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TOPIC: HF battery drills
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:32 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Feb 24, 10:49 am, Ignoramus26960 <ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26960.invalid> wrote:
> There are good deals to be had at second hand stores.
>
> I bought a set of new Craftsman ratcheting combination wrenches for
> $10, just as one example. These guys, it seems, knew only one thing,
> which is how to haggle for scrap gold jewelry, and knew nothing about
> tools.
>
> The key is to just not agree to a price that is not advantageous.
>
> i

Those specialists may take in a tool that other dealers refused
because they saw that it needs expensive repairs. If I can't try out
the tool I won't risk paying much unless the dealer will take it back,
which is unusual.

OTOH the way tools are distributed and packaged now, the second-hand
store is the ONLY place I can buy a single Torx or Allen screwdriver,
a 1-1/2 - 8 tap and some Anderson power connectors in one trip.

It's a treasure hunt, beware of pirates.

jsw

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:31 am
From: "Steve B"

"Ignoramus21067" <ignoramus21067@NOSPAM.21067.invalid> wrote

. Some cheap things work out OK, though.
>
> i

I bought an electric string trimmer at a yard sale for $2. It worked for
about 15 minutes then went up in smoke. I bought another at a thrift store
for $4, and it is still chugging along. Still a lot cheaper than the $50 or
$60 they want for a new one. I've tossed stuff before that I got really
cheap, and figured I got more than my money's worth on it. But for reliable
stuff that can make me money or shut me down, I prefer to buy good tools.

Steve

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:34 am
From: "Steve B"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Steve B wrote:
>>
>> Let me put it to you this way: If you get out on a job, and your drill
>> doesn't work, do you? There are MANY things that you can cut corners on,
>> and cheap items are as good as expensive ones, but I don't consider a
>> good
>> battery drill to be in that category. Look at pawn shops. I have seen
>> some
>> killer deals there, and haggle with the guy from the moment you go in,
>> offering him a lowball price. Walk around. Chances are, by the time you
>> leave, they will want you to part with some of your money. If not, go to
>> the next pawn shop. Check your local Craigslist. A friend of mine got a
>> Porter Cable pancake compressor and three nail guns of various sizes, all
>> never used for $125. Plus a good shock of hose, and thousands of nails.
>>
>> You don't want your drill to take the rest of the day off when you are
>> not
>> finished. Look for one with an extra battery. Very important. I like
>> my
>> DeWalt 18v.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Is it one of the Dewalt cordless drills with a safety recall for
> being a fire hazard?
>
>
> <http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/recalls/DewaltSafetyrecall.pdf>
>
>
> --
> Greed is the root of all eBay.

No, it is the DeWalt that has been recalled for cutting people's fingers
when they grab the spinning bit instead of the chuck.

Moron.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:32 am
From: "Steve B"

Yesterday, I saw a really clean, gently used DeWalt 14.4 with two batteries
and a charger at a pawn shop for $70. They probably would have taken less.

Steve

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:37 am
From: "Steve B"

"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote

> I've never seen a good deal on a tool in a pawn shop in my life.

Porter Cable pancake compressor with three nailguns, 100' hose, and lots of
nails, $135.

DeWalt sliding compound sliding saw with new Diablo blade, $200.

Remington Monte Carlo grade 552 Speedmaster, $90.

HEAVY Rockwell Table saw with new blade, and large top, $50.

I could go on.

I think the pawn shops in my area must be different than yours.

Steve

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:49 am
From: "Steve B"

"Ignoramus26960" <ignoramus26960@NOSPAM.26960.invalid> wrote in message
news:S6-dnXpgNvcR1xjWnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> There are good deals to be had at second hand stores.
>
> I bought a set of new Craftsman ratcheting combination wrenches for
> $10, just as one example. These guys, it seems, knew only one thing,
> which is how to haggle for scrap gold jewelry, and knew nothing about
> tools.
>
> The key is to just not agree to a price that is not advantageous.
>
> i

Yesterday they had a Ryobi router for $60. New at HD was $70. If you know
your stuff, you can get deals. Some shops sell wrenches larger than 1"
throat for a couple of bucks. And they are brand names. They seem not to
be aware of some tools values. Other things are priced at new retail or
above.

