Thursday, February 18, 2010

rec.crafts.metalworking - 25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Hold my beer & watch this ... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/661f0ce12db7018f?hl=en
* Mag light corrosion (some metal content) - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e2b78f0cacd762ff?hl=en
* What is it? Set 324 - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8357ba5857a5fa66?hl=en
* FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dc43134cee7f371e?hl=en
* Movies - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/845bf0514c09262a?hl=en
* So which "tea party" are you talking about? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5e31e7d07984c609?hl=en
* electrical prints cummins engine - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/883938620783c17f?hl=en
* Why have the Democrats suddenly hallted work on Solving the Health Care
Crisis? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/83aa5e51e0c6cfe5?hl=en
* Cheater's Notes - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/575dd2a6a3913041?hl=en
* Palin?s Unfavorability Ratings At All-Time High - 7 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/444787d3bca9ddfe?hl=en

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TOPIC: Hold my beer & watch this ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/661f0ce12db7018f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:30 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"


Engines reverse, full, Helm! Scotty! I need full
power, can you do it?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com> wrote in message
news:fQ0fn.27$BD2.22@newsfe14.iad...


I'll bet you rip a hole in the time-space
continuum. GOOD, then I don't
have to visit relatives Sunday.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 9:07 am
From: Randy


On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:57:31 -0500, dav1936531@nowhere.invalid wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:03:32 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
><bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>So I'm gonna' hook up the motor, crank the VFD to 400 Hz & stand back!
>>But I thought that I'd give you guys a chance to make predictions. What
>>do you think will happen?
>>
>>Bob
>
>Something similar to this gas engine maybe?
>
>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fee_1266466975
>
>Dave

would love to see that at 5000 frames/sec.

Thank You,
Randy

Remove 333 from email address to reply.

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TOPIC: Mag light corrosion (some metal content)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e2b78f0cacd762ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:31 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"


And, what makes you think that I purchased the
batteries (and noticed the corrosion) in 2010?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in
message
news:7KmdnW-hOa_cOOHWnZ2dnUVZ_jNi4p2d@earthlink.com...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> That's turning into an interesting discussion.
> Others write that the bunny brand is totally
> reliable. I got a box load (display pack for a
> store) of Energizer AAA, and about one out of 6
> or
> so were corroded. Expires in 2009, too. Not
> expired stock.
>
> I think I've stumbled into a debate. Which brand
> of battery.
>

Strange, I thought this was 2010; The Year We Made
Contact.

2009 should have been LAST year.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:34 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Have had the same with name-brand cells in AA
Mini-Maglites. Only
there, the switch "cookie" at the end that the
reflector depresses
when screwed in to turn it on disintegrates, turns
to gray powder.

CY: Not sure what you mean.

Maglite sells switch kits with the tool to remove
the old one and
install the new for a couple of bucks plus
shipping, you can get just
about every piece on any of the flashlights from
the company as
spares. Prices are pretty reasonable, too.

cY: I just screw the lens head off, pop the bulb
out, and pull the switch apart with my finger
nails.

Very nice when the cap
gets chewed up from being dropped or the lens ring
gets dinged. Not
enough room in a Mini-Maglite to put a protective
plastic sleeve in
around the battery stack.

CY: Mine, the Rayovac rechargables are loose
enough to rattle.

Have had to make up a midget slide-hammer
puller to get batteries out of them after one
leaked, really messy
job. Once the switch is out, it's just a tube and
regular nylon bore
brushes with some vinegar gets the crap out, then
a whirl with some
wet or dry gets the thing shined up for next time.

CY: Sounds like good cleaning. I didn't think of
bore brushes, though I've used pipe cleaning
brushes like for copper pipe soldering.

Stan


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:38 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"


"Erik" <spam@this.com> wrote in message
news:spam-E12698.02131918022010@news.dslextreme.com...
I've noticed elevated temperatures seem to greatly
accelerate corrosion
in batteries of every description... like leaving
flashlights, or
storing spare batteries in the car and/or in the
influence of other heat
sources.

