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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 6:48 am
From: No-bammer

Cliff wrote:
> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
> [
> This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
> http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-notes-on-her-hand/
> She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And there
> are actually human beings walking around who think she should be President.
> Wow...E
> ]

What notes. Looked like subjects to talk about without any help from a
teleprompter. Liberal are truly ignorant fools. Buckwheat has a lot more
than subjects wrote down on his teleprompter. Buckwheat could have had
any number of subjects wrote down on hand, paper etc. and he still
wouldn't have known what to say without his teleprompter.

== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 6:54 am
From: No-bammer

Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> On Feb 8, 8:00 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 8, 7:15 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>>>news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>
>>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>
>>>Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain jackass
>>>we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
>>>doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>>
>>>>This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>>>http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note...
>>>>She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And
>>>>there
>>>>are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
>>>>President.
>>>>Wow...E
>>
>> > Liar, Obama is the one who demands pre-approved questions.
>>
>
>
> > Does Obama caress his legs and wink?
>
> The body language does not lie. Check her out in the video.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/06/palin.tea.party.qa.cnn
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhzet3n
>
> Any psychologist will tell you that being questioned brought her back
> to those tests in college. She resorted to the tricks that helped in
> all the colleges from which she quit when the going got tough.
>
> You can clearly see how she looks at the palm of her hand, looking for
> the answers in a "cheating sheet" which in 2010 is not there. Still,
> it is a comforting reflex.
>
> What did she do if the professor noticed her cheating? Ah! Her
> infallible defense, she turned on her sex appeal, bringing attention
> to her legs.
>
> Count how many times she caresses her lower extremities. After all,
> why stop using the techniques which have never failed her?
>
> -Ramon

You are an ignorant FOOL. There wasn't any resemblance to cheating wrote
on her hand what so ever. It was just subjects to talk about. You left
wing wackos are not even remotely able to use your brain. Buckwheat
would have had more than subjects on his teleprompter.

== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 6:56 am
From: No-bammer

Sid9 wrote:

>
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lv90n5tnmo842imrm1v4setl2ttkfe960j@4ax.com...
>
>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 06:04:38 -0800 (PST), Ramon F Herrera
>> <ramon@conexus.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 8:00 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 7:15 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> > > http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>>> > > "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>>>
>>>> > Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain >
>>>> jackass
>>>> > we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least
>>>> Palin
>>>> > doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>>>>
>>>> > > This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>>> >
>>>> >http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note...
>>>>
>>>> > > She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved
>>>> questions. > > And
>>>> > > there
>>>> > > are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
>>>> > > President.
>>>> > > Wow...E
>>>>
>>>> > Liar, Obama is the one who demands pre-approved questions.
>>>>
>>>
>>> > Does Obama caress his legs and wink?
>>>
>>> The body language does not lie. Check her out in the video.
>>>
>>> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/06/palin.tea.party.qa.cnn
>>>
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yhzet3n
>>>
>>> Any psychologist will tell you that being questioned brought her back
>>> to those tests in college. She resorted to the tricks that helped in
>>> all the colleges from which she quit when the going got tough.
>>>
>>> You can clearly see how she looks at the palm of her hand, looking for
>>> the answers in a "cheating sheet" which in 2010 is not there. Still,
>>> it is a comforting reflex.
>>>
>>> What did she do if the professor noticed her cheating? Ah! Her
>>> infallible defense, she turned on her sex appeal, bringing attention
>>> to her legs.
>>>
>>> Count how many times she caresses her lower extremities. After all,
>>> why stop using the techniques which have never failed her?
>>>
>>> -Ramon
>>
>>
>> And where is her teleprompter?
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
>> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
>> something damned nasty to all three of them.
>
> .
> .
> Sarah's not smart enough to use a teleprompter...she read her speech
> from paper...then in answering questions she wrote a crib on the palm of
> her hand....because she was very nervous the ink ran and spread all over
> her palm
> ..
> Tell Sarah she should join us in the 21st Century

Not if it's Buckwheat's idea of the 21st century.

== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 6:59 am
From: No-bammer

Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> On Feb 8, 9:04 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 06:04:38 -0800 (PST), Ramon F Herrera
>>
>>
>>
>><ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 8, 8:00 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Feb 8, 7:15 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>>>http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>>>>>"Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>
>>>>>Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain jackass
>>>>>we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
>>>>>doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>>
>>>>>>This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>>>>>http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note...
>>>>>>She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And
>>>>>>there
>>>>>>are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
>>>>>>President.
>>>>>>Wow...E
>>
>>>>>Liar, Obama is the one who demands pre-approved questions.
>>
>>>>Does Obama caress his legs and wink?
>>
>>>The body language does not lie. Check her out in the video.
>>
>>>http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/06/palin.tea.party....
>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/yhzet3n
>>
>>>Any psychologist will tell you that being questioned brought her back
>>>to those tests in college. She resorted to the tricks that helped in
>>>all the colleges from which she quit when the going got tough.
>>
>>>You can clearly see how she looks at the palm of her hand, looking for
>>>the answers in a "cheating sheet" which in 2010 is not there. Still,
>>>it is a comforting reflex.
>>
>>>What did she do if the professor noticed her cheating? Ah! Her
>>>infallible defense, she turned on her sex appeal, bringing attention
>>>to her legs.
>>
>>>Count how many times she caresses her lower extremities. After all,
>>>why stop using the techniques which have never failed her?
>>
>>>-Ramon
>>
>
> > And where is her teleprompter?
>
> The whole argument is lame and pathetic. Lots of people use
> teleprompters.
>
> They were not allowed in the 2008 election debates and they won't be
> allowed in the 2012 election debates. No pre-selected questions
> either. No winking. No cheat sheets. No leg caressing.
>
> -Ramon

What about lying? That's all Buckwheat is capable of.

== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:01 am
From: No-bammer

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> On Feb 8, 10:20 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 8, 9:04 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 06:04:38 -0800 (PST), Ramon F Herrera
>>
>>><ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Feb 8, 8:00 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 8, 7:15 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>>>>http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>>>>>>"Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>
>>>>>>Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain jackass
>>>>>>we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
>>>>>>doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>>
>>>>>>>This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>>>>>>http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note...
>>>>>>>She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
>>>>>>>President.
>>>>>>>Wow...E
>>
>>>>>>Liar, Obama is the one who demands pre-approved questions.
>>
>>>>>Does Obama caress his legs and wink?
>>
>>>>The body language does not lie. Check her out in the video.
>>
>>>>http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/06/palin.tea.party....
>>
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/yhzet3n
>>
>>>>Any psychologist will tell you that being questioned brought her back
>>>>to those tests in college. She resorted to the tricks that helped in
>>>>all the colleges from which she quit when the going got tough.
>>
>>>>You can clearly see how she looks at the palm of her hand, looking for
>>>>the answers in a "cheating sheet" which in 2010 is not there. Still,
>>>>it is a comforting reflex.
>>
>>>>What did she do if the professor noticed her cheating? Ah! Her
>>>>infallible defense, she turned on her sex appeal, bringing attention
>>>>to her legs.
>>
>>>>Count how many times she caresses her lower extremities. After all,
>>>>why stop using the techniques which have never failed her?
>>
>>>>-Ramon
>>
>> > And where is her teleprompter?
>>
>>The whole argument is lame and pathetic. Lots of people use
>>teleprompters.
>>
>>They were not allowed in the 2008 election debates and they won't be
>>allowed in the 2012 election debates. No pre-selected questions
>>either. No winking. No cheat sheets. No leg caressing.
>>
>>-Ramon- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> How "shouting out" to grade school classes?
>
> How about calling the opponent "Joe"?
>
> How about seeing Russia from the podium?
>
> TMT

What an ignorant fool, You still think Tina Fey is Sarah Palin, don't you?

== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:06 am
From: Jeff M

No-bammer wrote:
> Cliff wrote:
>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>> [
>> This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>> http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-notes-on-her-hand/
>>
>> She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions.
>> And there
>> are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
>> President.
>> Wow...E
>> ]
>
> What notes. Looked like subjects to talk about without any help from a
> teleprompter. Liberal are truly ignorant fools. Buckwheat has a lot more
> than subjects wrote down on his teleprompter. Buckwheat could have had
> any number of subjects wrote down on hand, paper etc. and he still
> wouldn't have known what to say without his teleprompter.

