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* Opposition to Obama's destruction of the health care sector is not about
race - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* There is no "right" to health care>>OR<< Is Maobama ready for an American
cultural revolution? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* How to get rid of a roommate? - 5 messages, 3 authors
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* The World Largest Online Digital Library. - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* $$ Free Earn Money Online at Home $$ - 1 messages, 1 author
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* "needs" vs "mere wants": a false and useless distinction - 1 messages, 1
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* A list of things with descriptions that are deadly to children - 2 messages,
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* Comparison of Unlimited/High Volume Prepaid Wireless Phone Plans Added to
the Prepaid Wireless Web Site - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Illegal Immigration: A Culture of Corruption - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Opposition to Obama's destruction of the health care sector is not
about race
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 12 2009 11:29 pm
From: "GlennR@teranews.com"

shut the hell up, you fat ass, hillbilly, net Nazi,

damn you hillbillies are always minding everyone else's business,

fuck off, we're sick of fat ass, loud mouth, gutless, fat ass losers,
failures, and other assorted cross eyed,
bow legged, inbred, cocksucking hillbillies

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hb0s4i$aqv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Wilson Woods wrote:
>
>> It's about citizens' legitimate fear that they're going to have worse
>> health care, and worse access to what health care they get, after Obama
>> fucks up the health care system.
>
> I agree with everything you say, but I really wish you'd eliminate
> misc.consumers.frugal-living from your newsgroup list. You might like
> arguing among yourselves, but (as shown by the list of participants in
> your threads) none of us is interested in the continued wrangle no matter
> how important the subject is.
>
> --
> Thanks, Bev
> ==============================================================
> "Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
> Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded."

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 5:45 pm
From: <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>

>
> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> I agree with everything you say, but I really wish you'd eliminate
>> misc.consumers.frugal-living from your newsgroup list.

LOL! What a fuckwit newsgroup tha must be!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 1:22 am
From: Wilson Woods

Lisa Lisa, a racist looter, wrote:
> On Oct 13, 12:28 am, SgtMinor <Sa...@the.old.folks.home.invalid>
> wrote:
>> Wilson Woods wrote:
>>> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
>>> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters who say
>>> it's about race know they've lost the debate.
>> It's about the corporate ox being gored. It's about power and money.
>> Our choice is whether to do this collectively, or continue to live at
>> the mercy of a system intent on extracting from us our last drop of blood.
>>
>> The corporate powers can always count on the support of a group of
>> ignoramuses to fight their battles. Ignoramuses are not known for any
>> socially progressive positions, and tend to have little or no racial
>> tolerance.
>
> Yep. Woods is KKK

You have no evidence - *none* - that opposition to Obama's plan to wreck
American health care is based on race.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 3:38 am
From: Robert of St Louis

Yeah I'm with you..."Keep the federal government out of my Medicare"
HA HA HA HA HA.

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TOPIC: There is no "right" to health care>>OR<< Is Maobama ready for an
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 12:28 am
From: John Galt

Lisa Lisa wrote:
> On Oct 12, 6:04 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lisa Lisa wrote:
>>> On Oct 12, 3:54 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Lisa Lisa wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 12, 2:01 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> No, America is not obsessed race.
>>>>> Sure it is.
>>>> No, you and your fellow leftists are.
>>>>>> Leftists who control the media and
>>>>>> too much of the national agenda are obsessed with race, and won't let
>>>>>> those who wish to move beyond race do so.
>>>>> Yeah, like the teabaggers and townhallers are going to ever move
>>>>> beyond race.
>>>> Most of them never mentioned race. You see, you are merely mouthing
>>>> your own bigotry here.
>>>>>>>> It's my opinion that resistance to a more rational system is mostly
>>>>>>>> rooted in racial attitudes.
>>>>>>>> You have no evidence or good reason to hold that opinion, /other/ than
>>>>>>>> your obsession with race, like all leftists.
>>>>>>> Why are you so hellbent on directing scarce resource toward paperwork
>>>>>>> and administrative costs rather than the actual delivery of the care
>>>>>>> itself?
>>>>>> non sequitur
>>>>> It's the nub of the issue.
>>>> It isn't. Right now, in this part of the thread, the issue is your
>>>> unsubstantiated and bigoted claim that opposition to Obama's plan to
>>>> redistribute medical care is based on race.
>>> Check out the animals in this video. What the hell are they so worked
>>> up over? The fine points of the bill...or something else?
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Bpshk5nX0&NR=1
>>>>>> The issue is your racist contention.
>>>>> You're resistant to reasonable and beneficial change because you're a
>>>>> damned racist, and you know it.
>>>> No, that's merely your race-obsessed supposition. As a race-obsessed
>>>> racist, you *need* to believe that.
>>> Here's your crowd in action:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtIYpBGlv1U
>>>>>>>>> I've touched a sensitive area; I just know it.
>>>>>>>> You've revealed yourself to be a racist.-
>>>>> I'm just calling you out.
>>>> No, you're not. You're fabricating a truly shitty straw man.
>>>>>>> It isn't me who's bent out of shape about Obama being president.
>>>>>> I'm not bent out of shape over it, either. I do oppose him. I oppose
>>>>>> him because of his noxious policies.
>>> Here's your crowd:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-Pd9St6ro&feature=PlayList&p=E0B825B...
>>>>> If you're so concerned about noxiousness, then you should have been up
>>>>> to your neck in teabags over Bush's listening in on American citizens
>>>>> making calls overseas.
>>>> I was.
>>> I doubt it.
>>>>> You can't name one noxious Obama policy.
>>>> Yes, I can: health care "reform", for starters.
>>> You have lots of company. Listen to this woman screaming "no
>>> socialism" toward the end of the video:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2tON2RkTqM
>>> Do you think she's really afraid of socialism...or something else?
>> I don't think a lot of speculation is necessary. People on the left (or
>> pragmatic moderates) simply don't understand the visceral reaction the
>> right has to government intrusions into their lives, particularly since
>> the economic downturn was caused by 70 years of economic intrusions by
>> both parties.
>
> This downturn has been going on for 70 years? Who the hell are you
> kidding?

