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TOPIC: Belt buckle
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:01 am
From: "SteveB"

"Leo Lichtman" <leo.lichtman@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Leon Fisk" wrote: You must have a tough time trying to prove that thing
> is
>> really 10 inches, unless of course you made a custom tape
>> too :)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Me. to pretty girl stranger: "Would you like me to prove I have 10
> inches?"
> She: "Get lost, creep."
> Money pent on fake tape measure--wasted.
>

Maybe that's "dog inches".

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TOPIC: Sell shoes nike adidas converse
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2d450fc579073dee?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: OT Flag Burning.. should be of interest
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/40ba28aaf1eca8ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:19 am
From: Kirk Gordon

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
> news:uiZxm.21393$Fg7.1784@newsfe03.iad...
>
>>Kirk Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Lemme see if I've got this straight. We've sent brave men and women
>>>>>to fight and die for the benefit of a country full of third world minds
>>>>>that don't have a clue what freedom or rights are all about. We tell
>>>>>ourselves, and our troops, that they're actually fighting to protect
>>>>>OUR rights and freedoms, and things like the rule of law, due process,
>>>>>etc. Then we think it's a good thing when someone attempts to "honor"
>>>>>our troops by ignoring the rule of law, forgetting about due process,
>>>>>and imposing a punishment that no US court would order.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the reason for all this is that a VFW post commander and Viet Nam
>>>>>war veteran is worried about kids in a foxhole who have "no one to set
>>>>>them free". He's right about that. None of us will ever be free until
>>>>>we realize that patriotism is a rational, reasoned commitment to
>>>>>something that makes sense, and not a license to use slogans and flags
>>>>>to justify destructive nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>KG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Odd that you missed the fact that the kid did the punishment
>>>>Voluntarily.
>>>>
>>>>Why did you miss that?
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess because what you posted said "...the man was FORCED to sit in
>>>the sun pilloried for six hours..."
>>>
>>> The fact that the guy was contrite or remorseful doesn't mean this was
>>>truly voluntary, or even close to it.
>>>
>>> Since neither of us knows the details of the whole story, my guess
>>>about what really happened is as valid as yours. And my guess is that
>>>the guy was told either to accept the VFW's version of injustice, or face
>>>prosecution. I'm no lawyer; but that sounds to me like blackmail, which
>>>adds still ANOTHER crime to the list.
>>>
>>
>>Blackmail?
>>
>>Sounds to me like local people arriving at an agreement for restitution.
>>The 'victim' wronged them. They offered to drop the issue if he would
>>publicly relent. He did.
>>
>>It's called freedom and liberty.
>>
>>According to you that's not only wrong but it's illegal!
>
>
> Let's see if we can explain something that will get through your thick
> skull. Imagine the same circumstances, only instead of a 21-year-old young
> man, it was a 21-year-old young woman. Same transgression, same everything.
> Except that her "choice three" is to have sex with three or four of the
> barstool warmers at the VFW.
>
> She agrees; they have sex; she's physically fine afterward, and everyone
> goes on their way.
>
> Now, here's the question for you, Strabo: When they catch the guys, how many
> years do they wind up spending in prison?
>
> No fair peeking. Just give us your answer. Now we'll find out if you
> understand the principle of coercion, or if you're off your rocker. This
> situation is an exect legal parallel to the one you're talking about.
>
> I'll wait.
>

If what you're waiting for is an actual answer, reasoned and logical
and self consistent, then I hope you packed a lunch.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:27 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Kirk Gordon" <kg1@gordon-eng2.com> wrote in message
news:4AC8BCEC.4030500@gordon-eng2.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>> news:uiZxm.21393$Fg7.1784@newsfe03.iad...
>>
>>>Kirk Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Lemme see if I've got this straight. We've sent brave men and women
>>>>>> to fight and die for the benefit of a country full of third world
>>>>>> minds that don't have a clue what freedom or rights are all about.
>>>>>> We tell ourselves, and our troops, that they're actually fighting to
>>>>>> protect OUR rights and freedoms, and things like the rule of law, due
>>>>>> process, etc. Then we think it's a good thing when someone attempts
>>>>>> to "honor" our troops by ignoring the rule of law, forgetting about
>>>>>> due process, and imposing a punishment that no US court would order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the reason for all this is that a VFW post commander and Viet
>>>>>> Nam war veteran is worried about kids in a foxhole who have "no one
>>>>>> to set them free". He's right about that. None of us will ever be
>>>>>> free until we realize that patriotism is a rational, reasoned
>>>>>> commitment to something that makes sense, and not a license to use
>>>>>> slogans and flags to justify destructive nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>KG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Odd that you missed the fact that the kid did the punishment
>>>>>Voluntarily.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did you miss that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess because what you posted said "...the man was FORCED to sit in
>>>> the sun pilloried for six hours..."
>>>>
>>>> The fact that the guy was contrite or remorseful doesn't mean this
>>>> was truly voluntary, or even close to it.
>>>>
>>>> Since neither of us knows the details of the whole story, my guess
>>>> about what really happened is as valid as yours. And my guess is that
>>>> the guy was told either to accept the VFW's version of injustice, or
>>>> face prosecution. I'm no lawyer; but that sounds to me like blackmail,
>>>> which adds still ANOTHER crime to the list.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Blackmail?
>>>
>>>Sounds to me like local people arriving at an agreement for restitution.
>>>The 'victim' wronged them. They offered to drop the issue if he would
>>>publicly relent. He did.
>>>
>>>It's called freedom and liberty.
>>>
>>>According to you that's not only wrong but it's illegal!
>>
>>
>> Let's see if we can explain something that will get through your thick
>> skull. Imagine the same circumstances, only instead of a 21-year-old
>> young man, it was a 21-year-old young woman. Same transgression, same
>> everything. Except that her "choice three" is to have sex with three or
>> four of the barstool warmers at the VFW.
>>
>> She agrees; they have sex; she's physically fine afterward, and everyone
>> goes on their way.
>>
>> Now, here's the question for you, Strabo: When they catch the guys, how
>> many years do they wind up spending in prison?
>>
>> No fair peeking. Just give us your answer. Now we'll find out if you
>> understand the principle of coercion, or if you're off your rocker. This
>> situation is an exect legal parallel to the one you're talking about.
>>
>> I'll wait.
>>
>
>
> If what you're waiting for is an actual answer, reasoned and logical and
> self consistent, then I hope you packed a lunch.
>
> KG

