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TOPIC: OT Blue Cross
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:30 pm
From: Wes

F. George McDuffee <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

>Sebelius said Anthem Blue Cross' parent company, WellPoint Inc.,
>"has seen its profits soar, earning $2.7 billion in the last
>quarter of 2009 alone."

What is that number as a percentage of reciepts?

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:42 pm
From: "amdx"

"steamer" <steamer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4b71ce8f$0$1598$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> --Well now that the balance in congress has been tipped and
> everyone's been safely bought off, sure enough Blue Cross has raised my
> rates: 22% this time; total's now $23,000/yr. I need customers or a new
> line
> of work! I'd be curious to know if anyone's got group coverage thru AWS or
> any other industry group and what your experience has been with them..
>

Don't know if Blue Cross is the same as Blue Cross Blue Shield, but I was
paying
$9,930 for a family of 4 with a $2,500 deductible. Last year I decided to
try something
to reduce costs. I got a high deductible ($10,000) and a Health Savings
Account. My premium
went down to $4,320. I fund the HSA with the money I saved on the reduced
premium ($5,610).
I add a little to make it to the maximum contribution of $5,850 (2009). The
contribution
is tax deductible on federal income taxes.
I opened my HSA in June 2009 and only used about $700 from the account so
after
putting in my 2010 contribution I'll have more than the $10,000 deductible
in the HSA.
At retirement the money can be rolled into an IRA.* I wish I would have
started this
when the plan was first passed by congress.
Mike

* Always check this with your accountant.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:57 pm
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Feb 9, 3:31 pm, Jim Stewart <jstew...@jkmicro.com> wrote:
> steamer wrote:
> > --Well now that the balance in congress has been tipped and
> > everyone's been safely bought off, sure enough Blue Cross has raised my
> > rates: 22% this time; total's now $23,000/yr. I need customers or a new line
> > of work! I'd be curious to know if anyone's got group coverage thru AWS or
> > any other industry group and what your experience has been with them..
>
> I've had Kaiser for 30 years. I'm 58 years old
> and I pay $458/month. The copay is high, but we
> fund an HSA account for $1500 a year and that will
> cover all the copays for us plus eyeglasses.
>
> Works out to $7000 a year, less than 1/3 what
> you're paying.

Unfortunately, Kaiser isn't in all states, mostly the Western ones.
I've had them going on 30 years myself, started out at $6 every 2
weeks for just myself. They're a nonprofit and have a lot of emphasis
on prevention. No dental and no eyeglass benefits for the current
program, think it's about $60 every two weeks, it's been getting
jacked up, too. Recently got two Stellite hip joints and a bit of
heart work done for $250 for each hospital visit. Figure that's a
bargain, even if I paid about 30 years of premiums before collecting
anything big. But that's what insurance is for. Don't know what's
available in the rest of the country that's similar.

Stan

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:33 pm
From: Jim Stewart

stans4@prolynx.com wrote:
> On Feb 9, 3:31 pm, Jim Stewart <jstew...@jkmicro.com> wrote:
>> steamer wrote:
>>> --Well now that the balance in congress has been tipped and
>>> everyone's been safely bought off, sure enough Blue Cross has raised my
>>> rates: 22% this time; total's now $23,000/yr. I need customers or a new line
>>> of work! I'd be curious to know if anyone's got group coverage thru AWS or
>>> any other industry group and what your experience has been with them..
>> I've had Kaiser for 30 years. I'm 58 years old
>> and I pay $458/month. The copay is high, but we
>> fund an HSA account for $1500 a year and that will
>> cover all the copays for us plus eyeglasses.
>>
>> Works out to $7000 a year, less than 1/3 what
>> you're paying.
>
> Unfortunately, Kaiser isn't in all states, mostly the Western ones.
> I've had them going on 30 years myself, started out at $6 every 2
> weeks for just myself. They're a nonprofit and have a lot of emphasis
> on prevention. No dental and no eyeglass benefits for the current
> program, think it's about $60 every two weeks, it's been getting
> jacked up, too. Recently got two Stellite hip joints and a bit of
> heart work done for $250 for each hospital visit. Figure that's a
> bargain, even if I paid about 30 years of premiums before collecting
> anything big. But that's what insurance is for. Don't know what's
> available in the rest of the country that's similar.

I know approximately where Steamer lives and Kaiser is there.