Are you seriously suggesting that conditions in the past can't cause
downturns on the future?

If your answer is YES, please say so, so we can remove you from the list
of serious contributors.
>
>
>> So, since they don't understand it, they go looking for
>> other explanations (like race).
>
> Yah, tell us all about this downturn going on for 70 years.
>
>> Obama won Iowa, a rural state that is 98% white. It's not obviously not
>> race.
>
> Obviously, the people in the videos didn't vote for Obama.

How do you statistically measure that?
>
>>>>>> You're still shying away from addressing your race obsession. I
>>>>>> observed, correctly, that you had no valid basis for your preposterous
>>>>>> comment about race driving the health care debate. That comment
>>>>>> demonstrates your racism. You tried to change the subject. Stick to
>>>>>> the topic. Why are you obsessed with race, and why do you insist
>>>>>> everyone be so obsessed?
>>> The topic is health care, and the imbeciles who are resisting
>>> beneficial and necessary change because they're bigoted, thank you
>>> very much.
>> See above.
>
> Galt is another schmuck

OK, we'll remove you from the list of serious contributors. Thanks for
making that evident.

who want to pay higher premiums and get crap
> in the way of coverage. You're getting your wish, retard; I
> understand another company is raising their rates. They're probably
> cutting back on coverage to keep their shareholders happy.
>
> That's what you get when you run health care like any other
> enterprise. You get rising premiums, happy shareholders, rich CEOs,
> and crappy coverage. That means that you and the other racist dopes
> who desperately need brain transplants won't be getting them.
>
>>>>> You know damned well that race is driving this argument
>>>> No, and *you* don't know any such thing, either. You merely have a
>>>> deeply ingrained and conditioned reflex to think that. As a racist and
>>>> race-obsessed leftist looter, you can't think any other way.
>>> Listen to these two-legged turds calling Obama a socialist Nazi,
>>> yakking about a "takeover,"
>>> and wanting to "take down this government." What are they going to
>>> do, rise up and assassinate Democrats?
>> Possibly. There are no shortage of people who would rather see
>> revolution than further devolution into socialized institutions.
>>
>> JG
>
> If you want to pay higher and higher premiums and get zip in return,
> that's your business, retard. Most of us want the kind of health care
> that the Swiss have.
>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKBa9K_vAm8- Hide quoted text -
>
> Those dopes in the video make me ashamed to be white. Everyone knows
> that all this sturm und drang business isn't really about healthcare
> or government intrustion----it's about race, race, race.
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 3:28 am
From: tmclone

On Oct 12, 1:14 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:44 -0700, tmclone wrote:
> > What a moron. I'm a female homeowner in my 50s and I own my own
> > business. I'm a self-employed, life-long democrat. I have lots of
> > assests, but I still can't afford health insurance. It's more than my
> > mortgage payment with a deductible I could never meet. You lose.
>
> https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/individual-health-insurance
>
> Says it will cost you $106 per month. So unless you don't have a
> mortgage you are jerking us around. As to "meeting" your deductible,
> that is irrelevant. Insurance is to protect assets. In that view the
> poor don't actually need insurance because they get care in the emergency
> rooms and they have no assets.
>
> http://www.ehealthlink.com/Washington/IndivRates.asp
>
> In Washington state if you are uninsurable it will cost you $400 a month
> and again you would need to have a very small mortgage indeed.
>