I'm not, but it's interesting to see what ideologues do when they meet
themselves coming around a corner. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:33 am
From: "HH&C"

On Oct 3, 11:52 am, Kirk Gordon <k...@gordon-eng2.com> wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> >> Lemme see if I've got this straight. We've sent brave men and women
> >>to fight and die for the benefit of a country full of third world minds
> >>that don't have a clue what freedom or rights are all about. We tell
> >>ourselves, and our troops, that they're actually fighting to protect OUR
> >>rights and freedoms, and things like the rule of law, due process, etc.
> >> Then we think it's a good thing when someone attempts to "honor" our
> >>troops by ignoring the rule of law, forgetting about due process, and
> >>imposing a punishment that no US court would order.
>
> >> And the reason for all this is that a VFW post commander and Viet
> >>Nam war veteran is worried about kids in a foxhole who have "no one to
> >>set them free". He's right about that. None of us will ever be free
> >>until we realize that patriotism is a rational, reasoned commitment to
> >>something that makes sense, and not a license to use slogans and flags
> >>to justify destructive nonsense.
>
> >>KG
>
> > Odd that you missed the fact that the kid did the punishment
> > Voluntarily.
>
> > Why did you miss that?
>
> I guess because what you posted said "...the man was FORCED to sit
> in the sun pilloried for six hours..."
>
> The fact that the guy was contrite or remorseful doesn't mean this
> was truly voluntary, or even close to it.

And so begins the excuses for why Johnny can't read or behave
himself. Sheesh!

> Since neither of us knows the details of the whole story, my guess
> about what really happened is as valid as yours. And my guess is that
> the guy was told either to accept the VFW's version of injustice, or
> face prosecution. I'm no lawyer; but that sounds to me like blackmail,
> which adds still ANOTHER crime to the list.

I don't care. What I care about is that they worked it out themselves
and Johnny isn't in jail being watched by a $55,000/yr guard, with a
$45,000/yr locksmith, a $140,000/yr nurse, a $38,000/yr receptionist,
and a $110,000/yr administrator. Then follow that up with a year with
a $40,000 probation officer.

> And, as Ed pointed out so well, the commission (or even just the
> allegation) of a crime isn't about what the involved parties agree to.
> The law itself takes an interest; and the issue is protecting the
> community as a whole, not just satisfying the victims' twisted idea of
> "justice".

Indeed. The community can go broke with your kind of justice. Fully
one third (1/3 or 0.33...) of Ohio's GRF goes to the judicial system
and the prison system. I'd say VFW justice did that community a lot
of good in the short term and the long run.

And if it's true that 1/3 of convicted felons are illegals, we should
turn them back to their fatherland with an agreement that they serve
the remainder of their term. We pay their fatherland $5,000/yr or
whatever is agreeable to imprison them.

Thanks for asking.

> KG

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TOPIC: Full-Court Press by White House Fails
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f0d35ab34451224d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:23 am
From: "Compact Adolescent"

"Strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
news:_c_xm.15288$ma7.8522@newsfe04.iad...
> Bill Noble wrote:
>>
>> "Phil Amint" <aphil@bulb.cfl> wrote in message
>> news:ha8h0g$fmh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I heard that some liberal media outlets were saying that this was a ploy
>>> by Obama to meet with General Stanley McChrystal. However I also heard
>>> that the General was in London before that. Couldn't Obama have just
>>> gone to London to meet with him? Why screw up the Olympics for America?
>>
>> isn't it just possible that the olympic comittee thought that it was
>> time, after all these years to have the games in South America?
>
> Some probably did. However, the choice of where to hold the Olympics
> is supposed to be based on criteria other than pity.
>
>
> >
> > What do
>> you mean "screw up the olympics for america" can you explian?
> >
>
> 1. It's inappropriate for the president of the US to beg for the
> Olympics.
>
> 2. It's even more inappropriate for the president to act as
> public relations and sales for a US city.
>
> 3. Chicago was an extremely poor choice.
>
> 4. Obama's timing could not have been worse.
>
> The association of the White House and the US with Obama's ties to ACORN
> and Chicago crime and corruption, paint a negative image of the US.
> This may effect future consideration for holding the Olympics in the
> US.
>

Obama loaded up a plane of delegates that included Mayor Daley as perhaps
the only white person on the plane, and sent them to Europe to preach about
diversity. In racist Europe, the committee got freaked out as the delegation
deplaned onto Euro soil, and moved quickly to rid themselves of this motley
crew. Europe's diversity experience had only dealt with choosing light beer,
or dark beer. Red wine or white. Wheat bread or rye. It took a polling of
only 18 votes to throw the Chicago mob out of Europe on their asses. AND
DON'T COME BACK!!!!