The thing is to know your prices, and when they don't, you are in control.

Steve

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:52 am
From: "Steve B"

"Snag" <snag_one@comcast.net> wrote

> Steve , do your nitro pills also give you pounding headaches ? Worked in
> aerospace/missile stuff a couple decades ago . One of the solid rocket
> fuels I worked with used nitro . After the first headache I made damn sure
> not to get any on my skin or breath the vapors .
> --
> Snag

Yes, they do. Enough so that they give you morphine when you are in the
hospital. In the old days when people used nitroglycerine to blast with, it
was just a job hazard. You can also get them in skin patches. That is what
I was up against when I went and got these last tests.

Steve

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:13 am
From: Ignoramus26960

On 2010-02-24, Steve B <deserttraver@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
> "Ignoramus26960" <ignoramus26960@NOSPAM.26960.invalid> wrote in message
> news:S6-dnXpgNvcR1xjWnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> There are good deals to be had at second hand stores.
>>
>> I bought a set of new Craftsman ratcheting combination wrenches for
>> $10, just as one example. These guys, it seems, knew only one thing,
>> which is how to haggle for scrap gold jewelry, and knew nothing about
>> tools.
>>
>> The key is to just not agree to a price that is not advantageous.
>>
>> i
>
> Yesterday they had a Ryobi router for $60. New at HD was $70. If you know
> your stuff, you can get deals. Some shops sell wrenches larger than 1"
> throat for a couple of bucks. And they are brand names. They seem not to
> be aware of some tools values. Other things are priced at new retail or
> above.
>
> The thing is to know your prices, and when they don't, you are in control.

Steve, you got it exactly right, you have to know more than the other
guy, this is the key.

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TOPIC: Glenn Beck Is an AMERICAN PATRIOT
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:33 am
From: "Fred B. Brown"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:ueu9o5h5e5ngrafuvpuiq2a7ffvcovue6o@4ax.com...
>
> http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-proves-glenn-beck-is-a-communist.htm
> "Jon Stewart Proves Glenn Beck Is a Communist"
> [
> Taking aim at one of his favorite right-wing punching bags, Jon Stewart
> slammed
> Glenn Beck
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html
> over the anti-progressivism tirade he delivered at the Conservative
> Political
> Action Conference.
>
> During Beck's speech to the GOP faithful, he compared progressivism to
> communism, explaining how progressives like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin
> Roosevelt pushed for the income tax and universal health care. Beck
> boasted that
> he learned all about their communist leanings by reading books in a
> library for
> free. That prompted Jon Stewart to unload on him:
> "Glenn, the library isn't free! It's paid for with tax money. Free public
> libraries are the result of the Progressive movement to communally share
> books.
> The first public library was the Boston public library in 1854. It's
> statement
> of purpose: every citizen has the right to access community owned
> resources.
> Community owned? That sounds just like communist. You're a communist!"

Progressives and communists both have the same goal, strip the people of
their
rights and absolute government control of their lives. Barck Obama has
repeatedly
stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should be
scrapped.
If Obama had his way a new Constitution would have ALL POWER vested in the
government and there would be no Bill Of Rights.
Name one communist or progressive socialist country that has a Constution
and
Bill Of Rights the same as Americans do.
No other country in the world has the guaranteed rights and freedoms we do.

> Watch the video,
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html
> plus check out Stewart's complete review of CPAC,
> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-22-2010/cpac-2010---rage-within-the-machine
> or as he calls it, the "Festival of Whites."
> ...
> ]

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:01 am
From: "Buerste"

Well said!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:24 am
From: "Cheney's Free Doctors"

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"Buerste" <buerste@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
> news:ueu9o5h5e5ngrafuvpuiq2a7ffvcovue6o@4ax.com...
>>
>> http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-proves-obammy-is-a-communist.htm
>> "Jon Stewart Proves Obammy Is a Communist"
>>
>
> Well said!

Yes for a bin Ladin supporter.

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TOPIC: Another one strikes back
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:54 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Steve B" <deserttraver@fishmail.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.wlwt.com/news/22600154/detail.html
>

<sigh> Another liberal who doesn't respect the sanctity of contracts...

