013 11:36 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>> IOW, it is so much easier to blame Bush for everything. Gotcha'
>>
>> IOW, it is so much easier for GOPers to evade responsibility.
>
>
>
> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/new-study-finds-democrats-fully-to-blame-for-subprime-mortgage-crisis-that-caused-financial-collapse/
>
>

Nothing to do with anything here.





== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:27 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 8:21 PM, Gronk wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:57:10 -0600, RD Sandman
>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:l9cjvo$odu$16@news.mixmin.net:
>>>
>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in news:l91ujr$95f$1
>>>>> @news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:l8l7le$vjd$2@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/8/2013 5:00 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2013 9:57 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> bandersnatch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2013 2:14 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:enne89dqv91dk6vomm9ar1d18627k9fm3u@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:00 -0600, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and get no deduction for ownership.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old homestead, the first quarter million of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital gains (half million if you're married) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exempt from taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After
>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reagan's Trickle Down economic theory dictates that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wealthier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich get, the more jobs await us, trickling down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to our begging hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic growth in US history......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-
>>>>> myst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ery-of-i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nc ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it fell off from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 to 2003 when it started climbing again reaching a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peak in 2007 when the recession come into play.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And 2007 was the year Democrats took both houses of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Congress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and not suprisingly no liberals are making any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the trend started under Reagan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who sent the Dow on a 20 year tear, love it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that the GOP had the House in 1995 when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inequities skyrocketed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh boo fucking hoo, did you fail to make any money, dumbass?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that no GOPers are making any comments on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything to fuck with YOUR head!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you admit that Reagan lied about "a rising tide lifts all
>>>>>>>>>>>> boats".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you still draw breath?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why are you unable to understand
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-of
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>> inc
>>>>>>>> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting that the biggest climb occured during Clinton's term
>>>>>>> from 1994 to when Shrub became president in 2009.....then the
>>>>>>> second
>>>>> biggest
>>>>>>> climb came during Shrub's second term and continued to 2008 when
>>>>>>> Obama took office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not blaming anyone just pointing out a couple significant timings
>>>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> chart. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And 1994 is when the GOP took over. Just sayin'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, but for those of you who wish to place a lot of blame on Bush
>>>>> because he was president during certain times, have to eat that same
>>>>> meal when Clinton or Obama are president.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really since Reagan started the ball rolling. It appears to be
>>>> hard to halt or reverse.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just appears to me that some people wish to blame the other side no
>>> matter what. If people claim that Bush is responsible simply because he
>>> was president when the problem was there, then why doesn't that same
>>> logic appear when Obama (for example) is president?
>>
>>
>> What...blame their Godhead??? Unthinkable!!
>
> Reagan set the tone for that with the Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill Of A
> Fellow Republican commandment.

That wasn't Reagan. That was the establishment Californian Republican
party of the 1960s/1970s. I know about it. You don't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_%28Ronald_Reagan%29





== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:27 pm
From: Gronk


prime cut wrote:
> On 12/24/2013 11:36 AM, Gronk wrote:
>> prime cut wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2013 11:27 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>> It sure looks like Reagan and Bush were comlicit, doesn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> As was Clinton.
>>>>
>>>> Not when a false impeachment hamstrings him
>>>
>>>
>>> He lied to Congress and was disbarred, cope.
>>
>> Acquitted. Cope.
>
> Disbarred, still.

Most popular, still.




== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:28 pm
From: Gronk


prime cut wrote:
> On 12/24/2013 11:41 AM, Gronk wrote:
>> prime cut wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2013 11:28 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2013 2:49 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/8/2013 5:01 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then why do the facts
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nationalsecurityforum.org/newsletter/reagans-star-wars-and-the-collapse-of-the-ussr/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has nothing to do with this.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://nationalsecurityforum.org/newsletter/reagans-star-wars-and-the-collapse-of-the-ussr/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Has nothing to do with this.
>>
> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/new-study-finds-democrats-fully-to-blame-for-subprime-mortgage-crisis-that-caused-financial-collapse/


Nothing to do with anything here.





== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:28 pm
From: Gronk


prime cut wrote:
> On 12/24/2013 11:46 AM, Gronk wrote:
>> prime cut wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2013 11:29 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2013 2:56 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>> see where the GOP took Congress?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nationalsecurityforum.org/newsletter/reagans-star-wars-and-the-collapse-of-the-ussr/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Has nothing to do with this.
> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/new-study-finds-democrats-fully-to-blame-for-subprime-mortgage-crisis-that-caused-financial-collapse/

Nothing to do with anything here.





== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:30 pm
From: Gronk


prime cut wrote:
> On 12/24/2013 11:47 AM, Gronk wrote:
>> prime cut wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2013 11:29 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2013 2:57 PM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>> It sure looks like Reagan and Bush were comlicit, doesn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nationalsecurityforum.org/newsletter/reagans-star-wars-and-the-collapse-of-the-ussr/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> Has nothing to do with this.
> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/new-study-finds-democrats-fully-to-blame-for-subprime-mortgage-crisis-that-caused-financial-collapse/

Nothing to do with anything here.





== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:30 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 8:23 PM, Gronk - a cocksucker - bullshitted:
> prime cut wrote:
>> On 12/24/2013 11:32 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep, but for those of you who wish to place a lot of blame on Bush
>>>> because he was president during certain times, have to eat that same
>>>> meal
>>>> when Clinton or Obama are president.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not really since Reagan started the ball rolling.
>>
>> And how:
>>
>
> The debt took off under him as well as income inequity [sic]

There is nothing inherently inequitable about income *inequality* (not
"inequity", fuckstain).

You're a fucking illiterate. Someone needs to slug you in the mouth.
Come on over, bitch.








== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:31 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 8:27 PM, Gronk wrote:
> prime cut wrote:
>> On 12/24/2013 11:36 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>> prime cut wrote:
>>>> On 12/20/2013 11:27 AM, Gronk wrote:
>>>>>>> It sure looks like Reagan and Bush were comlicit, doesn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As was Clinton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not when a false impeachment hamstrings him
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He lied to Congress and was disbarred, cope.
>>>
>>> Acquitted. Cope.
>>
>> Disbarred, still.
>
> Most popular, still.

Bullshit, you stupid Clinton dick-sucker - and irrelevant even if it
were true, which of course it isn't.






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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:16 pm
From: Guy Fawkes


Jeff M <NoSpam@NoThanks.org> wrote in
news:v9ydnZGXcthN9yHPnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com:

>> Some women aren't mentally equipped to formulate opinions. See Debbie
>> Wasserman Shultz and Diane Feinstein.
>
> You mean two widely respected women

Seriously, even libs laugh at her behind her back,

--
When the government is no longer constrained by the laws of the land, then
neither are the people.





== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:23 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 12/26/2013 9:43 AM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 12/25/2013 8:37 PM, P. Coonan wrote:
>> On 21 Dec 2013, GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> posted some
>> news:tb0cb9pcothbuoso4mkm5p7d6nc7n7qhsd@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:19:43 -0600, Jeff M <NoSpam@NoThanks.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/21/2013 12:43 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:29:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza
>>>>> <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> who really, truly should be gang-raped
>>>>>
>>>>> Journalists should be gang raped?
>>>>
>>>> Plimpton seems to be a sexual deviant, judging by his repeatedly
>>>> expressed fascination with sexual torture and rape, especially when in
>>>> his cups. So I suppose he thinks it's okay to rape any female, and
>>>> it's
>>>> definitely okay for him to say such disgusting things about and to
>> women.
>>>
>>> Clearly he would be right at home in torture chambers beating and
>>> raping political prisoners, but women to be beaten up and raped for
>>> expressing an opinion on education seems to break new ground.
>>
>> Some women aren't mentally equipped to formulate opinions. See Debbie
>> Wasserman Shultz and Diane Feinstein.
>
> You mean two

He means one highly partisan estrogen-overloaded idiot - Wasserman - who
appeals strictly to vulgar emotion rather than intellect.

For the record, I actually don't get conservatives' extreme antipathy to
Feinstein. On most issues, she's a reasonable Democrat: cautious, not
extreme, not vindictive, not hormonally crazed like Boxer or Wasserman.
It's true she gets gun control 100% wrong, but on quite a lot of
issues, she's what I like to think of as the thinking conservative's
liberal - on the wrong side of most issues, but amenable to persuasion,
negotiation and deal-making. As a principled thinking Californian, I
vote against her every time she runs, but not with the same passion with
which I oppose that mackerel cunt Boxer.






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TOPIC: CLUE! *When You Defend Phil Robertson, Here's What You're Really
Defending*
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:28 pm
From: The Daring Dufas


On 12/26/2013 6:05 PM, Demented Racist Silly Billy wrote:
> In article <1956b$52bca2e8$414e828e$17548@EVERESTKC.NET>,
> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
Poor Billy, Negro American and professional victim of anything he can
blame on Caucasians. ^_^

Kill Whitey!

TDD





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TOPIC: Leftists misidentify the political center
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1d9651b68fe82db0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:32 pm
From: The Daring Dufas


On 12/26/2013 7:08 PM, Juris Diction wrote:
> In article <431vu.105466$_n7.98275@fx20.iad>,
> "Eddie Haskell" <hysaaqw@saaw.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>> news:e7916$52bc9835$414e828e$3873@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>> Good piece:
>>>
>>> http://opinions-and-more.blogspot.com/2011/08/where-is-political-center.html
>>>
>>> The writer talks of some self-styled "centrist" who advocates massive tax
>>> increases, and who labels any refusal to go along as a "hard right"
>>> position.
>>
>> I've said this for years. Lying liberals smear people who believe in the
>> tenets of the founding as right wing extremists in order to shift the
>> political spectrum and make their radical anti-American socialist views seem
>> more mainstream.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>
> Now I see why the Conservatives released you guys out of the asylums.
>
Release the hounds! We're on the hunt for Progressive Liberal Leftist
Commiecrat Freaks. We'll have one treed in no time. ^_^

TDD






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TOPIC: Intersting article on hiring, and trying to fill jobs
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 26 2013 8:33 pm
From: "David R. Birch"


On 12/26/2013 9:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>> Never existed.
>
> Forgot the emoticons again. My middle name is Sardonic.

That's OK, George/Rudy/whatever isn't bright enough to recognize humor
even if you point it out to him.

David





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