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TOPIC: Transformer for spot-welder buildup
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7e7909b447a6eb51?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:02 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

IanM wrote:
>Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>> I made my spotwelder from MOT's ... See it here:
>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MOTSpotwelderPrintable.pdf

> The design can be considerably simplified. If you use a U shaped single
> turn winding that fully fills the core, you will get the maximum
> current output possible from that transformer. Just slide extra
> transformers onto the open end of the U until the desired open circuit
> voltage is reached. The secondaries are effectively in series ...

Good idea. In the highly unlikely event that I ever build another one,
I'll do it that way. In building mine, the 2nd MOT was added only after
the 1st was finished & proved inadequate alone, not that I would have
thought of using conjoined cores anyhow <G>.

> This removes the need for complicated machining and also reduces the
> loss due to circulating currents caused by mis-matched OC voltages which
> is almost inevitable if the secondaries are paralleled and the
> transformers aren't *IDENTICAL*.

I wouldn't say the machining was complicated, but it would have been
easier your way. I suspect that the effect of the core mis-match is
secondary & not a problem on my welder.

> ...
> the shiny black taped cable in the second to last picture
> in the PDF which in my opinion should be a lot thicker. ...

Actually a "liquid tape" coating, but I quibble. I'd have used a
thicker cable if I'd had one. A central theme of mine is using what I
have in my box.

> I dont like the use of paint for insulation with the current capability
> it has. I strongly recommend lacquered card or similar all round the
> secondary where it passes through the cores and heatshrink, self
> amalgamating tape or similar over the rest of it. For safety, its
> probably a good idea to fully insulate *BOTH* arms from the base and
> pressure mechanism so that you dont get unexpected current paths through
> your workbench etc. if there is a little dirt under one tip.

Overkill, in my opinion. There is not much of a safety issue here.

> I would also be inclined to split the ends of the aluminium arms and add
> clamping bolts either side of each hole for the copper contacts.

I don't think that a press fit is any more likely to loosen.

> Why not add an adjustable over centre toggle mechanism with a strong
> return spring that trips a microswitch when it reaches its limit and is
> operated by a bowden cable from a foot pedal? Think mole grips or
> ratchet crimper for the sort of action required. That would give single
> pedal operation for clamping and welding. You would adjust contact
> pressure with the lockout switch OFF.

Much too complicated. Also, I've found the need to adjust the position
after the contacts are closed (the pressure is such that the work can be
slid around).

> I think a low voltage (chosen to suit the OC voltage) torch bulb wired
> across the arms near the tips (its insulated wiring can run back along
> the arms to any convenient location) would add a useful indicator as it
> will light brightly if the unit is energised with the tips not in
> contact and while actually welding its brightness will vary inversely
> with the welding current.

I don't think it would add anything: the welder isn't energized until
the tips are in contact & there's nothing to adjust about the welding
current. I.e., what good is knowing its intensity?

--------

But the bottom line, as they say, is that mine works. I'll never need
to weld stock more than 1/8" thick, so more power is irrelevant. As is
efficiency, for the little use mine gets. It could have been simpler,
but it wasn't that complicated to start.

Bob

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TOPIC: My Recent Trip and Metalworking...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2d634f289088729?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:11 am
From: Jon Anderson

Joe AutoDrill wrote:

> We went out into the poorest sections of the capital city of Accra in the
> nighttime hours and found the people to be a bit more westernized at that
> hour, but seriously humble and friendly.

I know a gal here that used to import woven baskets and goods from
Ghana. Actually that was a few decades ago, don't know if she's still
doing it. Only talked to her a couple times about it, but she had
nothing but great things to say about the people and her experiences there.