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TOPIC: Karl, I found a good lathe for your future condo
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:34 pm
From: Wes

John <amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote:

>Iggy,
>
>A local company that I did business with closed up shop. I bought a
>bunch of machines from them including this one. They wanted to move them
>as soon as possible and the price was very right. The Bertrem lathe is
>about 30 feet between centers. The first picture was at the old
>location. The other pictures are where it is running now in my shop.
>Moving it was comparably easy as at the original site there were a
>couple of 30 ton bridge crane available and at my shop I just slid it
>off the flatbed with a forklift on the tail end and a 15 ton crane
>picking up the head stock. Once inside I put a set of rollers under it
>and pulled it into position with the forklift.
>
>http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/024.JPG
>http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/025.JPG
>http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/026.JPG
>http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/027.JPG
> http://userweb.intergrafix.net/amdinc/012.jpg
>

John,

I get nervous when I only have 30 dollars worth of stock at risk to my machinining and
math skills.

I'd be in heart attack mode machining anything that uses a significant fraction of those
machines work envelope.

Wes

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TOPIC: OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:38 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:53:27 -0600, F. George McDuffee
<gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
<snip>
>It appears that the extent of major U.S. [and other] financial
>institutional exposure [and thus taxpayer liability] to the Euro
>zone sovereign debt problems and/or new bubble collapse through
>direct investment, loans to speculators, and CDS/derivative
>counter parties is totally unknown, but after a big loss most
>gamblers "double down" or even go "all in" in an attempt to
>recoup their losses.
<snip>

More s**t floats to the top of the financial septic tank...

Reuters article indicates that *DIRECT* US bank [US taxpayer]
exposure to the Euro zone sovereign debt bubble totals 176
Billion $US.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0911899120100209
<snip>
The FFIEC data shows that 10 U.S. banks -- Bank of America
(BAC.N), Citigroup (C.N), JPMorgan, Wells Fargo (WFC.N), Bank of
New York (BK.N), State Street (STT.N), Goldman Sachs (GS.N),
Morgan Stanley (MS.N) and the U.S. branches of Deutsche Bank
(DBKGn.DE) and HSBC (HSBA.L) -- hold 96 percent of the risk,
Barclays said.

The banks have $86 billion in exposure to Ireland, $68 billion to
Spain, $18 billion to Greece and $9 billion to Portugal, Barclays
said.
<snip>
==========
A major problem is that the amount of CDS counterparty liability
is unknown [think AIG], as is the amount loaned to bond/hedge and
other funds/speculators, where the main or only collateral is
Euro zone sovereign debt bonds. The amount of US Pension funds
invested in these bonds is also unknown but the higher returns
and high ratings [when sold] would have caused many pension fund
managers to load up.

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

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TOPIC: OT- Product Of The YEAR! -Somebody Should Get A Nobel Prize For This-
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:38 pm
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Feb 7, 9:08 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 8/02/2010 12:27 AM, David Billington wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >> "Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
> >>news:00ea4fb5$0$17131$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> >>> On 7/02/2010 5:45 AM, Jon Anderson wrote:
> >>>> T wrote:
>
> >>>>> Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
> >>>>> side of the road!
> >>>> It's not that hard at first, so long as you focus and pay attention.
> >>>> It's right when you think you've got it, that you'll pull out into the
> >>>> wrong side of the road...
> >>> Or, as seems likely to have happened to a US couple on holiday here
> >>> in Australia in a case reported on the news a while back, look the
> >>> wrong way before pulling out in front of a truck :(
>
> >>> Sylvia.
>
> >> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I
> >> approach one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache.
> >> Traffic diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>
> > What does this do for you then
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live...
> > , Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
> > understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.
>
> Ye Gods! What purpose does that serve? How many accidents a day do they
> get there? Reply using scientific notation if necessary.
>
> A particular observation for US readers - from the perspective of
> British drivers, they're going the wrong way around the middle circle.
>
> Sylvia.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Noticed that. I guess you get extra points for head-ons at the
"bullseyes".

Had my experience with "rotaries" up in NH. Had to go to the shipyard
up there, so headed up the tollway per instructions, got off at the
last NH exit and immediately hit the rotary. Instructions said that
the hotel was right off Highway 1. There were three Highway 1 exits
from that stinkin' thing! Went around a couple of times seeing if I
could see any sort of signage, finally stopped at the last-chance
liquor store right on the rotary and phoned the joint up( no cells
back then). "Oh, we're right off Highway 1, you can't miss it!".
Yeah, like 1/2 a mile off it, when I found it! Drove past it 3 times
after I got off the rotary.

