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TOPIC: What is it? Set 323
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:31 am
From: "Rob H."

>>
>> This item does have a function, and the knurling is for a better grip
>> when mounting it.
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 1849: How about for calibrating pressure gages? It could be for a gas
> or a liquid. The orifice is small. When it gets high enough, the ball
> will float on a cushion, spinning easily. If it's too high, there will
> be some sort of bouncing, vibration, hissing, or spurting.
>
> When it will quietly spin, you know your exact pressure and can set your
> gage.

Nope, that's not it. It has something to do with water.

Rob

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:16 am
From: Nahmie

On Feb 11, 5:10 am, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need some help identifying two of the items in this set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob

OK, I've looked @ some of the other answers, but I'll drop my first
impression guesses.

1849 - my first thought was some type of pressure regulator.
1852 - Obviously horse drawn, from looking @ other pieces in picture,
also the drawing has a "whiffle-tree" for single horse hookup. First
thought was a planters unit, with operator having "sets" on each side,
and putting them in ground in the front opening. Second though, some
type of horse drawn cutter, as the angled pieces labelled "8" in the
drawing look like they may be sharp edged, unit being pulled between
rows and cutting off whatever grows on each side.
1853 - is that "caning" material in the cutter? Looks like the guide
brings the material in @ an angle, and there is a stop so it doesn't
cut very deep. Maybe for putting a "point" on caning so it is easier
to thread?
1854 - I'll agree with someone else, looks like a pack saddle.

Norm

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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:33 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 2/12/2010 3:54 AM, Cliff wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:14:45 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
>> No one ever defended Bush
>> by saying he was a genius, that's the line you guys use for Obama.
>>
>> Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>> hidden...
>
> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>
> HTH

I'm thinking "Harvard" would like you to forget that by now....

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:48 am
From: Lookout

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:56:23 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
wrote:

>
>
>"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>news:hl258h$3qf$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>>>>> Sarah "Palm Pilot" read her entire speech word for word from paper on
>>>>> the
>>>>> lectern.
>>>>>
>>>> I bet she can pronounce corpse-man correctly, though. 8)
>>>
>>> I bet bush still can't pronounce nuclear but that never bothered you.
>>> Why are you so two faced? Were you brought up this way..learned it
>>> from you're parents or did you become a shallow little ignorant
>>> lemming all by yourself?
>>
>>
>> He's just desperate is all. These clowns are down to the bottom of the
>> barrel when it comes to criticizing the president. They don't have
>> anything of substance they can say about him and they can only find little
>> tiny things like a word mispronunciation and other things just as trivial
>> to try to make him look bad. It just shows that they have nothing. When
>> they are that desperate it tells you how good Obama is really doing. So I
>> say thanks for pointing out what a great job Obama is doing. All you can
>> find to criticize is nothing but jack shit. Not like the last guy is it?
>>
>> Hawke
>
>Do you have something of substance to say about 0bama? No you don't, because
>you can't. Still waiting for you to list his accomplishments as President,
>you loser. Not all of them, maybe just 6 or 7. Right here below would be
>just fine ->
>
>1.
>2.
>3.
>4.
>5.
>6.
>7.
>
>Oh look, a bunch of blanks. No wonder they call him Zero.

His presidency isn't over.
Nice try

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:49 am
From: Lookout

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:48:06 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