Jon

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TOPIC: Why we love Bush
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/84b98deffed29491?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:24 am
From: Iarnrod

On Jan 26, 1:17 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:12:49 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 25, 10:01 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:03:34 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jan 25, 6:50 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> >> >> "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:831bce35-966b-4eba-8136-baea924a4da7@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > On Jan 25, 6:03 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> >> >> >> Many liberals got jealous and started flailing their wrists around when
> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> learned that Bush is so incredibly awesome, able to read upside-down
> >> >> >> books
> >> >> >> to schoolchildren.
> >> >> >> 0bama, on the other hand, is unable to read his teleprompter in a
> >> >> >> childrens
> >> >> >> classroom, even while right-side-up! The big zero.
>
> >> >>http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100119/480/9131bc77c75...
>
> >> >> > Here's what he was like when he was holding his penis while
> >> >> > talking to the kids after the remarks, kook:
> >> >> >http://tinyurl.com/yl9ncvx
>
> >> >> Why was he holding his penis?
>
> >> >Why do conservaloons always fantasize about the black man's penis? How
> >> >stereotypical of you.
>
> >> Why do far left wing extremists always claim such and such is
> >> fantasizing when a Conserative asks a simple question?
>
> >BWAHAHAAAHAHAAAA!!! Too fuckin' funny, dope!!!
>
> >Are you habo weading? Yofri bove broit' up. Yoys
> >AYS dink ut blackn's dics. Itzing. Ano bltly
> >obvis s gur disienuodena
>
> Sorry..you will have to take that dick out of your mouth.

Wow, Popgun right on cue delivers even more evidence of his own
homoerotic fantasies. And such a vivid reconstruction of what I wrote,
it almost reads as thought you had a dick in your mouth and sounded it
out as you changed it. Hmm. Is a dick in your mouth the last thing you
think of before you go to sleep at night all alone, Popgun?

> Im afraid I cant understand you.

Wow, that's the fuckin' understatement of the year, Popgun. You don't
understand a single thing.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:41 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:24:36 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarnrod@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jan 26, 1:17 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:12:49 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 25, 10:01 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:03:34 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Jan 25, 6:50 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> >> >> "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:831bce35-966b-4eba-8136-baea924a4da7@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Jan 25, 6:03 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Many liberals got jealous and started flailing their wrists around when
>> >> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> learned that Bush is so incredibly awesome, able to read upside-down
>> >> >> >> books
>> >> >> >> to schoolchildren.
>> >> >> >> 0bama, on the other hand, is unable to read his teleprompter in a
>> >> >> >> childrens
>> >> >> >> classroom, even while right-side-up! The big zero.
>>
>> >> >>http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100119/480/9131bc77c75...
>>
>> >> >> > Here's what he was like when he was holding his penis while
>> >> >> > talking to the kids after the remarks, kook:
>> >> >> >http://tinyurl.com/yl9ncvx
>>
>> >> >> Why was he holding his penis?
>>
>> >> >Why do conservaloons always fantasize about the black man's penis? How
>> >> >stereotypical of you.
>>
>> >> Why do far left wing extremists always claim such and such is
>> >> fantasizing when a Conserative asks a simple question?
>>
>> >BWAHAHAAAHAHAAAA!!! Too fuckin' funny, dope!!!
>>
>> >Are you habo weading? Yofri bove broit' up. Yoys
>> >AYS dink ut blackn's dics. Itzing. Ano bltly
>> >obvis s gur disienuodena
>>
>> Sorry..you will have to take that dick out of your mouth.
>
>Wow, Popgun right on cue delivers even more evidence of his own
>homoerotic fantasies. And such a vivid reconstruction of what I wrote,
>it almost reads as thought you had a dick in your mouth and sounded it
>out as you changed it. Hmm. Is a dick in your mouth the last thing you
>think of before you go to sleep at night all alone, Popgun?

Odd..I changed nothing of any value. Sure you didnt post it? Sure sounds
like you were sucking a dick doesnt it? But hey...I dont care if you
are gay or not. Means nothing to me. On the other hand..knowing you are
a Leftwinger and are going to die in 2 yrs or less, gives me pleasure.

<VBG>
>
>> Im afraid I cant understand you.
>
>Wow, that's the fuckin' understatement of the year, Popgun. You don't
>understand a single thing.

So have you picked out a country to flee to, or are you staying here and
try to live through the Great Cull?