Not a happy camper when they redid the closed air base here with
multiple rotary/roundabouts on the main drag through the place.
Supposed to keep dragsters out, all it did was make them lean a bit
more when they went around the curves at speed. Fire department with
the ladder trucks hates them, too. Would like to know the accident
statistics, they've built up the centers so you can't see what's
coming at you. Crowned with the usual scrap metal "sculptures" they
stick in open spaces around here.

Stan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:18 pm
From: Wes

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>hey were a good way to avoid 4-way intersections, when traffic moved at 35
>mph. <g> I spun my VW beetle on one in '69, in south Jersey, out in the Pine
>Barrens, where there were no lights and you couldn't see it coming. 'Damned
>near wound up on my back.
>
>The last one in my area was replaced around ten years ago (intersection of
>US 1 and US 130). Good riddance.

I agree.

I hit one in Ohio iirc. I have never been more confused in my life. When I exited it, I
had a choice of one high priced gas station or one that looked like a biker hangout.

I got out of there fast realizing I just got a preview of Alzheimer's.

Wes

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TOPIC: OT - Most states remain blue ...and sane.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:47 pm
From: Wes

Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>Although I've never understood the need for a marriage license, I also
>don't understand what all the fuss is about gay marriage. It's their
>life. Let 'em alone. I can understand their need as far as hospital
>visitations, etc. Of course, marriage is a religious thang, and I've
>never been partial to that little bit of manipulation, either.
>
>Let the masses marry goats for all I care.
>

Larry, that is a libertarian position.

Mariage as a religious act should not have the state intruding via licensing.

Civil union (gays), well, while I'm not all that thrilled about it, call it that, and
leave traditional hetrosexual marriage alone. Unfortuantly, they (gays) want to be viewed
as normal and want to hijack marriage. I don't care how commited they are to each other,
it just isn't the same as man and woman joining with procreation as a likely outcome.

They really should take half a loaf with substantive equivalance in rights and be happy.

Wes

--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 3:48 pm
From: Hawke

dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:18 am, "William Wixon" <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> you seem to think "stuff" is proof and evidence of success. it's all crap
>> we don't need to be happy. were there happy people in 1965? were people
>> bitterly complaining they didn't have LCD tv's? i think that's capitalistic
>> hoodwinking.
>>
>> b.w.
>
> Wrongo. You do not need stuff to make you happy. But Hawke and I
> were talking about standard of living. You measure standard of living
> by stuff.
>
> Dan
>

Yep, and since everyone's wealth, as measured by their investment
portfolios, retirement plans, and their houses, are all less then they
used to be then so is everyone's standard of living. Americans have
suffered a dramatic decrease in total wealth. Living standards cannot
stay up when everyone's wealth is less. Happiness can have nothing to do
with wealth but it's a fact that when people see their standard of
living decline it tends to make them unhappy.

Hawke

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:01 pm
From: Hawke

dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:24 am, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> What does that mean? Nucor is an exception. Most companies aren't that
>> good to the workers and without a union they never are. There have
>> always been a few business owners with a conscience and who were fair to
>> their workers. Most use their workers and give them as little as
>> possible. Just look at the millions of illegal aliens. All of them are
>> being taken advantage of by their employers. Now that is the rule for
>> employers. Nucor, that is the exception. If all companies were like that
>> then there would be no need for a union. But they aren't.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Like I said. We do not agree on this. Read " The World is Flat " and
> then tell me that all economists believe capitalism is a zero sum
> game. I expect that most economists do not regard capitalism as a
> zero sum game.

I'm not saying "all" economists believe capitalism is a zero sum game. I
think plenty do though and I do to.

> Nucor is a extreme example of a company that is good to workers. But
> the Nucor employees are good to the company too. They do not strike,
> they do their best to produce more steel. The turn over rate is low
> so Nucor does not have to spend as much on training and recruitment.
> Unlike you I think that most companies are good to workers. Certainly
> all the companies that I have worked for. But that is not to say that
> they did not benefit from employing me. They did, but I benefited
> too.

Ideally, a company treats its workers as well as it can and they do as
good a job as they can for the company. Now the real world. I won't say
what they actual percentages are but many if not most companies are not
good to their employees. I have worked for numerous firms that tried to
screw me as much as they could. But look at our history. Why did unions
come about? Because employers treated their workers like crap. Work was
hard, dangerous, and paid poorly. Only when unions came about did the
standards for working people rise. So I think the facts show that most
companies are not good to their workers. Times have changed and it's not
the 1930s anymore. But companies that treat the workers well are still a
minority, in my opinion.