It's funny how some Rightards will buy into this sort of spin. Ignorant
people who are so gullible and eager to unquestioningly swallow and
regurgitate lies and spin, such as the birther scam, which is why
corporate manipulation of the electorate with sophisticated and heavily
funded media campaigns is such a worry. Slickly packaged and endlessly
repeated lies will drown out both truth and reason, being far more
palatable and digestible to the intellectually hapless and easily misled
voters they are targeted to, i.e., those who are simply unprepared and
unequipped to sort out the facts from the coming tidal wave of lies.

== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:07 am
From: No-bammer

Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> On Feb 8, 7:15 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>>news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>
>>Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain jackass
>>we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
>>doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>>
>>
>>>This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>>http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note...
>>>She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And
>>>there
>>>are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
>>>President.
>>>Wow...E
>>
>
> > Liar, Obama is the one who demands
> > pre-approved questions.
>
> Fred, you do realize that your defense of Ms. Palin reflects on your
> intelligence, correct?
>
> It has been widely acknowledged -worldwide- that one of the main
> factors in Obama's electoral victory was his superior debating and
> oratory skills.

What's funny is when Buckwheat's teleprompter breaks down and he starts
talkin gobbledygook.

== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:15 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:06:20 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:

>On 8 Feb 2010 07:15:01 -0600, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbrown@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>
>>Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain jackass
>>we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
>>doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>
> A written speach is one thing.
> IIRC Even Lincoln had written down his Gettysburg Address.
> Simple Q & A is quite another.
>
> Or are you claiming it was a put-up fraud & she could not even
>remember four lines?

Have you EVER done any public speaking?
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:16 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

"Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in
news:hkq589$9mo$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>
> "Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7t11n551nucgrgiufv9orj8tahigo5hf5k@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:28:19 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>
>>>"Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in
>>>news:hkpdcb$2ei$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lv90n5tnmo842imrm1v4setl2ttkfe960j@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 06:04:38 -0800 (PST), Ramon F Herrera
>>>>> <ramon@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Feb 8, 8:00 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 7:15 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>>>> > message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=2814749780362
>>>>>>> > > 26
>>>>>>> > > "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain
>>>>>>> > jackass we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter.
>>>>>>> > At least Palin doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere
>>>>>>> > she goes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>>>>>> > >http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-
>>>>>>> > >not e...
>>>>>>> > > She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved
>>>>>>> > > questions. And
>>>>>>> > > there
>>>>>>> > > are actually human beings walking around who think she should
>>>>>>> > > be President.
>>>>>>> > > Wow...E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Liar, Obama is the one who demands pre-approved questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Does Obama caress his legs and wink?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The body language does not lie. Check her out in the video.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/06/palin.tea.party.q
>>>>>>a.c nn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/yhzet3n
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any psychologist will tell you that being questioned brought her back
>>>>>>to those tests in college. She resorted to the tricks that helped in
>>>>>>all the colleges from which she quit when the going got tough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can clearly see how she looks at the palm of her hand, looking
>>>>>>for the answers in a "cheating sheet" which in 2010 is not there.
>>>>>>Still, it is a comforting reflex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What did she do if the professor noticed her cheating? Ah! Her
>>>>>>infallible defense, she turned on her sex appeal, bringing attention
>>>>>>to her legs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Count how many times she caresses her lower extremities. After all,
>>>>>>why stop using the techniques which have never failed her?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Ramon
>>>>>
>>>>> And where is her teleprompter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab
>>>>> your wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to
>>>>> do something damned nasty to all three of them.
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> Sarah's not smart enough to use a teleprompter...she read her speech
>>>> from paper...then in answering questions she wrote a crib on the palm
>>>> of her hand....because she was very nervous the ink ran and spread all
>>>> over her palm .. Tell Sarah she should join us in the 21st Century
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Are you so foolish as to believe that new is always better?
>>
>> That's not what he said.
>> Problem following the tread again?
> .
> .
> New is better.
>
> The speaker can keep his/her head raised and their attention on the
> audience.
>
> Sarah "Palm Pilot" read her entire speech word for word from paper on the
> lectern.
>
>