>"Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in
>news:hl2oc6$phh$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>
>> "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in message
>> news:4b74df8b@news.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hl258h$3qf$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sarah "Palm Pilot" read her entire speech word for word from paper
>>>>>>> on the lectern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet she can pronounce corpse-man correctly, though. 8)
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet bush still can't pronounce nuclear but that never bothered you.
>>>>> Why are you so two faced? Were you brought up this way..learned it
>>>>> from you're parents or did you become a shallow little ignorant
>>>>> lemming all by yourself?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's just desperate is all. These clowns are down to the bottom of the
>>>> barrel when it comes to criticizing the president. They don't have
>>>> anything of substance they can say about him and they can only find
>>>> little tiny things like a word mispronunciation and other things just
>>>> as trivial to try to make him look bad. It just shows that they have
>>>> nothing. When they are that desperate it tells you how good Obama is
>>>> really doing. So I say thanks for pointing out what a great job Obama
>>>> is doing. All you can find to criticize is nothing but jack shit. Not
>>>> like the last guy is it?
>>>>
>>>> Hawke
>>>
>>> Do you have something of substance to say about 0bama? No you don't,
>>> because you can't. Still waiting for you to list his accomplishments as
>>> President, you loser. Not all of them, maybe just 6 or 7. Right here
>>> below would be just fine ->
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> 2.
>>> 3.
>>> 4.
>>> 5.
>>> 6.
>>> 7.
>>>
>>> Oh look, a bunch of blanks. No wonder they call him Zero.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make
>> recommendations for ways to cut spending
>> 2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut
>> wasteful spending and practices
>> 3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
>> 4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
>> 5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when
>> the body arrives at Dover AFB
>> 6. Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
>> 7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to
>> Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to
>> respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family
>> 8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of
>> Information Act
>> 9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency
>> as much as possible
>> 10. Limits on lobbyist's access to the White House
>> 11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure
>> in the administration
>> 12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in
>> Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
>> 13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons
>> systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
>> 14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
>> 15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
>> 16. New federal funding for science and research labs
>> 17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above
>> federal standards
>> 18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants)
>> after years of neglect
>> 19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
>> 20. New funds for school construction
>> 21. The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
>> 22. US Auto industry rescue plan
>> 23. Housing rescue plan
>> 24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
>> 25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the
>> new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having
>> trouble paying
>> 26. US financial and banking rescue plan
>> 27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are
>> being closed
>> 28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is
>> in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
>> 29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
>> 30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
>> 31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the
>> nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
>> 32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
>> 33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse
>> gas emissions
>> 34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any
>> president in his first six months in office
>> 35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized
>> the SEALS to do their job
>> 36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
>> 37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
>> 38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel
>> inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
>> 39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for
>> the federal government
>> 40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more
>> children
>> 41. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service
>> program
>> 42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return
>> home to visit loved ones
>> 43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon
>> dioxide emissions
>> 44. Expanding vaccination programs
>> 45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and
>> other natural disasters
>> 46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
>> 47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain
>> access to records of tax evaders and criminals
>> 48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations
>> who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to
>> bring jobs back
>> 49. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in
>> place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's
>> predatory practices
>> 50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their
>> energy from renewable sources
>> 51. Lower drug costs for seniors
>> 52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating
>> with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now
>> realizing hundreds of millions in savings
>> 53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
>> 54. Improved housing for military personnel
>> 55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
>> 56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other
>> military hospitals
>> 57. Increasing student loans
>> 58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
>> 59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been
>> neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and
>> diplomacy
>> 60. Established a new cyber security office
>> 61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20
>> years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes
>> new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and
>> cyber units and operations, etc.
>> 62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
>> 63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
>> 64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the
>> federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
>> 65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their
>> loans refinanced
>> 66. Improving benefits for veterans
>> 67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access
>> than previous administration
>> 68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
>> 69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
>> 70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
>> 71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite
>> scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
>> 72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres.
>> Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
>> 73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to
>> secure the release of an American held captive
>> 74. Making more loans available to small businesses
>> 75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing
>> the costs of Medicare
>> 76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
>> 77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care
>> for veterans
>> 78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
>> 79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
>> 80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
>> 81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
>> 82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid,
>> development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices
>> by Afghans
>> 83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with
>> renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
>> 84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices
>> and private living quarters
>> 85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own
>> pocket
>> 86. Held first Seder in White House
>> 87. Attempting to reform the nation's healthcare system which is the most
>> expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health
>> insurance and millions more under insured
>> 88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
>> 89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
>> 90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
>> 91. Oh, and he built a swing set for the girls outside the Oval Office!
>>
>> by Robert P. Watson, Ph.D.Coordinator of American Studies
>> Lynn University"
>>
>> Nov 19, 2009...That was three months ago....there must be more by now.
>>
>> 92. Invited Republicans to a televised White House Healthcare conference
>> (live) February 25
>>
>>
>
>IOW much sound and fury signifying nothing.

Nope. Means you have nothing again but you felt some need to respond.
Why?