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Nuts define left-wing movement
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:58 am
From: "Buerste"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.pnj.com/article/20100224/OPINION/2240312/Neo-con-nuts-define-left-wing-movement
> "Neo-Socialist Libtard Douchebagger nuts define left-wing movement"

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TOPIC: Al Outboard engine - clearing out waterways
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:03 am
From: RoyJ

When I was in that business (a LONG time ago!) we had a 2 gallon
pressure sprayer with gear oil. Complete refill took 5 minutes (mostly
waiting for the oil to drain), topping off took 60 seconds. Checked
every motor that went though the shop.

>>> Actually it is pretty easy... with the right gear. The easy way is to
>>> buy the gear oil in one of those "toothpaste" tubes. Take out the two
>>> plugs and let the old stuff drain out then jam the nozzle of the oil
>>> tube in the lower hole and squeeze. When oil comes out the top screw
>>> the plug in. Then take the tube out of the bottom hole - the oil won't
>>> leak out - and screw in the plug. Almost quicker to do then to tell.
>>>
>>
>> I use a pump, but basically the same thing.
>>
>> 1. Place bucket under unit.
>> 2. Pull bottom plug.
>> 3. Pull top plug.
>> a. Inspect oil draining from unit for metal particles and color
>> b. If brown you have water in oil, plan on a seal kit.
>> c. If any metal particles larger than tiny slivers, plan on
>> a complete rebuild soon.
>> 4. Pump oil in bottom hole until it comes out top hole.
>> 5. Replace plug in top hole.
>> 6. Remove pump.
>> 7. Place plug in bottom hole.
>>
>> It's a really good idea to replace the gaskets on both plugs.
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm sure you guys are assuming that you can actually get to the gearbox.
>
> Probably even thought you'd take the motor off of the boat.
>
> Or maybe the boat is on a trailer!
>
>
>

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TOPIC: Obama's Healthplan proposal
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:05 am
From: Deucalion

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:14:22 -0800, Peter Franks <none@none.com>
wrote:

>Dan wrote:
>> Peter Franks wrote:
>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>> Here is the Obama Healthplan proposal for Thursday's meeting.
>>>>
>>>> http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WHhealth20100222.pdf
>>>
>>> It's still socialism:
>>>
>>> "The House and Senate bills require individuals who have affordable
>>> options but who choose to remain uninsured to make a payment to offset
>>> the cost of care they will inevitably need."
>>>
>>> Socialism: benevolence through compulsion.
>>
>> No benevolence at all. I guess you would have these people sign a
>> document requiring health care providers refuse them care since they
>> will not be able to pay for said care?
>
>Who says they can't pay for their care? What kind of a red herring is that?

I take it that you never talked to gunner?

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TOPIC: Palin caught lying again !!!
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:11 am
From: Patriot Games

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:38:01 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:33:50 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >Patriot Games wrote:
>> >> Alaska DOES NOT have a nuclear plant (yet).
>> > It did at Ft. Greely, but it was decommisioned about 40 years ago.
>> Not exactly... That site was less (if at all) about providing
>> electricity and more (if not entirely) about enriching uranium.
> Where you there?

Nope.

>I lived across the street from it.

Sure you did.........

>It was a
>complete failure in any case. They kept losing the bearings on the
>turbine when someone on the Alaskan Power grid would drop one of their
>large generators online without warning. It was decommissioned after
>several years of trying to solve the problems. They went back to their
>Diesel powered generators full time.

http://www.akaction.net/pages/critical/ftgreely.html

http://www.akaction.net/FTGreely.pdf

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:18 am
From: Patriot Games

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:30:29 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:04:36 -0500, Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:33:50 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>><mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>Patriot Games wrote:
>>>> Alaska DOES NOT have a nuclear plant (yet).
>>> It did at Ft. Greely, but it was decommisioned about 40 years ago.
>>Not exactly... That site was less (if at all) about providing
>>electricity and more (if not entirely) about enriching uranium.
> It produced 2 MW it looks like. Electrical power.
> As "SM-1A operated at a uranium-235 enrichment of 93 percent"
>I don't quite see how it would "enrich Uranium"as it was fueled with
>very highly enriched Uranium to begin with.
> IIRC Most power plants are enriched to the 3 to 5% range, not
>to (nearly, I presume) weapons grade.