I bet she can pronounce corpse-man correctly, though. 8)

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:18 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:16:21 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:

>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:54:19 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:19:00 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:04:35 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>>>
>>>>Ah, yes. Palin again. Just what is your fascination with her?
>>>>
>>>>Could it simply be that she is a good foil to take the heat of 0bama's
>>>>meltdown?
>>>
>>>Nah..she's just fucking hilarious!
>>
>>Agree completely
>>
>>http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/ig/Sarah-Palin-Pictures/Palin-Hi-Mom-Hand-Note.0zq0.htm
>
> How stupid.

Look how many Palin posts are generated, and she's just some broad on
FOX News. You people are ridiculous.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:26 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote in
news:01o0n5dt5veqolotqbttop7f9p9u3anutf@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:29:27 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>
>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>
> Does anyone besides me find it absolutely fucking hilarious that the
> libs have hitched their wagons to this story?

It's pretty much all they have. The big O has been notable for his losses
over the past year. The Olympics, Copenhagen, 3 elections, health care
"deform". Guy seems to pull a black cloud along with him whereever he goes.

Under the circumstances, grasping at straws against potential opponents is
about all the left has. There certainly isn't anything substantial and
positive they can talk about. So childish stupidity is about all they have.
Well, that and lies.

> Talk about over the top hypocrisy. It's almost as funny as them
> continuing to support the global warming scientists long after the
> WMDs were never found...
>
> You get what I'm saying.
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:40 am
From: Tater Gumfries

On Feb 8, 4:03 pm, "Sid9" <s...@belsouth.net> wrote:

> Sarah "Palm Pilot" read her entire speech word for word from paper on the
> lectern.

Typically, that's what Obama does too -- read his speech. Difference
is, he can speak intelligently off the cuff too. Imagine Palin having
a sit down with Democrats askin her hard questions.

Tater

== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:42 am
From: Tater Gumfries

On Feb 8, 9:20 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

> The whole argument is lame and pathetic. Lots of people use
> teleprompters.
>
> They were not allowed in the 2008 election debates and they won't be
> allowed in the 2012 election debates. No pre-selected questions
> either. No winking. No cheat sheets. No leg caressing.
>
> -Ramon

You kidding? Of course they'll have cheat sheets. They always do. And
she'll be allowed to wink and ham it up all she wants, and her
supporters will eat it up.

Tater

== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:43 am
From: Tater Gumfries

On Feb 9, 8:01 am, No-bammer <no-bam...@fgi.net> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> > How "shouting out" to grade school classes?
>
> > How about calling the opponent "Joe"?
>
> > How about seeing Russia from the podium?
>
> > TMT
>
> What an ignorant fool, You still think Tina Fey is Sarah Palin, don't you?

Palin done all them things.

Tater

== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:51 am
From: rangerssuck

On Feb 9, 9:48 am, No-bammer <no-bam...@fgi.net> wrote:
> Cliff wrote:
> > http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
> > "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
> > [
> > This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
> >http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note...
> > She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And there
> > are actually human beings walking around who think she should be President.
> > Wow...E
> > ]
>
> What notes. Looked like subjects to talk about without any help from a
> teleprompter. Liberal are truly ignorant fools. Buckwheat has a lot more
> than subjects wrote down on his teleprompter. Buckwheat could have had
> any number of subjects wrote down on hand, paper etc. and he still
> wouldn't have known what to say without his teleprompter.

Excuse me, but who is this "Buckwheat" you keep referring to?

== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:54 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:26:08 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
(Gray Ghost) puked:

>"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote in
>news:01o0n5dt5veqolotqbttop7f9p9u3anutf@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:29:27 -0500, Cliff
>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>
>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>
>> Does anyone besides me find it absolutely fucking hilarious that the
>> libs have hitched their wagons to this story?
>
>It's pretty much all they have. The big O has been notable for his losses
>over the past year. The Olympics, Copenhagen, 3 elections, health care
>"deform". Guy seems to pull a black cloud along with him whereever he goes.
>
>Under the circumstances, grasping at straws against potential opponents is
>about all the left has. There certainly isn't anything substantial and
>positive they can talk about. So childish stupidity is about all they have.
>Well, that and lies.
>

I love how they've even gone to the "blame Bush" well too many times
for it to be effective. I guess the next state of the union will be
the same set of platitudes, only this time a few Sarah Palin jokes and
maybe a Glenn Beck one...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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TOPIC: Low speeds - any disadvantages?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 6:51 am
From: Bob Minchin

Dave H. wrote:
> Not strictly model engineering (motorbike engineering and supercharging!),
> but...
>
> About to arrange a trip to the next town to look at a medium-sized lathe
> (English, geared head 6.5/13" x 40", 20" into gap although the spindle
> bore's too small for e.g. fork stanchions, has a non-working suds pump and
> tank etc.) and may consider it if it's in reasonable shape, one concern is
> the speed range - 8 speeds from 30 - 750 RPM - and whether the low top speed
> is going to cause problems? The only issue I can think of (other than slow
> removal of material when cutting!) is that may be a bit slow for
> small-diameter work in work-hardening materials, but as this would be my
> first lathe since college over 30 years ago any hints and tips would be
> appreciated!
>
> Another concern is that the quadrant lever and clutch knob for the sliding
> and cross power feeds (ooh, luxury....) appear to be missing - I've a fair
> idea how they (should) work and aptitude enough to rebuild car and 'bike
> gearboxes, so is this going to be a serious can of worms should there be
> problems with 'em? They were manufactured into the 70's and fairly popular
> (if a bit pricey new...) and had spares support into the 90's so there may
> be spares still around... Famous Last Words?
>
> As manufactured it's Imperial, and bikes seem to all be Metric these days -
> apart from threading (which may need a 127 gear or similar made if it has
> gone missing over the last 50 years), am I making a rod for my own back by
> not going for a Metric lathe? I have a bunch of Metric (and Imperial)
> measuring tools and can probably remember 40 thou = 1 mm...
>
> I should be able to see/hear it running so can check for noisiness and slop
> in the bearings, head, QC 'box etc., and I'll be able to check the ways and
> see what tooling's with it, anything else that I should be checking? Apart
> from how much trouble I'm going to get from SWMBO, of course...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave H.
All depends what you are going to be doing with it.
Bit too slow for carbide tooling on small diameters but fine for HSS
Is it a three phase machine? if so you could run it on an inverter and
run it up to double the speed without much risk. Keep any eye on top
speed for the big chucks etc and see if the bearings/gearbox warms up
too much.
Start remembering that 1mm = 39.37 thou as you home in on final diameters.
These slightly bigger machines tend to be cheap as some home users are
(wrongly) put off by them.
Unless it has been abused then it should be fine.

Good luck

Bob

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TOPIC: Wobble in Clausing variable speed drive
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 6:57 am
From: Ignoramus11495

A little update on this. I believe that I have the "full picture".

1. The motor shaft is completely straight (no surprise)
The fit between the lower inner pulley hub and the motor shaft is not
good and, therefore, the said hub does not want to sit straight.

This accounts only for a smaller part of vibration.

2. The hydraulic stuff sits on a long 3/8" shaft, which is held in the
lower outer pulley half by a bushing and retaining ring. Retaining
ring sits in a circle in the sald pulley half. A part of the cast iron
rim on this half is gone and the retaining ring was broken. The
bushing had a lot of wear near the retaining ring and the whole thing
vibrated a lot. I believe that eventually vibration would destroy
everything.

I ordered the retaining ring. I asked Clausing how much it is to
replace the shaft with bushing. If the shaft/bushing is affordable, I
will just buy it, if not, I can make the replacement on the
lathe/mill, it is not complicated.

On 2010-02-07, Ignoramus20464 <ignoramus20464@NOSPAM.20464.invalid> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOSb_VhQq8
>
> My variable speed drive, both pullies actually, wobble when they
> operate. I shot a video of it at 5 Hz. It appears to be crooked or off
> center. Might be some bushing missing or something. It could be that
> the wobble in the primary pulley causes wobble in the driven pulley.
>
> Anyone would have any idea?
>
> i

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TOPIC: How many layers of oil paint
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 6:58 am
From: Ignoramus11495

On 2010-02-09, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
> If I were going to all that trouble, I'd be looking for a good 2 part
> catalyzed epoxy paint.

