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* Alternatives to LPS-2 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c986024af47a68d0?hl=en
* Bibles Wanted ! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f2e06ad69080532c?hl=en
* Atlas Copco Compresser - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/287c315c9e93cecd?hl=en
* Cry, Gunner, it is OK to cry now - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6d8c87d203cbf690?hl=en
* OT: Guns Save Lives -- Again! - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/55aad5dba11805d9?hl=en
* American made lathe chucks - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/99ea0c5f3f05eb79?hl=en
* Climate Change for Wingers (IOW "made simple") - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/199a47f1526e5d7f?hl=en

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TOPIC: Alternatives to LPS-2
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c986024af47a68d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:02 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:26:15 -0800, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:44:57 -0800 (PST), the infamous Jim Wilkins
><kb1dal@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Mar 4, 7:17 am, Larry Jaques <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I missed the first part of this thread. What are these things for? It
>>> looks like a propane-to-rattle-can adapter, maybe used to repressurize
>>> flat spray cans.
>>
>>Makes them round again.
>>
>>If propane doesn't quickly dissolve into the contents it can
>>overpressure the can, that's why I used butane.
>>http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/propane-vapor-pressure-d_1020.html
>>
>>Spray cans do not fail gracefully. I'd rather not post the details as
>>others might try and not be so lucky.
>
>Ouch! Scratch that off my list of possible cool tools to have/make.

And you gave me shit about shying from a 40-joule ICD mulekick when
TIG welding, you macho devil-may-care dawg!

Not knocking prudence, caution and dainty demurral, but note: it
takes about 150 PSIG to pop a plastic (PET) beverage bottle. Metal
cans are smaller and stronger than plastic bottles.

I don't know if dissolution into content lowers vapor pressure or not,
and if so what the time constant might be, I'll defer to Wilkins on
chemistry. That said, I can report that I have recharged and saved
many rattlecans with propane over a period of at least two decades
with no mishaps.

If a spraycan did fail ungracefully it'd make a pop and a mess but
it'd just rupture, no shrapnel. Wearing protective eyeware should be
SOP in the shop anyway and this is a shop activity, not one to be
practiced in milady's parlor.

Pick yer pony, take yer ride ... or walk behind far enough that you
feel safe. <G>

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TOPIC: Bibles Wanted !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f2e06ad69080532c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:19 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:57:05 +0000, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
<vordos@tds.net> wrote:

> "Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
> news:hmocf4$ncc$6@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <nccvo5ti35obdetihcr8mt9trser4dva4i@4ax.com>,
>> SnapTrap@ouchyouf*cker.ork wrote:
>>
>>>And furthermore, you can't prove one is more wrong than the other. But
>>>that being said, stories in the bible can be proven to be false.
>>>
>>>Unless you have an astrophysical explanation for how the sun could stop
>>>in the sky, for example...
>>
>> Astrophysical explanation is not required. If you accept the Bible's
>> description of a deity able to create the universe from nothingness at
>> a spoken command, it follows logically that you would accept that said
>> deity is able to stop and restart the rotation of the earth as well, as
>> the latter
>> task is clearly much simpler than the former. :-)
>
> That's not a great endorsement for the concept of a creator. Seems to
> me using one absurd example as proof of another absurd example is a bit
> lame., just as man's concept of a creator is lame. If there is such an
> entity, it/she/he has been exploited well by humans.
>
> I don't believe it. There is no evidence that the sun has ever "stopped
> in the sky", nor is that a conceivable notion. The closest you might
> come to such nonsense is the fact that the earth's gravitational field
> changes position with some long term regularity. That's hardly the same
> thing.
>
> Harold

Well, crust slippage might cause the sun to move in strange ways if that
theory has any validity. Ergot from rye seed is a better explanation.

Ancient LSD is a reasonable explanation for some of those fables.
Talking snakes and bushes with flames that don't burn, levitation and all
manner of hallucinations.

Insanity is another and much simpler.

