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TOPIC: Would you buy a new Toyota?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/92b2cda20b50e86b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 5:50 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <XumdnYmEJqNm1jXWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:

> F. George McDuffee wrote:
> > <snip>
> > There appears to be no reason [other than inertia] that NHTSA or
> > another agency cannot require a source code listing for computer
> > control programs for all vehicles sold in the United States as a
> > condition of approval for import.
> >
>
> I once had an '88 Corvette, George.
>
> One of the hottest after market items was an EPROM that could
> boost performance. Heck, there were dozens of them.
> I don't think there was much code there.
> Just conditions...

I had a coworker who in the 1980s installed a reground camshaft in his Saab, the
intent being to improve mileage by defeating some of the anti-smog detuning of
the engine. He claimed a great improvement in gasoline costs. His commute was
one hour each way, so it would be noticeable.

> I don't thing, in the long run, there was any noticeable difference.
> It adapted to the way you drive.
> Maybe a different EPROM for the race track would have made a difference.
> But for around town?
> Nada Much.

Now days, I hear of people reprogramming the engine control computer.

Joe Gwinn

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TOPIC: Advice on bit type?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0856926bd94b7085?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:50 am
From: Randy

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:31:04 -0700 (PDT), Dave D
<xray66@earthlink.net> wrote:

>For quite a while now I have been trying to find letter size bits that
>will drill well in thin materials, such as 1/16" aluminum. It's hard
>enough to find fractional sizes, but DeWalt pilot point seem to work
>best. However, I have not been able to find a letter size that will
>work. I believe the problem is that the bit doesn't have enough
>thickness to center off well in material this thin. Trust me, I've
>tried it all and it comes down to this. I need something that will
>drill one hole without having to use multiple steps.
>
>I'm wondering if anyone thinks these would work?
>
>http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=95&PMT4NO=82207504&PMT4TP=*ITPD&PMITEM=79892543&PMCTLG=54
>

When I click the link I get the cover of the MSC catalog.

Thank You,
Randy

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 5:58 am
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 23, 6:31 am, Dave D <xra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> For quite a while now I have been trying to find letter size bits that
> will drill well in thin materials, such as 1/16" aluminum. It's hard
> enough to find fractional sizes, but DeWalt pilot point seem to work
> best. However, I have not been able to find a letter size that will
> work. I believe the problem is that the bit doesn't have enough
> thickness to center off well in material this thin. Trust me, I've
> tried it all and it comes down to this. I need something that will
> drill one hole without having to use multiple steps.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone thinks these would work?
>
> http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=95&PMT4NO=82207504&PMT4TP...
>
> Just hoping for an opinion before I blow money on yet another bit to
> try. It sounds like it may be designed to solve the problem though. I
> would ask the manufacturer, but I can't find a contact for Hertel.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave

Hertel was acquired by Kennametal in 1993.
http://www.kennametal.com/en-US/company_profile/history_page.jhtml
Contact information is on this page:
http://www.kennametal.com/en-US/customer_support/contact_us_main.jhtml

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:04 am
From: Jim Wilkins

I've been drilling 1/16" 6061 for decades without much trouble. I back
it with plywood, hold the metal down so it doesn't jump and use 135
degree points if available.

jsw

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TOPIC: Republican losing streak continues
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/acd15706db55f813?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 5:53 am
From: John Husvar

In article
<7efad946-998c-4cbf-90d8-ed5faa7efdc2@q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
rangerssuck <rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 23, 1:17 am, cavelamb <cavel...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Ignoramus7894 wrote:
> >
> > > As they say, there are three kinds of people, those who can count and
> > > those who cannot.
> >
> > Iggy!
> > Pay a-fuckin-tention!
> >
> > the qoute is thus...
> >
> > there are 11 kinds of people.
> > those who understand binary,
> > and those who don't.
>
> 'scuse me, that would be 10 kinds of people.

Maybe he means those who can count in binary and those who can't?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:04 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:51:57 -0600, the infamous Lewis Hartswick
<lhartswick@earthlink.net> scrawled the following:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> When the feeble minds finally accept the fact that they won't be
>> getting healthcare for free, they are gonna come un_glued_, Ig.
>> All it'll take is a simple list of what everyone in the country (well,
>> except for the 20 million illegals) who has no insurance is going to
>> have to do to be legal. My neighbor has been watching the Washington
>> Journal early mornings and she says that people continue to call in
>> thinking they're going to get free healthcare, compliments of The O.
>> When the cost of insurance sinks in and finally hits their little
>> psyches, it'll be like the 4th of July. We're in for a shitstorm,
>> dude. Mark my words.
>
>Problem is Larry, It'll never get out. The "media" will hush up
>all the un-happy bitchin that soon will be out there. :-(
> ...Lew...

