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TOPIC: Half nuts disengage by themselves
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/52f1982d01fea2af?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:10 pm
From: Jon Elson

Ignoramus25542 wrote:
> On 2010-02-04, Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>> And look for settled gunk in the apron.
>>
>
> Regarding taking off apron: I did try this once.
>
> It did not work: the "carriage locking screw" would not unscrew all
> the way.
>
> I did not want to force it and I had other issues, so I gave up and
> moved on to other things, but now is the time to look at it.
>
> The carriage locking screw connects to a plate under the carriage, so
> that when you tighten it it grabs the bed.
>
> The screw unscrews, but stops midway and I wanted to know if I am
> doing something wrong or should just use a bit more force.
Geez, I'm not sure. Is this a classic Atlas, or a Clausing industrial
lathe? I know the Atlas pretty well, I'm the moderator of the
Atlas-Craftsman group on Yahoo. I wouldn't be too surprised if
there is something to prevent the clamp plate from completely unscrewing
and falling into the half-nut mechanism. I don't think the Atlas had
such a protection. Anyway, you should be able to run the carriage at
least partly off the right end of the bed to examine the parts. Take
the tailstock off and then remove the right-end leadscrew bracket.

Jon

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:13 pm
From: Jon Elson

Ignoramus25542 wrote:

> This leadscrew proved exceptionally difficult to clean, in fact, I may
> just take it off and use a powerwasher or take it to a hot shower. I
> spent a lot of time cleaning it and it is still not as clean as it
> should be.

One trick is to grind a small screwdriver or similar piece to match the
thread, and then run the lathe at low speed and hold the tool in the
groove. A keyed Acme screw is a little harder to clean this way, but it
definitely works. If swarf is packed totally hard in the screw, water
won't get it out, anyway, and that is likely part of the threading
trouble. If the screw is packed with rammed-in chips, the nuts will
be worse!

Jon

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:15 pm
From: Jon Elson

Ed Huntress wrote:

>> Btw, if you haven't seen his model of lathe, it has a
>> rather fine pitched lead screw so a bit of dirt is a lot of dirt.
Hmm? It would almost have to be either 8 or 16 TPI for Imperial
thread pitches.

Jon

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:39 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-02-04, Ignoramus25542 <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote:
> The cleanup of the lathe is basically done all around, the VFD is
> wired the way I want and things are cookin'.
>
> Got something else going on...
>
> If I try threading, the half nuts would not stay engaged, they lose
> this engamenent in a second or so. If I hold the engagement lever,
> they they do stay engaged, but I feel the lever kind of bumping.
>
> What would be the typical cause of this.

I can think a few possible causes:

1) A large chip embedded in the Acme thread of the leadscrew (or
the long key groove used to power the power feed in some
machines).

2) A bent leadscrew, bumping the half-nuts open.

3) Badly worn half-nut threads. (It is possible to
cast new ones in Babbit metal.)

4) Missing detent spring in the half-nuts lever assembly.

5) Is the interlock between the half-nut lever and the power
feed lever working properly? It should not be possible to
engage both at the same time. Each should lock out the other.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:22 pm
From: wolfgang

On Feb 4, 7:39 pm, "DoN. Nichols" <dnich...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
> On 2010-02-04, Ignoramus25542 <ignoramus25...@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The cleanup of the lathe is basically done all around, the VFD is
> > wired the way I want and things are cookin'.
>
> > Got something else going on...
>
> > If I try threading, the half nuts would not stay engaged, they lose
> > this engamenent in a second or so. If I hold the engagement lever,
> > they they do stay engaged, but I feel the lever kind of bumping.
>
> > What would be the typical cause of this.
>
> I can think a few possible causes:
>
> 1) A large chip embedded in the Acme thread of the leadscrew (or
> the long key groove used to power the power feed in some
> machines).
>
> 2) A bent leadscrew, bumping the half-nuts open.
>
> 3) Badly worn half-nut threads. (It is possible to
> cast new ones in Babbit metal.)
>
> 4) Missing detent spring in the half-nuts lever assembly.
>
> 5) Is the interlock between the half-nut lever and the power
> feed lever working properly? It should not be possible to
> engage both at the same time. Each should lock out the other.
>
> Good Luck,
> DoN.
>
> --
> Email: <dnich...@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
> (too) near Washington D.C. |http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
> --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