--
Regards, Curly
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TOPIC: Atlas Copco Compresser
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/287c315c9e93cecd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:31 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:56:10 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
<bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:00:40 -0500, "Dixie Drifter"
><downsouthkid@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I just got an Atlas Copco LF3-10 compresser at a GREAT price. It has aLeroy
>>Somer LS100lt 3 phase motor. My problem is I have no experiance with 3 phase
>>wiring however I do have 2 24 volt dc in 230 volt 3 phase out inverters. My
>>question is should I try and build a rotary converter or just run from a
>>battery bank and inverter? I am in South Carolina and I only have 220 single
>>phase service here.This is an oil-free unit from a mobile service truck it
>>was new on the pallet when I got it.
>
> You can use a rotary converter that runs continuously while you are
>in the shop, but NOT a static inverter like a Phase-A-Matic -
>compressors need all their horsepower as they approach peak pressure
>shutdown.
>
> And they start too often, and automatically - if something goes
>wrong with a static inverter and the motor fails to start... No
>matter how fancy, I have seen staged systems that pre-start a rotary
>converter idler first fail, and static inverters fail, and the results
>can be disastrous. You really need to be there to cut the power.
>
> The best bet is a Variable Frequency Drive, if the motor is rated to
>handle it - most newer motor are, but you have to check the paperwork
>to be sure. That's the ONLY way that I consider safe for unattended
>operation, as the VFD will go into protective mode and shut down.
>
> And the VFD you buy has to be rated for single-phase input at the
>needed load, too. Some are, some aren't. Some are, but you have to
>derate it and a nominal 10-HP drive can only handle 5 or 7.5 with
>single phase input. Read The Friendly Manual.
>
> Special hookup is needed. You NEVER put any switches or controls
>between the VFD and the motor (unless specifically allowed by the VFD
>builder), or the VFD blows up when the load suddenly disappears and
>the contacts in the starter start arcing over.
>
> You want to wire the pressure switch on the air receiver tank to the
>remote Start/Stop leads on the VFD, not inline between the power
>source and the motor. The VFD will handle all the starting and
>stopping for you.
>
> (But you still need a safety switch on the wall to cut the power
>feeding the VFD, so you can lock out for service. Having the motor
>start in the middle of a compressor oil change, or with your hands
>inside the belt cage replacing the vee belt is a bad thing...)
>
>--<< Bruce >>--

The Automation Direct GS1 series would be cheap enough for this
application and would work well.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: Cry, Gunner, it is OK to cry now
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6d8c87d203cbf690?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:46 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:29:48 -0600, Ignoramus5688
<ignoramus5688@NOSPAM.5688.invalid> wrote:

>1,500 lbs of A-2, D-2, 304 stainless, and some 4140...
>and some CPM too... 99% bars 1% rounds...
>
>I paid $70 for this and the big shelf as one auction lot...
>
>but then a craigslist guy came and paid me $70 for the shelf... took
>the shelf right from the factory...
>
>i

Bravo! Bravo indeed!!!!

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2010 11:47 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:11 -0600, Ignoramus5688
<ignoramus5688@NOSPAM.5688.invalid> wrote:

>OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
>anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
>very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
>lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
>press.
>
>i

D2 and A2 make incredible knife blades btw.....

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: OT: Guns Save Lives -- Again!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/55aad5dba11805d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 5 2010 12:05 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:05:40 -0800 (PST), "langwadt@fonz.dk"
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>On 12 Feb., 22:25, Rich Grise on Google groups
><richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>>
>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia.  If you
>> do, please forward it to your friends.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>>
>> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>>
>> Several months ago, in the notoriously dangerous neighborhood of
>> College Park in Atlanta, Georgia, two armed criminals broke into a
>> house party of students.
>>
>> After confiscating the group's valuables, the invaders split the men
>> and women up into different rooms.
>>
>> Witnesses say the perpetrators then counted their rounds and discussed
>> if they had "enough" ammunition.
>>
>> The students believe the gunmen were going to rape and murder the
>> entire group of students, who were celebrating a birthday at the end
>> of the semester.
>>
>> However, one male student, whose identity is being protected by police
>> and local media, retrieved a handgun from his backpack and fired at
>> the thug who was detaining the men.
>>
>> (That is: One smart student had prepared for a night in College Park,
>> Atlanta.)
>>
>> The criminal fled the apartment under the threat of injury and never
>> returned.
>>
>> The student, continuing on into the girls' room, found the other thug,
>> 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, preparing to rape his first victim.
>>
>> The student exchanged gunfire with Lavant, lethally wounding him in
>> the process.  Lavant fled through a window and died in front of his
>> apartment, only one building away.
>>
>> One of the female students was injured during the exchange, but
>> doctors expect a full and complete recovery.
>>
>> So what's the point
>>
>> A student saved the girls from rape, and saved the whole group of 10
>> people (including himself) from murder . . . and he did it with a
>> handgun.
>>
>> This is a perfect example of how ludicrous "big city gun laws" are.
>> What if this had happened in New York, Chicago, or any of the other
>> big cities that criminalize their citizens' self defense?
>>
>> Yes, we would be reading an entirely different story -- one so
>> horrendous that we would shudder at the very words.
>>
>> Either this whole group of friends would have been raped and murdered
>> by these two sorry excuses for human beings . . . or the hero of this
>> story would be facing prison time for firearm possession and murder.
>>
>> Thankfully, however, Atlanta hasn't outlawed self-defense yet.  And
>> since someone had a gun and was willing to use it, innocent life was
>> preserved.
>>
>> Congratulations to the unnamed hero of this story.  You saved your
>> friends' lives.
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Dudley Brown
>> Executive Director
>> National Association for Gun Rights
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To help the National Association for Gun Rights grow, please forward
>> this to a friend.
>>
>> To view this email as a web page, please click this link: view online.
>>
>> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
>> Rights!
>
>that is about as relevant to anything as if a organization called
>"guys agains seltbelts"
>said you shouldn't wear seatbelts because in they have a story about
>some guy who
>survived a crash because he didn't.
>
>I'm sure the risk of something going really bad is much worse with
>guys bringing guns
>to a party getting drunk and killing someone is much much higher than
>the remote
>chance that one of them will be the hero that saves the day, given the
>utterly remote
>risk that it is just that one party in trillion that some decides to
>break into and kill all.
>
>-Lasse

Odd...most of the folks that I run with carry guns on their persons
every day..and they even party hearty.