You're right, Lew. But the quicker they do that, the quicker the
unwashed will begin the "process of healing."

Suppress on, media! Suppress on! Fire up the cullers, media. It's
your bed, you sleep in it. Water that tree of Liberty!

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:09 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:26:05 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:51:57 -0600, Lewis Hartswick
><lhartswick@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>> When the feeble minds finally accept the fact that they won't be
>>> getting healthcare for free, they are gonna come un_glued_, Ig.
>>> All it'll take is a simple list of what everyone in the country (well,
>>> except for the 20 million illegals) who has no insurance is going to
>>> have to do to be legal. My neighbor has been watching the Washington
>>> Journal early mornings and she says that people continue to call in
>>> thinking they're going to get free healthcare, compliments of The O.
>>> When the cost of insurance sinks in and finally hits their little
>>> psyches, it'll be like the 4th of July. We're in for a shitstorm,
>>> dude. Mark my words.
>>
>>Problem is Larry, It'll never get out. The "media" will hush up
>>all the un-happy bitchin that soon will be out there. :-(
>> ...Lew...
>
>
>Until the Leftwing Media becomes a nice fat group of targets for anyone
>with a tinsey bit of knowledge and a high power rifle, or a truck load
>of fertilizer. Im afraid its gonna change the face of Rockefeller Plaza
>and others....

I truly hope that nobody uses truck bombs here in the USA. (External)
Terrorists would be quick to take up the slack and we'd have a fine
mess here. Please pass this on to the cullers: No bombings, no
innocent loss of life, please. Liberty is best served by surgical
removal of the cancer.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:14 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:18:25 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>Being Buddhist has some advantages. I dont go to hell like you guys. I
>simply play it again.

"He hit the big REPEAT button in the sky..."

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

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TOPIC: Semi-Metal Related... Water Softeners and Pipes...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a43fdd4c494dded2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:10 am
From: Randy

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:24:57 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>>
>> If a home has hard water - well water - and a softener... But I HATE
>> softeners... Can it simply be removed?
>
>Why do you hate them?
>
>>
>> What damage is done other than the obvious "mess" in the shower and on
>> fixtures?
>>
>> The way I understand it, the danger was to old galvanized or steel pipe that
>> would literally close down. Newer copper and PVC, etc. seems to, at worst,
>> develop a light film or scale and then stop there...
>
>Hard water eats copper pipes. Yes they get a light scale, but they
>continue to corrode through and develop pinhole leaks. This process may
>take 30 years if you have type L copper, less time for the thinner type
>M. Once you start getting the pinholes, it's time to replace
>*everything* as for every leak you repair, 5 more will sprout within
>days. I replumbed an entire house for this problem, and in another 20
>years or so I expect it will need to be done again.
>
>>

SOFT water eats pipes, not hard. Water wants to have dissolved
"stuff" in it, if you remove all the "stuff" it will strip ions from
whatever source it can. IE pull copper off the pipes. I worked at
a plant that had soft water cooling loops, every piece of copper
piping on new equipment would begin to leak after just over a year in
use, we would replace it all with 304 stainless and Swagelok fittings.

You should have absolutely no salt taste in your soft water. If you
do, your water softener is not working correctly.

When I put a softener in my parents house I ran new lines to the
kitchen and bathroom faucets with hard water. Also re-ran lines to
the outside faucets so the lawn could be watered with hard water.

Have the "Culligan man" or some other water guy come out to your
house for a free water check or take a sample to a water testing lab
and see exactly what is in your water before you make any decision.

Option #2......Use the water softener on the hot water only,
(installed before the heater), you will still see some savings on
laundry and dishwasher soap.

Thank You,
Randy

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:33 am
From: "Pete C."