Pete, I would like to know why you think so, just so that I can
understand why epoxy is better.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:22 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Ignoramus11495" <ignoramus11495@NOSPAM.11495.invalid> wrote in message
news:vvidnWEpLsi75ezWnZ2dnUVZ_jFi4p2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-02-09, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>> If I were going to all that trouble, I'd be looking for a good 2 part
>> catalyzed epoxy paint.
>
> Pete, I would like to know why you think so, just so that I can
> understand why epoxy is better.

Epoxy is one of the more resistant resins. Some chemicals obviously will
eat it, but in normal usage its only real Achilles heel is UV radiation
primarily from sunlight.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:48 am
From: Ignoramus11495

On 2010-02-09, Bob La Londe <nospam@nospam.no> wrote:
> "Ignoramus11495" <ignoramus11495@NOSPAM.11495.invalid> wrote in message
> news:vvidnWEpLsi75ezWnZ2dnUVZ_jFi4p2d@giganews.com...
>> On 2010-02-09, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>>> If I were going to all that trouble, I'd be looking for a good 2 part
>>> catalyzed epoxy paint.
>>
>> Pete, I would like to know why you think so, just so that I can
>> understand why epoxy is better.
>
> Epoxy is one of the more resistant resins. Some chemicals obviously will
> eat it, but in normal usage its only real Achilles heel is UV radiation
> primarily from sunlight.
>

OK, I changed my mind and I will use epoxy. I assume I need to remove
the primer that I put on, which will be easy.

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TOPIC: Lighting and security fence
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:01 am
From: Bruce L. Bergman

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:06:45 -0800, Paul Conners
<pconners98@gUSmail.com> wrote:

>What kind of mounts are used for putting a security light fixture at the top
>of a post of a 10-ft "hurricane" fence with barbed wire atop (not razor
>wire).
>
>Is there a standard replacement for the "acorn" tops of these posts that are
>used for attaching a light? Or is it just a custom job?

Most likely going to be a custom jobbie, but you might get lucky.
This is why they invented welding...

Pipe used for fence posts usually doesn't correspond with the Tubing
sizes used for light standards. The only exception, 2-1/2" pipe is
slightly under the 3" nominal OD for light-duty lighting standards.

All the "fence conversions" I've dealt with use standard fence top
caps with a hole drilled for the light stem, and double locknuts to
secure. And every one has had lights that get loose easily and spin
to where they want in severe winds.

The best move is to go back 5 to 10 feet and put up a dedicated light
standard. Let the fence be a fence and keep the baddies out, and the
post light it up. And you don't have to worry about the barbed wire
when changing the lamps.

--<< Bruce >>--

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TOPIC: If you have heart
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:07 am
From: AutoBlow

If you want to help this kid http://cernaianucar.chipin.com/car

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TOPIC: Finished Modified Versa Cart And Testing Results
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:22 am
From: Cross-Slide <3t3d@centurytel.net>