I found that a tooth brush is pretty good for cleaning the lead
screw. Just hold it against the screw at an angle. If the crap is
packed really tight in the (fine) threads a brass brush would be
better. Don't think I'd use a steel implement to run in the threads.

My olde 6" Atlas would develop a similar symptom and it turned out to
be crap collected in the threads thereof.

A good cleaning and oiling and we were good to go.

As Jon wrote above, On this lathe the whole carriage can be removed
by sliding it off the right hand end off the bed. Only had to remove
the lead screw bearing to to this.

Wolfgang

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 322
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ad6b67af8694d2e9?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:08 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-02-04, Rob H. <rhvp65@gmail.com> wrote:
> Today's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

1843) Intersting device. Given the size, I would guess that it
is fired from a CO2 or compressed air weapon and used for
capturing fish underwater.

It looks as though the line feeds in through the back and is
secured by a knot in the hole visible in the side near the back.

1844) Looks like a support for a hit frying pan or something similar
with minimal transmission of heat to the table top.

1845) Hmm ... something to support the neck and head of a mummified
corpse -- perhaps in a pyramid?

1846) Hmm ... choices:

Forged steel version of brass knuckles?

Something for forming part of a sling for lifting heavy loads
and keeping them balanced?

???

1847) Hmm ... no size given? Some kind of reminder while counting
out some product? One pointer is where to start, the other when
to stop.

1848) Looks like a window grate from an old jail cell -- still
embedded in the concrete window sill, but with the rest of the
window missing.

Or perhaps a strainer for a sewer -- dropped in to block large
objects passing through?

Now to see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 5:35 pm
From: Steve

On 2010-02-04 17:50:03 -0500, "Rob H." <rhvp65@gmail.com> said:

> You're right that it's not brass knuckes, it's also not for pipes,
> cable is closer but not correct.

1846: Tool for braiding rope, similar to
http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/rope_making_Metters_machine_serpentine.jpg

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:07 pm
From: "Rob H."

> 1846) Hmm ... choices:
>
> Forged steel version of brass knuckles?
>
> Something for forming part of a sling for lifting heavy loads
> and keeping them balanced?

Your second guess is a good one, it's part of a hay elevator and carrier and
is used to get the desired elevation of the hay fork, check out figure 3 in
the patent:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=L2BtAAAAEBAJ&dq=328896

Rob

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:50 pm
From: "LDosser"

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:hked77$qav$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article
> <8dee6dd5-d75e-484f-b42c-c9c4edd514e2@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, pierre
> <pdavid@bw.edu> wrote:
>>On Feb 4, 5:31=A0am, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Today's set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>>For sure, 1845 is an antique Egyptian or Assyrian pillow or headrest.
>>Ouch.
>>
>>http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~ancient/museum9.htm
>
> Wow. I would *never* have guessed that, and I thought you were joking
> until I
> looked at the link -- I had it figured for resting the opposite end.

The stuffing and cover are missing ...