The cheapest insurance I can find (NY) is $500 a month. I bought my
house in 1985, and yes, that's more than my mortgage payment. A LOT
more than my mortgage payment. If NY wasn't such a nanny state
requiring all insurance to be "full-boat" HMO-style, I could just buy
catastrophic coverage for things like a heart attack or cancer. I
couldn't care less about "well-care" or regular check-ups because I
don't do that stuff. I didn't waste my time on that even when I did
have insurance 10 years ago. I don't believe in seeing a doctor unless
something is actually wrong, like a broken bone, uncontrolled
bleeding, etc. Of course, YMMV if you don't have good genes. In my
family, on both sides, we die in our beds in our late early 90s. One
great-grandfather died of lung cancer in his 50s, but he smoked, so
that doesn't count.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 12:48 am
From: "friesian@zoocrewphoto.com"

On Oct 12, 10:00 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <e28ff199-0096-49d8-84f0-c0fb4c772e05@g1
> g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
> "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
>
>
>
> <fries...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 12, 1:29 pm, « Jeem » <n...@thebeach.now> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:16:59 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
>
> > > <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> > > >On Oct 11, 1:14 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> > > >> My milktoast sister does plan on consulting an attorney finally, but
> > > >> does anyone know what she has to do to get rid of a roommate
> > > >> (boyfriend)? She owns the home outright. He's a verbal abuser and
> > > >> plays mind games, like hiding her jewelry and undoing a couple small
> > > >> improvements he's made to her home. She owns the home outright. He has
> > > >> never paid anywhere near an equal share of the bills. I'm thinking she
> > > >> may have to formally give him 30 days notice and then just evict him,
> > > >> probably with the help of some law enforcement.
>
> > > >> Marsha
>
> > > >unless she as a written lease agreement she can simply change the
> > > >locks and leave
> > > >his stuff in plastic sacks on the front law, notify the police of
> > > >potential issues, and have
> > > >someone stay with her until the dust settles.
>
> > > Agreed. If there is no rental agreement or lease, she has no
> > > obligation to allow the BF to live with her. She is doing this just of
> > > her own free will. She had a romantic interest in the man and now she
> > > does not. That does not obligate her to allow him to live in her home.
> > > If they were renting an apartment or house and both names were on the
> > > lease, that would be a different story.
>
> > It can get complicated though if any of the utilities are in his name,
> > or if he has proof of payments. And since he has lived there multiple
> > years, his ID will have that address on it. So, the police may not be
> > able to make a decision that he doesn't have legal right to be there.
> > And that means sending it to the court system, which will take time.
>
> > We've had renters admit in court that they are more than 6 months
> > behind on rent and have no money to pay. Yet they still get 30 days to
> > move out while we have to keep the utilities on or risk being sued.
> > The system in our state favors the renter and not the homeowner. We
> > couldn't even turn off the cable or wireless internet. The guy was
> > spending all day playing games on the internet. If we could have
> > turned off the internet (which we were paying for), he would have had
> > a reason to leave sooner.
>
> Wow, internet access has finally made it
> to the list of necessary utilities

When you rent rooms in a house and internet is either included in a
situation of utilities bundled with the rent, or the cost of internet
is divided by the renters, then yes, it would be considered a utility.
It was mentioned in the ad and the rental contract. So, shutting it
down when they don't pay rent is counted as harassment. We were told
by our lawyer that we could not shut it down without facing a lawsuit
from the deadbeat who was already 4 months behind on rent.

This is a situation where one house is shared by 3-4 renters. So, it
isn't a whole house or apartment being rented to one person who would
choose to get internet or not.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 1:30 am
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <7jfm0eF3599d8U1@mid.individual.net>,
holarchy@nospam.com says...
> Dave C. wrote:

> >> We figured he's bipolar - all the symptoms fit perfectly. He's never
> >> been diagnosed or on meds for it, though, and it's gotten much worse
> >> recently. He also smokes marijuana on a regular basis, but that's
> >> not new.

> > That figures. Frequent marijuana use causes certain mental
> > conditions like bipolar disorders and schizophrenia.

> Another pig ignorant lie. It does produce mental illness
> in a small subset of individuals.

Yeah, I would have figured that you know plenty about that
subject, Rod.

> > As I said before, he's got a self-induced chemical
> > imbalance.

> You don't now that.

So what's your excuse, Rod?