CY: yes, heat does that.

For the record, I live in earthquake country and
personal experience
through the years has convinced me that wading
through debris in the
dark isn't fun anymore.

CY: I can imagine that. Strap on head lamp is a
good idea.

I have two Mini Mag's I've declared mission
critical, and dedicated to
quake emergency use only. One is between the
mattresses at the foot of
the bed (along with a good size white painted crow
bar). The other is in
a drawer near the front door. Both can be easily
located by feel in the
dark, and are placed so they can't roll or tumble
away.

CY: That sounds like good preparations. Please
consider adding a head lamp to your earthquake
lights.

To prevent corrosion 'surprises' I replace the
batteries in both every
two years, and have my Google calendar set up to
automatically remind
me. Both lights are also dated with PostIt tape as
a back up.

CY: What brand of battery do you like?

Of course I also have several other various lights
scattered around for
general use, including a robust little 'Pulsar'
LED keychain light with
momentary squeeze switch... perfect for quick
peeks, and finding a
'real' light should push ever come to shove. The
momentary switch works
extremely well at preventing accidental pocket
activations. Had it for 6
or 7 years... replaced the batteries twice IIRC.

CY: i have squeeze lights on the zipper pulls of
my emergency bags. Wh ich remidns me, I've got to
replace the squeeze lights one day soon.

What I'd like is battery technology that will
(economically) allow
flashlights and the like to be stowed corrosion
free, long term in
warm/hot environments... like car interiors.

CY: Not economical, but I wonder if the Energizer
lithium batteries do well in hot climaes?

Erik


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:38 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"


That sounds like wisdom. I'd have to read the
package on those Advance. You're likelly right.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Joe" <see_real_one@sig.lin> wrote in message
news:hkaqn5lgse8s1e6ssmsnhdrcmtjc1vbcoe@4ax.com...

One thing I've concluded after several years
experience is that all
Chinese made batteries (primary cells, anyway) are
crap. It's not a
political issue for me, just lots of experience. I
prefer Duracell,
but I'll use any batteries that aren't made in
China. Their lower
price is negated by the shorter service they give,
plus they are
really prone to leaking. For a while we bought the
cheapies at work
(from Fastenal, as well as other vendors); that
ended up costing us
more in the long run. Lots of the AA cells even
would leak while still
in the wrapper. Back to the good stuff now.

Maybe the Advance brand is from "over yonder".

Joe

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 324
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8357ba5857a5fa66?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 6:40 am
From: Andy Dingley


On 18 Feb, 10:44, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

#1855 Linstock. Used (on a long wooden staff) for firing older
cannon. The string wrapped around it is a slow-match, soaked in
saltpetre

#1856 Printing press

#1858 Poison bottle, heavy duty. There should be a wicker protective
cage around it.

#1860 Anti-tank landmine


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:18 am
From: dav1936531@nowhere.invalid


On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:44:30 -0500, "Rob H." <rhvp65@gmail.com> wrote:

>This week's set has been posted:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob

1855: Gizmachi.
1865: Printing Press.
1857: Dunno.
1858: Bottle for containing magical Gennie. Uncork it for three
wishes.
1859: Looks like a break for a rope in some device for which the rest
of the parts are missing.
1860" Anti-tank mine.
Dave

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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dc43134cee7f371e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 4:50 pm
From: "Up North"

"Ignoramus15568" <ignoramus15568@NOSPAM.15568.invalid> wrote in message
news:msadnepif6UKHuHWnZ2dnUVZ_s9i4p2d@giganews.com...
> Here's the video of it running
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p_LjiCGXhg

Iggy
What are you asking for it? I am traveling near your location next week.
Steve

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TOPIC: Movies
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/845bf0514c09262a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 7:56 am
From: "David Merrill"


Open Source Arabic movies (583 items). Maybe something of interest to
Raffee or, if the Arabic is close enough to Egyptian Arabic, maybe even to
the kids and/or Neveen.

http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies

Love,
Dad


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 7:59 am
From: "David Merrill"


Sorry about that. Meant for a family member.

