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TOPIC: OT - Why the GOP should still be nervous...very, very nervous.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/37096cdc6028afa4?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 10:03 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:18:43 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Read this and not sleep.
>
>Laugh...laugh..laugh...
>
>TMT

Note that there is absolutely nothing in this diatribe about doing
what's best for America and Americans. It's all about gaining or
retaining power over America and Americans. You find this amusing?

Mindless partisan zeolotry by proponents of either party does no
service to our country or our populace. Government cannot be
trivialized as a competitive sport if we're to prosper (or survive)
as a country and a populace on this shrinking globe.

Most readers will know that you're trolling to elicit responses for
your personal amusement. Condolences on having nothing to contribute
either to this NG or to the country in which you live.

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TOPIC: Upright wood bandsaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/89e57b72a00b2f79?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 10:08 pm
From: "Bob La Londe"

"spaco" <spaco@baldwin-telecom.net> wrote in message
news:QNOdnS3q6MpDEsfWnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@bright.net...
> I have a 10" Delta vertical bandsaw that I have been using to cut steel
> for over 20 years. It's a light duty home version.
> The big issue is that you have to slow it down a LOT for steel. To do
> that, I simply mounted a second, slow speed motor in the stand, right
> above the "wood speed" motor. To change from wood to metal, I just
> install a shorter belt to the slow motor, instead of the longer belt to
> the "wood" motor. The slow motor I used is a gearmotor that runs about
> 105 rpm and used to run a copy machine. It has a 1 1/2" diameter pulley,
> so I get about 125 sfm on the blade. I have other metal cutting tools
> now, so I don't use it for heavy metal cutting anymore, but I used to cut
> stock as thick as 1". Slow, but got the job done. I even had blades made
> that were as wide as 1/2" and as narrow as 1/8". You'd be surprised at
> how long the 1/8" blades lasted!

I've got 1/8 wood blades for detail work. They take forever to wear out,
but only a few seconds of ham handedness to break.

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TOPIC: Pie Jaw chucks
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/27ea66b9b32ba264?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 10:08 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-01-19, Royston Vasey <royston@vasey.com> wrote:
>
> "DoN. Nichols" <dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnhl9qb8.3di.dnichols@Katana.d-and-d.com...
>> On 2010-01-18, Royston Vasey <royston@vasey.com> wrote:
>>> I stumbled across this website
>>
>> Which website? Did you find a web site which mirrors this
>> usenet newsgroup rec.crafts.metalworking? Normally, there are (and
>> should be) no images here.

[ ... ]

> Sorry Don & all - my apologies, I stuffed up & didn't paste the link:
>
> http://mechanicalphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/02/making-plastic-front-aperture-sight.html

O.K. I recognize those. They are the alternative soft jaws for
the chuck supplied with the Taig lathe. They are aluminum (as are the
normal jaws) and bolt to the steel master jaws in the body.

I *think* that these are made from a stock which was originally
made as heat sink stock, and which made a good pie jaw stock for the
size of the Taig 3-jaw chuck. (Taig is called "Peatol" in the UK, I
believe.)

Yes -- this style is supplied as blanks and is turned to fit
just like steel or aluminum soft top jaws on larger chucks. It is not
like the steel top jaws for use on 6-jaw chucks and which are turned as
steps hardened and ground in some cases for real precision jaws.

The use of the heat sink stock reduces material costs, and the
fingers grip at enough places (on larger diameters) so they work well
for the purpose.

The earlier photos are of slightly larger 4-jaw chuck on the
same machine. The Taig/Peatol looks like a good match to the task
shown.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: fs: 3 inch crafstman lathe complete
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/602f7c8a7b0508f6?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 10:10 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-01-19, John Mac <Macka123@iinet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Don
> Happy New Year

Thank you -- and the same to you.

> I have not visited for a while but noticed your name.
> You helped me a lot a while back.

Glad to have helped.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: Another NRA Ad
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8b170ec84245c229?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 10:39 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:43:29 -0500, Randy <rbraun333@enter.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:42:23 -0600, Don Foreman
><dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:30:19 -0500, Randy <rbraun333@enter.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:49:05 -0500, Cliff
>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-vashootings_21nat.ART.State.Edition2.4bf5bf6.html
>>>> "Suspect in Virginia slayings of 8 surrenders after 18-hour manhunt"
>>>>[
>>>>A man suspected of shooting eight people to death has been charged with one
>>>>count of first-degree murder, but authorities said other charges were likely.
>>>>
>>>>Christopher Bryan Speight, a 39-year-old security guard, surrendered to police
>>>>at daybreak Wednesday after leading authorities on an 18-hour manhunt after the
>>>>shootings at a house in rural central Virginia. He had no weapons when he
>>>>surrendered wearing a bulletproof vest over a black fleece jacket, camouflage
>>>>pants and mud-caked boots.
>>>>
>>>>Bomb squads had found "multiple" explosives at Speight's home and were
>>>>detonating them into the night.
>>>>....
>>>>]
>>>
>>>
>>>A security guard, AKA a government trained, licensed and endorsed
>>>person. Infinitely more qualified to carry a gun more than you or me.
>>>
>>>Thank You,
>>>Randy
>>
>>Some are ex-military and very highly qualified. Others can barely hit
>>a large silhouette at 7 yards. Training requirements vary from none
>>in some states to 40 hours in others. Training is conducted by
>>private individuals or firms, not the government.
>
>This started as one of Cliff's anti-NRA posts. My point was: if not
>for the NRA, this guy would be the only guy allowed to have a gun.
>Anti gunners think security guards and Police are the only persons on
>earth that should be allowed to have guns. For some reason they think
>these people must be super human and could not, and would not, ever go
>nuts or abuse their power, and for these reasons the rest of us have
>no need to own a gun.
>
>Thank You,
>Randy