Randy wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:24:57 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Joe AutoDrill wrote:
> >>
> >> If a home has hard water - well water - and a softener... But I HATE
> >> softeners... Can it simply be removed?
> >
> >Why do you hate them?
> >
> >>
> >> What damage is done other than the obvious "mess" in the shower and on
> >> fixtures?
> >>
> >> The way I understand it, the danger was to old galvanized or steel pipe that
> >> would literally close down. Newer copper and PVC, etc. seems to, at worst,
> >> develop a light film or scale and then stop there...
> >
> >Hard water eats copper pipes. Yes they get a light scale, but they
> >continue to corrode through and develop pinhole leaks. This process may
> >take 30 years if you have type L copper, less time for the thinner type
> >M. Once you start getting the pinholes, it's time to replace
> >*everything* as for every leak you repair, 5 more will sprout within
> >days. I replumbed an entire house for this problem, and in another 20
> >years or so I expect it will need to be done again.
> >
> >>
>
> SOFT water eats pipes, not hard. Water wants to have dissolved
> "stuff" in it, if you remove all the "stuff" it will strip ions from
> whatever source it can. IE pull copper off the pipes. I worked at
> a plant that had soft water cooling loops, every piece of copper
> piping on new equipment would begin to leak after just over a year in
> use, we would replace it all with 304 stainless and Swagelok fittings.
>
> You should have absolutely no salt taste in your soft water. If you
> do, your water softener is not working correctly.
>
> When I put a softener in my parents house I ran new lines to the
> kitchen and bathroom faucets with hard water. Also re-ran lines to
> the outside faucets so the lawn could be watered with hard water.
>
> Have the "Culligan man" or some other water guy come out to your
> house for a free water check or take a sample to a water testing lab
> and see exactly what is in your water before you make any decision.
>
> Option #2......Use the water softener on the hot water only,
> (installed before the heater), you will still see some savings on
> laundry and dishwasher soap.
>
> Thank You,
> Randy
>
> Remove 333 from email address to reply.

No, hard water most certainly does eat up copper pipes. I've replaced
plenty of it on a well with hard water.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:36 am
From: "Pete C."

John wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:00:31 -0700, "Richard W." <raweich@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Joe AutoDrill" <autodrill@yunx.com> wrote in message
> >news:IcMon.34082$NH1.11026@newsfe14.iad...
> >> If a home has hard water - well water - and a softener... But I HATE
> >> softeners... Can it simply be removed?
> >>
> >> What damage is done other than the obvious "mess" in the shower and on
> >> fixtures?
> >>
> >> The way I understand it, the danger was to old galvanized or steel pipe
> >> that
> >> would literally close down. Newer copper and PVC, etc. seems to, at
> >> worst,
> >> develop a light film or scale and then stop there...
> >>
> >> Anything else I'm missing?
> >>
> >> The softener is in-line with ALL the water in the house... If we do keep
> >> it, I plan on removing it from almost everything except where needed. I
> >> don't want to be drinking softened water and I don't need my outdoor hose
> >> to
> >> be expensive water either...
> >>
> >> Secondly... Is there an in-line filtering system that removes the
> >> dissolved
> >> impurities in the water thus removing the need for a softener in the first
> >> place?
> >>
> >> My motto is "salt is bad!" so... There.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Joe Agro, Jr.
> >> (800) 871-5022
> >> 01.908.542.0244
> >> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
> >> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
> >> Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/
> >> Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
> >> VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill
> >>
> >> V8013-R
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Our softener uses salt to clean the filter, so there is no salt in the
> >water. We have iron and manganese plus some other stuff in our water. The
> >lime still clogs the shower head, but there is no iron. Our well wasn't
> >drilled deep enough to get below the surface water. Our neighbor drilled his
> >well about 50 feet from our well. He got water at the same depth we did, but
> >sealed the casing and went about 80 feet deeper. He got into the pure water
> >and had a well producing 35 GPM compared to our well which produces about 12
> >GPM.
> >
> >We do have lines that are not filter for watering, but you have to be
> >careful not to spray it on the house or building as it will stain them. The
> >garden doesn't seem to care one way or the other if the water is filtered or
> >not. Also if you wash a car you have to towel dry it, even with filtered
> >water because the filter doesn't remove the lime. Or you get spots and
> >streaks.
> >
> >If I had the money I would drill our well deeper to get below the surface
> >water.
> >
> >
> >Richard W.
> >
>
> I can only comment that I have owned two houses in the same
> neighborhood. Both using the same water supply. One had galvanized
> water piping and the second had plastic. The first (galvanized) house
> had so many deposits in the pipes that several faucets hardly flowed
> at all. The second house, in which we have lived in for about 20
> years, has plastic water piping and no problems with the water so far.
>
> Perhaps a more important question is what does hard water do to your
> kidneys? At least I have heard that people who live in hard water
> areas have more kidney stones.
>
> John B.

