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TOPIC: Anyone use Upiller.com..similar to Craigslist?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4448e294bf5e5c59?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:35 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:51:57 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no>
wrote:

>"Gunner Asch" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:j2rrl5la3eue1gioh8rr1u1lf6indpn3d7@4ax.com...
>> http://www.upillar.com/listings/11760
>>
>> Some interesting deals on there, and unlike Craigslist..one can find
>> firearms as well.
>>
>> Bookmarked
>>
>
>www.Backpage.com is trying to do the same.

Bookmarked! Thanks!

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: Upright wood bandsaw
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/89e57b72a00b2f79?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:35 am
From: Winston

Bob La Londe wrote:

(...)

>>> + Push the workiece into the blade. The blade strikes an arc
>>> across the workpiece and table.

Did they have a set of carbon brushes grounding the blade?
The neoprene tires on my bandsaw wheels would prevent the necessary
current flow. That is a good thing because it would toast the
bearings muy pronto.

--Winston

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:53 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Jan 25, 10:30 pm, Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> Allegedly, it was a means making cuts much cleaner than a torch in
> stock too hard for an ordinary band saw and which took too long to cut
> with an abrasive cutoff.
>
> Anybody ever see this in operation? Or know that it's just a yarn?
>
> --
> Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

With an industrial grade saw with lots of hp, you can cut just using
friction. No teeth necessary on the blade.

Dan

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TOPIC: Archery Experiment
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa136ec86561a81c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:54 am
From: Tim Wescott

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:08:31 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:

> One of the best emails Ive had in a very long time...<G>
>
>
> Around age 10 my dad got me one of those little badass compound bow
> beginner kits. Of course, the first month I went around our land
> sticking arrows in anything that could get stuck by an arrow. Did you
> know that a 1955 40horse Farmall tractor will take 6 rounds before it
> goes down? Tough sumbich.
>
> That got boring, so being the 10 yr. old Dukes of Hazzard fan that I
> was, I quickly advanced to taking strips of cut up Tshirt doused in
> chainsaw gas tied around the end and was sending flaming arrows all over
> the place. Keep in mind this was 99.999% humidity swampland so there
> really wasn't any fire danger. Ill put it this way- a set of post hole
> diggers and a 3ft. hole and you had yourself a well.
>
> One summer afternoon, I was shooting flaming arrows into a large rotten
> oak stump in our backyard. I looked over under the carport and see a
> shiny brand new can of starting fluid (ether). The light bulb went off.
> I grabbed the can and set it on the stump. I thought that it would
> probably just spray out in a disappointing manner.... lets face it to a
> 10 yr. old mouth-breather like myself, ether really doesn't "sound"
> flammable. So, I went back into the house and got a 1 pound can of
> pyrodex (black powder for muzzle loader rifles).
>
> At this point, I set the can of ether on the stump and opened up the can
> of black powder. My intentions were to sprinkle a little bit around the
> ether can but it all sorta dumped out on me. No biggie... 1lb pyrodex
> and 16oz ether should make a loud pop, kinda like a firecracker you
> know? You know what? F**k that. I'm going back in the house for the
> other can. Yes, I got a second can of pyrodex and dumped it too. Now
> we're cookin'.
>
> I stepped back about 15ft and lit the 2stroke arrow. I drew the nock to
> my cheek and took aim. As I released I heard a clunk as the arrow
> launched from my bow. In a slow motion time frame, I turned to see my
> dad getting out of the truck... OH SHIT he just got home from work. So
> help me God it took 10 minutes for that arrow to go from my bow to the
> can. My dad was walking towards me in slow motion with a WTF look in his
> eyes. I turned back towards my target just in time to see the arrow
> pierce the starting fluid can right at the bottom.
>
> Right through the main pile of pyrodex and into the can. Oh. Shit.
>
> When the shock wave hit it knocked me off my feet. I don't know if it
> was the actual compression wave that threw me back or just reflex jerk
> back from 235 f**king decibels of sound. I caught a half a millisecond
> glimpse of the violence during the initial explosion and I will tell you
> there was dust, grass, and bugs all hovering 1ft above the ground as far
> as I could see. It was like a little low to the ground layer of dust fog
> full of grasshoppers, spiders, and a crawfish or two. The daylight
> turned purple. Let me repeat this...
>
> THE F**KING DAYLIGHT TURNED PURPLE. There was a big sweetgum tree out by
> the gate going into the pasture. Notice I said "was". That sumbich got
> up and ran off.
>
> So here I am, on the ground blown completely out of my shoes with my
> thundercats Tshirt shredded, my dad is on the other side of the carport
> having what I can only assume is a Vietnam flashback ECHO BRAVO CHARLIE
> YOUR BRINGIN' EM IN TOO CLOSE!! CEASE FIRE GODDAMIT CEASE FIRE!!!!! His
> hat has blown off and is 30 ft. behind him in the driveway. All windows
> on the north side of the house are blown out and there is a slow rolling
> mushroom cloud about 2000ft over our backyard. There is a Honda 185s 3
> wheeler parked on the other side of the yard and the fenders are drooped
> down and are now touching the tires.
>
> I wish I knew what I said to my dad at this moment. I don't know- I know
> I said something. I couldn't hear. I couldn't hear inside my own head. I
> don't think he heard me either... not that it would really matter. I
> don't remember much from this point on. I said something, felt a sharp
> pain, and then woke up later. I felt a sharp pain, blacked out, woke
> later.... repeat this process for an hour or so and you get the idea. I
> remember at one point my mom had to give me CPR so dad could beat me
> some more. Bring him back to life so dad can kill him again. Thanks mom.
>
> One thing is for sure... I never had to mow around that stump again.
>
> Mom had been bitching about that thing for years and dad never did
> anything about it. I stepped up to the plate and handled business.
>
> Dad sold his muzzleloaders a week or so later. And I still have some
> sort of bone growth abnormality either from the blast or the beating. Or
> both.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is, get your kids into archery. Its good
> discipline and will teach them skills they can use later on in life.