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TOPIC: 1.5 million Sold ... Palin's title: 'Every Whore Has Her Price'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b96519b827776ab3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:25 am
From: "Compact Adolescent"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cfbe120d-2f3d-4a55-be47-9e30cdc440cf@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 4, 12:34 am, "Compact Adolescent" <not_...@bright.duh> wrote:
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:0a0cf8c1-fd05-4d26-9b6f-51da4c6d7e03@d23g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 3, 1:57 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
>> > dog.com> wrote:
>> >> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 2, 11:33 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sep 28, 11:38 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> Levi Johnston, who broke off an engagement to Palin's daughter,
>> >> >>> Bristol, says in the latest Vanity Fair Magazine that Palin
>> >> >>> resigned
>> >> >>> as governor so that she could cash in on her newfound fame.
>> >> >>> He wrote, "She had talked about how nice it would be to take some
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> this money people had been offering us and, you know, just run
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> it, say 'forget everything else.' " A spokesman for Sarah Palin
>> >> >>> denies
>> >> >>> this, but actions speak louder than words.
>> >> >>> Palins' actions prove Levi knows what he's talking about.
>> >> >>> Sarah...the money grabbing bimbo.
>> >> >>> The Typical Winger.
>> >> >>> Note that she said that money was NOT the reason for her quitting
>> >> >>> her
>> >> >>> job as Governor of Alaska.
>> >> >>> In other words....SHE LIED.
>> >> >>> Again...The Typical Winger.
>> >> >> Lessee you "know" she lied because...well...one of your lib pals
>> >> >> said
>> >> >> he thought she did. Yeah that's proof alright.
>>
>> >> >> Why do you liberals hate powerful women so much? I take it you'd
>> >> >> never stand working for a woman boss. You'd have to go do some
>> >> >> drugs
>> >> >> to deal with that thought. I sure wish you'd explain to me how it
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> you can find another man's reeking hairy ass so damn attractive you
>> >> >> fall in love with it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> > Is that why you as a conservative LOVE a strong powerful woman like
>> >> > Hillary?
>>
>> >> Whining and Bitchy.... does *NOT* equal strong and powerful.
>>
>> >> Hillary is not someone who I would think of as strong and any power
>> >> she
>> >> thinks she has, is in her imagination.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > LOL...you are so damn stupid.
>>
>> > Hillary Clinton...Secretary of State
>>
>> > Sarah Palin...QUITTER and UNEMPLOYED
>>
>> > TMT
>>
>> Dang, she's unemployed and making more money than the Hillasaurus! Why
>> can't
>> your mommies write any books?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> LOL...do you think that she reports all that income or does her pimp
> take it all?
>
> TMT

Your mommies pimp says that he is barely scraping by on the poor incomes
generated by your mommies. He suggests that you get a couple more mommies.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:27 am
From: "Compact Adolescent"

"Buford Pusser" <hoofhearted07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:74d21ecf-a8ee-45db-8bb0-6bd8e7083267@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 3, 12:48 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 11:33 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 28, 11:38 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Levi Johnston, who broke off an engagement to Palin's daughter,
>> > > Bristol, says in the latest Vanity Fair Magazine that Palin resigned
>> > > as governor so that she could cash in on her newfound fame.
>>
>> > > He wrote, "She had talked about how nice it would be to take some of
>> > > this money people had been offering us and, you know, just run with
>> > > it, say 'forget everything else.' " A spokesman for Sarah Palin
>> > > denies
>> > > this, but actions speak louder than words.
>>
>> > > Palins' actions prove Levi knows what he's talking about.
>>
>> > > Sarah...the money grabbing bimbo.
>>
>> > > The Typical Winger.
>>
>> > > Note that she said that money was NOT the reason for her quitting her
>> > > job as Governor of Alaska.
>>
>> > > In other words....SHE LIED.
>>
>> > > Again...The Typical Winger.
>>
>> > Lessee you "know" she lied because...well...one of your lib pals said
>> > he thought she did. Yeah that's proof alright.
>>
>> > Why do you liberals hate powerful women so much? I take it you'd
>> > never stand working for a woman boss. You'd have to go do some drugs
>> > to deal with that thought. I sure wish you'd explain to me how it is
>> > you can find another man's reeking hairy ass so damn attractive you
>> > fall in love with it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
> Too Many Stools rubbed his potbelly and farted:
>
>> Is that why you as a conservative LOVE a strong powerful woman like
>> Hillary?
>>
> Hillary is a lying,conniving,power hungry bitch. Is that why you
> voted for her?? she reminds of your mother??
>

Which mother? The fat ugly one or the ugly fat one? TMT has two mommies!

>
>> As for a man's ass, it sounds like you are voicing a common
>> conservative fantasy aka The Larry Craig Syndrone.
>>
>
> And all you Obobots have the Larry Sinclair syndrome??
>
>
>> You wingers are such hypocrites.
>>
> And you Bots are such hypocrites AND liars !!
>
>> TMT- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

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TOPIC: Unhinged Right Wing
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:36 am
From: miguel

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:30:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:56:38 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <ha8udv$ge9$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
>>mungge@mungge.com says...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:31:32 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <smcdc5po5gv7l6i6ahbpae9ov54b3kfk7n@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>>> >@sneakemail.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:27:46 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>>> >> writing:
>>> >>
>>> >> >In article <8tlac5hfckve8b7t4e6fs4fcepm498rvhi@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>>> >> >@sneakemail.com says...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:32:07 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>>> >> >> writing:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >In article <jk18c5lempcj59sd57c20tiikruolvcvee@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>>> >> >> >@sneakemail.com says...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:15:20 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> >> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>>> >> >> >> writing:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >In article <idp7c51ao5ujc6hqdf0ra9jllrvv9d5qhk@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>>> >> >> >> >@sneakemail.com says...
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:22:10 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> >> >> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>>> >> >> >> >> writing:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >As long as Obama allows health care reform to be called "ObamaCare" with
>>> >> >> >> >> >no objection then he owns it.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> BWAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> The wingnuts lie and it is Obama's fault because he won't recogize
>>> >> >> >> >> their lie.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1914973,00.html
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/the-rally-against-obamaca_b_
>>> >> >> >> >294247.html
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Better tell Arianna to stop using it then..
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >So Firmly taken root that even the major media uses the term now..
>>> >> >That must just chap your hide..
>>> >>
>>> >> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>>> >
>>> >And it chaps your ass his grand sceme will go down in flames because of
>>> >it.
>>>
>>> You mean the grand scheme that 2/3ds of all americans support?
>>
>>You need to pay closer attention.. it's less than 50% and dropping
>>daily.
>
>Dropping like a lead sinker down a deep dry well.....
>
>
Please cite a source for this.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:39 am
From: Laff@alot.com

