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TOPIC: OT - The Supremes To Decide On A Gun Issue
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 11:47 pm
From: "azotic"

"Ignoramus5280" <ignoramus5280@NOSPAM.5280.invalid> wrote in message
news:fa6dndirEruFmBPWnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Guys, I was busy with my lathe, can someone tell me when we will find
> out what is the supreme court's decision. Thanks

Sometime in June.

Best Regards
Tom.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:26 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

Probably early June.

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Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Glenn Beck Has Gone from Crazy Talk to Dangerous Incitement
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03ecfef2321238cb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 12:42 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:34:50 -0800, sittingduck <duck@spamherelots.com>
wrote:

> On the subject of the exploding deficits of Bush you will find that the
> same crowd now fulminating and castigating non-stop and ardently
> demonstrating at Tea Bag rallies were those defending him[Bush] and
> denouncing as unpatriotic those who dared utter a disparaging word at
> someone[Bush] they then extolled as the hero of 9/11.
>
> We know from history that this is a staple Republican right stratagem.
> Realizing that they cannot stand up to free debate because the facts lie
> elsewhere, they condemn as unpatriotic those who dare to point out who
> and what they really are.

Fucking hypocrites.

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Regards, Curly
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Republicans: Party Without a Conscious
Democrats: Party Without a Spine
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TOPIC: building jeep frame
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/32fc57a529507b1b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 1:13 am
From: John D.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:25:38 -0800 (PST), mark <markhabbi@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mar 2, 4:38�pm, "dcas...@krl.org" <dcas...@krl.org> wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 2:52�pm, mark <markha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > My original jeep CJ-7 frame has rusted out and I was thinking of
>> > building a new one from aluminum. Would 2 X 4 X 1/4 �wall (if that is
>> > even available) box tubing have the equivalent strength of the stock
>> > 1/8" wall steel frame? I would like aluminum because it will last
>> > forever, no need of any paints etc..., very easy to work with and
>> > cheaper than building a steel one and having it galvanized. My second
>> > choice would be stainless 1/8" box tubing.
>>
>> How old is your jeep? �And after you put a new frame in it, how long
>> will you want to keep it? � The thought being that the original frame
>> lasted X years. �How long you want to keep it might be less than X
>> years.
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Dan
>
>It is 25 year old now and I want to rebuild it. I have been down the
>road of sand blasting, metal prep, epoxy paints, polyurethane coatings
>and as far as I am concerned nothing lasts when the roads are salted
>in the winter and you live on an island surrounded by salt water. If I
>am going to rebuild it and pass it down to my kids someday I am going
>to do it in a way that it will last and not need to be done again. I
>already have a fiberglass body. I have built aluminum aquaculture
>cranes, and boats which see much more stress than a jeep frame will
>ever see. If my original question was if you can build aluminum cranes
>I can only imagine what the answers would be. As for the torsional
>flexing, I don't think that exists, sure a frame by itself will flex
>but when bolted to a body how could it flex and all body seems and
>lines remain constant. A fiberglass body has no flex and it is bolted
>to the frame. For the last 10 years my original frame has been so thin
>you could break through it with a hammer in places and it is still
>holding up, a 1/4" wall aluminum box frame has to be stronger than
>that.

A non-rusting jeep at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16916080@N05/3359404548/

I've seen these things up close and they are as pretty as the picture.

John D.
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

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TOPIC: Heavy Metal Work
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a0f539ace664e46f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 2:20 am
From: "kfvorwerk@gmail.com"

On Mar 2, 6:39 pm, cavelamb <cavel...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Bill McKee wrote:
> > "cavelamb" <cavel...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:vISdnc2jsdWlKRDWnZ2dnUVZ_uGqnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >> Pouring a 6000 pound lead keel for a sailboat.
>
> >>http://www.riparia.org/ketch/keelpouring.html
>
> >> --
>
> >> Richard Lamb
> >>http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
>
> > I love those brass anchor bolts. When I was in high school, my boss was
> > building a sailboat. Hurricane. And I got the job of drilling the 4000#
> > lead keel with through holes for mounting bolts. Drilling lead is a rather
> > nasty job. Kept melding and sticking to the drill bit, if you tried to rush
> > the drilling.
>
> Dunno if this is right or not, but for some reason I seem to recall that the
> drilling lube for lead is, excuse me, milk???
>
> --
>
> Richard Lambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

That sounds right to me but I don't know where I read it.
Karl

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TOPIC: Bibles Wanted !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f2e06ad69080532c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 3:55 am
From: Cliff