No one has yet been shot wrongfully in the 20plus years Ive run with
them.

So you are claiming that they all kill people around them when they have
had a couple beers?

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 5 2010 12:10 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:36:59 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:35:40 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
><too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 13, 6:44 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:37:43 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>> >krw wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:11 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
>>> >>>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>>>
>>> >>>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia.  If you
>>> >>>> do, please forward it to your friends.
>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> 3 dead, 3 hurt in Alabama campus shooting
>>> >>> <http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-12-alabama-university-sho...>
>>> >>> Woman faculty member denied tenure at University of Alabama's Huntsville
>>> >>> campus, kills three biology professors and injures three other employees
>>> >>> at the school Friday.
>>> >>> It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
>>> >>> 14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
>>> >>> Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>>>
>>> >>> But, gee Rich, if the lady hadn't lost her temper this Friday, she might
>>> >>> have been able to thwart a crime somewhere next Friday. And that middle
>>> >>> school kid, he definitely could have thwarted a crime somwehere last
>>> >>> Thursday if he was in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't,
>>> >>> so he killed a student on Friday instead.
>>>
>>> >> Carrying on an Alabama campus (UAH) is illegal.  Seems the perp, as
>>> >> usual,  didn't much care about the law but it did mean that the
>>> >> victims couldn't defend themselves.
>>>
>>> >One day's "victim" can be another day's perp. People snap.
>>>
>>> That doesn't change the fact that the others were not permitted to
>>> defend themselves against the crazy.
>>>
>>> BTW, it's not the first time she's killed someone.  She killed her
>>> brother twenty-something years ago.  Taxyourtwoshits didn't charge
>>> her.  Surprise, surprise.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>It also causes society to ask the question..."How did this crazy
>>conservative get a gun?"
>
>She was a leftist Obama lover, loser.

Of course she was. Obama lovers are all mentally ill.

Shrug

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x379808909/Man-holds-suspected-burglar-at-gunpoint-until-police-arrive

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 5 2010 12:18 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:04:11 +0800, "Royston Vasey" <royston@vasey.com>
wrote:

>
>"Rich Grise on Google groups" <richardgrise@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:644d07aa-5287-430b-ac0b-14721bf6dc88@w27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org>
>>
>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
>> do, please forward it to your friends.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>>
>> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>>
>
>
>[sinpped]
>
>> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
>> Rights!
>
>
>
>Looks like they helped out here as well:
>
>http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/20100213103321/Article/index_html
>
>
Which just goes to show that Liberals and Obama Lovers (she was)..are
mentally ill.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: American made lathe chucks
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/99ea0c5f3f05eb79?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 5 2010 12:16 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:24:46 -0600, Don Foreman
<dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:45:41 -0600, Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net>
>wrote:
>
>> In a possibly fruitless search for an adjustable, US made chuck, I've
>>found that a price list is not a common thing. Bison is looking better
>>and better. I am having suspicions that BTC is making Cushman chucks
>>(sure share the same model number).
>>
>>Kalamazoo hasn't got back to me.
>>
>>5", 3 jaw, micro adjustable, adapter for 1 3/4 by 8 tpi. Brass and Tool
>>has the Bison Set-Tru and a 1 3/4 x 8 tpi mounting plate....
>>
>>5" chuck is roughly 11 pounds, a 6" is roughly 23 pounds...
>
>http://www.buckchuckusa.com/

Damned good chucks

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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TOPIC: Climate Change for Wingers (IOW "made simple")
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/199a47f1526e5d7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 5 2010 12:19 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:59:22 -0500, "Buerste" <buerste@wowway.com>
wrote:

>
>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:5ad2da63-60f4-4d72-87b2-b1928f9ef8bd@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>On Feb 13, 2:31 am, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote:
>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>> news:e9ncn590cu372q13d88pg9t0ptc7c0v0to@4ax.com...
>>
>> Nice try, AGW has already been exposed as a scam. Nobody buys the lies
>> anymore...except for you Libterd Douchebagger Neo-Socialists...you're the
>> laughingstock of the world!
>
>Hey Tom...where are those records that you promised us?
>
>First you promise Gunner a job and don't deliver and now you take
>forever to produce the records you promised.
>
>What kind of crappy business are you trying to run?
>
>TMT
>****************************************
>
>Where's the escrow money? Admit you've never SEEN that much because you
>don't work and live from cheese-check to cheese check that you then spend on
>drugs and booze.

It should be noted for accuracy that Tom DID offer me a job. But Ohio
is too far from California to interest me much.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

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