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:30:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

>>You need to pay closer attention.. it's less than 50% and dropping
>>daily.
>
>Dropping like a lead sinker down a deep dry well.....
>
>

So's your current event's IQ, stupid

If the GOP had ANYTHING in the last 6 months to offer
that was causing the shift BACK to them---it's simply
not there

Therefore, even a fucking moron like you should be able
to figure out that Obama's "ratings" are being lowrered
because he's not been able to do MORE to counter what
you dumb assholes caused.

That isn't a plus your your side, dummy.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:43 am
From: miguel

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:55:24 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <ha97ip$iu2$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
>mungge@mungge.com says...
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:56:38 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <ha8udv$ge9$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
>> >mungge@mungge.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:31:32 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <smcdc5po5gv7l6i6ahbpae9ov54b3kfk7n@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>> >> >@sneakemail.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:27:46 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> >> >> writing:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <8tlac5hfckve8b7t4e6fs4fcepm498rvhi@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>> >> >> >@sneakemail.com says...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:32:07 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> >> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> >> >> >> writing:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >In article <jk18c5lempcj59sd57c20tiikruolvcvee@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>> >> >> >> >@sneakemail.com says...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:15:20 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> >> >> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> >> >> >> >> writing:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >In article <idp7c51ao5ujc6hqdf0ra9jllrvv9d5qhk@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>> >> >> >> >> >@sneakemail.com says...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:22:10 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> >> >> >> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> >> >> >> >> >> writing:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >As long as Obama allows health care reform to be called "ObamaCare" with
>> >> >> >> >> >> >no objection then he owns it.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> BWAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The wingnuts lie and it is Obama's fault because he won't recogize
>> >> >> >> >> >> their lie.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1914973,00.html
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/the-rally-against-obamaca_b_
>> >> >> >> >> >294247.html
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Better tell Arianna to stop using it then..
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >So Firmly taken root that even the major media uses the term now..
>> >> >> >That must just chap your hide..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>> >> >
>> >> >And it chaps your ass his grand sceme will go down in flames because of
>> >> >it.
>> >>
>> >> You mean the grand scheme that 2/3ds of all americans support?
>> >
>> >You need to pay closer attention.. it's less than 50% and dropping
>> >daily.
>>
>> You're getting your facts from FOX news. FOX news is a no fact zone.
>
>You would be wrong.
>Again
>
>Rasmussen poll
>http://tinyurl.com/qxz287
>"Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President
>Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of
>U.S. voters now favor the plan. That?s down five points from two weeks
>ago and down eight points from six weeks ago."
>
>And that was early August..
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=8373563

That poll has changed only 1 percent since then. On the other hand,
look at this poll:

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE58T0MY20090930

You can see that the problem is that the propaganda wing of the
Republican Party has been spreading fear and lies about such things as
"death panels" and the like. Americans are clearly willing to be taxed
more for better health care, but the liars on the right are fueling
skepticism. Liars like you.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:40 am
From: Laff@alot.com

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:55:24 -0700, tankfixer
<paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President
>Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of
>U.S. voters now favor the plan.

You'd sure scream if $2-3 million a DAY were being
spent to support his plan---wouldn't you?

Yet when that amout is being spent by the very
institutions that caused this mess in the first
place---you don't seem to get it.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:48 am
From: "John R. Carroll"

tankfixer wrote:
> In article <ha97ip$iu2$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
> mungge@mungge.com says...
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:56:38 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <ha8udv$ge9$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
>>> mungge@mungge.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:31:32 -0700, tankfixer
>>>> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <smcdc5po5gv7l6i6ahbpae9ov54b3kfk7n@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>>>>> @sneakemail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:27:46 -0700, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double
>>>>>> secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <8tlac5hfckve8b7t4e6fs4fcepm498rvhi@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>> a6ahlyv02 @sneakemail.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:32:07 -0700, in the land of
>>>>>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got
>>>>>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <jk18c5lempcj59sd57c20tiikruolvcvee@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>> a6ahlyv02 @sneakemail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:15:20 -0700, in the land of
>>>>>>>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got
>>>>>>>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <idp7c51ao5ujc6hqdf0ra9jllrvv9d5qhk@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> a6ahlyv02 @sneakemail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:22:10 -0700, in the land of
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got
>>>>>>>>>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as Obama allows health care reform to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ObamaCare" with no objection then he owns it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BWAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The wingnuts lie and it is Obama's fault because he won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> recogize their lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1914973,00.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/the-rally-against-obamaca_b_
>>>>>>>>>>> 294247.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Better tell Arianna to stop using it then..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So Firmly taken root that even the major media uses the term
>>>>>>> now.. That must just chap your hide..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is still an invention of the wingnuts, you retard.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it chaps your ass his grand sceme will go down in flames
>>>>> because of it.
>>>>
>>>> You mean the grand scheme that 2/3ds of all americans support?
>>>
>>> You need to pay closer attention.. it's less than 50% and dropping
>>> daily.
>>
>> You're getting your facts from FOX news. FOX news is a no fact zone.
>
> You would be wrong.
> Again
>
> Rasmussen poll
> http://tinyurl.com/qxz287
> "Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President
> Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42%
> of
> U.S. voters now favor the plan. That?s down five points from two weeks
> ago and down eight points from six weeks ago."
>
> And that was early August..
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=8373563

A quarter of the American people (26 percent, to be exact), according to
Friday morning's New York Times/CBS News poll, believe that the health-care
reform bills floating around Congress will create governmental death panels,
while just 23 percent say they won't. Another 30 percent believe that the
bills will allow federal tax dollars to go towards the purchase of insurance
by illegal immigrants, while just 22 percent say they won't. The right-wing
noise machine has evidently reached many right-wing ears.