Do everyone a favor and STOP pretending you know anything, k?

Weapons-grade uranium IS u-235, dumbass.

"Highly enriched uranium is considered weapons-grade when it has been
enriched to about 90% U-235."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons-grade

That experimental plant was not put there to provide electricity for
the Base's TVs and toasters, it was put there because it was the most
remote place in all of America and they were trying to super-enrich
uranium for weapons....

Duh...

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:19 am
From: Patriot Games

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:20:25 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:06:31 -0500, Patriot Games <Patriot@america.com> wrote:
>>>>Alaska DOES NOT have a nuclear plant (yet).
>>> Like the older one at Fort Greely, ALASKA?
>>Shut down in 1972, ASSHOLE.
> YOU claimed "Alaska DOES NOT have a nuclear plant (yet)."
> I pointed out that they indeed had one.

Alaska has NEVER had a commercial nuclear power plant for generating
electricity.

>>>>Oil and gas production IS energy, ASSHOLE.
>>>>> And much of that goes into...
>>>>It DOES NOT matter what the electricity is used for, ASSHOLE.
>>> So just because...
>>It's always FUN to beat you down in public and urinate on you.

See above, Dunce.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:44 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 2/24/2010 8:30 AM, Cliff wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:08:30 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>> Be more specific, they are "all" ugly and old.... even the young ones
>> look ugly and old under the painted faces.
>>
>> Their soul is full of hate.
>
> Ann Coulter: "In October 2007, she began dating Andrew Stein, the former
> president of the New York City Council, a liberal Democrat."
> "At one public lecture she said: "I don't care about anything else: Christ
> died for my sins and nothing else matters.""
> "Coulter has stated that "I'm a Christian first and a mean-spirited, bigoted
> conservative second, and don't you ever forget it.""
>
> HTH
Sarcasm

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:49 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:re2ao5ddggeku9qgqoekauauvq2eom8472@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:58:26 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Where does the Constitution grant the
>>> government power to regulate guns?
>>
>>It doesn't.
>
> Define "arms" *in the context of the day*.

We know what it means....what does it mean to you?

> Such rights to regulate small-arms was reserved to the
> States & local governments.

That power has been assumed by states as a police power but it is not
spelled out in the Constitution.

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

"Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."

--Joseph T. Chew

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TOPIC: Nam Vet Epic Beard Man vs. Tyronne: AC Transit Bus Fight
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:25 am
From: Dave__67

On Feb 24, 9:41 am, Mark Rand <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:06:46 -0800 (PST), Dave__67 <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Feb 23, 2:26 am, Don Foreman <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:19:04 -0500, dav1936...@nowhere.invalid wrote:
> >> >(re: recent thread on respect for vets)
>
> >> >Oh dayummm......
>
> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZf39fzu1Q4
>
> >> >better call the amber-lamps.
>
> >> >Hitler comments:
>
> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTxcNzz4PMI
>
> >> >Dave
>
> >> The older fella clearly retreated rather than engage. The younger
> >> aggressor pursued and attacked. He's probably lucky to be alive.
>
> >> Everyone knows that seniors are fragile. Any violent physical attack
> >> must therefore be construed by them as deadly threat and dealt with
> >> accordingly if possible. Old vets aren't as strong and quick as young
> >> men, but combat skills and experience aren't totally forgotten when
> >> hair turns gray or disappears altogether. Most vets hated every
> >> horrible day of combat but the survivors became competent at it. They
> >> do not regard a fight as recreation or sport but as an activity to be
> >> avoided if at all possible. Most of them are not easy to provoke. They
> >> know that if attacked they must stop/drop their attacker before they
> >> are greviously or fatally harmed, and that things can get legally
> >> messy after successful self defense because many Americans revile the
> >> veterans that did battle by command of the politicans those Americans
> >> elected.
>
> >Well, not quite. When the 'youth' went back to his seat, the old
> >fellar egged him on one last time.
>
> >The old dude is somewhat well known in that area for picking fights.
> >But, if someone crosses the line from shouts to violence, getting
> >'egged on' is no defense- old guy lured him in, but he took a swing at
> >the old guy and got his ass handed to him, which is OK by me.
>
> >He's a tough bastard, gotta give him that.
>
> >Dave
>
> He used threatening and insulting language to provoke a fight and then
> proceeded to commit grievous bodily harm. Five years is the tariff for that.
> (in civilized parts of the world)
>
> Mark Rand
> RTFM

I agree santa provoked the fight, but the other guy crossing the line
to physical made it legal self-defense.

