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* Eddie Haskell - USENET's notrious [sic] - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fe3ac57fbd4dc27f?hl=en
* What is it? Set 528 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c0a0e39d40365ee6?hl=en
* How much mercury is in mercury relays? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/28b8e3bc7aaa18d2?hl=en
* The Fact Is, The Rich Don't Have Enough Money - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1b1dc40682737d00?hl=en
* The CRA dictates that RACE is of more importance thananyone'
sabilitytorepayanyloansmade. - 14 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/27850e46baa11657?hl=en
* Uisng A Chucking Reamer - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/20f0c6f715bd3e69?hl=en

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TOPIC: Eddie Haskell - USENET's notrious [sic]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fe3ac57fbd4dc27f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:23 am
From: "No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list'"


On 1/17/2014 9:06 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <ZacCu.224385$Rt7.139286@fx27.iad>,
> "Kirby Grant" <kgrant@whatzit.org> wrote:
>
>> When our enemies start coming for us, we'll point them in your direction and
>> indicate that you are volunteering to die at their hands or at least be
>> their slave. After all, you don't want to be defended.
>
> What military threat is coming for us?

Maybe having a 2,000,000 person military is exactly why there aren't any
coming for us.


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:24 am
From: "No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list'"


On 1/17/2014 9:06 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <bdaeb$52d951e8$414e828e$26709@EVERESTKC.NET>,
> "No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list'" <kill_gummer@soon> wrote:
>
>> You don't know what it takes to defend the country.
>
> That depends on what you mean by defend.

No, it doesn't depend on anything at all - *you* are incompetent to say
what's required.


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TOPIC: What is it? Set 528
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:41 am
From: Rob H.


Someone suggested that this wooden item (3082) is a wine bottle holder/pourer, I
think that this is correct. I couldn't find one just like it but there are some
similar ones here:

https://www.google.com/search?
q=wine+bottle+holder+pourer+wood&safe=off&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&s
a=X&ei=DWvZUrOKEOm0yAGb_YCADg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=784






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TOPIC: How much mercury is in mercury relays?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/28b8e3bc7aaa18d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:48 am
From: dpb


On 1/17/2014 9:19 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
...

> Mercury is exceedingly dense and heavy at 13534 kg/m3, but ~9oz does
> seem overly much for a small, single-pole relay. (I wonder if it's a
> weight v. volume mismatch I'm experiencing. I believe so.)
>
> 1 fluid ounce (fl oz) of mercury = 0.88 lb in mercury
>
> So 252 grams would be roughly 0.64 fluid ounces. OK, that works for
> me. That crap IS dense!
...

Yes, it's 20% more dense than Pb -- 13.6 vs 11.3 gm/cm^3

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:54 am
From: Jon Elson


Ignoramus29535 wrote:

> (not completely idle interest)
>
> I was just wondering, how much mercury is in mercury relays such as 80
> amp three pole relays. A website claims that even a 35 amp single pole
> relay contains 251 grams of mercury, which is hard to believe.
>
> http://goo.gl/ESvOvC
Just shake it! You can probably feel the mercury sloshing around
in there. Yes, the huge old mercury contactors had an amazing
amount of the stuff in them.

Jon




== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:00 am
From: Paul Drahn


On 1/17/2014 9:54 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> Ignoramus29535 wrote:
>
>> (not completely idle interest)
>>
>> I was just wondering, how much mercury is in mercury relays such as 80
>> amp three pole relays. A website claims that even a 35 amp single pole
>> relay contains 251 grams of mercury, which is hard to believe.
>>
>> http://goo.gl/ESvOvC
> Just shake it! You can probably feel the mercury sloshing around
> in there. Yes, the huge old mercury contactors had an amazing
> amount of the stuff in them.
>
> Jon
I think more mercury would be required if the switch was activiated many
times per minute, at the rated amperage. Much more vapour would be
produced during the time of contact arcing.