David Merrill

"David Merrill" <smerrill19@mchsiDOT.com> wrote in message
news:2tSdnSttq5-0_uDWnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@mchsi.com...
> Open Source Arabic movies (583 items). Maybe something of interest to
> Raffee or, if the Arabic is close enough to Egyptian Arabic, maybe even to
> the kids and/or Neveen.
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies
>
> Love,
> Dad
>
>


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:13 am
From: "David Merrill"


Discovered by following the links in the "drill sharpening info" posting a
couple of threads below. Quite a resource there with a bunch of 'how to'
videos relating to metalworking.

David Merrill


"David Merrill" <smerrill19@mchsiDOT.com> wrote in message
news:2tSdnSttq5-0_uDWnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@mchsi.com...
> Open Source Arabic movies (583 items). Maybe something of interest to
> Raffee or, if the Arabic is close enough to Egyptian Arabic, maybe even to
> the kids and/or Neveen.
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies
>
> Love,
> Dad
>
>

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TOPIC: So which "tea party" are you talking about?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5e31e7d07984c609?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:14 am
From: Cliff


On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.

The stupidity & ignorance speak for themselves.
So do the results.

Hope it remains funny though.
Better that than the results.

Remember what happened in Germany & Italy.
History. Don't forget it & demand a do-over.

"The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

"Stupidity has a knack of getting its way." - Albert Camus

"Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them
are even stupider!" - George Carlin

"Stupidity is the deliberate cultivation of ignorance" - William Gaddis

"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer
shelf life." - Frank Zappa

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." -
Harlan Ellison
--
Cliff


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:20 am
From: Cliff


On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:42:28 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>There is a meeting of teabagger leaders meeting Michael Steele (head
>of RNC) today...over 51 are there!
>There isn't a teabagger party. There are a bunch of idiots running
>around all calling themselves teabaggers with no leadership and it's
>hilarious to watch these uncontrolled little pissants tear apart the
>republican party.

"Going Rouge"

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Rouge-Nightmare-Richard-Kim/dp/0757315240/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266509979&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Rouge-Sarah-Coloring-Activity/dp/0615332773/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266509979&sr=8-2

Palin can hunt and even field-strip a moose ....
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: electrical prints cummins engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/883938620783c17f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:18 am
From: "Karl Townsend"


25 years in a salt water bilge is not good for engine electrical wiring...

I'm looking to re-wire a Cummins 8.3 C diesel industrial engine. There's
not a whole lot there but it would help to have an engine electrical
drawing. Anybody have one by chance?

Otherwise, I do plan to cut the harness apart and chase each wire point A to
point B.

Karl


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TOPIC: Why have the Democrats suddenly hallted work on Solving the Health Care
Crisis?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/83aa5e51e0c6cfe5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:20 am
From: Larry Jaques


On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:45:51 -0800, the infamous pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> scrawled the following:

> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
>suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
>last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
>in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
>Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
>of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
>them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
>minorities?
> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>
> So unfair.
>
> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
>go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>
>tschus
>"Phred"

I laughed out loud at that one, Pete. Danke mucho, monsieur.


--
Note to The O -

You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do.
-- Henry Ford


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:22 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon


On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:38:47 -0500, "jaf" <me@here.com> wrote:

> "pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ak4pn51vctnr06f4a87454841pvmarp809@4ax.com... .>> Are you trying to
> tell me that the Democrats in the House, Senate
>> and 4th Estate, might be mendacious prevaricators when it comes to
>> their dedication to the needs of The People?
>>
>>
> Precisely.
> But "fucking liars" communicates the point in a more deserved demeaning
> vernacular. They are low life bottom feeding scum sucking rat faced
> liars.

Which is why they were voted out of office in 2008.