Dunno, I lived with a hard water well some 34 years with no kidney
stones.

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TOPIC: Bit OT, who's doing street view mapping besides Google?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/af7f5de0e5cb4ad6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:12 am
From: "Phil Kangas"

"Jon Anderson" <> wrote in message
>I was in Pacific Grove just south of Monterey on Friday.
>Stayed in a hotel right on the beach just yards from Lovers
>Point. Was walking out to the point with daughter and
>niece, and as we're crossing the street, a car (Prius I
>think) comes around the corner with this rather large
>appendage on the roof. There was a rotating doo-hicky
>comprised of trapezoid shaped facets of glass angled up and
>down somewhere between 5-10 degrees. I was just pointing at
>it and commenting "What the hell is THAT?" when it hits me,
>it's the Google camera car!
>
> So when I get home Sunday, I pull up that corner on Google
> street view, though I didn't really expect to find it
> updated that fast. Then I note the Google copyright notice
> dated 2009. I sorta doubted they'd be reshooting that area
> so soon so searched for images of Google camera cars. What
> I saw not only looks nothing like any pictures I found of
> Google camera cars, but I couldn't find ANY pictures of
> the rig I saw.
>
> Anyone know who else might be running around doing street
> view imaging?
> Bing is supposed to be working on something to compete,
> but I read they will use user submitted photos. So I'm
> left wondering who was taking the pics.
>
>
> Jon

Is www.vpike.com a part of google? phil

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:34 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Did you ask the driver if he'd recently had a heart
operation?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"William Wixon" <wwixon@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:TqXpn.77292$jt1.43442@newsfe01.iad...

i wonder if it's the "great cull" crew doing a survey.

b.w.

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TOPIC: Why do razor blades get dull so fast?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d0ab1ef54b638ce4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:14 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 22, 6:50 pm, "Steve Lusardi" <stevenos...@lusardi.de> wrote:
> If you use those shaving creams/foams/gels, they also help to erode the blade edge. It is very advantageous for the manufacturer
> of the blades to have a short life. Try using normal bar soap. It lubricates much better and will double blade life.
> Steve

Ivory bar soap applied with a badger brush. Hose out the razor with
the WaterPic afterwards.

jsw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 7:19 am
From: John

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:45:40 -0500, cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Joseph Gwinn wrote:
>> In article <4ba8290c.9560003@news20.forteinc.com>, notme@privacy.net (dan)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's that Lassie? You say that clarkmagnuson@gmail.com fell down the
>>> old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a
>>> rescue by Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:14:32 -0700 (PDT):
>>>
>>>> Is there some abrasive in my beard?
>>>> Is the water corroding the edge?
>>>>
>>> I've heard that if you dry them after use they last longer. I shake
>>> out my mach3 and prop it on edge. Seems to last longer.
>>
>> I find this to be true.
>>
>> I wash the blade out with hot water, dry it by smacking against the heel of my
>> palm, and store blades up, so water will pull away from the vulnerable edge.
>> This greatly extends the lifetime of the razor, which implies that corrosion of
>> the edge is the key issue.
>>
>> As for Gillette, I suspect that they are herding their users. Each year, the
>> blades get a little worse - they are cutting costs and performance by omitting
>> steps one by one, to convince you to move to the latest and greatest.
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
>
>I gave my double edged hande to a girlfriend who (was smarter than me?)
>wanted it.
>
>And found they can't be bought any more.
>
>Anybody got a spare???

I think you can still buy them in here Thailand. At least every barber
shop has the blades - they break them in half and put them in a
"straight razor" sort of handle to shave around you ears.

The AIDS scare had at least one benefit - I now get shaved with a new
blade :-)

John B.

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TOPIC: Let the great culling begin.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/aadf2d185ee7a12a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:35 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Might be his shadow?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"rangerssuck" <rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:694b1b5c-6103-4740-b93f-e3fa03351baf@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 22, 5:40 pm, "Pete C." <aux3.DO...@snet.net> wrote:
> Steve B wrote:
>
> > Looks like a big constitutional fight is brewing with
> > lots of emotions
> > ..........
>
> > Steve
>
> Looks like you're off topic again...