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/national/main6260070.shtml

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TOPIC: Endangerment Finding
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ff743e798d14f481?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:07 am
From: "leonard78sp@gmail.com"

On Mar 2, 1:16 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:06:05 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
>
> <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> > Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> fired this volley in
> >news:hmjdn8$uks$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> >> Nope, also CO and NO2. Carbon monoxide is the killer.
>
> > Not from a clean, properly oxygenated, near-atmospheric pressure flame.
> > NOx compounds are not formed at the relatively low temperatures found
> > there, and CO is only formed in the presence of insufficient oxygen.
>
> > LLoyd
>
> Few kerosene heaters are well attended and do produce both NO2 (and NO)
> and carbon monoxide. Oft times dangerous levels of CO. NO actually
> helps respiration but isn't present in any significant amount. CO should
> be of concern.
>
ø Bullshit!!!

ø 1- Nobody can control the wind
2- Nobody can control the rain or snow
3- Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
4- Global temps are within natural variations
5- Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
  Get used to it!!

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TOPIC: Vast Antarctic iceberg
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/58a4f2b6832f2251?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:09 am
From: Shall not be infringed

On Mar 1, 4:38 pm, "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 1, 2:27 pm, ed wolf <eduartw...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > On 1 Mrz., 19:17, "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Ø March is already autumn in the Southern
> Hemisphere.
>
> > ???
> > ed
>
> ø Thank you, ed!!
>
> ø The issue is really irrelevant.
> Nobody can control the wind
> Nobody can control the rain or snow
> Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
> Global temps are within natural variations
> Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
>   Get used to it!!

We built shelter to protect ourselves from the weather... and
climate. You should see Al Gore's home!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:11 am
From: Shall not be infringed

On Mar 1, 12:28 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:59:31 -0500, Cliff
>
>
>
>
>
> <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:42:49 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
> > <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Feb 27, 12:23 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> >>wrote:
> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8539198.stm
> >>> "Vast Antarctic iceberg 'threat to marine life'" <Video at link>
> >>> [
> >>> A vast iceberg that broke off eastern Antarctic earlier this month
> >>> could disrupt marine life in the region, scientists have warned.
>
> >>> They say the iceberg, which is 78km long and up to 39km wide, could
> >>> make it harder for the area's colonies of Emperor Penguins to find
> >>> food.
>
> >>> But British and Australian scientists disagree on whether it could
> >>> also cause major problems to our own weather patterns.
>
> >>> Tom Symonds reports.
> >>> ]
>
> >>5 miles by 2.5 miles. Big deal.
>
> > Thank you for the advanced math work, Mr. Winger.
>
> Remember when the cockroach claimed to have worked in science on a daily
> basis? Same accuracy shown here...

I made a mistake. Then I did something the climate scientists
couldn't do... I admitted it.

That's the diff between a climate scientist and a meteorologist.

So what's your excuse, Alberto Cur-Lee?

> --
> Regards, Curly
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TOPIC: When is an M45x3 not a 1.75x8 thread?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:23 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 3, 1:00 am, Don Foreman <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
> ...
> You could measure it.
>
> Put a sharp V threading bit in the toolholder and stick a DI on the
> bed with a magnet or whatever....

Or mount the DI in the toolpost, set the lathe to thread and see if it
tracks the spindle thread pitch. I would unplug the power cord first.

When you have it set to follow the spindle thread, clean up the
backplate thread. It may be correct but tight. I have an old South
Bend chuck that won't quite screw all the way onto my lathe.

jsw

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Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:05 am
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <85dba9bd-a503-4ddc-9b6c-05de313d161c@k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Bob AZ <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote:
>> Anyone have a seller of M45x3 nuts so I can check the spindle nose?
>> There are NO points for Grainger or McMaster.
>
>Louis
>
>The 1.75" X 8 tpi are off too much for M45X3 to be a consideration.

Not that far off: 1.75" = 44.45mm; 8 tpi = 3.175mm.

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Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:51 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:hmlmqh$rur$5@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article
> <85dba9bd-a503-4ddc-9b6c-05de313d161c@k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Bob
> AZ <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone have a seller of M45x3 nuts so I can check the spindle nose?
>>> There are NO points for Grainger or McMaster.
>>
>>Louis
>>
>>The 1.75" X 8 tpi are off too much for M45X3 to be a consideration.
>
> Not that far off: 1.75" = 44.45mm; 8 tpi = 3.175mm.
>

You probably could get the threads to engage, but the load wouldn't be
distributed among the threads. You'd probably have less than a full thread
in actual contact. That's the real weakness in having "almost" the right
thread.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Any Homemade line boring equipment?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f4160105c5b801d9?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:24 am
From: Pete Keillor