Not that I care much..shrug..but I rescue kittens and puppies too. Not
that Id rescue you of course. In fact..Ive already submitted your name
to be placed on the List. But hey..make your choices wisely.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: Trijicon
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8210cfe1feffd9c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:44 am
From: RBnDFW

robert bowman wrote:
> editor@netpath.net wrote:
>
>> For all the "Christian proselytizing" crap, it's ironic that JEWISH
>> Israel uses the Trijicon ACOG scopes heavily in their military - and
>> isn't bothered by it.
>
> iirc, there were photos of Israeli schoolkids painting religious and other
> slogans on missiles that were Lebanon bound. Maybe painting 'Jesus loves
> you' on the drones would be a good idea.
>

or "Jesus is watching you"

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:37 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:01:47 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

>robert bowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in news:7s8dcjFvfdU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> editor@netpath.net wrote:
>>
>>> For all the "Christian proselytizing" crap, it's ironic that JEWISH
>>> Israel uses the Trijicon ACOG scopes heavily in their military - and
>>> isn't bothered by it.
>>
>> iirc, there were photos of Israeli schoolkids painting religious and other
>> slogans on missiles that were Lebanon bound. Maybe painting 'Jesus loves
>> you' on the drones would be a good idea.
>>
>>
>
>Umm, are you people really this historically challenged?
>
>Soldiers have been painting slogans on thier shields, swords, muskets, half
>tracks, trucks, wagons, tanks, aircraft, bombs, torpedoes, rockets, missiles,
>artillery shells, machine guns, helmets, etc as long as there have been
>soldiers.
>
>Get a grip people.

Indeed. Ive got a 98k Mauser with Gott Mit Uns scratched into the stock.
Most probably by the original "owner"..

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:54 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Gunner Asch <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in
news:vp7sl5drur8foegb2eaceeuu8htj2i9ccs@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:11:37 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>>I don't think it was the sentiment that was complained about.....it was
>>where it was located in a situation where we are trying to convince the
>>local populace we are not trying to drive them into Christianity.
>
>
> You do comprehend that those sights are being used in a land where they
> are trying to kill the carriers, because they are not Muslim....right?

Yep, what makes you think I don't...

> And you think the hidden title will somehow make them hate us even more?

Where did I say that? If you had followed the thread, you would have seen
that is what I said those protesting were afraid of. I havenot expressed
my own opinion on the inscriptions other than to say that I doubted that
there were many complaints from the Iraqis on the fact some US currency has
"In God We Trust" on it when we give it to them.

Why do you, Editor and Curly all try to claim I have thought something I
haven't? ;)

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

Some points to ponder:
Why is it good if a vacuum cleaner really sucks?
Why is the third hand on a clock called the "second hand"?
Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Why do we sing "Take me out to the ballgame" when we are already
there?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:56 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.25c7fdd1e4c24e68e6a@news.bytemine.net:

> In article <Xns9D0B9A8EC14C4hopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The
> Sandman)" says...
>>
>> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.25c663ce125b5140e46 @news.bytemine.net:
>>
>> > In article <Xns9D0A910CEB54Chopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The
>> > Sandman)" says...
>> >>
>> >> "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in news:4b5cacdf$1@news.x-
>> >> privat.org:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in
>> message
>> >> > news:Xns9D0A83B914ACBhopewell@216.196.97.130...
>> >> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> >> news:MPG.25c53e56fc723c86e2b@news.bytemine.net:
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>>> Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking
>> >> >>>> it
>> >> up..it
>> >> >>>> means what?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> More to the point why would athiests care ?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Proselytizing
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > When atheists stop proselytizing, perhaps everyone else will
>> >> > too.
>> >>
>> >> Excuse me, but it wasn't the athiests running Trijicon. It wasn't
>> >> the atheists placed the religious references on those sights. It
>> >> was the atheists who professed the concern over proselytizing.
>> >>
>> >> The question asked was "...why would atheists care?" Someone (in
>> >> this case, me) gave an answer. That is how things work on usenet.
>> >> ;)
>> >
>> > More to the point since an atheist denies there even is a God what
>> > does it matter ?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I don't think it was the sentiment that was complained about.....it
>> was where it was located in a situation where we are trying to
>> convince the local populace we are not trying to drive them into
>> Christianity.
>
> Defacing the sights to remove the marking won't change that.
> The jihadists will make up new claims, perhaps claim the part number
> is code for some piece of scripture..

Of course. The whole complaint is political.