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TOPIC: OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:34 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:56:51 -0800 (PST), "dcaster@krl.org"
<dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
<snip>
>> and we need to make sure that all growth accrues to the well being of the
>> large majority of citizens.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
>The brightest spot that I can see is biotech. Still lots going on
>there. Look at companies as Monsanto, Illuminati. But I do not see
>much for the high school graduate. There is going to be much less
>demand for low skilled labor.
<snip>
==========
One of the major problems appears to be continuing to apply
assumptions, theories, metrics and logic to situations/conditions
where these are no longer operational, particularly when these
are tacit and/or subliminal.

One example, how is U.S. economic well-being measured by a metric
such as the Dow that is grossly affected by internal/domestic PRC
fiscal/financial policy changes?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/us_wall_street
Stocks swoon after China brakes lending again
By STEPHEN BERNARD and TIM PARADIS, AP Business Writers Stephen
Bernard And Tim Paradis, Ap Business Writers – 26 mins ago

NEW YORK – Stocks skidded Friday after China said for the second
time in a month it would force its banks to reduce their lending.

The Dow Jones industrial average fell 105 points in midday
trading after China said it would require banks to increase
reserve levels. The surprising move comes a day after a tame
inflation report raised hopes that China wouldn't have to further
tighten its monetary policy or take other steps to put the brakes
on its supercharged economy.

Chinese regulators are trying to contain rapid economic growth
there to prevent speculative investment bubbles. Investors worry
that a slowdown in China could disrupt a U.S. recovery by hurting
exports and profits of companies that do business there.

A similar action to curb bank lending nearly a month ago in China
spooked the market and helped start a slide that has brought
major indexes down for four straight weeks. As of late morning
the Dow was trading just above 10,000 and barely in the black for
the week.
<snip>
===========

Other areas of concern include the fact that there are no longer
any American companies, only transnational corporations that are
domiciled in the U.S., including biotech.

Any advances/developments that in the past would have generated
domestic [U.S.] investment and jobs with high value-added
operations and high economic multipliers are now immediately
exported to countries with low wages/taxes and lax environmental
and other standards, including worker safety, in spite of the
fact that the products and methodology may have been developed
with governmental [tax payer] funds.

It should also be noted that "only" a high school education does
not automatically equate to low skills/knowledge nor does a
college degree necessarily equate to any useful skill or
knowledge for gainful employment.

The fact that it is now generally considered necessary for an
individual to invest 4 or more years of their lives and
100,000$U.S. to prove they are "worthy" [of employment and full
participation in society] says more about the problems of the
current U.S. socio-economic/political milieu than it does about
the individual. Increasingly, even after the "investment" of
large amounts of time and money, the individual is still unable
to find reasonable/suitable employment, and is burdened with
crippling student loan repayment.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703822404575019082819966538.html?KEYWORDS=%22college+education%22
<snip>
One problem he sees with the estimates: They don't take into
account deductions from income taxes or breaks in employment. Nor
do they factor in debt, particularly student debt loads, which
have ballooned for both public and private colleges in recent
years. In addition, the income data used for the Census estimates
is from 1999, when total expenses for tuition and fees at the
average four-year private college were $15,518 per year. For the
2009-10 school year, that number has risen to $26,273, and it
continues to increase at a rate higher than inflation.
<snip>
------------

It should be crystal clear that the only alternative to the
current corporate kamikaze pilot dive to the economic bottom is
the forcing of the corporations to more equitably share their
advances in productivity with their employees by reducing the
standard work week, possibly to 30 hours with current pay and
benefits, with draconian penalties for evasion.

Additionally the very high earners, for example those earning
more than 10 times the median US income, [currently
704k$US/family] *SHOULD* pay much higher taxes, including social
security, as much of this income was the result of their
decisions to, or at least the aiding and abetting in, export U.S.
jobs, which would have paid taxes in the past.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ocs/liheap/guidance/SMI75FY09.pdf

One useful place to start is the removal of the current social
security earnings tax cap, currently 106,800$. In and of itself,
this would resolve the projected SS "shortfall" for several
years.
http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/americans_agree_on_how_to_fix_social_security/

When we don't get what we want, we get what we deserve...