Dave

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TOPIC: Obama turns confidence clock back to 1983
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:27 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:51:30 -0600, "Snag" <snag_one@comcast.net> wrote:

> cavelamb wrote:
>> For what it's worth...
>>
>> On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a
>> two-page amendment that would require all Members and their staffs to
>> enroll in any new government-run health plan..
>> It took me less than a minute to sign up to require our congressmen
>> and senators to drink at the same trough!
>> Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana ! Congressman
>> John Fleming ( Louisiana physician) has proposed an
>> amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same
>> healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are
>> curiously exempt).
>>
>> Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and Sign
>> his petition (very simple - just email).
>> I have just done just that at:
>> http://fleming.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=55
>
> I think they should be on Social Security too , just like the rest of us
> . I also went to the website and voted "yes" .

Being on Social Security is fine but to make it fair you'd have to take
away their Civil Service Retirement System benefits.

"Long time congressman Ron Paul has always refused to participate in the
congressional pension system, labeling it "immoral".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_pension

--
Regards, Curly
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TOPIC: hardfacing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:25 am
From: "Steve B"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> jk wrote:
>>
>> "Snag" <snag_one@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I figgered he was just braggin' .....
>>
>> Yeah, but we don't know how the doctor rephrased, could be he said
>> you can lift 3x that much ....
>
>
> Or that he was into collecting miniatures! ;-)
>
>
> --
> Greed is the root of all eBay.

QUIT!

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TOPIC: UG vs Mastercam
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:36 am
From: Lehnsherr

Um... [presents free ticket to the Clue Train]

This is the ProE... that's *Pro/Engineer*... forum.
NOT the Mastercam, Solidworks, Gumball GUI, or CircleJerkFlameWars
forum.

So shoo.

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TOPIC: CNC Bridgeport with Heidenhein control
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5812568ce8efba7d?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:53 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Ignoramus26960" <ignoramus26960@NOSPAM.26960.invalid> wrote in message
news:-LudnTV_PNwh1BjWnZ2dnUVZ_oJi4p2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-02-24, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>> Load up and run EMC2 or Mach3 in demo mode with no machine. I use Mach3,
>> mostly because it was ready for prime time before EMC2 was. When I
>> started with CNC I tried EMC (EMC2 wasn't out then) and Mach3 side by
>> side on identical PCs controlling the same machine (at different times)
>> and chose Mach3 as the more polished solution. EMC2 should be more on
>> par with Mach3, but I haven't tried it since I already have Mach3 and
>> the hobby license is unlimited.
>>
>> CNC controls are a *lot* simpler than you might think, and a little
>> fiddling and you should have it figured out very quickly. The G code
>> that CNC controllers operate on is nothing more than simple positioning
>> commands for the most part. Where is gets complicated is in the CAD/CAM
>> end and generating code for full 3D work, and you really don't need to
>> get fully into that for hobby work. Most hobby work tends to be 2.5D,
>> not full 3D and that makes it quite a bit simpler. Look at SheetCAM for
>> an example of a decent 2.5D CAM package.
>>
>> For hobby work, you'll find that the few things you really need 3D moves
>> for are usually ones that are easy enough to hand code. There are
>> specific G code commands for arcs and stuff which are useful if you're
>> hand coding, but they aren't typically used by CAM programs which mostly
>> generate the code as line segments since code length isn't a concern on
>> an modern CNC control.
>
> Thank you Pete. Are there some provisions for using this mill in kind
> of manual mode. Let's say that I just want to drill a hole in a part
> and mill off a corner, something that is easy to do with a manual
> mill. How much harder would it be to do with CNC. Maybe with keyboard
> arrows or some such. The question probably shows my ignorance, but I
> want to know how much I am giving up by switching to CNC.

Mach 3 has "Wizards" included in the licensed version that will allow you to
simple code very quickly for mill drilling, pocketing and surfacing.

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