Paul





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TOPIC: The Fact Is, The Rich Don't Have Enough Money
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:56 am
From: "Eddie Haskell"



"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
news:b06ae$52d9678a$414e828e$1998@EVERESTKC.NET...
> On 1/17/2014 9:14 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:
>>
>>>
>>> "Grayling High School" wrote in message...
>>>> Re: The Fact Is, The Rich Don't Have Enough Money
>>>> They never have. That's why we need to pay the taxes
>>>> while they pay nothing.
>>>
>>> You are silly and WRONG.
>>> The "rich" pay the majority of income taxes paid, as it is.
>>>
>>> "The top 5 percent earned 33.78 percent of income
>>> and paid 59.07 percent of taxes,
>>>
>>> and the top 10 percent earned 45.17 percent of income
>>> and paid 70.62 percent of taxes."
>>>
>>> http://taxfoundation.org/article/what-do-americans-really-pay-income-ta
>>> xes
>>>
>> Yet some how that top 5% owns 2/3 of all the stock while the bottom 50%
>> own
>> ~ 0.5%
>
> So?

Obama has been pumping up wall street to the tune of 85 billion a month
making the rich richer while he blubbers about "income disparity" as if he
had nothing to do with it while his retarded sycophants drool.

-Eddie Haskell







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TOPIC: The CRA dictates that RACE is of more importance thananyone'
sabilitytorepayanyloansmade.
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:08 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >
> >
> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sancho Panza wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
> >>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
> >>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
> >>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
> >>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
> >>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
> >>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
> >>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
> >>> the GSEs stand:
> >>>
> >>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
> >>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
> >>
> >> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
> >
> >
> > Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
> >
> > The govt owns F&F.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.

The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
The profits go to the US Treasury.
The F&F bailout cost the taxpayers nothing.

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== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:13 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 11:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> > On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> > collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >>
> >>
> >> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> >>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
> >>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely.
> >>>>> FHFA
> >>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
> >>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
> >>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that
> >>>>> Fannie Mae
> >>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
> >>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
> >>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
> >>>> the GSEs stand:
> >>>>
> >>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
> >>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
> >>>
> >>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
> >>
> >>
> >> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
> >>
> >> The govt owns F&F.
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> > stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> > OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
> >
> > Your handlers really put their foot in it on that one, front boy.
>
> If F&F were NOT bankrupt then Obama Nationalizing them and promising
> unlimited government financial backing was just an effort to steal the
> company from it's stock/share holders without paying them for their stock.

You're lying again.

It was Bush that took over F&F.
The reason was to keep the F&F loan guarantees (which would
have become worthless without govt support) from destroying
the entire financial system.

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== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:20 am
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 1:08 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
>>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
>>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>>
>>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>>
>>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>>
>>>
>>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>>
>>> The govt owns F&F.
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>

> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
Who says the government is qualified to buy stocks?
Why isn't F&F paying back all the people that lost money because of
their business practices and their predatory sales of fraudulent
investment paper?



> The profits go to the US Treasury.
what profits? And NOW is NOT the time for profits...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-N_DPNve44
Now is NOT the time for Profits says
*Obama The millionaire who's keeping his profits*

> The F&F bailout cost the taxpayers nothing.
It cost 35 billion in tax credits....





== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:01 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/17/2014 10:08 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:

> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
>>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
>>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>>
>>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>>
>>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>>
>>>
>>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>>
>>> The govt owns F&F.
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>
> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.

The government does not own all of the preferred stock. They don't even
own a majority of it.

Your handlers are leaving you dangling in the wind, front boy. You
don't even understand the lies they're feeding you.





== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:12 am
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 1:13 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 1/17/2014 11:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>>>>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely.
>>>>>>> FHFA
>>>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that
>>>>>>> Fannie Mae
>>>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>>>
>>>> The govt owns F&F.
>>>
>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
>>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
>>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>>>
>>> Your handlers really put their foot in it on that one, front boy.
>>
>> If F&F were NOT bankrupt then Obama Nationalizing them and promising
>> unlimited government financial backing was just an effort to steal the
>> company from it's stock/share holders without paying them for their stock.
>
> You're lying again.


By
James R. Hagerty and
Jessica Holzer
Updated Dec. 28, 2009 12:01 a.m. ET

The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of
losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over
the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.