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:41 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ufOdnSXms6ZJYenWnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>I guess the problem that I have is that you are a rational man.
> I just don't see that in the political mess.
>

I'm going mostly on history, Richard. And the numbers.

There are all kinds of surprising facts in the numbers. For example, the
percentage of employed adults now is higher than it was in the '50s.
Manufacturing output in the US, except for the recessionary downturn, has
been on a steady climb for decades.

These things don't mean that everything is really Ok. They do mean that our
problems are structural.

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:48 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:27187a27-4b02-4aea-8002-9e5cdd3be8be@m4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 12, 6:05 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

> It's just never looked sustainable to me. But those breakthroughs kept
> coming, and they've dominated economic growth during our adult lifetimes.
> Now the breakthroughs have slowed down and we've become dependent on
> bubbles.
>

> Without a shot at sustainable 4+% growth, we'll have a hell of a time
> digging out of future recessions. So I see some changes coming in the
> operating model. Don't ask me what they are; I don't have a clue. I can
> hypothesize some things but they're just guesses.
> We do need to adjust to slower growth,
> and we need to make sure that all growth accrues to the well being of the
> large majority of citizens.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

>The brightest spot that I can see is biotech. Still lots going on
>there. Look at companies as Monsanto, Illuminati. But I do not see
>much for the high school graduate. There is going to be much less
>demand for low skilled labor.
>
> Dan

Yeah, biotech continues to look like the next big thing, but it's been flat
for a while now. Nanotech is another one that's yet to realize its
potential. And there are a few others.

But they're like hopping from one lover to another. I still can't believe
it's a long-term, sustaining thing. The possible exception for long-term,
heavy-duty stimulus is alternative energy.

--
Ed Huntress

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:07 am
From: cavelamb

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:ufOdnSXms6ZJYenWnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> I guess the problem that I have is that you are a rational man.
>> I just don't see that in the political mess.
>>
>
> I'm going mostly on history, Richard. And the numbers.
>
> There are all kinds of surprising facts in the numbers. For example, the
> percentage of employed adults now is higher than it was in the '50s.
> Manufacturing output in the US, except for the recessionary downturn, has
> been on a steady climb for decades.
>
> These things don't mean that everything is really Ok. They do mean that our
> problems are structural.
>

I'm suspicious that Mark Twain's comment about lies, damn lies, and statistics
may be invoked there, Ed.

For example, the percentage of employed adults now is higher than it was in the
'50s could be simply that women are working now.

It takes two?
To maintain the desired standard of living?

Or that more families have broken apart and There are more single parent families?

There are more ways to interpret that, but you get my drift?

The numbers are interesting - and compelling.

But what do they really mean to us?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:16 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:05:10 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
<snip>
>I do indeed believe that everything is going
>to be Ok. My concern about jobs goes back 35 years -- it's a concern with
>the economic system, not with the long-term well-being of the country. I saw
>a train wreck ahead with saturating markets, low-cost Asian manufacturing,
>large gains in productivity, and our growing dependency on big, historic
>technological breakthroughs to give employment and the economy as a whole a
>periodic boost.
>
>It's just never looked sustainable to me. But those breakthroughs kept
>coming, and they've dominated economic growth during our adult lifetimes.
>Now the breakthroughs have slowed down and we've become dependent on
>bubbles.
<snip>
================
This may describe part of the problem:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601108&sid=a3OkrdITAZtA
<snip>
His campaign to drag the ==>$605 trillion over-the-counter
derivatives market<== out of the shadows is designed to lower
spreads between buyers and sellers and make it easier for new
competitors to enter the market, ultimately depriving banks of
billions of dollars in profit.
<snip>
Maximize Bonuses

Gensler said in an interview that he was trying to make clear at
the bankers' lunch that their interests are to maximize the
profits of their shareholders and "to maximize their own
individual compensation. We shouldn't confuse that it's set up
for the taxpayers."
<snip>
Big Five

The five biggest U.S. players in derivatives -- Goldman Sachs,
Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup Inc. and Morgan
Stanley -- had $52.83 billion in revenue from trading derivatives
and cash securities in the first nine months of 2009, according
to Federal Reserve reports. Goldman Sachs was the largest with
revenue of $19.8 billion, followed by Bank of America's $10.64
billion and JPMorgan's $9.34 billion. Citigroup showed revenue of
$6.84 billion and Morgan Stanley, $6.21 billion.
<snip>
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:38 am
From: "Pete C."