But here's the stunner: In the very same poll, respondents were asked
whether they favored a Medicare-like public option for everyone. The
right-wingers were out there in roughly the same numbers that they
registered in answering the other questions: 26 percent of respondents said
they opposed the public option. But a whopping 65 supported it.

Think about that. The public option has been demonized non-stop for the past
half-year; it's the key to the Republican charge that instituting such a
program is tantamount to bringing socialism to America. They have clearly
rallied the Republican base to this position, just as they rallied the base
to fear the coming of death panels and publicly-subsidized immigrant care.
But whereas pluralities of Americans simply said they didn't know enough to
believe one thing or the other about death panels and immigrant care,
virtually all Americans not in the Republican base support the public
option.

Here, the question isn't whether the bills working their way through
Congress say X or Y. The question is whether a public option would be a good
deal for the American people, and the American people have answered that it
would. They have surely heard the claims that it would be the socialist nose
in the capitalist tent, and the only logical inference is that they actually
support socialism (not too likely) or that they don't think it would
constitute an embrace of socialism -- at least, no more than such other
government programs as Medicare or public utilities have constituted that.

Since Republican legislators represent the 26 percent of Americans opposed
to the public option, their opposition to same poses no mystery. The
conundrum is why some Democrats -- all save those from the most right-wing
districts -- oppose it. When The Post's uber-policy blogger Ezra Klein asked
North Dakota Democratic Senator Kent Conrad yesterday why he didn't support
the public option, Conrad replied, "I don't think a government-run plan best
fits this culture." In Conrad's mind, such as it is, American culture doesn'
t seem to be shaped by the American people.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/those_socialist_americ
ans.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

--
John R. Carroll

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:55 am
From: miguel

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:55:24 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
wrote:

Scott Rasmussen: Official Pollster for Fox News.

http://www.fair.org/blog/2009/04/01/rasmussen-poll-advances-new-world-order-paranoia/

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TOPIC: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:41 am
From: "Compact Adolescent"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ac82949$0$22548$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> "Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:i1Sxm.6$J61.4@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Ed, what is with you and John lately? You both are sliding into the
>>>> gutter with your
>>>> responses.
>>>>
>>>> Wes
>>>
>>>Testing Adolescent's cool. He reacts in a funny way. It looks like he's
>>>had
>>>it too easy for a while, and I'm just trying to provoke him. d8-)
>>>
>>>This is Whac-a-Mole with righties, Wes. It's the only entertainment left
>>>in
>>>this place, thanks to Cliff and a couple of others who keep
>>>cross-posting.
>>
>> If Cliff and TMT left this world or found other interests, this group
>> would come back to
>> life. While I like the relative anonymity of Usenet, I'm starting to
>> think maybe we
>> should all declare who we are.
>>
>> I also wonder how many psychologists are researching Usenet and behavior.
>> It seems to
>> bring out the worst in some people.
>>
>> I'm even filtering right wingers out if they are not metalworking
>> participants at RCM or
>> AMC.
>>
>> If only we could learn to stop feeding the trolls. Myself included.
>>
>>
>> Wes
>
> Wes, take a look at a few patterns that have emerged lately. Adolescent
> isn't responding with a list of NGs that happens to include RCM: he
> CREATES new posts, one after another, with RCM in the list. He's actively
> inserting RCM into the distributions. That's why I have no respect for
> him, and feel free to say anything to him that reflects my annoyance. d8-)
>
> And a few weeks ago you, or someone else, trimmed a distro from a thread
> that Cliff had created, leaving just RCM on it, and Cliff responded with
> all of the other NGs pasted back on.
>
> Also note that Adolescent got no responses from RCM for a long time but he
> continued to include RCM in his distro lists. He's operating like a
> spammer; once a NG is on there, he keeps using it. It's a numbers game for
> him.
>
> There is no way that non-response is going to affect these people.
> Trolling has morphed into something that's more like spamming. They aren't
> looking for an argument so much as a forum for plastering their views up
> on the wall, like posters in a subway. Cliff, Adolescent, and one or two
> others are creating threads to provoke and to insult other people, and
> they don't care when or if anyone responds from those groups. If they
> don't get enough response to indicate that they're getting under someone's
> skin, they just start new, more provocative threads.
>
> You aren't going to get rid of them, least of all by ignoring them.
> They'll just turn up the noise level until they get a response or two.
> That's all it takes to keep them going. And if no one responds, they just
> keep starting new threads.
>
> Adolescent has picked up one of Gunner's old habits, cutting and pasting
> lengthy diatribes from the right-wing media. He's not looking for
> arguments at all. You can tell he isn't really into that part of it. What
> he's "into" is spreading his obnoxious polemics around Usenet.
>
> I have several people, one from RCM, in my bozo bin and they've all been
> there for over a year. But they keep "leaking" through. Often it's because
> someone from another NG responded to them -- something which no amount of
> discipline on our part will stop.
>
> The effect, to me, is to seriously foul the air and the mood in this
> place. It's really become obnoxious, especially since the right wing has
> taken off on a rampage against the new administration. These people are
> among the most loutish, juvenile, and selfish creeps I've ever seen. In
> that atmosphere, good on-topic discussions tend to have a short life and
> to go through a transformation into name-calling with amazing speed.
>
> So I'm not really here in spirit. I welcome the few worthwhile things that
> get through the noise, but Usenet is near death as it is, and I'm getting
> ready to move out and find another place to talk. Maybe I'll follow Jim
> Rozen. Meantime, I may hammer on the Whac-a-Moles from time to time,
> because it really has no effect, except to relieve some annoyance. I'm
> really tempted to take the gloves off and see how much Adolescent can
> take. d8-)
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
>