On Feb 9, 2:20 am, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 1:14 pm, "vinny" <vi...@vp3d.net> wrote:
>
> > *********
> > Maybe like a waterloo? Those shit boxes suck ass.
> > *********
>
> You once again prove you're a fucking moron. What part of roll cage
> construction and good value don't you understand?
>
> http://www.wttool.com/landing/waterloo.php
>
> > ********
> > That wheel is fucking stipid. I wouldn't go so far as to call it dangerous
> > though.
> > ********
>
> Not according to suck ass motherfuckers like the real / fake Joe788,
> Cliffy Huprich, Tom Brewer and their groupie Krissy Hogg, etc. Cliffy
> Huprich is so fucking dumb and so fucking stupid he can't understand
> how easy it would be to bolt the stupid wheel back on if I wanted to
> sell the Versa Cart. They just don't come any dumber than Cliffy
> Huprich who has zero practical experience at machining and modern
> CADCAM along with very little mechanical ability.
>
> ******
>
> > it's not the wheels that make the versa cart such a piece of crap, its
> > sheetmetal. Where the wheels bolt on flexes in one direction because its
> > sheet metal.
>
> It's because the Kennedy toolboxes that both you and I own lack a roll
> cage. Get a fucking clue you loser.
>
> http://www.wttool.com/landing/waterloo.php
>
> > right now all that is on the top of my box is a surface plate. It is un
> > tippable. And by the way I'm not an idiot. lol (reminds me, i need to get
> > some beer for the game today)
> > *****
>
> It's your pals that think it will dipshit, not me. I'm sure it won't
> tip over unlike suck ass, ignorant, lying motherfuckers like Tom
> Brewer (now posting as Larry Rozer) who's almost as dumb and as
> ignorant as Cliffy Huprich and the real / fake Joe788.
>
> > **********
> > The problem is sheet meatal. Wood does not flex like sheetmetal. Plus using
> > that cart raises the box up, ruining the whole center of gravity gimmic.
> > **********
>
> The problem is a lack of roll cage construction.
>
> http://www.wttool.com/landing/waterloo.php
>
> > that minime box on the end is useless. Its holds nothing of value.
>
> I love it and it works out great for me. Holds lots of things of value
> none of which a broke motherfucker living in a swamp like Florida can
> afford. You hear me, boy?
>
> > The trick is the center wheels are slightly higher than the outside
> > wheels. The box can easily spin around center, or by slightly lifting on
> > either end it will rotate around the opposite end. Or by lifting one end
> > bearly at all it will easily slide over. My box moves around easier than
> > even a single kennedy because it will rotate around center.
> > It's so stable I leave a 24" stand with a digital drop indicator on the
> > surface plate when moving around.
>
> Why are you trying to convince someone who is already sold on the
> concept? Maybe one reason you hate quality, professional sales people
> is that unlike you they don't waste their fucking time selling someone
> who is already sold on a concept. Is this sinking in yet you dumb
> motherfucker.
>
> > But if I remove the drawers, I hang it out the back of my tiny kia sportage
> > with no problems. last time I didnt even tie it down, I just held it and
> > drove 15 miles.
> > But the trick is to get your new job to pick up your tools anyway.
>
> Shouldn't a racist, ignorant redneck like you join me in driving an
> american pickup truck like a Chevy or a Ford instead of some piece of
> shit like a KIA Sportage? You really are fucking dumb.
>
> > Look jb, your so annoying...
>
> You ain't seen nothing yet motherfucker. ;>)

Thanks Bonnie Yonkers!!

You haven't ripped out a good rant for a while, I think you are
getting back into the swing of things.
This is some funny shit, you foaming away at the keyboard again.

You must have run out of your prescription, or decided you didn't need
it anymore....
Tell us, if your pay is based on the mighty stock options you bragged
about, are you now working for "Coolie Wages" ?
And is that why you need to make up a cart?

Thanks again for the rant!
Hope I gave you some ideas on some more funny rants...
We are counting on you to entertain us...
Glad to see you are your old crazy self again.

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TOPIC: OT- Product Of The YEAR! -Somebody Should Get A Nobel Prize For This-
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 7:37 am
From: Winston

On 2/9/2010 6:10 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

> That one doesn't look too bad. Actually, we still have one like that not far
> north of here. I think the smaller ones are nuttier.

(...)

That is for sure!

There is a teensy rotary at the main entry to the Kaiser Medical
Center in Santa Clara California.

("700 Lawrence Expressway, Santa Clara, CA‎" > maps.google.com)

We have folks entering that parking lot, many in a heightened
emotional state. This results in lots of misleading driving moves
with almost no use of turn signals.

Several times, folks entering the lot start an un-signaled right
turn out of my path and then change their mind, seemingly aiming
for my left fender (it's metal) just as I'm about to enter the
rotary, to exit the lot. Most of the time, I'm reading their
facial expression in an attempt to divine their path (lacking
any other indication).

It is a "body shop owner's dream", a perfect combination of
distracted drivers having their first encounter with a busy,
confusing intersection in close quarters.
So far, only sheer luck has prevented dents. Somehow that
doesn't seem sufficient.

--Winston

--
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