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TOPIC: OT - The Public-Union Ascendancy -- Government union members now
outnumber private for the first time
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3fedebb8f7261463?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:15 pm
From: Wes

Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

>The title tells the story.
>
><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870383700457501342406064946
>4.html>

I've never been able to figure out how goverment at all so many levels which substitutes
it's judgement for mine and is viewed by many as being the benevolent, right thinking
body, has workers that need a union to protect them from the same govermental units that
governs me.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: Anybody need an air bearing spindle ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/12681aabd7f23243?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:17 pm
From: Jon Elson

Jim Stewart wrote:
> Buerste wrote:
>> What do you have in mind? I need a spindle to spin a 6" cut-off disk
>> to trim End brushes.
>
> I think you would be disappointed with the results.
> Air bearings need very clean dry air to work and
> probably wouldn't be happy with the amount of side
> load you'd be applying.
Depending on the air pressure available, I think this unit can sustain a
radial working load of 50 Lbs. Yes, it does need clean dry air, as the
clearances in the bearing are INSANELY small, and you have to keep the
journal from rusting.

Jon

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 4:20 pm
From: smorgas@board.net

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:49:56 -0500, Harold Burton
<hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Which shows just how fucked up America is.
>
>
>Care for some cheese with that whine?

Curley's whining, at least, has some merit in some instances.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:17 pm
From: Harold Burton

In article <41pmm5dgo0vtkks5rfdrfpid4cimebduo0@4ax.com>,
smorgas@board.net wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:49:56 -0500, Harold Burton
> <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Which shows just how fucked up America is.
> >
> >
> >Care for some cheese with that whine?
>
> Curley's whining, at least, has some merit in some instances.

If you say so.

Snicker.

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TOPIC: Lathe Rant..... and some Qs....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c98cff43a029c9e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 5:27 pm
From: Tim Wescott

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:49:13 -0500, Existential Angst wrote:

> Awl --
>
> So my buddy's fairly robust SouthBend-Nordic-15 (very accurate, 60" bed,
> I believe) went on the fritz, blowing fuses -- worked the the night
> before, the next morning, bzzzzt....
>
> When he was in Brooklyn, I was mostly off the hook for his repairs, but
> now that he is in Yonkers, not far from me.... goodgawd.....
>
> So I open the lower panel, and Holy Shit..... the first thought that
> came to my mind is:
> Just how many fukn wires and electro-mechanical gadgets do you g-d
> need
> to rotate a fukn spindle???????
>
> I said, Dude, I hope you have a fukn book/print for this thing.....
>
> Long story short, since he couldn't find the book, I eliminated all
> supply-side problems, and then *I think* I was able to isolate the motor
> electrically, and indeed, the motor appears blown.
>
> Which in a sense is not so bad, because having that motor re-wound will
> likely be a fraction of the cost of actually having to replace anything
> from SouthBend.... The last switch gadget he had to buy was effing
> $900!!!!.
>
> BUT, it is going to be one muthafucka to get to that motor, since the
> lathe is in, uh, a fairly "compact" shop.... goodgawd.....
>
>
> But here are the Qs:
>
> 1. Is this a "motor constantly on" type lathe, with the crank switch
> (off the carriage) engaging a clutch?
> Or is the motor itself activated by the carriage crank switch?
>
> Ahm no spert, but the only clutch-ditty I've seen was the newer square
> head Clausing Colchesters, with that shitty multi-plate ditty that never
> worked right on our machine. Nice machine, but what a pita that clutch
> was.
>
>
> 2. WTF *IS* alladat shit inside the control panel?
>
> I see a transformer (about 10 lbs mebbe), with a dozen taps going to a
> terminal ditty with two bitty glass fuses; a heavy duty diode *full
> wave rectifier*!! DC???? For what?????
>
> A fancy-shmancy twist handle breakered switch, a semi-normal contactor,
> and some abnormal relay with some kind of timer knob?? timing what???,
> and three little can-type ditties, one in series with each phase wire,
> about 3/4" dia x 1" long.
> And another terminal block with a cupla dozen wires on it.
>
> Goodgawd..... for a *motor*????
>
> I guess what I would like is mebbe an overview, and overall sense of why
> all this stuff is necessary.
> Heh, my crappy li'l 13x40 Enco has a bit of control box as well, but
> since nuthin has broke yet, I don't have to be indignant about it yet.
>
> He has the book "somewhere", altho if/when he finds it, I don't know how
> helpful it would be for the print.
>
> None of this is critical now, since I'm 99.9% sure it is a blown motor,
> but goddamm, it would be nice to grok what alladat stuff is for.