Whack a mole? The only thing Ed whacks off is himself. I have asked many
times in this group to put your spammers on a shorter leash. That includes
TMT, Cliff, and now for some reason Ed Cunt in a dress. You choose to spill
your spam into m.s., I just forward it back here where it belongs. I have
never seen a post from this group reprimanding either TMT or Cliff for
cross-posting their racist bigoted crap into m.s.

Childish Ed Cunt in a dress freely admits that this is fun for him, good,
let him enjoy the fun. He's another troll that you let run off leash and
shit in m.s. I'm just throwing the shit back over the fence. Keep your
trolls on a shorter leash and you will see the cross-posting go away. FWIW,
r.c.m. is only experiencing a small fraction of what we experience from your
trolls. Have a nice day.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:42 am
From: "Compact Adolescent"

"Bill Noble" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:ha9bsl$53a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4ac82949$0$22548$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> discussion snipped
>
> . I'm really
>> tempted to take the gloves off and see how much Adolescent can take. d8-)
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> the problem is, as we know that without more effort than it's worth, it's
> only words - and to go seek out Adolescent, or any of the other "special
> people" and to actually show them how annoying they are, would probably be
> a violation of some laws. Even in Texas, the "he needed killing" defense
> seems weaker when the intenet is in the middle. And, forensics being what
> they are, implanting a digital reward would probably not remain anonymous.
> But maybe we can take a lesson from Gandalf, in the Hobbit, where he saves
> Bilbo and the others in the party by tricking the trolls into arguing with
> themselves until the sun comes up, at which time they are turned into
> stone. Maybe some sunshine on the trolls....

Recording for my records.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:53 am
From: "Phil Amint"

"Compact Adolescent" <not_too@bright.duh> wrote in message
news:4ac8c243@news.x-privat.org...
>
>
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4ac82949$0$22548$607ed4bc@cv.net...

>> So I'm not really here in spirit. I welcome the few worthwhile things
>> that get through the noise, but Usenet is near death as it is, and I'm
>> getting ready to move out and find another place to talk. Maybe I'll
>> follow Jim Rozen. Meantime, I may hammer on the Whac-a-Moles from time to
>> time, because it really has no effect, except to relieve some annoyance.
>> I'm really tempted to take the gloves off and see how much Adolescent can
>> take. d8-)
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>>
>
> Whack a mole? The only thing Ed whacks off is himself. I have asked many
> times in this group to put your spammers on a shorter leash. That includes
> TMT, Cliff, and now for some reason Ed Cunt in a dress. You choose to
> spill your spam into m.s., I just forward it back here where it belongs. I
> have never seen a post from this group reprimanding either TMT or Cliff
> for cross-posting their racist bigoted crap into m.s.
>
> Childish Ed Cunt in a dress freely admits that this is fun for him, good,
> let him enjoy the fun. He's another troll that you let run off leash and
> shit in m.s. I'm just throwing the shit back over the fence. Keep your
> trolls on a shorter leash and you will see the cross-posting go away.
> FWIW, r.c.m. is only experiencing a small fraction of what we experience
> from your trolls. Have a nice day.

I've been lurking, but I guess it's time to speak up. This CA character has
a very good point. The m.s. group which is one of my favorites has been
over-run with spam from this group. The suspects seem top be Cliff and TMT
who post to many newsgroups at the same time.

While I don't like seeing the spam here in rec.crafts.metalworking, I can't
say that I blame the misc.survivalism crew from taking out their
frustrations on us. Cliff, TMT and now Ed and John Carroll (not mentioned
earlier, but is also a participant) are all belong to us, and we have
ignored requests to try to keep them in check. So quit posting off-topic to
their newsgroup and lets see if the spam eases up as CA seems to be saying
it will.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:53 am
From: "Phil Amint"

"Compact Adolescent" <not_too@bright.duh> wrote in message
news:4ac8c243@news.x-privat.org...
>
>
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4ac82949$0$22548$607ed4bc@cv.net...

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:05 am
From: "Compact Adolescent"

"Phil Amint" <aphil@bulb.cfl> wrote in message
news:haagei$jo2$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> "Compact Adolescent" <not_too@bright.duh> wrote in message
> news:4ac8c243@news.x-privat.org...
>>
>>
>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:4ac82949$0$22548$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>>> So I'm not really here in spirit. I welcome the few worthwhile things
>>> that get through the noise, but Usenet is near death as it is, and I'm
>>> getting ready to move out and find another place to talk. Maybe I'll
>>> follow Jim Rozen. Meantime, I may hammer on the Whac-a-Moles from time
>>> to
>>> time, because it really has no effect, except to relieve some annoyance.
>>> I'm really tempted to take the gloves off and see how much Adolescent
>>> can
>>> take. d8-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Huntress
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Whack a mole? The only thing Ed whacks off is himself. I have asked many
>> times in this group to put your spammers on a shorter leash. That
>> includes
>> TMT, Cliff, and now for some reason Ed Cunt in a dress. You choose to
>> spill your spam into m.s., I just forward it back here where it belongs.
>> I
>> have never seen a post from this group reprimanding either TMT or Cliff
>> for cross-posting their racist bigoted crap into m.s.
>>
>> Childish Ed Cunt in a dress freely admits that this is fun for him, good,
>> let him enjoy the fun. He's another troll that you let run off leash and
>> shit in m.s. I'm just throwing the shit back over the fence. Keep your
>> trolls on a shorter leash and you will see the cross-posting go away.
>> FWIW, r.c.m. is only experiencing a small fraction of what we experience
>> from your trolls. Have a nice day.
>
>
> I've been lurking, but I guess it's time to speak up. This CA character
> has
> a very good point. The m.s. group which is one of my favorites has been
> over-run with spam from this group. The suspects seem top be Cliff and TMT
> who post to many newsgroups at the same time.
>
> While I don't like seeing the spam here in rec.crafts.metalworking, I
> can't
> say that I blame the misc.survivalism crew from taking out their
> frustrations on us. Cliff, TMT and now Ed and John Carroll (not mentioned
> earlier, but is also a participant) are all belong to us, and we have
> ignored requests to try to keep them in check. So quit posting off-topic
> to
> their newsgroup and lets see if the spam eases up as CA seems to be saying
> it will.
>
>