My dad never had any black powder around, but you can get a six foot long
flame out of a can of starter fluid (hair spray is only good for two).

--
www.wescottdesign.com

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TOPIC: Optical Camouflage
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4386225cd43064c7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 9:44 am
From: Steve Ackman

In <EdGdnUxeFbDtkMPWnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, on Mon, 25 Jan 2010
13:30:28 -0800, BottleBob, bottlbob@earthlink.net wrote:
> To All:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPVQal851U
>
> Is it trick? Or a trick? :)
>
> And for metalworking content - How do you machine a brick you can't
> see, eh?

One click away, Katy Couric believes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zwzlnExVU&NR

Then again, IME, journalists are some of the most
clueless people on earth. Just last night, ABC's David
Wright(?) was telling us how it'll take 35 days to
manually offload 4 tons of supplies from a ship in the
port of Haiti. I have to guess he meant 4 thousand tons,
but that's the problem with people on teevee today...
you're always having to guess what they really meant.

For context:
A moving crew of two can offload a moving van with 9
tons of household goods/furniture in ~2/3 of a day.

--
☯☯

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TOPIC: Off to LA again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bdadeb120097dc56?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:03 am
From: Gunner Asch

See you guys at the end of the week, or in a couple weeks.
Depends on if I get paid for the work I do this week..or in 30 days.

Im off to LA again.

See ya!

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:09 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 26, 12:03 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> See you guys at the end of the week, or in a couple weeks.
> Depends on if I get paid for the work I do this week..or in 30 days.
>
> Im off to LA again.
>
> See ya!
>
> Gunner
>
> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
> something damned nasty to all three of them.

The stray welfare dog wanders off....