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:59:07 -0800, "Bill McKee"
<bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
>news:jc2dndb_-avxUhDWnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> Anyone make their own line boring bar/equipment? It doesn't look that
>> hard to make and could be handy on jobs that are too big for machine
>> tools. Just wondering if there are any good plans or project info on
>> these. The stuff looks pretty expensive to buy new for what it is.
>>
>> RogerN
>>
>>
>
>Depends on the job. Years ago, on Hopto excavators, my dad would mount an
>engine cylinder boring machine to the side of the boom to bore out the pivot
>pin area, to install a replaceble pin in made.
>

I seem to recall a rig by Wayne Cook. Maybe he'll chime in.

Pete Keillor

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TOPIC: OT Its getting bloody awful!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:45 am
From: Andrew VK3BFA

Hey Good People,
theirs getting to be so much off topic crap here, its hard to find the
gem of metalwork. I have bin welding, plastic cutting, cutting 5mm
aluminium sheet for salvaged fans from PC power supplies....welding,
measuring, getting it wrong and rewelding after cutting...and lots of
other stuff which, if not metalwork, is related as the same methodical
thinking and analysis is required.

Who, really, gives a stuff about politics. If you lucky, 50% of your
country turns out to vote. Wingers, Democrats - crapping on here will
NEVER change anyone's ideas, or how they vote. Are you all Old Farts,
for whom the only thing left to moan about is politics?

Global Warming? - who cares, we will be dead before we know if its
bullshit or not. Pity about our descendants if the nay-sayers have got
it wrong......

Lighten up folks - there's some good people here, with things to say.
Lets hear them for a while.

Andrew VK3BFA.

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TOPIC: January
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/500a9e8efc722005?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:55 am
From: Zymrgy

On Mar 2, 3:51 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:59:30 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer
>
> <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> >Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
> >> http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/160556
> >> "WEATHER:
>
> >That's it.
>
> Nope
> Entire planet is warming.
> That is not weather.
> --
> Cliff

So THATS why they had snow in Florida this year...not because of
weather...because it was warm????? I find it odd that in January, the
entire British isle was covered in snow....at one point there was snow
in all 50 states, the Florida citrus crop was severely damaged....yet
it was warmer than normal?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:35 am
From: JohnM

On Mar 3, 2:55 pm, Zymrgy <zym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 3:51 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:59:30 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer
>
> > <spamtrap...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
> > >Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
> > >> http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/160556
> > >> "WEATHER:
>
> > >That's it.
>
> > Nope
> > Entire planet is warming.
> > That is not weather.

>
> So THATS why they had snow in Florida this year...not because of
> weather...because it was warm?????

Changes in the climate don't make the weather more predictable, I'm
afraid.

> I find it odd that in January, the
> entire British isle was covered in snow....at one point there was snow
> in all 50 states, the Florida citrus crop was severely damaged....yet
> it was warmer than normal?

That's the way it goes it would seem. Nobody really knows how a
steadily warming planet will respond on a day-to-day and place-to-
place basis.

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TOPIC: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/61873515b3a556d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:58 am
From: Dave__67

I'm serious, if this was a meatspace community, the Cliffs would be
ejected by the community.

Let's come up with some real-world sanctions/repercussions, get rid of
him, and then go after the next a-hole who takes his place.

Lets go after this fucker- it's time to draw a line, and when someone
crosses that line, get rid of 'em. Make coming here sufficiently
painful he stops coming.

First step- his real-world contact info. Someone's gotta have it.

Dave

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:05 am
From: "Jon Danniken"

Dave__67 wrote:
> I'm serious, if this was a meatspace community, the Cliffs would be
> ejected by the community.
>
> Let's come up with some real-world sanctions/repercussions, get rid of
> him, and then go after the next a-hole who takes his place.
>
> Lets go after this fucker- it's time to draw a line, and when someone
> crosses that line, get rid of 'em. Make coming here sufficiently
> painful he stops coming.

I have had "Cliff" killfilled for several years now, and do not see any of
his posts.

Unfortunately, there are a sufficient number of bozos who incessantly reply
to him. I killfill the majority of them as well, but as with the problem in
making an idiotproof design, new idiots keep popping up.

Jon

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TOPIC: Alternatives to LPS-2
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c986024af47a68d0?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:04 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 3, 12:42 am, Don Foreman <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:54:08 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
>
> >You can re-pressurize aerosol cans with propane.
> I did that too. Mine looks amazingly similar to yours, Bob, except
> that mine isn't nearly as shiney.