> All those millions of illegal aliens would not be here if they did not
> think that they were not benefiting.

It's all relative. Yes they are doing better than in Mexico. But are
they getting a fair shake by our standards? Hell no. If they had a
decent job in their own country would they come here for what we offer
them? No.

> The percentage of people in unions is declining. Why do you think
> that is happening? It is because most people have found that unions
> cost them more than the benefits they got from being in a union.

One reason unions have decline is because business has been out to
destroy them since their inception. Things have been in the favor of
business since republicans have run things. The other thing is that
unions were mainly in manufacturing trades. We allowed those union jobs
to go to non unionized workers in China. And guess what the working
conditions and pay are like there? Not exactly in favor of the workers,
are they? Moreover, union workers make about a third more than non union
workers that do the same exact jobs, and that is precisely why the
unions exist. To pry a greater share of the proceeds of a profitable
business out of the owners. The country has always done better when the
workers get a larger share of the pie. In that regard nothing has changed.

Hawke

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:10 pm
From: Hawke

dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Feb 7, 10:47 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>> Being born in the U.S.doesn't make one special but it does mean you
>> automatically have legal rights that foreign born people do not. It's
>> the advantage and privilege of being a citizen as opposed to a visitor
>> or an interloper. Being a citizen of a country is something and has some
>> value. Depending on the quality of the country. Being a citizen of the
>> U.S. has a lot more value to it than being a Mexican citizen, in my
>> opinion. In no country do non citizens enjoy the same rights and
>> freedoms that native born citizens do. It's the way it is everywhere. Do
>> you think you should have the same rights in a foreign country as the
>> people who are natives do? You do know that you won't get that anywhere,
>> right? It's a given that a natural born citizen of a country gets things
>> foreigners don't. I see nothing unfair about that. Being a citizen is
>> kind of special. Like being a human is kind of special as compared to
>> only being an abstract creation like a corporation. But that's just one
>> man's opinion. Others may vary.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> My wife is not a US citizen. She has a green card so can stay and
> work in the US even if she got a divorce.
> The only rights she does not have is the right to vote and there is
> some law about being able to inherit property as a spouse in the US
> without any estate tax. And since there is no estate tax so far this
> year, I think the only right she does not have is the right to vote.
>
> Many countries have restrictions on owning property, but the US does
> not. For example US citizens can not own property in Mexico within so
> many miles of the coast. So Mexican citizens may have rights that are
> better than US citizens. It just depends on if you have to work for a
> living.
> If you have a green card, you can work in the US.,
>
> Dan
>

You just proved my point. Non citizens do not have the same rights as
citizens. Different countries have different policies in how little or
how much they grant to non citizens. As you see from your case if you
have a green card you have almost all the rights a citizen does. But a
green card is a valuable thing. If you are here illegally you don't have
near as many rights as a green card holder does. It's a legal question
of what rights non citizens have and all countries set their own rules.
But the bottom line is that being a citizen is the highest you can get
on the scale of rights. Everyone else is lower down on the ladder. I
think you grant the same basic "human rights" to everyone but you always
keep some rights that are only for the citizens of a nation. If you
don't then you might just as well as say all humans are citizens of our
country. I would oppose that.

Hawke

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Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:01 pm
From: Springs Rocks

The importance of cutting taxes and reducing spending so that
government is more accountable and efficient.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_dystopia_conservatives_built_20100204/

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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:13 pm
From: Aratzio

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:10:39 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> got double secret probation for
writing:

>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:52:43 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:15:54 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:06:20 -0500, Cliff
>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>
>>>>On 8 Feb 2010 07:15:01 -0600, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbrown@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>>news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>>>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>>>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>>>>
>>>>>Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain jackass
>>>>>we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
>>>>>doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>>>>
>>>> A written speach is one thing.
>>>> IIRC Even Lincoln had written down his Gettysburg Address.
>>>> Simple Q & A is quite another.
>>>>
>>>> Or are you claiming it was a put-up fraud & she could not even
>>>>remember four lines?
>>>
>>>Have you EVER done any public speaking?
>>
>>I have. I used to MC promotion and retirement parties while in the
>>Army. Never once had to write something on my hand. In fact It think
>>it's an utterly juvenile thing to do. When my daughter was young she'd
>>write phone numbers on her had and I made her stop. It's an absolutely
>>asinine thing to do.
>>And to be honest the cheaters in school did it easily when ever they
>>wanted. The DUMB kids wrote on their hands and got caught. And that's
>>what she is..the dumb kid in class who got caught cheating.
>
>Maybe if the speech changes from time to time, a few bullet points
>might be in order. But congratulations on being some kinda version of
>the Sham-Wow guy.