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century
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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/575dd2a6a3913041?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:45 am
From: "�n�hw��f"


"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> clouded the waters of pure
thought with news:lq4on595btofqlgb3erv78lk90avj9rn25@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:56:27 -0600, "§nühw¤£f"
> <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> puked:
>
>>"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> clouded the waters of pure
>>thought with news:mflln5d45oslrsqcg6flfkj3362qvbvgce@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:29:24 -0600, "§nühw¤£f"
>>> <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>
>>>>"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> clouded the waters of pure
>>>>thought with news:vagln5ht34bm93uaafkealh1h278nkg42d@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:29:18 -0600, Lookout
>>>>> <mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:38 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout
>>>>>>><mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout
>>>>>>>>><mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made
>>>>>>>>>>>>mistakes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But they DID.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=co
>>>>>>>m. mi
>>>>>>>crosoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=
>>>>>>>1I 7S UNA_en
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have fun
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When you edited out the previous post you lost any chance of a
>>>>>>discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't delete it from the internet, genius. I guess I
>>>>> should have considered your ADD problem. Anyway, your Obama
>>>>> administration said the homeland security worked like
>>>>> clockwork in the case of the xmas bomber.
>>>>
>>>>How did it now work? Who got hurt?
>>>
>>> The fucking guy brought an explosive on board an airplane.
>>> Exactly the thing homeland security is in place to prevent from
>>> happening. That's why they confiscate shampoo and mouthwash from
>>> little old ladies.
>>>
>>> The game plan isn't to have some jackass in coach hopping on top
>>> of a terrorist and disarming him. The fact that he brought the
>>> shit on the plane shows that the system failed.
>>>
>>> And if you want to argue with me, fine. Just bear in mind that
>>> you're taking sides with Janet Napolitano and not Obama, because
>>> HE even eventually admitted the system failed.
>>>
>>So the terrorist got hurt.
>>I see.
>>
>>>>
>>>>^_^
>>>>
>>>>> Shows how out of touch they, and
>>>>> you, are... --
>>>>
>>>>With what?
>>>
>>> Exactly. I couldn't have made my point better myself...
>>
>>So maybe you should get someone to help you next time.
>
> The problem isn't on this end of the internet...

How many people got hurt during the horrible catastropic Cristmas-
stopping Underwear bomb plot?

^_^

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TOPIC: Palin?s Unfavorability Ratings At All-Time High
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/444787d3bca9ddfe?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:56 am
From: Cliff


On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:01:28 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <6vggn5p88442naufd4c7ik4ajl19rcfqk5@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>@sneakemail.com says...
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:25:15 -0800, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> writing:
>>
>> >In article <k0egn5p62fopjbmispfv2lv85tjhpktlaa@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>> >@sneakemail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:44:10 -0800, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> >> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> >> writing:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <tm8gn5pgsdl92ph645l9jr8nn4hvqnnsds@4ax.com>,
>> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Americans would elect a ham sandwich for president if it would promise them
>> >> >> jobs and a higher income." --Ron Bonjean, GOP strategist
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Given the performance of the current resident of the whitehouse you have
>> >> >to agree that statement appears to be correct....
>> >>
>> >> So, how long did Obama and company have to clean up the mistakes of
>> >> the previous 8 years and dig the US out of the deepest hole since the
>> >> Great Depression?
>> >
>> >When will Obama and company START doing something about it besides
>> >paying off their political supporters ?
>>
>> So you can't answer the question derived from your previous ignorant
>> response. No surprise there.
>>
>> You make claims and when pressed on your own claims, you run and hide.
>
>It's a false premise to assing all responsability to the previous
>administration.

Good point.
Just BECAUSE they & the rethugs caused the problems is no
reason to blame them.
They know better than to ass responsability. Not while a winger is
left to lie.


>IIRC Obama was party to at least two of those years as a senator.

Water want over Niagara Falls too.
It's all water's fault for falling.

And these disasters were a decade in the planning & execution.
Or more. Ever since the rethugs invented free money .....