I once found a purse-size hairspray can with a tapered insert <|=
pressed into the valve stem under the spray nozzle so it could be
refilled from a larger can by holding the stems together. Butane
lighter refills and starting fluid also worked with it as long as the
small can was in cold water.

I bought one hand-pump spray bottle of LPS3 and refilled it first from
the dead aerosol cans and then a gallon jug. It goes further, sprays
better and doesn't clog the nozzle if diluted about 1:4 with kerosine.
Shake before using because part of it precipitates out.

jsw

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TOPIC: 'Puter Q-How to boot to 2 OS HDS?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:15 am
From: "Jon Danniken"

JR North wrote:
> Have ME on C, 95 on D. Besides unplugging C (hard to get to), how can
> I force a boot to the 95 HD? no option in BIOS to select different
> HDDs. JR

If they are on two physically different drives, you can hook up a DPDT
switch to the master/slave jumper on each drive.

The switch is attached to the front of the computer, and when the computer
is off, you flip the switch to select which drive you wish to boot to. When
you turn on the computer, the drive you want to boot into becomes the master
drive, and you boot into that OS. The switch has no effect once the
computer has booted.

I ran with this setup for a couple years dual booting W2k/WXP (before I
"had" to switch over to XP). Worked great.

Of course, with W95/W98, you might be able to just use a boot floppy.

Jon

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:35 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 3, 8:15 am, "Jon Danniken" <jondanSPAMni...@yaSPAMhoo.com>
wrote:
> JR North wrote:
> > Have ME on C, 95 on D. Besides unplugging C (hard to get to), how can
> > I force a boot to the 95 HD? no option in BIOS to select different
> > HDDs. JR
> ...
> Of course, with W95/W98, you might be able to just use a boot floppy.
>
> Jon

I set up a DOS boot floppy with COMSPEC = C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM in the
Autoexec.bat so I could remove the floppy.

You could write a batch file named "95.bat" that runs D:\..\WIN.COM to
start Win 95 from the DOS prompt, or automatically.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/142544
Sorry, I never played with ME.

jsw

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TOPIC: Docs to Chimpbama: You drink too much!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:24 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bf52c346-e4c3-4406-b8b0-6c697958afe0@o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 1, 3:54 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> "hal" wrote in messagenews:4b8c0238.17214484@news.newsguy.com...
>> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:51:47 -0600, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/01/barack-obama-told-to-quit...
>>
>> >>Barack Obama is still struggling to kick smoking, according to his
>> >>first
>> >>medical examination since becoming president.
>>
>> >>Obama is sensitive about his cigarette habit and tetchy with reporters
>> >>who
>> >>raise it. But after his 90-minute medical at the Navy hospital outside
>> >>Washington yesterday morning, his doctors confirmed he had not yet
>> >>managed
>> >>to conquer the habit and suggested he "continue smoking cessation
>> >>efforts".
>>
>> >>The doctors said the president used medication to try to ease the
>> >>pangs,
>> >>they described it as "nicotine replacement therapy, self-use".
>>
>> >>Obama promised Michelle when he embarked on his campaign to become
>> >>president
>> >>he would quit, at the time he said he was smoking about eight a day.
>>
>> >>He told reporters last year he had quit but still had an occasional
>> >>cigarette, without specifying how many.
>>
>> >>His health was described as excellent and he does not have to return
>> >>for
>> >>another medical until 2012. Obama, who is 48, has 20-20 vision, weighs
>> >>179
>> >>llbs in his shoes and clothes, and requires little medication. Apart
>> >>from
>> >>the nicotine replacement, he uses a non-steroid anti-inflammatory
>> >>medication
>> >>associated with physical activity: he regularly plays basketball at the
>> >>White House.
>>
>> >>The doctors also recommended "moderation of alcohol intake".
>>
>> > as compared to Bush who was an alcoholic?
>>
>> You mean Obama the alcoholic. Bush didn't drink. Why do you think Obama's
>> doctors told him to moderate his alcohol intake? Certainly they weren't
>> thinking that he drank too little and needed to moderate it up. Makes
>> sense,
>> cigarette smoking, crack snorting, and now this. The man is a weak tit.-
>> Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Better do your homework Stupid...Bush drank like a fish when he wasn't
> doing coke.
>
> It spoke volumes when Bush was the "best" the Republicans could come
> up with.
>
> TMT

Post your pictures. Start with the doctors report telling him to moderate
his drinking. Thought so.