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 1:54 am
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <hatebv$c6$1@news.datemas.de>, mas@xeb.net says...
> My milktoast sister does plan on consulting an attorney finally, but
> does anyone know what she has to do to get rid of a roommate
> (boyfriend)? She owns the home outright. He's a verbal abuser and
> plays mind games, like hiding her jewelry and undoing a couple small
> improvements he's made to her home. She owns the home outright. He has
> never paid anywhere near an equal share of the bills. I'm thinking she
> may have to formally give him 30 days notice and then just evict him,
> probably with the help of some law enforcement.

On a practical level, it is very simple. Here what she can do:

Call police, reporting a "domestic dispute."

When they arrive, point out that she is female, and he is male.

Say, "I'm scared of him." Preferably in a whiny tone.

No evidence needed. Not even any specific allegations of any bad
behaviour.

Just: "I'm the delicate little girl, and he's the big bad man,
and I'm scared."

The cops will (not "might" - WILL) order the boyfriend to
immediately leave, with whatever of his own possessions he can
carry in hand. This will create a situation where, if he
refuses, he will be committing a crime something like, "Refusing
An Order From A Police Officer." Which will also apply if he
tries to return after the cops are gone.

He is out right now. Not in 30 days. Not after an eviction
hearing. Now.

If actually doesn't matter who owns the house, or who pays the
bills. Even if, hypothetically, HE owned the house (or paid the
rent), and paid all of the bills, he would STILL be thrown out.

The next step is a restraining order. Which also isn't affected
by ownership or bill-paying, and doesn't require any evidence of
any kind.

This happens all the time. It isn't politically correct to say
it in the above terms, but that is the honest, practical reality.

And, while it sounds like your sister has legitimate grounds, the
process works just as efficiently in situations where the male is
innocent, and the accusations are false.

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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 12 2009 6:10 pm
From: "Dave C."

>
> You know, Marsha, I think a very effective way of your sister getting
> her BF out of the house is to cheat on him. I mean have a short-term
> affair and don't even try to hide it. Let herself get caught, like
> letting him "accidentally" see a love letter in her email or witness
> her kissing holding hands with another guy. If her infidelity will not
> get him out of the house, I do not know what would.

I don't think that would work. The original relationship with the
houseguest is over. He's getting something other than sex from the
girlfriend now. I think it is an abuser/abusee relationship. The girl
fucking another guy would just infuriate the ex-boyfriend and give him
a good reason to really go ape-shit. It certainly wouldn't convince
him that it's time to leave. -Dave

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 12 2009 6:12 pm
From: "Dave C."

> > This situation, as you describe it, has all the earmarks of a
> > future headline news story. You know, the kind where the reporters
> > talk to the neighbors, who invariably remark, "She was such a nice
> > person...I just don't understand how anybody could DO that to
> > her..." (wiping tears away)
> >
> > I wish I was joking. -Dave
>
> Yeah, I wish you were, too. Unfortunately, I have had the same
> morbid thoughts...

Don't ignore them. -Dave

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TOPIC: "needs" vs "mere wants": a false and useless distinction
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 2:44 am
From: mg

On Oct 12, 10:16 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
. . .
> No one "needs" health care, in any absolute sense. People want health
> care in order to affect the quantity and quality of life.
>
> A bogus distinction between wants and needs cannot serve as the basis
> for taking resources from those who produce them and showering them on
> parasites who don't produce enough value to buy their own medical care.

I've never known anyone who needed health care who didn't get it if
they tried. They might need to go the an emergency room and wait in
line. Or they might need to apply at the appropriate government
agency, like Medicaid, for instance, but they can get health care.

So, the argument isn't about whether or not people should be denied
health care. The argument is about who pays and how they pay and
whether we should continue to give insurance companies an exemption
from anti-trust laws so they can continue to charge whatever the
traffic will bear.

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Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 4:33 am
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Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 5:06 am
From: George

John Navas wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:59:04 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in <4ad3c27c$0$1638$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>
>> Boost offers unlimited voice, messaging, and 3G data for $50/month on
>> Sprint's CDMA network (plus garbage fees). This isn't the iDEN unlimited
>> plan on the horrible Nextel network. The downsides are a) to use a smart
>> phone requires some convoluted actions to get it activated and b) there
>> is no roaming off of Sprint's limited native network.
>
> Sprint's own network is actually quite good.
>
That wouldn't be the case within say 200 miles of me. Also Sprint is
stuck on 1,900 MHz which has less building penetration and range. I am
sure you can produce a cite from the "Navas Group" which will claim that
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Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 5:57 am
From: martin