Sorry about the double-post, still new to posting :)

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:21 am
From: "Phil Amint"

"Compact Adolescent" <not_too@bright.duh> wrote in message
news:4ac8c7c1$1@news.x-privat.org...
>
>
> "Phil Amint" <aphil@bulb.cfl> wrote in message
> news:haagei$jo2$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>
>> "Compact Adolescent" <not_too@bright.duh> wrote in message
>> news:4ac8c243@news.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4ac82949$0$22548$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>>>> So I'm not really here in spirit. I welcome the few worthwhile things
>>>> that get through the noise, but Usenet is near death as it is, and I'm
>>>> getting ready to move out and find another place to talk. Maybe I'll
>>>> follow Jim Rozen. Meantime, I may hammer on the Whac-a-Moles from time
>>>> to
>>>> time, because it really has no effect, except to relieve some
>>>> annoyance.
>>>> I'm really tempted to take the gloves off and see how much Adolescent
>>>> can
>>>> take. d8-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Whack a mole? The only thing Ed whacks off is himself. I have asked many
>>> times in this group to put your spammers on a shorter leash. That
>>> includes
>>> TMT, Cliff, and now for some reason Ed Cunt in a dress. You choose to
>>> spill your spam into m.s., I just forward it back here where it belongs.
>>> I
>>> have never seen a post from this group reprimanding either TMT or Cliff
>>> for cross-posting their racist bigoted crap into m.s.
>>>
>>> Childish Ed Cunt in a dress freely admits that this is fun for him,
>>> good,
>>> let him enjoy the fun. He's another troll that you let run off leash and
>>> shit in m.s. I'm just throwing the shit back over the fence. Keep your
>>> trolls on a shorter leash and you will see the cross-posting go away.
>>> FWIW, r.c.m. is only experiencing a small fraction of what we experience
>>> from your trolls. Have a nice day.
>>
>>
>> I've been lurking, but I guess it's time to speak up. This CA character
>> has
>> a very good point. The m.s. group which is one of my favorites has been
>> over-run with spam from this group. The suspects seem top be Cliff and
>> TMT
>> who post to many newsgroups at the same time.
>>
>> While I don't like seeing the spam here in rec.crafts.metalworking, I
>> can't
>> say that I blame the misc.survivalism crew from taking out their
>> frustrations on us. Cliff, TMT and now Ed and John Carroll (not mentioned
>> earlier, but is also a participant) are all belong to us, and we have
>> ignored requests to try to keep them in check. So quit posting off-topic
>> to
>> their newsgroup and lets see if the spam eases up as CA seems to be
>> saying
>> it will.
>>
>>
>
> Sorry about the double-post, still new to posting :)

Oops! Yes, thanks.

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TOPIC: Bore sizes for automotive pulleys
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e75e21b5ae2e1a86?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 8:44 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

I bought a generator head and engine from someone who planned on
making a generator set for those times when the electrical power is
out. And I plan on finishing the project. However the seller had
misplaced the pulley for the generator. ( it is designed for belt
drive ) And the generator shaft is 24 mm. I can get a pulley and
taper hub from WW Grainger, but thought it might be cheaper to get a
pulley at the auto wrecking yard. Before I take calipers in hand and
wander thru some wrecking yards, I thought I would ask the group if
24mm is a common size for the bore of crankshaft pulleys.

Lovejoy couplings would be cheaper, but I would like to run the engine
at less than 3600 rpm.

Dan

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TOPIC: OT - Why the September Jobs Report Is So Brutal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3c19e7670c78b342?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:05 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 01:39:45 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
<buerste@wowway.com> scrawled the following:

>
>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:bea10d66-cbcf-437c-86f1-822af76e7b89@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
><snip>
>So if you have nothing to risk, why are you bitching like Sarah Palin
>in heat?
>
>TMT
>*****************************
>
>You can't read? I said I WON'T risk capital while Democrats have power.
>DAMN are you stupid!

So why continue your discourse with the fool bot, Tawm? <sigh>

--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

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TOPIC: Palin pleads guilty to burglary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/699b1d0118fc023a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:18 am
From: No Bammer

Cliff wrote:
> http://www.alaskadispatch.com/news/1-news/2237-diana-palin-pleads-guilty-to-burglary-released-for-treatment
>
> I love conservative family values.
> Don't you?

So did Jones, Smith, Brown, Sweitzenheimer etc..