If the DC went into the motor I'd suspect a synchronous machine, but why
in hell you'd need a synchronous motor on a lathe is totally beyond me.

Perhaps it was put in there specifically to confuse the hell out of
_you_, because you're special.

--
www.wescottdesign.com

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TOPIC: Finding engineering data on shock absorbers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/73dc0d61e8628f3d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 5:32 pm
From: Tim Wescott

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:28:41 -0600, Pete Keillor wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:11:07 -0600, Don Foreman
> <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:02:44 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Kinda oddball question, hoping that someone will know.
>>>
>>>I'm almost ready to re-hang my driveway gate - we've been surviving
>>>with a roll of chicken wire for way too long - but before it goes on it
>>>needs a shock absorber to keep it from breaking exactly the way it did
>>>before.
>>>
>>>(It's a scissors gate, about 120 pounds, 18 feet long and it pivots up
>>>and down on one end. It's counterbalanced on springs, but when an
>>>enthusiastic kid closes it the crash is a thing to behold -- and a
>>>thing to break welds.)
>>>
>>>I don't want to cut and try a bazillion different things, and I'm an
>>>engineer so I have the delusion that I can design things from first
>>>principals.
>>>
>>>Is there any place I can find engineering data on vehicle shock
>>>absorbers? Not "buy this here shock for that there truck, and get 'em
>>>heavy duty if you want to put two cows in there", but real
>>>honest-to-gosh tables with numbers and other useful things for folks
>>>who are blatantly mis-applying a vehicle shock absorber.
>>>
>>>At the least I need things like stroke and mounting data, but something
>>>that gives the damping rate of the thing would be uber-cool. In the
>>>absence of damping rate a vehicle weight / shock chart would be useful,
>>>but it'd be a distant second best.
>>>
>>>Stroke and mounting data are obvious (if I can match what's in my truck
>>>I'll be quite happy), but if I had the force vs. velocity curves for a
>>>number of different shocks then I'd know from the get-go if I'm in the
>>>right ball park, and where to put my pivot points, and that sort of
>>>thing.
>>
>>Your 120-lb load is much lighter than any vehicle load, and your
>>requirement is mearly to limit velocity rather than to critically damp a
>>resonant mass-spring suspension.
>>
>>Find a small surplus hydraulic cylinder, make your pivot points
>>compatible with the cylinder's throw, use an adjustable needle valve to
>>achieve desired viscous damping factor.
>
> Or a flow control valve (parallel needle and check) if you only need
> damping when lowering.
>
> Pete Keillor

I like that. I don't think it's going to be small -- 120 lbs on a 9 foot
(average) lever arm, working against a cylinder on a lever arm that's
effectively less than a foot, adds up to lots-o-pounds.

But a cylinder -- hydraulic or pneumatic -- should be easy to find in
lots of sizes, ditto valves, and it should certainly have a wide
adjustment range.

--
www.wescottdesign.com

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TOPIC: FS -- 1 to 3 HP phase-a-matic "static phase converter"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de701e070b1da437?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 5:40 pm
From: "Karl Townsend"

"Ignoramus25542" <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote in message
news:v_OdnfJi9ooCpfbWnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Used, works great, lets you run up to 3 HP motors at 2/3 power.
>
> Comes from my lathe.
>
> Price is $50.
>

Or use this to start an idler. No brainier full power phase converter.
That's what one of my units is. Its only worked for 25 years now.

Karl

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 5:42 pm
From: Ignoramus25542

On 2010-02-05, Karl Townsend <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> "Ignoramus25542" <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote in message
>> Used, works great, lets you run up to 3 HP motors at 2/3 power.
>>
>> Comes from my lathe.
>>
>> Price is $50.
>>
>
> Or use this to start an idler. No brainier full power phase converter.
> That's what one of my units is. Its only worked for 25 years now.