TMT

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TOPIC: Cleaning up the shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ff81a03e8e9a9e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:07 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:38:19 -0800, "Steve B"
<deserttraver@fishmail.net> wrote:

>
><dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
>news:a511ab81-e463-495b-8d0b-2a54e0bec0d7@g39g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 26, 1:24 am, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> Some of the less
>> > perceptive insurance companies were publishing studies showing
>> > that to be on the safe side, the typical couple should have about
>> > 1,000,000$ in savings when they retired. Just how is it possible
>> > that the typical couple could accumulate 20 years of pre tax
>> > income over even a 50 year working life? [20-70] especially with
>> > *NEGATIVE* savings interest?
>>
>> In that situation you have to do what they guy in the TV show Breaking
>> Bad does. You go into the meth business in your spare time. Other than
>> that there is no way to save yourself into financial security on 50K a
>> year.
>>
>> Hawke
>
>Actually you can save enough to have financial security on 50K$ a
>year. It just requires that you start saving and investing early in
>life. I don't think you can do it putting your money in a savings
>account. But you can do it by having some money put in a savings
>account every week. And then when you have a chunk of money, looking
>for a good place to invest it. Right now I would be looking at buying
>rental property and investing some sweat equity in managing the rental
>property. Might be a bad idea in some parts of the country. But there
>are lots of places to invest.
>
> Dan
>
>Reply: Instead of rental property, we do our two houses in Vegas as
>vacation rentals. You can get twice the monthly mortgage in a week. Less
>hassle than renters. Not for everyone, and location is everything. Check
>out www.vrbo.com to skip around the world and see what types of houses you
>can rent for your next location, mostly anywhere. The prices are very
>reasonable, as most rentals have pots, pans, etc, and you just bring clothes
>and food. Cooking in lessens costs, and makes it a more family vacation.
>Many houses have pools, and that's better than swimming in the common hotel
>pools. Not for everyone, but perfect for some. And a good money maker,
>too.
>
>Steve
>
================
This segues into a long running discussion in vocational
education called the individual/case v aggrigate/generic debate.

An expansion of this discussion can be seen at
Tussing, D. (1997 Fall) ECN 358 / WSP 358 Economics of U. S.
Poverty and
Discrimination. Syracuse University:
http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/maxpages/classes/ECN358/
http://www1.maxwell.syr.edu/uploadedFiles/Tussing_CV.pdf?n=6060
http://www.gdrc.org/sustdev/causes-poverty.html

What this boils down is that what may work and work well for an
individual, or even a limited number of individuals, does not
work as a universal rule or for even a significant fraction of
the population.

High wage skills or high return investments depend on two
factors: (1) the market demand and (2) the supply. When either
factor is missing the value falls. For example, there may be a
market demand for CNC machinists, but if there are 10 qualified
applicants for every available jobs the wages will drop, possibly
to minimum wage because of the oversupply.

The same holds true for vacation house rentals in Vagas. If
thousands of people do this, the resulting glut will quickly
drive the rental prices down to less than break-even.

As for the suggestion that the individual invest in other than
government insured instruments such as FDIC savings account and T
bills, for a higher return, I suggest looking at the record,
including the banks and quasi governmental operations such as
Freddy and Fanny. Names like Enron, Silverado and LTCM also rise
to the top. see
http://www.bankruptcyresources.net/2010/01/11/major-bankruptcies/
http://www.dirjournal.com/business-journal/some-major-us-companies-that-went-bankrupt/
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:24 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:07:56 -0600, F. George McDuffee
<gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
<snip a bunch of good stuff>
>This segues into a long running discussion in vocational
>education called the individual/case v aggrigate/generic debate.
<snip more good stuff>
==========
Following up my follow-up...

For a discussion of how major corporate bankruptcies impact the
aggregate economy see
http://www.simon.rochester.edu/news-and-media/news/major-bankruptcies-and-their-impact-on-the-economy/index.aspx

Mainly a discussion about GM/Chrysler but applies to all.

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TOPIC: OT-Nevada explores dropping medicaid
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d52ff4308cebdb0e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:13 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 25, 10:41 pm, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:15772097-97c5-41aa-9d69-bfae6eb59114@k11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 25, 3:26 am, "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Seems things are getting so much better states are going to have a hard
> > time paying for medicaid. I believe arizona is also thinking about
> > dropping
> > medicaid. If our great recovery continues on its current path a lot of
> > states
> > may dropout. Very sad indeed.
>
> >http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_14199260?nclick_check=1
>
> > Best Regards
> > Tom.
>
> If we don't fix the healthcare system, what did you think would
> happen?
>
> Well it is happening.
>
> Welcome to the future...compliments of the Party of No.
>
> In this case...No Healthcare for You...sooner or later.
>
> And other government benefits like VA benefits will follow.
>
> TMT
>
> Everybody wants HC reform. 68% don't want the libtard HC bill. The libtard
> bill is 2,000 pages of libtard politics, bribes, lies and evil.