I have given speeches at different conferences and trade shows with as
little as 15 minutes notice. If you are calm and have a grasp of the
subject matter public speaking is easy. Two things fuck people up,
nerves and lack of knowledge. So either Palin is a nervous nellie and
uncomfortable speaking live or she is stupid. Given that she required
the questions pre-screened and then wrote the answers on her hand AND
had to reference the *notes* in the middle of her answer, she is dumb
as a stump.

But them tea baggers just eat that shit up.

A stupid person giving a speech to 600 or so (1100?) stupider people.

Think about it, they paid at least $349.00 to hear her *speechifying*.
That does make her much smarter than them. Also her one speech was
probably more than any of them make in 2 years.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:21 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 9, 1:42 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote innews:rsqdnZF2zO29KezWnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Gray Ghost wrote:
> >> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
> >>news:N4Wdneec9MkdOezWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> >>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> >http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/02/12/obamas-pre...
> >>> oved-press-list-last-getting-notice
>
> >>> "pre-approved journalists", not questions.
>
> >> And you point is what? That the sheep will challenge the shepherd?
>
> > No.
> > Obama selectively calls on journalists, unlike Palin, who cribs answers to
> > pre-approved questions from a single group of friendly questioners.
>
> You can spin reality however you like. Reality is what it is and noone
> beleives you and your kind anymore.
>
> --
> God, guns and guts made America great.
>
> And Janet Napolitano nervous.
>
> Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
> restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...and you think anyone believes you?

The latest poll shows that only 17% consider Sarah "The Hand" Palin to
be presidental material.

Note that 16.9% had to check their cheat notes on their hands before
responding.

TMT

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:22 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 9, 2:05 pm, "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
> Gray Ghost wrote:
> > "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
> >news:7ImdnVA74tjBIOzWnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> >>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
> >>>news:rsqdnZF2zO29KezWnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> >>>> Gray Ghost wrote:
> >>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
> >>>>>news:N4Wdneec9MkdOezWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> >>>>>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> >>>>http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/02/12/obamas-pre-a
> >>>> ppr
> >>>>>> oved-press-list-last-getting-notice
>
> >>>>>> "pre-approved journalists", not questions.
>
> >>>>> And you point is what? That the sheep will challenge the shepherd?
>
> >>>> No.
> >>>> Obama selectively calls on journalists, unlike Palin, who cribs
> >>>> answers to pre-approved questions from a single group of friendly
> >>>> questioners.
>
> >>> As compared to Obama only selectively calling on journalists who he
> >>> knows are friendly to him? ;)
>
> >> It's only significant in the context of the OP's remark and cite.
> >> Requiring the submission of questions in advance isn't the same
> >> thing as excluding FOX from pool.
>
> > A distinction without a difference.
>
> >> About the only thing Obama and Palin have in common is their
> >> citizenship.
>
> > Well, now there does seem to be some disagreemtn on that, now doesn't
> > there?
>
> Perhaps.
> Has anyone seen Palin's birth certificate?
>
> --
> John R. Carroll- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I demanded to see it...they won't show it to me.

I suspect that she is Russian born. ;<)

TMT

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:25 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:46:20 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
<nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>> news:Gq6dnY99U6vxXezWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Gray Ghost wrote:
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>> news:7ImdnVA74tjBIOzWnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>>>> news:rsqdnZF2zO29KezWnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gray Ghost wrote:
>>>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:N4Wdneec9MkdOezWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>> If I was somewhere with her, her birth certificate is not what I
>> would be looking at, of course, I might not mind digging for it
>> either. ;)
>
>LOL
>Each to his or her own, but I'm in Southern California - the Los Angeles
>South Bay to be precise.
>Redondo and Hermosa.
>Sarah Palin isn't even half way to M.I.L.F. territory here in terms of good
>looking and the "Hot Mom" cutoff is 25 or so.
>40+ women are a pain. They have opinions, nag at every turn and are pretty
>demanding.

Even if she really was attractive physically, mygawd, that voice and
the phony accent, yipping out the irritating word salad. Yikes! She'd
need to be de-barked, or else only allowed into the house for short
periods.

>Who needs all that baggage?