Bob La Londe wrote:
>
> "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:4b757cbb$0$25614$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
> >
> > Bob La Londe wrote:
> >>
> >> What is the big key to the speed of this machine?
> >>
> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4550191913648686955#docid=-1684953814431369082
> >>
> >> Looks like they are cutting about 1/4 plate at a really aggressive rate.
> >> Obviously ramping and spray lubricant help, but that is not all it takes
> >> to
> >> cut that aggressively or is this also a super high speed spindle?
> >>
> >> My experience so far has been that if I try to take off more than about
> >> .003
> >> by .250 per pass I can run about 20 IPM with aluminum with lubricant.
> >> This
> >> looks like they are taking about .250 by .1875 in a single pass after
> >> ramping in at something like 60 IPM.
> >>
> >> Excuse my numbers if they are off since I can only judge this process by
> >> what is shown on the video and guess at the dimensions.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Definitely a high speed spindle with a fair amount of HP, high pressure
> > coolant to clear chips, and most importantly rigidity.
>
> I was thinking spindle speed had to be the key. Everything else you can
> see. How fast do you think they are spinning to be able to do that?
>
>

Guessing based on sound at least 10k, perhaps 15k. Has to spin fast to
keep the chip load per tooth low at those feeds.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:54 am
From: Richard J Kinch

Bob La Londe writes:

> What is the big key to the speed of this machine?

Gotta be that salsa music. Chukka chukka tick tick tick ...

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:42 am
From: "Existential Angst"

Jim Stewart wrote:
> Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>>> He's not that far from me, I keep meaning to drive up there and egg
>>> all his property.....
>>
>> A few years ago, a friend of mine and I rode our bikes up there from
>> Northern, NJ on a weekend. It was in the 60's and raining hard. We
>> arrived 5 minutes before they closed down the old shop and they
>> wouldn't even let us in to dry off.
>>
>> ...Now, I'm 5' 8" tall and was around 270 lbs. My friend is 6' 8"
>> tall and *at least* 450 lbs... It's not like they missed seeing us
>> out the window or something. :)
>
> Indian Larry was the man. Too bad he's dead.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Desmedt
>
> OCC is silly entertainment, Jesse James is pretty
> good, but neither held my attention like Indian
> Larry.

He was on the tube? Never saw him.

But, imo, ALL these shows are silly, which is a special shame, cuz all these
shows *could* be highly educational, riveting, if you will.

Instead, it seems they are diabolically designed to leave the viewer with
zero clues as to what is really going on, there is so much sleight of hand,
editing wizardry. Yeah, you see a little mig, a little bending, but none of
the process.
And indeed, why spill the beans, eh?

I'm sure people already skilled in the art get a few tips, ideas, etc, but
the rest of us are just dodging wads.

So instead of any insight, education, we get a bunch of eyecandy, sophomoric
""humor"", and assholes J'gTO in our hair, that's such a bitch to wash
out.... I hate that.....

In fact, I stopped riding motorcycles cuz the helmets always messed up my
hair.... so you can imagine how I feel about wads.....

Pawn Stars is almost stomach-able -- really, a more inneresting Antiques
Road Show, and sans all those asshole homeowners. Much more inneresting to
see some gambler tryna cop some quick cash to feed his habit, pay off a
debt.
.
However, now that Pawn Stars seems to finding its "rhythm', and more
importantly, the pulse of the Viewing Assaholics, it's getting more
choreographed, predictable, and stupid.

And, whazzup with all these mongoloid kids, from these successful bidniss
owners? Mikey..... Big Hoss??? goodgawd.....
--
EA

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:45 am
From: "Existential Angst"

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>> He's not that far from me, I keep meaning to drive up there and egg
>> all his property.....
>
> A few years ago, a friend of mine and I rode our bikes up there from
> Northern, NJ on a weekend. It was in the 60's and raining hard. We
> arrived 5 minutes before they closed down the old shop and they
> wouldn't even let us in to dry off.
>
> ...Now, I'm 5' 8" tall and was around 270 lbs. My friend is 6' 8"
> tall and *at least* 450 lbs... It's not like they missed seeing us
> out the window or something. :)

Man, good thing y'all prefer bikes to horses, eh? Those horsies dodged a
bullet, yo....