The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited
the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.

*Unlimited access to bailout funds* through 2012 was "necessary for
preserving the continued strength and stability of the mortgage market,"
the Treasury said. Fannie and Freddie purchase or guarantee most U.S.
home mortgages and have run up huge losses stemming from the worst wave
of defaults since the 1930s.

" *The timing of this executive order giving Fannie and Freddie* a
*blank* *check* is no coincidence," said Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama,
the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee. He
said the Christmas Eve announcement was designed "to prevent the general
public from taking note."

Treasury officials couldn't be reached for comment Friday.

So far, Treasury has provided $60 billion of capital to Fannie and $51
billion to Freddie. Mahesh Swaminathan, a senior mortgage analyst at
Credit Suisse in New York, said he didn't believe Fannie and Freddie
would need more than $200 billion apiece from the Treasury. But he and
other analysts have said the market would find a larger commitment from
the Treasury reassuring.

In exchange for the funding, the Treasury has received preferred stock
in the companies paying 10% dividends. The Treasury also has warrants to
acquire nearly 80% of the common shares in each firm.

The Treasury removed the cap on the size of available bailout funds *by*
*amending* *agreements* *it reached with the companies* in *September*
2008, when the government seized control of the agencies under a legal
*process called conservatorship* . The agreement allowed the Treasury to
make amendments through the end of the year, *without* *the *consent* of
*Congress* . Changes made after Dec. 31 would likely involve a struggle
with lawmakers over the terms.

Some Republicans are angry the *administration is expanding* the
potential *size of the bailout* without having a *plan for eventually*
*ending the federal government's role* in the companies.

The Treasury reiterated administration plans for a "preliminary report"
on the government's future role in the mortgage market around the time
the federal budget proposal is released in February.

The companies on Thursday disclosed new packages that will pay Fannie
Chief Executive Officer Michael Williams and Freddie CEO Charles
Haldeman Jr. as *much as* $6 *million a year, including bonuses* . The
packages were *approved by the Treasury and the Federal Housing*
*Finance* Agency, or FHFA, which regulates the companies.

The FHFA said compensation for executive officers of the companies in
2009, on average, is down 40% from the pay levels before the
conservatorship.

Under the conservatorship, top officers of Fannie and Freddie take their
cues from the Treasury and regulators on all major decisions, current
and former executives say. The government has made
foreclosure-prevention efforts its top priority.

The pay packages for top officers are entirely in cash; company shares
have been trading on the New York Stock Exchange at less than $2 apiece,
and it isn't clear when the companies will to profitability or whether
common shares will have any value in the long term.

For the CEOs, annual compensation consists of a base salary of $900,000,
deferred base salary of $3.1 million and incentive pay of as much as $2
million.

When Mr. Haldeman was hired by Freddie in July, the company set his base
pay at $900,000 and said his additional "incentive" pay would depend on
a decision by the regulator.

At Fannie, Mr. Williams was chief operating officer until he was
promoted in April to CEO. As COO, his base salary was $676,000. He also
had annual deferred pay of $2.3 million and a long-term incentive award
of as much as $1.5 million.

Under the new packages, Fannie will pay as much as about $3.6 million
annually to David M. Johnson, chief financial officer; $2.4 million to
Kenneth Bacon, who heads a unit that finances apartment buildings; $2.8
million to David Benson, capital markets chief; $2.2 million to David
Hisey, deputy chief financial officer; $3 million to Timothy Mayopoulos,
general counsel; and $2.8 million to Kenneth Phelan, chief risk officer.

At Freddie, annual compensation will total as much as $4.5 million for
Bruce Witherell, chief operating officer; $3.5 million for Ross Kari,
chief financial officer; $2.8 million for Robert Bostrom, general
counsel; and $2.7 million for Paul George, head of human resources.

The pay deals also drew fire. With unemployment near 10%, "to be handing
out $6 million bonuses to essentially federal employees is
unconscionable," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican who is a
frequent critic of Fannie and Freddie.