Not the Party of NO.

They had eight years to fix the system and did not.

TMT

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TOPIC: Cheap swivel casters/wheels?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/768fe28c75986d18?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:17 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 26, 8:36 am, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
> Awl --
>
> Man, decent ones seem to wanna break the bank, HF stuff is unusable....
> They have a blue 99c caster, very nice initially, until the soft wheels
> distort into g-d triangles.....
>
> Iny places that will sell small quan of decent stuff at decent prices?
>
> I will eventually be buying larger Qs -- would a larger wholesale/oem house
> give me wholesale prices for "prototype Qs", toward the end of a larger
> order? Yeah, always beggin...
> --
> EA

Good casters cost real money for a reason...because good casters take
effort and material to make.

Compare a good caster to a cheap caster...the difference in quality is
easily detected.

What are you putting these casters on?

TMT

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 12:40 pm
From: "Roger Shoaf"

"Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b5efe18$0$5012$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Awl --
>
> Man, decent ones seem to wanna break the bank, HF stuff is unusable....
> They have a blue 99c caster, very nice initially, until the soft wheels
> distort into g-d triangles.....
>
> Iny places that will sell small quan of decent stuff at decent prices?
>
> I will eventually be buying larger Qs -- would a larger wholesale/oem
house
> give me wholesale prices for "prototype Qs", toward the end of a larger
> order? Yeah, always beggin...
> --
> EA
>
>

How about getting one of these:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38970 and
then use it's wheels?

These are pretty good quality and are rated for 250lbs each.

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 12:43 pm
From: "Existential Angst"

"bj" <bjst@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:RM-dnQyv7c3nj8LWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Check here.
>
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/wheels.asp?UID=3516012609581129&catname=wheels
>

Excellent, thank you. *Real* casters, at HF prices, mebbe even better.
--
EA

>
> Bruce
>
>
> "Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4b5efe18$0$5012$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> Awl --
>>
>> Man, decent ones seem to wanna break the bank, HF stuff is unusable....
>> They have a blue 99c caster, very nice initially, until the soft wheels
>> distort into g-d triangles.....
>>
>> Iny places that will sell small quan of decent stuff at decent prices?
>>
>> I will eventually be buying larger Qs -- would a larger wholesale/oem
>> house give me wholesale prices for "prototype Qs", toward the end of a
>> larger order? Yeah, always beggin...
>> --
>> EA
>>
>
>

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TOPIC: Need Help with ASA Adapter
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b0a72bc2194a30b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:33 am
From: "Joe AutoDrill"

My customer says they have a machine with an ASA female shaft, but the ID
dimension (round) is 0.750" and it takes a 5/32" woodruff key. Doesn't
match my ASA adapters which are closer to 1.000" in diameter.

Anyone have the specs on or a supplier for these 0.750" ASA-type adapters or
is my customer crazy and this is just a female shaft adapter, etc?

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/
Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill

V8013-R

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TOPIC: Open Pocketing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2d7159c0ae83146b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:45 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:23:09 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
>geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
>intelligence:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related

What, *exactly*, does it show?
WHY?

And what has it to do with "Open Pocketing"?
I see NO pockets at all.

Pretty bad video too.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 10:55 am
From: Joe788

On Jan 25, 9:23 pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The real / fake Joe788, Pete Looghe, Tom Brewer, Cliffy Hurprich, John
> Carroll, Bottlebitch, James Meyette, etc. can do the innuendo as they
> dance and sing but when its all said and done they haven't told you a
> thing.
>
> Let us not forget since Cliffy Huprich's arrival crap is king!
>
> Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
> geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
> intelligence:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related

Jon, why didn't you take up the challenge I posted earlier? See below,
in case you missed it the first time.