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:56 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

"Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in news:4b5e4278@news.x-
privat.org:

>
>
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D0B9AA81A7EAhopewell@216.196.97.130...
>> "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in
>> news:4b5cd42b$1@news.x-privat.org:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D0A910CEB54Chopewell@216.196.97.130...
>>>> "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in news:4b5cacdf$1@news.x-
>>>> privat.org:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>> message news:Xns9D0A83B914ACBhopewell@216.196.97.130...
>>>>>> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:MPG.25c53e56fc723c86e2b@news.bytemine.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking it
>>>> up..it
>>>>>>>> means what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More to the point why would athiests care ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proselytizing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When atheists stop proselytizing, perhaps everyone else will too.
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me, but it wasn't the athiests running Trijicon. It wasn't
>>>> the atheists placed the religious references on those sights. It
was
>>>> the atheists who professed the concern over proselytizing.
>>>>
>>>> The question asked was "...why would atheists care?" Someone (in
>>>> this case, me) gave an answer. That is how things work on usenet.
;)
>>>
>>> Blank sights would be proselytizing for atheists. My preference is
for
>>> the atheists to go find their own sights and leave the proven good
>>> sights with the references alone.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We don't all get our preferences.
>
> Indeed. Looks like we're stuck with the references then. Carry on.

;)

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

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TOPIC: Upright wood bandsaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/89e57b72a00b2f79?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:47 am
From: RBnDFW

Mike Spencer wrote:
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> On Jan 23, 3:22 pm, Wes <clu...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob La Londe" <nos...@nospam.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any of you guys use one for cutting metal ... and admit to it?
>>>>
>>> They tend to go too fast. Aluminum you can get away with.
>>> I'm wondering how mine would
>>> do with a 7/8" pitch 1 1/4 wide band. I think I'll stick to wood though.
>>> Wes
>>>
>
> Here's one I've never seen, only heard described as something that
> U-Haul did in making trailers, maybe 30 years ago.
>
> + Set your band saw for very high speed
>
> + Cover the table with masonite or similar electrically insulating
> material.
>
> + Attach one arc welder cable to the table and the other to the
> metal workpiece.
>
> + Push the workiece into the blade. The blade strikes an arc
> across the workpiece and table. The fast-moving blade blows the
> molton metal/oxides out of the kerf but moves so fast that it
> doesn't overheat. (And/or maybe there's a water- or air-jet
> cooler in there somewhere?)
>
> Allegedly, it was a means making cuts much cleaner than a torch in
> stock too hard for an ordinary band saw and which took too long to cut
> with an abrasive cutoff.
>
> Anybody ever see this in operation? Or know that it's just a yarn?

OK, I just KNOW someone here is thinking about trying this.
Post a video please.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:16 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hjn2qd$rip$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> On Jan 23, 3:22 pm, Wes <clu...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bob La Londe" <nos...@nospam.no> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any of you guys use one for cutting metal ... and admit to it?
>>>>>
>>>> They tend to go too fast. Aluminum you can get away with. I'm
>>>> wondering how mine would
>>>> do with a 7/8" pitch 1 1/4 wide band. I think I'll stick to wood
>>>> though.
>>>> Wes
>>>>
>>
>> Here's one I've never seen, only heard described as something that
>> U-Haul did in making trailers, maybe 30 years ago.
>>
>> + Set your band saw for very high speed
>>
>> + Cover the table with masonite or similar electrically insulating
>> material.
>>
>> + Attach one arc welder cable to the table and the other to the
>> metal workpiece.
>>
>> + Push the workiece into the blade. The blade strikes an arc
>> across the workpiece and table. The fast-moving blade blows the
>> molton metal/oxides out of the kerf but moves so fast that it
>> doesn't overheat. (And/or maybe there's a water- or air-jet
>> cooler in there somewhere?)
>>
>> Allegedly, it was a means making cuts much cleaner than a torch in
>> stock too hard for an ordinary band saw and which took too long to cut
>> with an abrasive cutoff.
>>
>> Anybody ever see this in operation? Or know that it's just a yarn?
>
> OK, I just KNOW someone here is thinking about trying this.
> Post a video please.

Maaaaybe, but not with my saw. LOL.