Hey, you were riding in the 60's??? I thought you was a youngster!!
So, yer OLD, like me!!!!

When ahm ready to egg OCC, are you comin along??
--
EA

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:13 am
From: "Joe AutoDrill"

> Man, good thing y'all prefer bikes to horses, eh? Those horsies dodged a
> bullet, yo....

Absolutely!

> Hey, you were riding in the 60's??? I thought you was a youngster!!
> So, yer OLD, like me!!!!

...Degrees Fahrenheit

> When ahm ready to egg OCC, are you comin along??

Only if I can bring 100 year old eggs from the local Asian supply store.
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TOPIC: Vise jaws, soft vs. hard
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:48 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> I use smooth hard jaws all the time in my bench vise. The hard jaws
> stay smooth. I only tighten the vise as much as necessary for what I
> am doing. Since the jaws stay smooth, I think they do not mar the
> pieces being held as much as soft jaws that are no longer smooth
> because they were used to grip rough items.
>
> What sort of jaws do you use in a milling machine vise?
>
> Dan

Good point! As long as the jaws are smooth they aren't going to mar
anything. But if you had to grip something so rough that it would mar
your hard jaws, it would be good to use some sacrificial jaws, or inserts.

Thanks,
Bob

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:54 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

Cross-Slide wrote:
> The scopes are literally connected to points A and D.

No, no, NO. Two instruments connected to the same 2 points will not
give different readings just because you say that one of them is reading
the right-side voltage & the other is reading the left. Absurd on the
face of it!

> Think about This mind experiment...
> You have two resistors connected in a ring around a ( tree for the
> sake of visualization) When you are looking at the south resistor, on
> the south side of the tree, and current is flowing through the
> resistor, The East point is Positive and the west point is negative.
>
> Since the current is flowing around the ring..
> As you look at the North resistor, on the north side of the tree, the
> West point is positive, and the East point is negative. It HAS to be,
> since the current is still flowing in the same direction..

We're not talking about polarity, but magnitude.

Bob

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:25 am
From: Winston

On 2/12/2010 8:54 AM, Someone Else wrote:

(...)

I built and tested the prof's circuit just now.

The voltage across R1 and R2 were equal in
voltage and polarity.

How could they not be?

--Winston

--
Support the blind and deaf. Hire a delusional today!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:38 am
From: Dave__67

On Feb 12, 2:25 pm, Winston <Wins...@bigbrother.net> wrote:
> On 2/12/2010 8:54 AM, Someone Else wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> I built and tested the prof's circuit just now.
>
> The voltage across R1 and R2 were equal in
> voltage and polarity.
>
> How could they not be?
>
> --Winston
>
> --
> Support the blind and deaf. Hire a delusional today!

Experimental setup details?
Voltmeters or scopes?
Did you connect the 'meters' at the same physical place?
How much wire (and gauge) between the resistors?

Details on your solenoid?

Dave

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 10:55 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:16:07 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
<nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>There is an alternative. You can frame the issue as a "small government"
>solution to BASIC health-care that can be supplimented with private
>coverage. Start right off with an outline of what that means. One of the
>things that derailed what's before Congress now is the scope of what's
>covered. That, in my opinion, is where the Obama administration and the
>Congress blew it. They let their opposition frame the debate.
=======
IMNSHO Obama and company grossly underestimated their opposition.
They were used to dealing with the Al Capone and Daley types, and
ignored the fact that their opposition were the people the cappos
and dons were paying protection money, and increasingly
reporting, to.

Obamma's fatal error was not accumulating files on the probable
opposition individuals and corporations detailing their tax
evasions, embezelments, wrongful conversions, frauds,
perversions, sexual harrasments, drug usage, gambling, assets,
etc. *BEFORE* attempting any revision in health care (or
financial re-regulation for that matter).