Yep, great idea.

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TOPIC: Obama's Train Wreck of a Town Hall in Ohio
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b25aa221089ce47f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 5:52 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hkfbem$2i5$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>>> Got to be a U.S. senator.
>>
>> Easy enough in Illinois, if you want the job and are willing to suck
>> cock. Illinois is not known for their high standards for politicians.
>>
>> Hawke

Still can't find any accomplishments of 0bama? I see. You forgot to post his
"great" college grades again too. Post them right here, just below his list
of accomplishments, since he became President----->

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:03 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hkfc0a$3i8$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> Burled Frau wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>> news:hkcofj$605$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>
>>>> Being smart is useless if you can't manage people.
>>
>> Or if you can't manage your quoting properly. So that makes you a loser
>> like 0zero.
>
>
> The joke is you. What is a fool, that has accomplished nothing of note in
> their life, doing criticizing someone like Obama? Why don't you criticize
> Peyton Manning too? That would be about as absurd as your ragging on
> Obama. You couldn't play football worth shit compared to Manning and you
> can't do anything at all compared to Obama yet you do nothing but nag,
> nag, nag. Your opinion of Obama is no more accurate than your opinion of
> George Bush in 2001. You just have no idea what you are talking about. But
> that never stops you. What you are is obvious to anyone, an angry loser.
> Try finding something positive to do. It'll take your mind off criticizing
> your betters.
>
> Hawke

I have no aspirations to lowering myself to the likes of 0bama or some
worthless paralegal hack. But you said you were a paralegal, so why aren't
you President, you loser? My PoliSci degree was a hobby to see how many
loose liberal broads I could bed, there were so many that I lost count. Got
my share of them just in time, before they turned into liberal sows.

As for football, I played my share and was pretty damn good too. But we
weren't talking about football, so your failure at football must still be
bugging you if it still lurks in the back of your mind enough to bring it up
out of thin air.

Obama is a loser, and despite your trying to deflect away his failures with
references to Bush, Manning, or all the other failures in politics, you
still haven't been able to prove any of your assertions that 0bama is a
auccessful President. He's a loser like you, only worse, because even though
he made President and you didn't, you're only half the zero that he is.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:07 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"HH&C" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0165c95b-d943-43fd-84ce-4d8805c46728@n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 3, 4:05 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>> > Being smart is useless if you can't manage people.
>>
>> Where do you get the idea Obama can't manage people well? Just because
>> he can't get 58 Democrat and 2 Independent senators all to agree on a
>> bill? Who do you think could get that done?
>
> Obama. I just love it when he gets that far away stare and all you
> libs think he's an intellectual because of it.

The only reason 0zero is having trouble managing 58 democrats is that he
thought that there would only be one from each State, and he hasn't figured
out yet where the extra one came from.

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TOPIC: A test for young people
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e250300c60eaaa8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 5:55 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:zQ2an.187176$oC1.52995@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>>>Maybe what the country really needs is a Hungry Man Prices in Northern
>>>>Michigan Index, to guide our economy...
>>
>>BTW, Yukon Gold Potatoes are on sale for $2.99/pound at Shop Rite in
>>Edison,
>>NJ. I could ship some to you. d8-)
>
> Can I get Enco free shipping? ;)

Do you know the magic number?

>>
>>>
>>> Well, the Joe Six pack index would be handy. Maybe even the Joe Camel
>>> six
>>> pack index for
>>> those that smoke ;) (I don't)
>>
>>There are dozens of CPI calculations. Just pick the one you like. Here are
>>the basic, most popular ones. CPI-U is the one they usually quote in the
>>newscasts. BTW, the CPI-W (includes Urban Wage Earners and Clerical
>>Workers)
>>is the one that's used to calculate COLAs for Social Security and VA
>>benefits. I think it runs Oct. through the following Sept. --
>>
>>http://www.bls.gov/CPI/
>
> I'll give it a look in depth tomorrow. Notice a lot are urban numbers.
> Joe Six pack
> lives out in the rural areas.