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TOPIC: Water jet cutting
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6633e9d98d49e3c2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:50 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:56:35 -0500, danmitch <danmitch@umflint.edu>
wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:02:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>>Well, here's a Q:
>>>
>>>If the waterfall is being eroded back so quickly, how are the turbines able
>>>to still catch the water? Are they being moved back, to keep up?
>>
>>
>>
>> Blink blink...ooookay.~ Good question!
>>
>>
>The turbines (powerhouse) are not AT the falls, they are downstream in
>the gorge. They work on the difference in water height between the
>upstream and downstream side of the falls ... just like if a dam were
>present. The water to the powerhouse is diverted from the river a
>considerable distance upstream (above the falls), and brought to the
>powerhouse via a canal. From the canal at the top of the gorge, the
>water is then dropped to the turbines at the bottom via the usual
>penstocks (large tubes).
>
>Variations of this are used in most waterfall-related power stations.
>Tthe falls themselves are usually not involved in the power generation
>at all.
>
>Dan Mitchell
>============

<VBG>

Gunner

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TOPIC: Metalworking is Heart Healthy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e70b0ea841751d7a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:55 am
From: Mark Rand

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:57:26 -0800, "azotic" <azotic@cox.net> wrote:

>Forget that usless exercise equiptment, a lathe offers greater satisfaction.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/F-J-Barnes-No-4-1-2-Velocipede-Pedal-Lathe_W0QQitemZ200432328805QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2eaab2a065
>
>Best Regards
>Tom.
>

At that price, with no option to make an offer, it should end up as scrap :-(

Mark Rand
RTFM

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TOPIC: Cheap swivel casters/wheels?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/768fe28c75986d18?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 7:57 am
From: RBnDFW

Existential Angst wrote:
> Awl --
>
> Man, decent ones seem to wanna break the bank, HF stuff is unusable....
> They have a blue 99c caster, very nice initially, until the soft wheels
> distort into g-d triangles.....
>
> Iny places that will sell small quan of decent stuff at decent prices?
>
> I will eventually be buying larger Qs -- would a larger wholesale/oem house
> give me wholesale prices for "prototype Qs", toward the end of a larger
> order? Yeah, always beggin...

I feel you pain. I was in the local HF last night and they had not one
cast-iron-wheeled caster, all were plastic of some sort or another.

I need about 5 sets of 3" steel or iron wheel casters.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:04 am
From: "bj"

Check here.

http://www.surpluscenter.com/wheels.asp?UID=3516012609581129&catname=wheels

Bruce

"Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b5efe18$0$5012$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Awl --
>
> Man, decent ones seem to wanna break the bank, HF stuff is unusable....
> They have a blue 99c caster, very nice initially, until the soft wheels
> distort into g-d triangles.....
>
> Iny places that will sell small quan of decent stuff at decent prices?
>
> I will eventually be buying larger Qs -- would a larger wholesale/oem
> house give me wholesale prices for "prototype Qs", toward the end of a
> larger order? Yeah, always beggin...
> --
> EA
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:27 am
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Jan 26, 8:57 am, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Existential Angst wrote:
> > Awl --
>
> > Man, decent ones seem to wanna break the bank, HF stuff is unusable....
> > They have a blue 99c caster, very nice initially, until the soft wheels
> > distort into g-d triangles.....
>
> > Iny places that will sell small quan of decent stuff at decent prices?
>
> > I will eventually be buying larger Qs -- would a larger wholesale/oem house
> > give me wholesale prices for "prototype Qs", toward the end of a larger
> > order? Yeah, always beggin...
>
> I feel you pain. I was in the local HF last night and they had not one
> cast-iron-wheeled caster, all were plastic of some sort or another.
>
> I need about 5 sets of 3" steel or iron wheel casters.

I got mine from the hardware store. HF around here has had the steel
wheeled ones on the shelf, they looked OK, haven't actually used any,
though.

Stan

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TOPIC: Cleaning up the shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ff81a03e8e9a9e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:28 am
From: Mark Rand

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:44:27 -0600, Ignoramus29432
<ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-01-25, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Ignoramus29432 <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:
>>

>>
>> So what do you think the monthly premiums for a) Single, b) family will be? I've really
>> wanted a number but never seem to hear those magic details from the politicians.
>>
>> Will this public option cover organ transplants? Pace makers, perscription drugs?
>> Experimental procedures?
>
>If we as a nation spend 9% of our GDP on health care, then it would be
>natural to think that the average cost of health care should be around
>9% of the average income. If average income is $40,000, I figure the
>cost is now $360 per person per month. This is what it is now. Most
>employed people's health care is covered by employers now. If you have
>access to better numbers, you can arrive at a better estimate and
>tweak this result a little bit.
>
>i

But you don't. If you include the employer's bit and the government's bit. you
are paying in the order of 15% of your GDP on health care. This compares with
about 7.5% in the UK for a broadly similar outcome and 10-11% in France and
Germany for a slightly better outcome.