He also criticized the administration for approving the compensation
without settling on a plan to remove taxpayer supports: "To be doing
that with no plan in place is just unconscionable."

The FHFA said that Fannie and Freddie "must attract and retain the
talent needed" for their vital role in the mortgage market.






>
> It was Bush that took over F&F.

NO it was Obama that took it over, Bush had it in "receivership" with
limited financial backing of $200 Billion. remember the word "rescue" it
was to rescue the bloated government created shit bags. Obama then
changed that into a takeover of all their debt and they also put money
from treasury and the Federal Reserve and other agencies into F&F
because Obama owned it.


Obama took 100% or unlimited financial responsibility on behalf of the
tax payers, and it was probably unconstitutional at best and probably
illegal and a felony Banking fraud at worst.

> The reason was to keep the F&F loan guarantees (which would
> have become worthless without govt support) from destroying
> the entire financial system.

And it also makes it possible for Democrats to hide their government
fraud and coercion and duplicity.






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== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:00 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

> >
>
> > The govt owns F&F preferred stock.

> Who says the government is qualified to buy stocks?

Congress writes the laws.

> Why isn't F&F paying back all the people that lost money because of
> their business practices and their predatory sales of fraudulent
> investment paper?

You're lying again. No one has lost money on GSE mortgage
backed securities.

>
> > The profits go to the US Treasury.
> what profits? And NOW is NOT the time for profits...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-N_DPNve44
> Now is NOT the time for Profits says
> *Obama The millionaire who's keeping his profits*
>
> > The F&F bailout cost the taxpayers nothing.
> It cost 35 billion in tax credits....

That is just another one of your lies.
If the govt had not taken over F&F it would have
collected nothing in taxes.

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== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:16 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




Rudy Canoza wrote:

> >>> The govt owns F&F.
> >>
> >> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> >> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> >> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
> >
> > The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
>
> The government does not own all of the preferred stock. They don't even
> own a majority of it.

Go argue your point with the SEC and US Treasury.
They claim a majority ownership stake and all the
profits go to the treasury as dividends.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/310522/000095013308003096/w67133exv99w3.htm

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== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:18 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

>
> The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of
> losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over
> the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
>
> The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited
> the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.

That is 4 year old news. It is all paid back now.

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== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:41 pm
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 3:00 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>>> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
>
>> Who says the government is qualified to buy stocks?
>
> Congress writes the laws.

But *are they qualified* to gamble with taxpayer assets?

Do you want them playing Black Jack at casino's with tax dollars to
increase the bottom line at the Treasury? What makes buying stocks and
other high risk investments safer than playing Black Jack?






== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:46 pm
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 3:18 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
>>
>> The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of
>> losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over
>> the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
>>
>> The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited
>> the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.
>
> That is 4 year old news. It is all paid back now.

It's NOT *ALL* paid back....

But-->

That is why we call them "FACTS"

I'm happy you noticed that I'm using FACTS


When you want FACTS you look for things that already happened because
things in the future are NOT FACTS yet.











== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:46 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 3:00 PM, jim wrote:
> >
> >
> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
> >
> >> Who says the government is qualified to buy stocks?
> >
> > Congress writes the laws.
>
> But *are they qualified* to gamble with taxpayer assets?

They didn't have much choice

>
> Do you want them playing Black Jack at casino's with tax dollars to
> increase the bottom line at the Treasury? What makes buying stocks and
> other high risk investments safer than playing Black Jack?

The intent was not to make profits. You
already posted links showing that everybody thought
it would lose money because of the belief that F&F
were holding tons of bad loans. Turns out that belief
was wrong.

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== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:53 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 3:18 PM, jim wrote:
> >
> >
> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of
> >> losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over
> >> the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
> >>
> >> The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited
> >> the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.
> >
> > That is 4 year old news. It is all paid back now.
>
> It's NOT *ALL* paid back....
>
>

The 4th quarter of 2013 ended a couple weeks ago.
When they announce the profits will you admit
you were lying? Of course not. You'll just start spewing
a brand new batch of lies.