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:22 am
From: No Bammer

Winston_Smith wrote:

> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:10:39 -0500, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Wow! Her husband's half-sister! Maybe you cn impeach Sarah over this.
>>>Golly, that would be cool!
>>>
>>> How do you know she's conservative?
>>>
>>> Oh, that's right. You don't.
>
>
>> http://news.spreadit.org/wasilla-assembly-of-god-churchpalin-church-video/
>> "Palin also asked the church members to pray for a $30 billion national gas
>>pipeline ... "
>> Plus her holy wars ....
>> "... sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God." "
>> "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a
>>plan and that that plan is God's plan."
>
>
> Is that meant to prove she is conservative?
>
> Carter lusted in his heart. Carter is a man of great faith.
> Is Carter a conservative?

Actually Carter is a full fledged idiot that should have been knocked in
the head when he was a pup.

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TOPIC: Glass baking tray explosion
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4f23c991407346ed?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:26 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:20:29 -0700, the infamous "Michael Koblic"
<mkoblic@uniserve.com> scrawled the following:

>
>"Ignoramus2624" <ignoramus2624@NOSPAM.2624.invalid> wrote in message
>news:UKGdnaNkL6KECFrXnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> This glass baking tray (with a pie in it) exploded, when a electric
>> oven burner was turned on under it by accident (not by me). What is
>> interesting is that it exploded (shattered violently) all at once.
>>
>> Utensils next to it were thrown to the floor by the force of the
>> explosion.
>>
>> http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Glass-Baking-Tray-Explosion/
>>
>> What this story underscores, besides interesting physics implications,
>> is that trouble often comes very unexpected.
>>
>
>When I was a kid my mother served strawberries and cream in a glass bowl.
>Just as the spoon lightly touched the bowl the bowl exploded with the shards
>travelling across *two* rooms and (apparently round the corner) onto the
>balcony. Interestingly no-one was injured.
>
>Took a while to clean the strawberies off the walls...

That reminds me of David Eisan's post on the Wreck (almost a decade
ago; time flies!) about his kitchen incident.

--snip--
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: "David F. Eisan" <dfei...@home.com>
Date: 2000/06/19
Subject: Power tools in the kitchen.

Dear All,

This afternoon I was foolishly left alone in the kitchen with a
seemingly simple task, whip some cream.

It all started when I was attempting to whip some whipping cream into,
oddly enough, whipped cream with a hand whisk, and it seemed to
require far too much effort on my part. I am sure a Neander would be
quite happy with a hand whisk, but I was looking for a Normite way to
get this done.

Now I realise that most people have a power hand mixer, or what ever
they are called, but I don't have one.

I started thinking, hmm, how much different could one of those things
be from a router. All a hand mixer is, is a motor with a Jacobs chuck
like socket for whisks. Now if you think you know where I am going
with this, you are probably correct. I got out the dial callipers and
the shaft of the hand whisk was exactly 1/4". Woo Whoo, first problem
solved, I can use the standard 1/2" to 1/4" bushing. I go out to the
shop and take my three and a quarter horse Hitachi M12V out of the
router table and back into the kitchen. Using my 21mm and custom
ground thin 23mm Craftsman wrenches, I chuck up the whisk. Next
problem, speed. I measured the diameter of the business end of the
whisk and consulted my router bit speed chart. It said I should use
18,000 RPM. The only question left was technique, clockwise or counter
clockwise. Since I was doing an inside cut, I decided on the standard
counter clockwise.

I fired up the big green monster. Good thing the M12V has a soft start
feature, because even with my elbows braced on the countertop, this is
a heavy and unwieldy router to freehand in the air, but the torque was
still more than I was prepared for and I almost lost it. Okay, here we
are, full power. There was a quick blur of chaotic white liquid
filling the air and as the blur subsided I quickly realised the bowl
that previously held two cups of whipping cream was now virtually
devoid of cream. I powered down the router. My face, glasses and upper
body were covered in cream, as were two thirds of the kitchen. My
better half, alerted by the unusual tool noise and loud cursing coming
from the kitchen, walks in to ask just what the hell I thought I was
doing. I wipe off, change clothes and come back to explain myself and
clean up a very large mess.

Once I explained what I was attempting to the young lady I thought was
about to become my ex-wife (I could see it in her face, as she
thought, I cannot believe I actually married someone this stupid, Dad
was right), who is standing in front of me with a look of such total
disbelief that I would have previously thought impossible to display,
I was told that 18,000 rpm was a little too high an rpm for a whisk,
and that a variable speed cordless drill would have been the correct
choice of tool for this task. We were out of whipping cream at this
point, so I will have to wait until after I have a chance to go to the
store tomorrow to find out if the cordless drill works any better.
Damm, now that I think about it, it would seem like the drill press is
the way to go, then I could be just like Martha Stewart, Emeril or the
Cute short blonde lady with the bob haircut who has two shows on the
food network and have one of those big stationary Kitchen Aid looking
mixer thingies, Hmmmm.....

Live and learn.

Thanks,

David.

May you live in Interesting Times - Ancient Chinese Curse.
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 4 2009 9:33 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:34:32 -0400, the infamous John Husvar
<jhusvar@sbcglobal.net> scrawled the following:

>In article <4ac80273$0$5000$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> From information others have posted here, the material that Pyrex was once
>> made from, borosilicate, which is very resistant to heat stresses, has been
>> replaced by a common type of glass, and the strength and heat resistance has
>> been restored somewhat by tempering. But it sounds like Pyrex ain't what it
>> used to be.
>
>Well, that's my something new for today. :)

That and Prince Rupert's Drops are mine.

>I've got several glass baking dishes round the place. One for sure is
>Pyrex, but it's old as the hills, so I think it is borosilicate. I've
>shattered tempered auto glass and CRT fronts by heating one area and
>allowing it to cool naturally. After a while cooling, BANG!
>
>So I figured that would apply to the baking dish in question.

Agreed.

>It ain't what you know that gets you in trouble: Its what you know that
>just ain't so - Twain(?)

Ayup. http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1097

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