An awful lot of your money seems to be going to things that are nothing to do
with medicine and care.

Mark Rand
RTFM

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:34 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:19:59 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:

>Ignoramus29432 <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-01-25, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>For retired people, a million goes a long way, in addition to Social
>>>>Security income and with the residence paid off.
>>>
>>> And not having payments for an expensive SUV or some other luxury car. We have to live
>>> inside our means.
>>>
>>> I have no sympathy for someone with his and hers snowmobiles, a custom trailer, the suv
>>> that bitch that they can't save for the future. It seems we are being groomed to be a
>>> nation of consumers.
>>
>>I have a custom trailer too.
>>
>> http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Homemade-Trailer-With-M105A2-Bed/
>>
>>Otherwise I agree with you.
>>
>>i
>
>You got that with a bit of money, using your wits, and sweat equity.
>
>Mine is store bought be it avoids my having to have a truck.
>
>http://wess.freeshell.org/usenet/rec.crafts.metalworking/trailerload.jpg
>
>Wes

Whats the weight rating on that garden trailer Wes? I see some of the
local landscapers using these, and have repair welded a number of them.
Any problems with yours?

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:35 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:06:50 -0600, Ignoramus22882
<ignoramus22882@NOSPAM.22882.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-01-26, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Ignoramus29432 <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2010-01-25, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>> Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>For retired people, a million goes a long way, in addition to Social
>>>>>Security income and with the residence paid off.
>>>>
>>>> And not having payments for an expensive SUV or some other luxury car. We have to live
>>>> inside our means.
>>>>
>>>> I have no sympathy for someone with his and hers snowmobiles, a custom trailer, the suv
>>>> that bitch that they can't save for the future. It seems we are being groomed to be a
>>>> nation of consumers.
>>>
>>>I have a custom trailer too.
>>>
>>> http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Homemade-Trailer-With-M105A2-Bed/
>>>
>>>Otherwise I agree with you.
>>>
>>>i
>>
>> You got that with a bit of money, using your wits, and sweat equity.
>>
>> Mine is store bought be it avoids my having to have a truck.
>>
>> http://wess.freeshell.org/usenet/rec.crafts.metalworking/trailerload.jpg
>>
>
>Wes, did you tow your bridgeport with a car??????

Some cars can do it very well. Though to be fair..few made in the last
10 yrs.

Gunner

>
>i

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:38 am
From: "Steve B"

<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:a511ab81-e463-495b-8d0b-2a54e0bec0d7@g39g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 1:24 am, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
Some of the less
> > perceptive insurance companies were publishing studies showing
> > that to be on the safe side, the typical couple should have about
> > 1,000,000$ in savings when they retired. Just how is it possible
> > that the typical couple could accumulate 20 years of pre tax
> > income over even a 50 year working life? [20-70] especially with
> > *NEGATIVE* savings interest?
>
> In that situation you have to do what they guy in the TV show Breaking
> Bad does. You go into the meth business in your spare time. Other than
> that there is no way to save yourself into financial security on 50K a
> year.
>
> Hawke

Actually you can save enough to have financial security on 50K$ a
year. It just requires that you start saving and investing early in
life. I don't think you can do it putting your money in a savings
account. But you can do it by having some money put in a savings
account every week. And then when you have a chunk of money, looking
for a good place to invest it. Right now I would be looking at buying
rental property and investing some sweat equity in managing the rental
property. Might be a bad idea in some parts of the country. But there
are lots of places to invest.