Point taken and respected, Randy. I'm not sure that's entirely or
even mostly attributable to the NRA, but they certainly do deserve
some credit.

I respect the fear of those that are anti-gun. It stems from ignorance
but it is real, and fear is a powerful shaper of opinion.

Not a single anti I have introduced to respect for guns, some at the
range, remains an anti. Not all have become shooters or owners, their
choice, but they seem to gain an appreciation for reciprocal respect
of rights. I respect their right to disdain firearms and I'd like them
to respect my right to own them responsibly as a non-criminal citizen.
I suppose being a vet doesn't hurt my credibility.

Bottom line: no anti I've had the opportunity to chat with one on one
has remained an anti. More than half continue to eschew firearms from
their lives, but they gain respect for those of us who choose
otherwise.

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TOPIC: shopping
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/72db31e2f58f5041?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 10:47 pm
From: "murugan.vel"

We have lot of social networking websites like Twitter, Orkut. But I
searched for a good site for shopping through social networking. I
found this website .

http://www.shoppingreps.com?SourceId=1188 very cool and interesting. I
search for a washing machine, their inventory is very bad I can't
find. I found an innovation they allowed the customers to add any
goods to their inventory and register for them. I added my item and
registered for that. The site says they will check if my item is
available in the market. If it is available they will approve my new
inventory and my group will be available for anybody else to join. It
is fascinating, but time consuming. I am waiting.

Please see this site http://www.shoppingreps.com?SourceId=1188

and try to join if anybody interested.

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TOPIC: Cleaning up the shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ff81a03e8e9a9e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 11:16 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Ignoramus6241" <ignoramus6241@NOSPAM.6241.invalid> wrote in message
news:eoydncHcgMvzs8fWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-01-22, Gunner Asch <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> Why? Ive got a "part time" job..was full time until the Leftwingers
>> destroyed the economy and started killing machine shops. What the
>> Leftwingers "perceive" about me is their problem, not mine. I, like
>> millions of other people..even legal citizens..had to have emergency
>> medical treatment. Some from accidents, others from being victims of
>> crime, others from very unexpected medical issues. I was 55 yrs old at
>> the time, and Ill state right here and now..that others here will be
>> having the exact same thing happen to them. I could have continued
>> insurance payments for another few months..but I would have been living
>> in a cardboard box with no lights, power, water. Shrug. Im one of the
>> now 20% and growing segment of the population that simply could no
>> longer afford medical insurance.
>
> Since you are a belever in personal responsibility, the first step I
> would recommend is taking personal responsibility for your situation.
> The choices affect outcomes, for everyone, you included.
>
> Secondly, a part of the reason why insurance rates are so high, is
> that people without insurance, like you, are clogging emergency rooms
> in hospitals, who are required to treat them.
>
> Had an insurance reform been passed, that would provide people like
> you with access to affordable preventive health care, your own
> treatment might have cost the society less.
>
> Not being able to afford health insurance at older age, is my personal
> nightmare and it is something that bothers me every day. I do not care
> if I would be slightly less wealthy, due to extra costs, and would be
> very happy to know that there is no possibility of being left withnout
> health coverage.
>
> i

That's all well and good, but you may die in channels. That's the down
side. You need a bypass or cancer treatment tomorrow, and it will take two
years to get approval. Same as no coverage in my mind.

Steve

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 11:18 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote

>
> Gads...I did type DA didnt I? Mea culpa!
>
> Gunner, blushing....

I saw DA and read doctor's assistance. Dopey me.

Steve

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TOPIC: What Happens When TMT Achieves Power over his Mommies
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e24580d8c5e20818?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 11:53 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:hbtkl5l368frihafjbbhh0qfhf2gogj8dl@4ax.com...

>
> By attacking the newly elected Republican that just derailed
> 0bamaMajick? Interesting theory.

What's hilarious is the way 0zero quickly tried to control the damage of
Brown's election by saying people were angry the past 8 years. Right, so
angry with Bush that they went ahead and elected a Republican! LMAO! Obimbo,
what a joker.