... or the bills for the primping and the tanning and the wardrobe.
And think of the time and energy it would take to bail her out of the
inevitable personal conflicts that conniving harpies tend to get
themselves into, like the BIL thing. Then you'd have to watch the
makeup get thicker and thicker over the years until she turns into the
Alaskan Tammy Faye. And all for what? Imagine being stuck day in and
day out listening to her mindless and indefensible hypocrisy like the
great "retard" debate. Holy crap. One could get more genuine and
stimulating companionship from a neurotic cat.

Wayne

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:33 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 2/9/2010 3:29 PM, RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
> news:Gq6dnY99U6vxXezWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Gray Ghost wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>> news:7ImdnVA74tjBIOzWnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>>> news:rsqdnZF2zO29KezWnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gray Ghost wrote:
>>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:N4Wdneec9MkdOezWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/02/12/obamas-p
>>>>>> re-a ppr
>>>>>>>> oved-press-list-last-getting-notice
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "pre-approved journalists", not questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you point is what? That the sheep will challenge the
>>>>>>> shepherd?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>> Obama selectively calls on journalists, unlike Palin, who cribs
>>>>>> answers to pre-approved questions from a single group of friendly
>>>>>> questioners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As compared to Obama only selectively calling on journalists who he
>>>>> knows are friendly to him? ;)
>>>>
>>>> It's only significant in the context of the OP's remark and cite.
>>>> Requiring the submission of questions in advance isn't the same
>>>> thing as excluding FOX from pool.
>>>
>>> A distinction without a difference.
>>>
>>>> About the only thing Obama and Palin have in common is their
>>>> citizenship.
>>>
>>> Well, now there does seem to be some disagreemtn on that, now doesn't
>>> there?
>>
>> Perhaps.
>> Has anyone seen Palin's birth certificate?
>
>
> If I was somewhere with her, her birth certificate is not what I would be
> looking at, of course, I might not mind digging for it either. ;)
>
with her checkered past and foreign junkets and being as her parents are
from different Nations.... there is that question of her being able to
send Morse code messages across to the Russians...
--

*BE VERY CONCERNED*

The problem with Socialism is, sooner or later, socialists run out of
other peoples money.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:17 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Ignoramus30280 wrote:
>
> (and for those wishing to lecture me on safety, we have cell
> phones)

Who cares?

--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:19 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:28:58 -0600, F. George McDuffee
<gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:00:24 -0600, F. George McDuffee
><gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
><snip>
>>I am composing a letter on this to my Congress persons which I
>>will post to the NGs in case anyone wants to use it.
><snip>
>=========
>If anyone is interested here is the letter.
>
>To identify your representative/senators and use their web mail
>goto http://house.gov/ and http://senate.gov/
>
>Letter is too long to send as is to the White House, so you will
>need to edit.
>http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
>
>----- start -----
>The specific difficulty to which I am referring is the series of
>Toyota vehicle management problems, known to include
>acceleration, braking, and now [power] steering. All of these
>seem to be related to the "drive by wire" computerized vehicle
>control system.

Your entire approach is based on logical fallacies, but I doubt that
anything will dissuade you from fanning the flames of hysteria. My
only hope is that you own a Toyota, and get to see your resale value
bottom out at about the same time we get confirmation that the whole
thing was much ado about nothing. IOW, Audi Psychosis Part Deux.

> Unfortunately, there are very probably many more
>such difficulties that have not yet been identified, or which
>have been "stonewalled" by the regulators and/or the
>manufacturers.

Well sure, the evidence for the ever-growing conspiracy is "very
probably" cut and dried, right? Why not save some time and throw the
Toyota execs in the water to see if they float?

"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us" Walt Kelly

Wayne

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:29 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

FYI...

TMT

Drivers, cars are ill-equipped when panic sets in
By DEE-ANN DURBIN, AP Auto Writer Dee-ann Durbin, Ap Auto Writer
56 mins ago

DETROIT – You're driving down the highway and suddenly your car starts
accelerating on its own. Knuckles white, going from 60 to 90 miles an
hour in a couple of seconds, you do what comes naturally — hit the
brakes. But what if the car keeps going?

There are options: Put the car in neutral, or in park, or switch off
the ignition. But experts say those choices would be almost impossible
for most drivers to consider when they're in a panic, because
frightened people often can't remember even simple steps to protect
themselves. That — coupled with increasingly complicated gadgetry —
makes cars a dangerous place to be when you're facing an unexpected
situation.

"You're stamping on the brakes and your attention is going to be
focused on where you're going and steering. There's no cognitive space
left to think of alternatives," said Dr. Boadie Dunlop, a psychiatrist
and director of the Mood and Anxiety Program at Emory University. "To
do something that's not natural, such as turning off the engine, is
just not going to come to mind."

Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday it is recalling about 437,000 Prius
and other hybrid vehicles worldwide to fix a problem with brakes that
are momentarily unresponsive in certain driving conditions.

That follows the automaker's recent recall of 5 million vehicles
because of reports of unintended acceleration, and it's changing the
gas pedals to prevent floor mats from jamming them. But complaints
about unwanted acceleration in Toyota vehicles go back at least to
2003, according to U.S. government filings.

The issue gained new urgency last August, when a high-speed crash near
San Diego killed an off-duty California highway patrol officer and
three family members. The officer's loaner Lexus ES350 reached speeds
of more than 120 mph, struck an SUV, launched off an embankment,
rolled several times and burst into flames. The family frantically
called 911 from the car, telling the dispatcher the pedal was stuck
and they couldn't stop.

It's not known what exact steps the officer took in that case, but
Dunlop said in such a situation, the brain can't handle all the
information it's getting.

"When people are in an intensely fearful situation, their ability to
problem-solve is greatly diminished," he said.

Venkat Thannir had his own brush with panic a few months ago. The 48-
year-old college instructor from South Carolina was pulling his 2010
Toyota Camry out of a Burger King parking lot when it sped up without
warning. He panicked for several seconds before pushing hard on the
brake pedal and stopping the car.

"The vehicle was out of control," he said. "If I was not in a parking
lot, it could have been a whole different story."

Thannir never figured out exactly what happened, but believes the
pedal was defective, since he considers himself a safe driver. He
plans to get the gas pedal repaired soon. In the meantime, he feels
safe driving the vehicle for now.

Drivers have an array of safety features, including push-button stop
in some cars. But the lack of standardization for those features
further hinders peoples' ability to react to unexpected situations,
since they vary from vehicle to vehicle, according to Paul Green, a
research professor at the University of Michigan Transportation
Research Institute.

Consumer Reports has criticized Toyota for the push-button ignition in
Toyota and Lexus vehicles, which requires drivers to hold down the
button for three seconds to turn off the vehicle in an emergency.
Drivers of Cadillacs, Nissans and Infinitis can shut off the engines
by pushing the button more than once.

"The design solution is to make them all work the same way," Green
said.

Green said there's also been little research into the way safety
features are laid out in the car. Is it easy to reach down and put the
car in neutral? Should neutral be in a different order on the shifter
so it's faster or easier to act? With push buttons, he said, one of
the biggest concerns was whether children would be able to reach over
and press them, not whether they were intuitive for drivers to use in
an emergency.

Green said vehicles are getting so complex that the extent to which
drivers can understand their cars is diminishing. In one recent
analysis, the institute projected that the owner's manual and
navigation manual for a luxury vehicle will grow to 1,000 pages over
the next decade.

"Can you conceive of a person reading all this stuff and remembering
all of it?" he said.

In the meantime, prepare yourself. Peter Norton, an associate
professor of psychology at the University of Houston, said drivers
should sit in their cars and go over the steps they could take in an
unexpected situation. It's the same reason military personnel practice
simulated battles or flight attendants repeat safety instructions on
every flight.

"It's most helpful for a person, when you do go into panic mode, to
resort to a natural tendency," he said.

"If you practice something over and over, that will be the thing that
happens."

___

Associated Press Writer Page Ivey contributed to this report from
Columbia, S.C.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:30 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 9, 3:51 pm, "dcas...@krl.org" <dcas...@krl.org> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 8:41 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Your thoughts?
>
> > TMT
>
> Don't you have any thoughts on this that you might share?
>
> Dan

Of course I do.

But you first.

TMT

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:33 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 9, 3:47 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e9f5a39f-1b29-404f-918a-bf62ca726301@15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 9, 7:51 am, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:700bcccc-420a-4ae1-be7c-2d67ea569947@m31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > RIP John.
>
> >> > America is better because of you.
>
> >> Yep, the daisies should be growing nice and tall now thanks to you. Shit
> >> makes the best fertilizer.
>
> > Obviously you have never served your Country..
>
> > Some men make a difference while others do not.
>
> Luckily for you, your Imposter in Chief has lifted restrictions on gays
> serving. So put on your chaps and get going. Suit up and ship out. Obama's
> counting on you TMT. Show us all what a difference a man can make. Go serve
> the chimp and be a real corpse man.

Still trying to get the atttention you crave?

I still pity you.

All of us do.