Dan

Reply: Instead of rental property, we do our two houses in Vegas as
vacation rentals. You can get twice the monthly mortgage in a week. Less
hassle than renters. Not for everyone, and location is everything. Check
out www.vrbo.com to skip around the world and see what types of houses you
can rent for your next location, mostly anywhere. The prices are very
reasonable, as most rentals have pots, pans, etc, and you just bring clothes
and food. Cooking in lessens costs, and makes it a more family vacation.
Many houses have pools, and that's better than swimming in the common hotel
pools. Not for everyone, but perfect for some. And a good money maker,
too.

Steve

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TOPIC: Anyone use Upiller.com..similar to Craigslist?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 8:51 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:j2rrl5la3eue1gioh8rr1u1lf6indpn3d7@4ax.com...
> http://www.upillar.com/listings/11760
>
> Some interesting deals on there, and unlike Craigslist..one can find
> firearms as well.
>
> Bookmarked
>

www.Backpage.com is trying to do the same.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:35 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:51:57 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no>
wrote:

>"Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:j2rrl5la3eue1gioh8rr1u1lf6indpn3d7@4ax.com...
>> http://www.upillar.com/listings/11760
>>
>> Some interesting deals on there, and unlike Craigslist..one can find
>> firearms as well.
>>
>> Bookmarked
>>
>
>www.Backpage.com is trying to do the same.

Bookmarked! Thanks!

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: Repair of an Asong AS-250 X-axis power feed
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e5e0ffb17d0f064?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:01 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:joegwinn-82ACF0.10250225012010@news.giganews.com...
> The Asong AS-250 is famous for burning out its speed pot, and mine was
> no exception. I replaced the speed pot assembly twice with the factory
> repair part (provided by Shars Tool), and the new pots also failed after
> a short time, so we have a design problem. Shars was going nuts with
> the resulting warrantee repair hassle.
>
> Autopsy of the failed post showed that the carbon-film resistor element
> was burned. apparently by pulling too much current from the wiper. The
> failed pots claim a 2 watt rating, but this is not what one can pull
> from the wiper it would seem.
>
> So, I replaced the carbon-film pot with a 10 Kohm 5-watt wirewound unit
> made by CTS, about $3 each (Digi-Key CT2159-ND).

LOL. I did something similar. The height control POT for the hydraulic
jackplate on my boat failed. Nobody stocked the part. I contacted the MFG
who said it was a custom part "even though its listed in their catalog" and
they would be glad to sell me one for $40, but there is a $300 minimum order
and 8-10 weeks lead time. I speced a different pot and bought it retail for
$11.20. Used the extender off the old pot. Works great.

http://bbcboards.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=459557

So far no problems with the substitute pot. Some good basic knowledge about
components and the confidence to apply it sure comes in handy sometimes
doesn't it? Glad yours is working.

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TOPIC: Archery Experiment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:08 am
From: Gunner Asch

One of the best emails Ive had in a very long time...<G>

Around age 10 my dad got me one of those little badass compound bow
beginner kits. Of course, the first month I went around our land
sticking arrows in anything that could get stuck by an arrow. Did you
know that a 1955 40horse Farmall tractor will take 6 rounds before it
goes down? Tough sumbich.

That got boring, so being the 10 yr. old Dukes of Hazzard fan that I
was, I quickly advanced to taking strips of cut up Tshirt doused in
chainsaw gas tied around the end and was sending flaming arrows all over
the place. Keep in mind this was 99.999% humidity swampland so there
really wasn't any fire danger. Ill put it this way- a set of post hole
diggers and a 3ft. hole and you had yourself a well.

One summer afternoon, I was shooting flaming arrows into a large rotten
oak stump in our backyard. I looked over under the carport and see a
shiny brand new can of starting fluid (ether). The light bulb went off.
I grabbed the can and set it on the stump. I thought that it would
probably just spray out in a disappointing manner.... lets face it to a
10 yr. old mouth-breather like myself, ether really doesn't "sound"
flammable. So, I went back into the house and got a 1 pound can of
pyrodex (black powder for muzzle loader rifles).

At this point, I set the can of ether on the stump and opened up the can
of black powder. My intentions were to sprinkle a little bit around the
ether can but it all sorta dumped out on me. No biggie... 1lb pyrodex
and 16oz ether should make a loud pop, kinda like a firecracker you
know? You know what? F**k that. I'm going back in the house for the
other can. Yes, I got a second can of pyrodex and dumped it too. Now
we're cookin'.