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TOPIC: Transformer for spot-welder buildup
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7e7909b447a6eb51?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 11:53 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"

I disagree with your explanation, Ian. The majority of the strength of the
magnetic field of the core laminations doesn't extend as far as the welding
tips at the ends of the arms.

The number of full turns within the core (around the center E-section) would
be what I'd consider to be the actual number of turns.
I don't believe a *U* represents a full turn (only a half-turn).

In order for a *U* to be considered a full turn, would be if the ends
overlapped and were separated at 180 degrees. More like this, at opposite
sides of the core --o-- (passing thru the same core opening twice) or
separated at 180 degrees on the same side of the core.
This way, a full turn is fully within the field of the core.

Another pass-thru would equal 1-1/2 (1.5) turns, IMO, if the leads remain
parallel to each other.

--
WB
.........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html

"IanM" <look.in.my.sig@totally.invalid> wrote in message
news:hjboe1$2mm7$1@energise.enta.net...
>
> No, a half turn would go through ONE hole in the core. You agree that
> solid ring round the centre leg is a single turn shorted winding?
> Now stretch out one side of the ring without breaking it. The topology
> hasn't changed so this is still a single turn winding. Add another core
> (+ primary) with the centre leg inside the ring and the two outer legs
> outside it. You now have two single turn windings in series, but still
> shorted. Now break the ring on the far side of one of the cores and you
> have exactly the arrangement I propose which is the series circuit
> x--Sec2A--Sec1--Sec2B--x where Sec1 is the single turn secondary of the
> transformer at the base of the U and Sec2A and Sec2B are the two half turn
> secondaries of the other transformer.
>
> Incidentally, the 360 degree loop you mentioned is completed by the
> workpiece. Most soldering guns use a single turn U shaped secondary and
> it works nicely in that application.
>
> --
> Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
> ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
> [at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & >32K emails --> NUL:

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TOPIC: Brown and Obama......OT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7fce2a60f982134b?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 12:07 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:8j1ll5prlknetf7i9r1jfdj28nrfl1t1ps@4ax.com...
> Gunner Asch <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>After Coakley's defeat, Obama pretended that the real cause was a
>>generalized anger and frustration "not just because of what's happened
>>in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight
>>years."
>
> Half of which featured a Democrat majority in Congress. Including
> 0bama.

So angry that they elected a Republican! LOL, more likely they were fed up
with 0'B0Zer0 wrecking everything.

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TOPIC: Anyone need Drill chucks?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/957f5ed96a0a203c?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 12:09 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:38:40 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
wrote:

>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:6h5jl59udj10n78k6264jiehpie9amq3gt@4ax.com...
>> Ive been cleaning out my various bins, drawers and cabinets, getting
>> stuff togther for the big Clausing 15x40 lathe and whatnot,,,and keep
>> finding drill chucks. Ive got chucks with #1 MT spuds all the way up to
>> #4 Mt with 3/4" jacobs drill chucks on them. All are in excellent
>> condition, some appear nearly new..a couple ARE new.
>>
>> Anyone need anything? I figure I can sell some of them and buy that
>> damned expensive belt that I need for the Clausing lathe and still be
>> able to buy dog and cat food. <G> They would probably bite me if I let
>> em go hungry and bought that $100 belt.
>
>I have a belt supplier that is very reasonable, send me the specs. and I
>might trade you that belt for what's behind door number one.

2528v370....variable speed belt.

Thanks for checking. Best Ive found so far is $79. Clausing wants...$108
plus shipping

Its claimed thats not a Perfect fit..shrug..but it works.

Gunner

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TOPIC: Tech Support for Wingers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/723ba3b846a4da69?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 12:13 am
From: "Burled Frau"

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:10:29 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
wrote:

> You are starting to convince me you really are as dumb as everyone says.

They don't get any dumber than Curly Queer.

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TOPIC: Cutting NPT threads on PVC pipe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e6be12ed6c496542?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 12:14 am
From: Richard J Kinch

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh writes:

> However, unless there's an ell just downwind of the pump, why not whack
> off the pipe shorter than necesary, and apply a "repair union" to join
> the main line to the nipple section.

Because I had only 4 inches of room to put a 3.5" long union between a tee
shoulder and the female coupling on the pump strainer basket. The old
system had no union on the suction side of the pump, so you had to
disassemble the pump (ugh!) to unscrew the threaded fitting.

Two pumps and a filter are all housed in an underground vault (I know, I
know, this was madness, but not of my origination). You can see an old
photo here, with the strainer basket near the bottom of the photo:

http://www.truetex.com/protect/poolctrl3.jpg

I'm actually thinking I should have checked Lowe's since they have a
selection of Sch 80 PVC bits. But too late, I bought a 2" threader and
made my own PVC nipple. It seemed to work out fine.

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