Jon's new buzzword is clearly "adding intelligence" to stuff.
I'd really like to see Jon add some intelligence to this topic, by
explaining VERY SPECIFICALLY how he machines an open pocket in
Mastercam.

He absolutely will not explain it. This is identical to his tombstone
machining Jihad from a few years back. He bleated on and on about how
Mastercam was no good for "tombstone machining", and continuously
pointed to pretty pictures from the HSMworks website, as some sort of
"proof" of how great HSMworks is at "tombstone machining." Many of us
continually requested that Jon elaborate on his method for "tombstone
machining" in Mastercam. The answer was sure to be entertaining, since
he's never programmed anything with a tombstone before. Of course, he
never, ever answered the question, and he's still never machined
anything on a tombstone before.

Just more clueless, uninformed, buzzword riddled Jihads from Jonny
Press Release. "Adding intelligence" is likely a buzzword from the
Esprit website somewhere.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 12:15 pm
From: Half-nutz <3t3d@centurytel.net>

On Jan 25, 11:23 pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
> geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
> intelligence:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related

Jonnie Bonkers,

Have you tried to post to any other forum lately?
Do you understand that even IF you could forge an IP address, you
would still be a crazy, ranting, nutter?
Changing your IP address, or changing your name does not change your
insanity, and you get banned as soon as you pop your head in anyplace.

Tell us again how changing an IP address will make you appear to be
sane.
We need a good laugh.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 12:40 pm
From: Cliff

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:15:13 -0800 (PST), Half-nutz <3t3d@centurytel.net> wrote:

>On Jan 25, 11:23 pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
>> geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
>> intelligence:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related
>
>Jonnie Bonkers,
>
>Have you tried to post to any other forum lately?

He's actually had little time to work or to post here of late.
He's been flogging his bog ..... all over the net.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=jonbanquer.wordpress.com
42,000 hits.

>Do you understand that even IF you could forge an IP address, you
>would still be a crazy, ranting, nutter?
>Changing your IP address, or changing your name does not change your
>insanity, and you get banned as soon as you pop your head in anyplace.
>
>Tell us again how changing an IP address will make you appear to be
>sane.
>We need a good laugh.

Indeed.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Michelle pimping the airwaves
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 11:08 am
From: Ignoramus22882

On 2010-01-26, Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> "Ignoramus29432" <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote in message
> news:19WdnbqvLJXX-MPWnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4p2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> Geen..so I spent $100 and I made $18k last year gross.
>>>>> Will you kiss my feet for my generosity?
>>>>I would like to see the official receipt that conforms to IRS standards.
>>>>If you can produce one, I will publicly thank you for your
>>>>generosity.
>>>>
>>>>I donated $50 and I do have a receipt.
>>>
>>> I never bother getting a receipt. I didnt make enough money last year to
>>> even bother filing. And I figure a donation out of pocket is exactly
>>> that. Not something the government needs to give back to me at the end
>>> of the year.
>>
>> I see.
>>
> Iggy, you roll your eyes very quietly. d8-)

The story about Gunner, who recently said he had no money, stopping by
Red Cross and giving them a $100 cash donation, and not getting any
receipt, does not sound believable. Does not mean that it is outright
impossible, but it is not believable.

At this point, being a true agnostic, I do not believe the story to be
true, but I am not certain that it is false, either.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 11:56 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Ignoramus22882" <ignoramus22882@NOSPAM.22882.invalid> wrote in message
news:0rednXITT6YooMLWnZ2dnUVZ_iyinZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-01-26, Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Ignoramus29432" <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:19WdnbqvLJXX-MPWnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4p2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Geen..so I spent $100 and I made $18k last year gross.
>>>>>> Will you kiss my feet for my generosity?
>>>>>I would like to see the official receipt that conforms to IRS
>>>>>standards.
>>>>>If you can produce one, I will publicly thank you for your
>>>>>generosity.
>>>>>
>>>>>I donated $50 and I do have a receipt.
>>>>
>>>> I never bother getting a receipt. I didnt make enough money last year
>>>> to
>>>> even bother filing. And I figure a donation out of pocket is exactly
>>>> that. Not something the government needs to give back to me at the end
>>>> of the year.
>>>
>>> I see.
>>>
>> Iggy, you roll your eyes very quietly. d8-)
>
> The story about Gunner, who recently said he had no money, stopping by
> Red Cross and giving them a $100 cash donation, and not getting any
> receipt, does not sound believable. Does not mean that it is outright
> impossible, but it is not believable.
>
> At this point, being a true agnostic, I do not believe the story to be
> true, but I am not certain that it is false, either.
>
> i