I stepped back about 15ft and lit the 2stroke arrow. I drew the nock to
my cheek and took aim. As I released I heard a clunk as the arrow
launched from my bow. In a slow motion time frame, I turned to see my
dad getting out of the truck... OH SHIT he just got home from work. So
help me God it took 10 minutes for that arrow to go from my bow to the
can. My dad was walking towards me in slow motion with a WTF look in his
eyes. I turned back towards my target just in time to see the arrow
pierce the starting fluid can right at the bottom.

Right through the main pile of pyrodex and into the can. Oh. Shit.

When the shock wave hit it knocked me off my feet. I don't know if it
was the actual compression wave that threw me back or just reflex jerk
back from 235 f**king decibels of sound. I caught a half a millisecond
glimpse of the violence during the initial explosion and I will tell you
there was dust, grass, and bugs all hovering 1ft above the ground as far
as I could see. It was like a little low to the ground layer of dust fog
full of grasshoppers, spiders, and a crawfish or two. The daylight
turned purple. Let me repeat this...

THE F**KING DAYLIGHT TURNED PURPLE. There was a big sweetgum tree out by
the gate going into the pasture. Notice I said "was". That sumbich got
up and ran off.

So here I am, on the ground blown completely out of my shoes with my
thundercats Tshirt shredded, my dad is on the other side of the carport
having what I can only assume is a Vietnam flashback ECHO BRAVO CHARLIE
YOUR BRINGIN' EM IN TOO CLOSE!! CEASE FIRE GODDAMIT CEASE FIRE!!!!! His
hat has blown off and is 30 ft. behind him in the driveway. All windows
on the north side of the house are blown out and there is a slow rolling
mushroom cloud about 2000ft over our backyard. There is a Honda 185s 3
wheeler parked on the other side of the yard and the fenders are drooped
down and are now touching the tires.

I wish I knew what I said to my dad at this moment. I don't know- I know
I said something. I couldn't hear. I couldn't hear inside my own head. I
don't think he heard me either... not that it would really matter. I
don't remember much from this point on. I said something, felt a sharp
pain, and then woke up later. I felt a sharp pain, blacked out, woke
later.... repeat this process for an hour or so and you get the idea. I
remember at one point my mom had to give me CPR so dad could beat me
some more. Bring him back to life so dad can kill him again. Thanks mom.

One thing is for sure... I never had to mow around that stump again.

Mom had been bitching about that thing for years and dad never did
anything about it. I stepped up to the plate and handled business.

Dad sold his muzzleloaders a week or so later. And I still have some
sort of bone growth abnormality either from the blast or the beating. Or
both.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, get your kids into archery. Its good
discipline and will teach them skills they can use later on in life.

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: DANGER! Gun question .....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:24 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:qiv0c5tn99b6lmbm1lq4899c018dim6tfh@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:40:19 -0600, "SteveB" <oldfart@depends.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2009.09.22.18.16.35.888844@example.net...
>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:24:26 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have fun. If you get bitten by the varmint-gun bug, don't say no one
>>>> warned you. d8-)
>>>
>>> When you take down a coyote, is there any edible meat?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rich
>>
>>I have currently made investigation, and there is a $20 bounty in my state
>>for the coyote's ears. I am researching how much furriers pay for hides.
>>
>>Steve
>>
> Head shots ONLY. Doesnt mess up the ears much, and bounty doesnt care.
> Hides with holes in them dont pay well.
>
>

Back when I ran trap lines I dispatched the more dangerous animals with a
.22 CB short to the brain case. Quick kill, no exit wound, small hole, and
on most hides only took 1 stitch to look good on the stretcher. For the few
I shot on the run it was usually at medium range with BB shot out of a
shotgun. You could hardly even see the holes. Never had a good long range
gun back then. Most of the callers favor a 22-250, but I couldn't afford
one when I was living off my trap line. The reason I used a shotgun was
because I carried one all the time while running my lines to shoot rabbits,
and birds in season. Kept 1 round of BB shot in the chamber for varmints.
Amazing how fast I could jack that out and pop a rabbit on the run. I
discovered though that most desert bunnies pause when they get the edge of a
bush between you and them. Gives you nearly an extra 1/2 second of shooting
time.

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