On Oct 12, 8:19 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Illegal Immigration: A Culture of Corruption
> By Ronald W. Mortensen, October 12, 2009
>
> At a time when 83% of Americans view government corruption as a very
> important problem, isn't it time that we stop fostering a culture of
> corruption by failing to control illegal immigration?
>
> Most illegal aliens come from countries where corruption is rampant.
> In 2008, the average corruption score of the ten countries with the
> largest number of their citizens residing illegally in the United
> States was 3.43 out of a possible ten signifying a serious to rampant
> level of corruption.
>
> Corruption is involved in virtually everything illegal aliens do. They
> either sneak into the United States or lie to consular and immigration
> officials in order to obtain visas and legal entry. Once in the United
> States, they quickly commit felonies when they obtain and use
> fraudulent documents, perjure themselves on I-9 forms, and steal the
> identities of millions of American men, women and children in order to
> get jobs.
>
> Illegal aliens have an exceptionally high incidence of drunk driving
> infractions. They drive without licenses and without auto insurance.
> Their advocates try to blackmail public officials into giving them
> driver's licenses by essentially telling them that "If you don't give
> us licenses, we will drive anyway and we won't buy auto insurance. We
> will have auto accidents and we will flee the scene. We may even kill
> you. So you had better give us what we want or else."
>
> Apologists for illegal aliens reveal just how corrupting the system is
> when they cave in to this blackmail and blame American citizens for
> illegal alien crimes. Commenting on a proposal to repeal Utah's
> Driving Privilege Card for illegal aliens, a former Utah state
> legislator said "So if we repeal them [the Driving Privilege Cards]
> what we're going to do is we're going to make all these people drive
> illegally. They're not going to have insurance, so therefore when they
> hit somebody on the road they're just going to take off and run."
>
> This corruption extends to law enforcement agencies that ignore the
> legal status of individuals as well as many serious crimes committed
> by illegal aliens in order to maintain good relations with the illegal
> immigrant community. Rather than upholding the law and prosecuting and
> deporting drunk drivers, identity thieves, tax cheats, and a myriad of
> other illegal alien criminals, law enforcement officials ignore legal
> status and give illegal aliens a pass on many crimes in order to gain
> their trust.
>
> In Utah, at an immigration rally, the state's Attorney General went so
> far as to publicly tell the illegal aliens present, 75% of whom were
> likely using false Social Security numbers along with identities
> belonging to tens of thousands of Utah children, that he would not
> arrest them.
>
> Sanctuary cities offer protection to illegal aliens who are committing
> serious felonies including drug and human trafficking, identity theft
> and gang related violent crime. Universities allow illegal aliens to
> benefit from in-state tuition in spite of the fact that many of these
> students are committing serious felonies in order to get jobs to pay
> for their tuition.
>
> Religious leaders actively court illegal aliens. They tell them in
> effect, "Join with us and go forth and continue to commit document
> fraud, perjury on I-9 forms, and identity theft in order to get jobs.
> Drive without licenses and insurance. Corrupt other people's medical
> records with life threatening consequences. Lie and cheat every day as
> you go about your lives in the United States."
>
> These spiritual leaders put the interests of illegal aliens ahead of
> the rule of law and the American men, women, and innocent children who
> are the victims of their crimes. This is not only corrupt; it is cruel
> to both the illegal aliens who learn that crime is acceptable in the
> eyes of the church and to American citizens who are the victims of
> their crimes.
>
> The corruption extends to the Social Security Administration and
> Internal Revenue Service. Both of these governmental entities place
> the collection of taxes ahead of protecting American citizens from
> illegal alien driven identity theft and document fraud even though
> they know this is occurring. As a former director of the IRS said: "We
> want your money whether you are here legally or not and whether you
> earned it legally or not."
>
> This is just the tip of the iceberg. The corruption extends to banks
> that cater to illegal aliens in order to enhance their bottom lines.
> It extends to chambers of commerce and to the world's largest
> professional human resource association as they actively work to
> prevent the federal and state governments from requiring employers to
> use E-Verify that would protect millions of American children from
> illegal alien driven identity theft. It extends to the corrupt
> landscape contractor, to the family that hires an illegal housekeeper
> and even to those of us who do business with companies that refuse to
> use E-Verify.
>
> There are many things that we must do if we are to effectively address
> corruption in America. A good starting point would be to end the
> culture of corruption that surrounds illegal immigration by enforcing
> our borders, requiring all employers to use E-Verify, aggressively
> prosecuting all illegal alien driven document fraud and identity
> theft, and by refusing to succumb to blackmail by illegal aliens

Picture members of Congress slithering from desk to desk trying to
fiqure a way to give the illegal alien lobby everything it wants
without
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