It's all urban numbers. The basic CPI-U covers 87% of the US population.
Non-metropolitan, non-farm numbers track the CPI pretty well; there is no
significant, cumulative separation between those costs and urban costs.

In other words, the prices may be different, but the relationship between
them is pretty stable. So an index number that measures trends, such as CPI,
reflects the whole pattern across the country, over time. It may lag or lead
one region or another by a quarter or so but prices don't spread apart or
close up in the longer run.

>>
>>>
>>> I complained about the shortage to ConAgra, they sent a free coupon for
>>> a
>>> dinner. I'll
>>> just wait for new "larger portions" before I buy from them again.
>>
>>Squeeky Wheel Syndrome. My wife is good at that.
>
> I had a drywall square that wasn't. Brother's wife took it to the store I
> bought it from
> years ago and got a replacement. If my brother ever expands to more than
> a one man
> operation, she is a candidate for working in Accounts Payable.
>
> Wes
> --
> "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
> government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
> in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: Obama to stock market: DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:26 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

Looks like the big loser zero Imposter in Chief will go down in the anals
[sic] of history as the big zero who sabotaged the successful markets of
Bush DOW 14K and drove them down into the 6K range. Kissing 10K will be as
far as this loser gets.

But what did you expect from an Imposter who just called his own servicemen
"corpse men". Think he knows something?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:47 pm
From: hal

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:26:57 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
wrote:

>Looks like the big loser zero Imposter in Chief will go down in the anals
>[sic] of history as the big zero who sabotaged the successful markets of
>Bush DOW 14K and drove them down into the 6K range. Kissing 10K will be as
>far as this loser gets.

BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!

http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm

>
>But what did you expect from an Imposter who just called his own servicemen
>"corpse men". Think he knows something?
>

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TOPIC: OT - The Lancet's Vaccine Retraction -- A medical journal's role in the
autism scare
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:27 pm
From: dav1936531@nowhere.invalid

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:32:05 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
<nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>>dav1936531@nowhere.invalid wrote:
>> You wanna see a vaccine body count? Google "simian virus 40". This
>> virus made its way into the polio vaccine supply and caused millions
>> of cases of cancers in the vaccinated population.

>You could also look at what Elizabeth Dole did to the blood supply during
>her stint running the Red Cross.
>There are quite a number of hemophiliacs with AIDS and Hepatitis as the
>result of her "expert" management.

My sister is a nurse who happens to manage a hospital unit that cares
for people who are being slow killed by Bayer pharmaceutical's (and
the others involved) hemophiliac products.

These people:

http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/0503/22.php
Dave

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:40 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

dav1936531@nowhere.invalid wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:32:05 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>>> dav1936531@nowhere.invalid wrote:
>>> You wanna see a vaccine body count? Google "simian virus 40". This
>>> virus made its way into the polio vaccine supply and caused millions
>>> of cases of cancers in the vaccinated population.
>
>> You could also look at what Elizabeth Dole did to the blood supply
>> during her stint running the Red Cross.
>> There are quite a number of hemophiliacs with AIDS and Hepatitis as
>> the result of her "expert" management.
>
> My sister is a nurse who happens to manage a hospital unit that cares
> for people who are being slow killed by Bayer pharmaceutical's (and
> the others involved) hemophiliac products.
>
> These people:
>
> http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/0503/22.php

It's pretty bad.
A lot of people have payed for Elizabeth Dole's mistake managing the blood
supply.
Many commercial companies got, and still get, dignificant quantities of
their blood from the Red Cross. It's the largest bank in the world, or was
anyway.
Dole went on to the US Senate after her run at the Red Cross.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Notice anything about this picture?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:49 pm
From: Ignoramus25542

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