Yeah, I gathered what you meant. "I see" said it very eloquently. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 12:23 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Ignoramus22882" <ignoramus22882@NOSPAM.22882.invalid> wrote in
> message news:0rednXITT6YooMLWnZ2dnUVZ_iyinZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 2010-01-26, Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ignoramus29432" <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote in
>>> message news:19WdnbqvLJXX-MPWnZ2dnUVZ_t9i4p2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> Geen..so I spent $100 and I made $18k last year gross.
>>>>>>> Will you kiss my feet for my generosity?
>>>>>> I would like to see the official receipt that conforms to IRS
>>>>>> standards.
>>>>>> If you can produce one, I will publicly thank you for your
>>>>>> generosity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I donated $50 and I do have a receipt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never bother getting a receipt. I didnt make enough money last
>>>>> year to
>>>>> even bother filing. And I figure a donation out of pocket is
>>>>> exactly that. Not something the government needs to give back to
>>>>> me at the end of the year.
>>>>
>>>> I see.
>>>>
>>> Iggy, you roll your eyes very quietly. d8-)
>>
>> The story about Gunner, who recently said he had no money, stopping
>> by Red Cross and giving them a $100 cash donation, and not getting
>> any receipt, does not sound believable. Does not mean that it is
>> outright impossible, but it is not believable.
>>
>> At this point, being a true agnostic, I do not believe the story to
>> be true, but I am not certain that it is false, either.
>>
>> i
>
> Yeah, I gathered what you meant. "I see" said it very eloquently. d8-)

What's a little amusing is that Gunner thinks he didn't need to file on
$18K.
He owes the SE tax, about $1,500.00, on every dollar and the filing
requirement kicks in at the same time - dollar one.
I think, THINK mind you, that income in excess of $600 requires a filing but
I'm not sure.
What I am sure of is that filing isn't conditioned on owing the IRS or the
FTB and anything over $1,200.00 requires a 1099 even if payment is made "in
kind". Otherwise, whoever paid him owes his tax.

Gunner said he begun BK proceedings. I doubt that because if he had he'd
know all of this and he aslo wouldn't be looking at bills from a hospital or
anyone else.
He'd have listed them all as creditors and that would be that. In
California, it would be illegal for a named creditor to continue to pursue
their claim outside of the court proceedings.
Failing to list ALL of your income, assets, and creditors will cost him his
house. It's a bad idea for him to continue any fraud that might have been
going on in front of the court. In fact, it's a felony and California will
forfiet his homestead act rights and protections in a heartbeat. I actually
collected $27,000.00 from a guy this way once and boy as he ever P.O.'d. So
was his mortgage lender.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Water jet cutting
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 11:09 am
From: RBnDFW

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:56:35 -0500, danmitch <danmitch@umflint.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:02:23 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>>> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> Well, here's a Q:
>>>>
>>>> If the waterfall is being eroded back so quickly, how are the turbines able
>>>> to still catch the water? Are they being moved back, to keep up?
>>>
>>>
>>> Blink blink...ooookay.~ Good question!
>>>
>>>
>> The turbines (powerhouse) are not AT the falls, they are downstream in
>> the gorge. They work on the difference in water height between the
>> upstream and downstream side of the falls ... just like if a dam were
>> present. The water to the powerhouse is diverted from the river a
>> considerable distance upstream (above the falls), and brought to the
>> powerhouse via a canal. From the canal at the top of the gorge, the
>> water is then dropped to the turbines at the bottom via the usual
>> penstocks (large tubes).
>>
>> Variations of this are used in most waterfall-related power stations.
>> Tthe falls themselves are usually not involved in the power generation
>> at all.
>>
>> Dan Mitchell
>> ============

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5921

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TOPIC: My Recent Trip and Metalworking...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2d634f289088729?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 11:26 am
From: "Pete C."