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TOPIC: Spiritual Warfare
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:49 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:56:16 -0600, "�n�hw��f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
>of pure thought with
>news:cktpo5tq1uphiouf9c70uhajomu5qu641d@4ax.com:
>
>> http://www.alaskadispatch.com/blogs/palin-watch/4243-palin-and-pr
>> ayer-warriors "Palin and 'Prayer Warriors'"
>> [
>> Remember the popular susurration that occurred during the 2008
>> election after people learned Rev. Muthee had laid hands on former
>> Gov. Palin at her Wasilla church to protect her from witchcraft
>> and demons? Well, apparently it's a more involved story than just
>> witchcraft. In an extremely lengthy article and interview, an
>> AlterNet
>>
>> (perhaps at http://www.alternet.org/rights/97939)
>>
>> contributor explores a successful, worldwide Christian spiritual
>> action network that Muthee and Palin are both reportedly a part
>> of, the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). An Alaska branch of the
>> group figures prominently as the article names several major
>> figures in the movement who have passed through Wasilla. According
>> to the story, one chief goal of the NAR is to use prayer networks
>> to conduct what it calls "spiritual warfare" against demons that
>> have taken hold of individuals and whole societies. It also holds
>> that members have a mandate to take control of "Seven Mountains of
>> Culture," which are essentially a society's main institutions. In
>> Africa at least, once the NAR overcomes the demons plaguing a
>> town, its members move in to take over those seven mountains. In
>> the U.S., the group has organized prayer actions against
>> health-care reform and gained influence in political circles, as
>> well as with other protestant churches. The article notes that the
>> organization has been overlooked in the U.S. mainly because it
>> arose within a large, disparate bloc of Protestant Christians,
>> many of whom belong to non-denominational churches. Read more at
>> AlterNet, here. We know many readers who belong to the religious
>> or political right will immediately dismiss any article from
>> AlterNet, but the article linked above is worth reading.
>>]
>>
>> http://www.alternet.org/rights/97939
>> [
>> Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent
>> movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in
>> 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was
>> featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed
>> young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least
>> three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major
>> organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to
>> as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic
>> Reformation. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to
>> take dominion over the United States and the world. ....
>> Palin's dedication to the Wasilla church is indicated by a
>> Saturday, September 7, 2008, McClatchy news service story
>> detailing possibly improper use of state travel funds by Palin for
>> a trip she made to Wasilla, Alaska to attend, on June 8, 2008,
>> both a Wasilla Assembly of God "Masters Commission" graduation
>> ceremony and also a multi-church Wasilla area event known as "One
>> Lord Sunday." ....
>> The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both
>> Third Wave activities and theology. Their Master's Commission
>> program is part of an three year post-high school international
>> training program with studies in prophecy, intercessory prayer,
>> Biblical exegesis, authority and leadership. ....
>>]
>>
>
>Well thats alASSka...if you travel far enough north is like being
>down south.
>
>Snake handlers are a hoot!

And to pass the gods exams she no doubt cheated.
Probably her gods could not see & did not know.
Money is blind. Even the counterfit stuff.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Educating Palin ??????
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:52 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:57:22 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:q40qo51ma8mh4kptii10umn2h4u6a9vsnt@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:44:41 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>news:c2eho55pv6tu7jqbpgca5uafn6jild2fll@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> http://rawstory.com/2010/02/oreilly-sarah-palin-college/
>>>> "O�Reilly: �Sarah Palin needs to go to college�"
>>>> [
>>>> Sarah Palin's popularity among conservatives may be strong, but even
>>>> some of them seem to think she ought to learn a little bit more. That
>>>> includes Fox News anchor Bill O'Reilly.
>>>>
>>>> Appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Thursday, O'Reilly told
>>>> George Stephanopoulos that if Palin wants to be a serious political
>>>> contender for the 2012 elections, she should hit the books.
>>>>
>>>> "Sarah Palin needs to go to college," O'Reilly said.
>>>>]
>>>>
>>>> He should know, right? After all, IIRC, he passed High School
>>>> somehow.
>>>
>>>He graduated from Harvard.
>>
>> Amy Goodman graduated from Harvard.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Goodman
>>
>> HTH
>
>Who cares? Obama was there, too.

Clearly they have had a few rotten apples over the years.
Found herr shrubbie's transcript yet?
Anybody that helped him cheat?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/30a39cd522bcf038?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:55 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 20:25:48 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:8lbho5dgke44ilg3bnu61g02kdltpmf7dv@4ax.com...
>> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html
>> "Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?"
>> [
>
>And I'm still asking are liberals smarter than a fence post! :-)
>
>RogerN
>

We know that voltages just don't float off to "who knows where" <VBG>.
Flash told us so !!!
--
Cliff

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