>> >> Maybe you can use your finely honed skills as an economic and policy
>> >> expert and explain how the policies of McCain/Palin would have
>> >> improved the situation.
>>
>> No response: no surprise there.
>
>Since Obama is pretty much following the same course I think you know
>what McCain would have done.

Unresponsive & evasive.

>> Well, cupcake, you are not showing much in the way of intelligence or
>> balls. Just mewling and whining like the average "all stupid, all the
>> time" wingnut.
>
>I can't help what you are, only you can change that.

He keeps whining & mewing.
--
Cliff


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:57 am
From: "§nühw¤£f"


Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
of pure thought with
news:2tuon5hvmkfvqcm2do4susn26q95412ceh@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:42:11 -0600, "§nühw¤£f"
> <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the
>>waters of pure thought with
>>news:rgvkn5hlahl3kvpa43p41nbktq467uohd1@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:35:12 -0600, No-bammer
>>> <no-bammer@fgi.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Cliff wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:58:50 -0600, "§nühw¤£f"
>>>>> <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the
>>>>>>waters of pure thought with
>>>>>>news:h12an5p6hrdjirucemjc2qbmfefbi94bsq@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/02/11/sarah-palin%E2%
>>>>>>>80 %99 s-unfavorability-ratings-at-all-time-high/
>>>>>>> "Sarah Palin's Unfavorability Ratings At All-Time High"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hell, even her *kids* are dissapointed with her:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.pavlovianobeisance.com/palin_embarassed.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some probably already suspected she was their mother. OTOH
>>>>> they may have been told they were found under cabbages or
>>>>> Palin may just not know what happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr-4zDjt37M
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose with wingers such matters as parentage are often
>>>>> it doubt.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is sad to see her using the latest to drop as a prop for
>>>>> the rethugs
>>>>> though. Did Rush call it a "retard"?
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnBgqCAZWaY
>>>>
>>>>Sounds more like you Left Wingers that can't tell fantasy from
>>>>reality and think that Tina Fey is Sarah Palin.
>>>
>>> Tina Fey MADE Palin famous !!!
>>> Palin owes it all to Tina Fey.
>>>
>>> Tina Fey for Pres in 2017 !!!
>>
>>She's too smart for the wingnut vote...
>
> She could pretend to be Palin.
> They would never know.

She was really good...Palin went on SNL then decided to...QUIT going
along with the script...

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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:58 am
From: Cliff


On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:04:47 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>That appears to be what Dear Leader is committed to doing, running.
>Not leading.

Herr shrubbie in his bunker & SureShot hiding in his
undisclosed locations.

Where are they today?
--
Cliff


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 8:59 am
From: Cliff


On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:04:47 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>What company wants to invest in expanding when you don't know what new
>law might be imposed to "save the planet".

Why invest?
What planet?
--
Cliff


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 9:00 am
From: Cliff


On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:04:47 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>I long ago decided that the response to childish insults was ridicule.

So you are happy with what you get.
--
Cliff


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 9:01 am
From: Cliff


On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:52:11 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'd note you attack the messenger..
>Must be the message hits home..

You are gibbering & frothing again.
--
Cliff


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 18 2010 9:04 am
From: Cliff


On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:52:11 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>Yet in 2008 the Bush administration asked for the House banking
>committee to consider new rules on Fannie Mae and mac...
>But the chair refused to even consider the idea, claiming that Fannie
>Mae was just fine.
>Curiously that same chair had been instrumental in pushing Fannie Mae to
>loosen rules on mortgages long before GW Bush became president.
>
>"In 1991, Frank and former Rep. Joe Kennedy, D-Mass., lobbied for Fannie
>to soften rules on multi-family home mortgages although those dwellings
>showed a default rate twice that of single-family homes, according to
>the Nov. 22, 1991, Boston Globe."
>http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080924145932.aspx

1991.
2008.

No more red lining.
It was not those that had been red lined that caused the problems.
--
Cliff


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