William Wixon wrote:
>
> "Joe AutoDrill" <autodrill@yunx.com> wrote in message
> news:Cth7n.7859$4p5.1554@newsfe22.iad...
> > As some of you might know, I just took a trip to Ghana, Africa.
> >
> > Spent some time looking for metalworking machinery and services and
> > basically found that unless you are in the city, the metalworking they do
> > is limited to cutting brake rotors, banging out vehicle fenders, etc.
> >
> > Quite a trip. Here are some photos... None of which are metalworking
> > related except for maybe the corrugated roofs. :)
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/Ghana2010
> >
> > Joe in Northern, NJ
>
> pretty cool joe. impressive trip. i'd be afraid to go to africa. looking
> at the photos i had tears in my eyes and felt an urge to hold my hand over
> my heart and simultaneously give a salute gesture. congrats to you and good
> luck.
> (the one photo reminded me, (woman burning firewood) of the solar cookers.
> i'm sure you must've seen the information on the internet about solar
> cookers. there's various kinds, aluminum foil lined box up to a huge
> handmade parabolic mirror. pretty impressive metalwork, i mean, with their
> primitive tools.
> for example, http://solarcooking.org/newsletters/scrnov02.htm there's tons
> of info out there about them.
> wondering if you'd say "people are the same everywhere".
>
> b.w.

I've been to Africa once - Egypt, which most folks forget is N. Africa,
not M.E. A lot of interesting contrasts there.

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TOPIC: Why we love Bush
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 11:47 am
From: Iarnrod

On Jan 26, 9:41 am, Popgun Ass <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

> Odd..

Yes, you are. You are a hypocrite traitor who fantasizes about black
men's dicks in your mouth, even rewriting posts while imagining what
they woudl sound like with dicks in people's mouths. Are you openly
gay or still in the closet?

> I changed nothing of any value.

You would not know value, Popgun.

> >> Im afraid I cant understand you.
>
> >Wow, that's the fuckin' understatement of the year, Popgun. You don't
> >understand a single thing.
>
> So have you picked out a country to flee to, or are you staying here and
> try to live through the Great Cull?

You'll be the first one takin' a dirt nap, Popgun. With brown
underwear too.

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TOPIC: Right-Wing Populism Gets Help From Democrats
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5626117fcdfece73?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 11:58 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:s20tl5tj2692cqj0k8su60h92nhirk4c79@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:04:56 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>Don is NOT a winger of any sort, BTW.
>
> Thanks for that disinterested accurate observation, Ed. You are an
> unusually accurate and often critical reader.

I'm just trying to be accurate, Don. There are still a few people here with
whom one can have a good and respectful conversation, and they should be
pointed out to anyone who isn't sure.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Bitchy, Doped and Always Horny..The Life of A Soldier's Wife
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/14d0972e010c95b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 26 2010 12:05 pm
From: "pdrahn@coinet.com"

On Jan 25, 8:30 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 8:38 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:47682b28-3959-40f4-b867-3b825c2192f7@p6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > War is tough on everyone.
>
> > > A friend once told me..."If you want an easy lay, a grunt's wife is
> > > the place to get it when he is gone."
>
> > > He also said.."She will see more action than he will."
>
> > > He was right then.
>
> > > He would be right now.
>
> > > TMT
>
> > What would you know about laying a woman? Besides, you chose not to follow
> > your moms' careers in the army. I hear your daddy the turkey baster came
> > from the mess hall.
>
> Hmm...so you are one of those SOBs who take advantage of lonely wives
> of soldiers serving our Country.
>
> Figures.
>
> TMT

I can barely remember my parents discussing, during WWII, the new
story of a local pastor taking advantage of such lonely wives.
Probably something that goes on during every war.

Paul

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