TMT

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:36 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 9, 3:56 pm, Larry Graham <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 3:14 pm, Larry Graham <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
> >>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> >>>On Feb 9, 2:03 pm, Larry Graham <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
> >>>>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> >>>>>Obviously you have never served your Country..
>
> >>>>Nor did you.
>
> >>>>>Some men make a difference while others do not.
>
> >>>>You are not a man, so shut the fuck up.
>
> >>>>>And based on your postings, your contributions to this Country are
> >>>>>minimal at best.
>
> >>>>YOU posted that you WOULD COME TO MY HOUSE AND TAKE MY GUNS!
> >>>>Why would a "man" say that, and not follow through?
>
> >>>>>You demonstrate with each passing day that you are one of those who
> >>>>>contribute nothing to society.
>
> >>>>YOU demonstrated with each and every post, that _YOU_ are a cowardly
> >>>>pussy that will not come and break into my house!
>
> >>>>I _will_ stop YOU, and your poofter friends like "Lookout", when you
> >>>>step one inch into my home ILLEGALY!
> >>>>You and he will see a flash of light, feel a thud, and then that's it.
> >>>>...yer gone!
>
> >>>>>I pity your family for the shame you bring upon them.
>
> >>>>>TMT
>
> >>>>You never had a family.
>
> >>>Obviously you have never served your Country either..
>
> >>I do, each and every day.
> >>YOU are a poofter.
>
> >>>But I bet you have a Harley and wear a XXXL leather jacket to hide the
> >>>fact that you are a coward.
>
> >>In fact I did make, own, and rode several Harley-Davidsons and other
> >>makes, for decades.
> >>I also wore leathers, as I am smart.
>
> >>Do you still have your scooter and wear the pink frillies?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > I know you did.
>
> > I know much more about you than you realize.
>
> You know nothing, you faggot.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

*Snicker*

I know a lot.

Your "friends" and I have been talking.

Your "friends" like to talk about you...and not in a nice way.

TMT

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:38 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 9, 4:03 pm, Larry Graham <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 3:20 pm, Larry Graham <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
> >>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> >>>What is it like to never have a meaningful relationship to where you
> >>>have to retreat to Usenet to have anyone interact with you?
>
> >>>I pity you.
>
> >>Uhh.. that's what YOU are doing!
>
> >>When are YOU going to show up and take my stuff, like YOU said you were
> >>going to do... on usenet?
>
> >>I will kill you IN REAL LIFE, if you attempt to enter my home illegaly,
> >>like you said you would "on usenet!"
>
> >>What a COWARD you and your faggoty RETARD friends are!
>
> >>That's right.. I used the "R" word!
>
> > LOL...the coward speaks again.
>
> How can I be the coward, when it it is YOU that is afraid to show up and
> take my stuff, like you said would?
>
> > It must be hell to be scared of your own shadow like you are.
>
> I'm still here... you pussy!
> And I will kill you with my fists, IF you show up.
> Need my address again, COWARD?
>
> > Is that why your family is ashamed of you?
>
> I thought you said you knew more about me then I did?
> When are you gonna come by and take my stuff?
>
> You and your super poofter boy friends are still afraid to show up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You are a disappointment to your family.

A really big disappointment.

TMT

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 4:39 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 9, 4:15 pm, Larry Graham <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 3:20 pm, Larry Graham <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
> >>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> >>>What is it like to never have a meaningful relationship to where you
> >>>have to retreat to Usenet to have anyone interact with you?
>
> >>>I pity you.
>
> >>Uhh.. that's what YOU are doing!
>
> >>When are YOU going to show up and take my stuff, like YOU said you were
> >>going to do... on usenet?
>
> >>I will kill you IN REAL LIFE, if you attempt to enter my home illegaly,
> >>like you said you would "on usenet!"
>
> >>What a COWARD you and your faggoty RETARD friends are!
>
> >>That's right.. I used the "R" word!
>
> > Is that why a coward like you behaves as you do.?
>
> > As a coward that has never served, any vet could easily deal with you.
>
> I did serve.
> I still do!
>
> YOU are gay.
> You have AIDS/HIV, and because you are a liberal shitstain, that is
> why you are afraid to show up and take my stuff like you said you would.
> You and "lookout" are too busy "playing doctor" under the blankets to
> wonder were NJ is.
>
> As the AIDS/HIV persons you are, I have to kill you once you make an
> attempt to enter my home illegally... like you said you would.
>
> So, uh... when are you going to show up?
>
> Killing you terminal/criminal fags is a good thing!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah sure...in your own dreams.

TMT

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