A series of short videos, even if just on Utube, showing the
multi-million dollar estates and fleets of luxuary cars owned by
the opposition, ALL PAID FOR WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLARS, just
before starting work on healthcare would have gone a long way
toward eliminating their hypocritical and hysterical opposition.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:16 am
From: Louis Ohland

First, this sounds more like what should have happened to the
appointees. Tax issues, admiration for Mao, communists, safe school
czar, etc.

What of Utube vids with stuff bought with OUR tax dollars?

Lastly, is this advocating a police state? How are these files to be
"accumulated"? Has anyone considered trying constitutional powers
instead of arbitrary powers?

> Obamma's fatal error was not accumulating files on the probable
> opposition individuals and corporations detailing their tax
> evasions, embezelments, wrongful conversions, frauds,
> perversions, sexual harrasments, drug usage, gambling, assets,
> etc. *BEFORE* attempting any revision in health care (or
> financial re-regulation for that matter).
>
> A series of short videos, even if just on Utube, showing the
> multi-million dollar estates and fleets of luxuary cars owned by
> the opposition, ALL PAID FOR WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLARS, just
> before starting work on healthcare would have gone a long way
> toward eliminating their hypocritical and hysterical opposition.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:22 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:16:00 -0600, Louis Ohland
<ohland@charter.net> wrote:

{top post converted to bottom post]
==========
>
>> Obamma's fatal error was not accumulating files on the probable
>> opposition individuals and corporations detailing their tax
>> evasions, embezelments, wrongful conversions, frauds,
>> perversions, sexual harrasments, drug usage, gambling, assets,
>> etc. *BEFORE* attempting any revision in health care (or
>> financial re-regulation for that matter).
>>
>> A series of short videos, even if just on Utube, showing the
>> multi-million dollar estates and fleets of luxuary cars owned by
>> the opposition, ALL PAID FOR WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLARS, just
>> before starting work on healthcare would have gone a long way
>> toward eliminating their hypocritical and hysterical opposition.
>First, this sounds more like what should have happened to the
>appointees. Tax issues, admiration for Mao, communists, safe school
>czar, etc.
========
>
>What of Utube vids with stuff bought with OUR tax dollars?
>
>Lastly, is this advocating a police state? How are these files to be
>"accumulated"? Has anyone considered trying constitutional powers
>instead of arbitrary powers?
=========
Like the neocons are fond of observing, if you don't have
anything to hide, you won't mind the government looking over your
shoulder.... What goes around, comes around.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:13 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
news:4b758d05$0$30426$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

> On 2/11/2010 10:47 PM, Humperdink wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 1:25 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ha, I'm "leftist" to you and "conservative" to real leftists. At
least
>>> leftists can put together a cogent sentence with correct grammar and
>>> spelling.
>
>
> Some of you can even tie your own shoes.
>

Both of them....or just the left one? ;)

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

Some points to ponder:
Why is it good if a vacuum cleaner really sucks?
Why is the third hand on a clock called the "second hand"?
Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Why do we sing "Take me out to the ballgame" when we are already
there?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:25 am
From: Hawke

>> Hey, what do you think Jesus would say? You think he would be advocating
>> killing anybody? Because if you think that then you don't know much about
>> Jesus. If you are for executing people for any reason you are not pro
>> life. Real pro lifers would not even kill a murderer. I'm not pro life.
>> Never have been so I see nothing wrong with killing some people. But at
>> least I'm consistent.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> There is a mess with no consistency unless you look at it from only one
> point of view. Many are pro-choice but believe it is OK to kill an innocent
> unborn baby but think it's wrong to kill someone that has brutally murdered
> multiple people. Many believe in Equal rights and believe in a woman's
> right to choose. But what about a mans right? The baby is in the mother
> for a mere 9 months but the man that has no say so is forced to pay large
> sums of money for 18+ years. The usual response is the man had the choice
> in having sex with the woman, unless it was rape the woman had the same
> choice. If child support is set at $1000 per week and the man is in a car
> wreck on the way home, and permanently disabled, perhaps paralyzed form the
> neck down, he has to set a court date sometime after he gets out of the
> hospital. He will forever owe the $1000 per week for every missed payment
> until he can make it to court to get a change order. If he goes bankrupt
> not one penny of child support will be reduced. He will be put in jail for
> non payment even though he is unable to move a muscle. If a man dies owing
> child support they will dig up his coffin and auction it off and feed his
> remains to dogs.