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== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:53 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/17/2014 12:16 PM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:

> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>>>>> The govt owns F&F.
>>>>
>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
>>>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
>>>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>>>
>>> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
>>
>> The government does not own all of the preferred stock. They don't even
>> own a majority of it.
>
> Go argue your point with the SEC and US Treasury.
> They claim a majority ownership stake and

Ha ha ha ha ha! That site makes plain that the fraud, if any, was
committed by the U.S. government:

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debt and mortgage backed securities
outstanding today amount to about $5 trillion, and are held by
central banks and investors around the world. Investors have
purchased securities of these government sponsored enterprises in
part because the ambiguities in their Congressional charters
created a perception of government backing. These ambiguities
fostered enormous growth in GSE debt outstanding, and the breadth
of these holdings pose a systemic risk to our financial system.
Because the U.S. government created these ambiguities, we have a
responsibility to both avert and ultimately address the systemic
risk now posed by the scale and breadth of the holdings of GSE
debt and mortgage backed securities.


You and your handlers really put your foot in it with that one.




== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:55 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 12:16 PM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>
> > Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >
> >>>>> The govt owns F&F.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> >>>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> >>>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
> >>>
> >>> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
> >>
> >> The government does not own all of the preferred stock. They don't even
> >> own a majority of it.
> >
> > Go argue your point with the SEC and US Treasury.
> > They claim a majority ownership stake and
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha! That site makes plain that the fraud, if any, was
> committed by the U.S. government:

Hey I'm not your nanny. If you want to cry go
bang on their door and cry.

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TOPIC: Uisng A Chucking Reamer
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/20f0c6f715bd3e69?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:53 am
From: "Bob La Londe"


After calculating the speed and feed for an application do you rapid back
out, or do you retract at the same feed rate as you plunge?




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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:02 am
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, January 17, 2014 10:53:22 AM UTC-8, Bob La Londe wrote:
> After calculating the speed and feed for an application do you rapid back
>
> out, or do you retract at the same feed rate as you plunge?
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Rapid out.




== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:44 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"


jon_banquer <jonbanquer@yahoo.com> fired this volley in news:15e12c16-1f5b-
4377-9a3d-6fc81a93d2b9@googlegroups.com:

> Rapid out.

Yeah. If the reamer is sharp and you dawdle in the hole, any tiny bit of
misalignment between tailstock and headstock will translate to the reamer's
taking more cuts as it exits. You can't completely eliminate that, but you
can minimize it by getting out of the hole as fast as possible.

If everything were perfect, it wouldn't do any cutting on the way out,
anyway, so the speed wouldn't matter. But it does.

Lloyd




== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:42 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:44:57 AM UTC-8, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> jon_banquer <jonbanquer@yahoo.com> fired this volley in news:15e12c16-1f5b-
>
> 4377-9a3d-6fc81a93d2b9@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Rapid out.
>
>
>
> Yeah. If the reamer is sharp and you dawdle in the hole, any tiny bit of
>
> misalignment between tailstock and headstock will translate to the reamer's
>
> taking more cuts as it exits. You can't completely eliminate that, but you
>
> can minimize it by getting out of the hole as fast as possible.
>
>
>
> If everything were perfect, it wouldn't do any cutting on the way out,
>
> anyway, so the speed wouldn't matter. But it does.
>
>
>
> Lloyd


Use a G86 boring cycle: Feedrate, Stop, Dwell Time, Rapid out.














== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:54 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:44:57 AM UTC-8, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> jon_banquer <jonbanquer@yahoo.com> fired this volley in news:15e12c16-1f5b-
>
> 4377-9a3d-6fc81a93d2b9@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Rapid out.
>
>
>
> Yeah. If the reamer is sharp and you dawdle in the hole, any tiny bit of
>
> misalignment between tailstock and headstock will translate to the reamer's
>
> taking more cuts as it exits. You can't completely eliminate that, but you
>
> can minimize it by getting out of the hole as fast as possible.
>
>
>
> If everything were perfect, it wouldn't do any cutting on the way out,
>
> anyway, so the speed wouldn't matter. But it does.
>
>
>
> Lloyd



Suggest looking into floating reamer holders.






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