You're getting off on a tangent here by going into what are the
responsibilities of parents after they have a child. A lot of that is in
the area of law not morality. It's true that once a child is born it is
the responsibility of both parents. Legally, the man can't just walk
away from his offspring. But if you look at it realistically you see
that it's the woman who has had the biggest burden of caring for the
children. They have to grow them inside them, they have to bear them,
then the are the care takers for the life of the child. Often all men do
is contribute a check. Regardless of how much or how little a man does
to care for his children, it's almost always less than the woman does.
Men need to wake up and realize if they take the action of having
unprotected sex with a woman they risk having a lifelong financial
burden. I think that is fair because you know as well as I do that once
a woman has a child she's going to have the major burden of caring for
the child for the rest of its life. Occasionally, men get a bad deal
from having a child but the truth is they usually put less into the deal
than the woman does. Which, in my book, gives her a greater say in
whether she wants to go through with having the child or not. And that
is why it's the woman's right to choose. She has more "skin" in the game
than the man does.

> Most people that I have heard that claim to be pro-life are referring to the
> life of innocent unborn babies. Otherwise a person that is pro life could
> not live because they would be causing death of plants or animals every time
> they eat. They couldn't drive a car because a bug may be killed on their
> windshield. They can't walk because they may kill an ant. They can't wash
> because they may kill a germ. In other words, your definition of pro-life
> only exists in your own imagination. Believing that it is wrong to kill the
> innocent and right to punish the guilty is a lot more consistent than what
> most liberals believe- OK to kill the innocent but wrong to kill a person
> guilty of horrible crimes.

Agreeing on the meaning of terms is the first step in communication. So
if you want to agree that by pro life you only mean you are anti
abortion then that is fine with me. But most people think pro life means
you are against killing human beings for any reason. Then you have to
decide what is a human being. Is a glob of molecules in a womb a human
being? I don't think so. Is a 6 month old fetus in a womb that can
survive on it's own outside the womb a human being? I think you can say
it is. So for me it's a viability issue. If the baby can survive outside
the womb it's not okay to abort. But the day after conception with a
morning after pill. Yeah, that's okay. A month or two after conception?
That's okay too. As the survivability of a child increases then the
right to abortion shrinks. That's how I see it.
As for "innocent" versus guilty that is a legal matter. I don't like
giving the state the right to put people to death. They make too many
mistakes and they have killed thousands of people on purpose who didn't
deserve to die. So as a rule I don't want the state putting people to
death as a general rule. Now for some extreme cases like serial killers
or mass murderers, I think it's okay to execute them. But that's it.
Give the state the right to kill and it will abuse it. Better to err on
the side of life. Once you kill someone you can't go back and fix
things. All you can do is say you're sorry and that's not much
consolation to the dead or their family.

Hawke

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 11:38 am
From: Hawke

>>
>> Not the republicans, that's for sure. But how come you guys all keep
>> thinking that the disaster the Bush/Cheney regime caused would be all
>> fixed in a year? You act like Obama can't do anything worth a darn but
>> you're all upset that he hasn't got the country to where it's going
>> great again. If you actually know how bad a mess that Bush got the
>> country in how can you expect anyone to have it back where it should
>> be in only 12 months? I guess you must have a lot more belief in Obama
>> than I do. He will get things fixed eventually unless the republicans
>> stop everything. In that case nothing will ever get better. Vote for
>> them if you like things just like they are now, no worse.
>>
> Hawke
> >Buerste wrote:

> And how is Obama going to cause creation of more wealth than is
> distributed? So far, he's a distributor. And while you're at it, tell
> us how wealth is created.

Obama is going to create more wealth by using the power of the federal
government to aid the business community in its efforts to increase the
amount of business it does. As for wealth creation, that is produced by
the combined efforts of the government and the private sector. The two
work together to create an environment where private businesses can grow
and make profits. Any fool knows that wealth is produced by businesses
and individuals working for their own interests. But without the help
and input from government the private sector can be very unproductive
or even pretty worthless. Government sets the conditions for wealth
creation and it works alongside the business community to aid and
facilitate it in reaching its goals of growth and profitability.

Hawke

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