Didn't Steve make some big pronouncement of his New Year's
resolution
to refrain from this sort of crap?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:45 am
From: "Steve B"

"Lewis Hartswick" <lhartswick@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:dYednV6Ri-utsjXWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> rangerssuck wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 5:40 pm, "Pete C." <aux3.DO...@snet.net> wrote:
>>> Steve B wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like a big constitutional fight is brewing with lots of emotions
>>>> ..........
>>>> Steve
>>> Looks like you're off topic again...
>>
>> Didn't Steve make some big pronouncement of his New Year's resolution
>> to refrain from this sort of crap?
> BBBBUT which Steve is it? :-)
> ...lew...

I'm right here, Lew. Talk to me. Your third person presentation makes you
appear adolescent and immature.

Steve

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:41 am
From: "Steve B"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:jGSpn.249427$Hq1.155303@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>
>><off topic snipped>
>>
>>Oh yea, I've been doing quite a bit of plasma cutting, welding and
>>grinding lately, what have you done on-topic?

We have a topic? You're kidding!

Pshaw!

Steve

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:58 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:37:10 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:45:28 -0700, Larry Jaques
><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
>><aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>
>>>Steve B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
>>>> and Tyrants."
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>>Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>>
>>He's probably out casting lead as we speak. <titter>
>
>No..but Ive located a 12" bull plug

Whassat?

>and a nice old cast iron burner and
>have them partially assembled into a "rouging" pot. I snagged some 300
>lbs or more of wheel weights in the last month or so and need to do a
>meltdown, get rid of the wheel clips, flux and then cast into ingots so
>Ive got lead on hand for the upcoming shooting season.
>
>Thanks! for reminding me. Ill see what I can get done in the next day
>or two. Ill be running it off of house natural gas.

Put in your own splitter, didja?

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e2ba8fcc22c79a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:48 am
From: Frnak McKenney

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:20:59 -0400, Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <4ba68ca4$0$22544$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

[...]

>> What Dan is talking about is measuring it across oceans. It may
>> well be possible to a high degree of accuracy. And it very well
>> may tell you all kinds of useful things about the relationships
>> of ocean temperatures in certain regions to weather. It probably
>> also will tell you about a *mean* temperature trend along a
>> specific Great Circle line.

> Measuring across oceans is precisely what is done. And, acoustic
> computerized tomography gives you the voxel-by-voxel temperature
> of the ocean, not just the mean temperature of a great-circle path.

> The method resembles that used with X-rays (in CT scanners), where
> the X-ray attenuation of a very large number of independent paths
> and directions is combined mathematically to yield the 2D
> attenuation function (which we see as the image).

> Circling back to acoustics, what is measured is the transit times
> along a large number of paths through the ocean of interest.
> These transit-time measurements are combined to compute the speed
> of sound in each and every voxel, yielding the speed image. From
> this (and independent salinity measurements) one can compute
> temperature.

Not just salinity. From the Science Observer column of the
March-April 2010 issue of American Scientist, pp. 121-122:

Amplifying with Acid: More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere means a
noisier ocean

"...[CO2 absorption] also has a secondary consequence: it
decreases the ocean's ability to absorb low-frequency sound.

"Oceanographers Tatia Ilyna and Richard Zeebe at the University of
Hawaii, along with geochemist Peter Brewer of the Monterey Bay
Aquarium Research Institute in California, report in the December
20 issue of Nature Geoscience that lowering the pH of the ocean by
0.6 units could decrease underwater sound absorption by more than
60 percent."

"... Changes in pH can impact the deep ocean because at about 1
kilometer down, the properties of temperature and pressure combine
to produce a 'channel' of water in which sound can propagate for
may thousands of kilometers. Whales and other marine life make
use of this channel for long-range communication. Most human-made
noise forms at the surface, but it can reflect and refract down
into this channel as well. ..."

You may now return to your regularly-scheduled discussion, dialogue,
and/or debate. <grin>

Frank McKenney
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Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:51 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:1f94db7e-7375-4320-906f-54c8e21848f0@b30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 22, 7:47 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
> By you and what army, oh beloved fruitcake? Even with this health care
> brouhaha, he still has a positive approval rating.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

>The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday
>shows that 29% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that
>Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent
>(41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index
>rating of -12 (see trends).
>
> Dan

Cherry-pick your polls and hype up your fantasies however you wish, Dan. If
you want to know the big picture, look at the averages posted by
RealClearPolitics. That's the place for serious poll-watchers.

--
Ed Huntress

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Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:55 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

Oh, that's cool! The plastic one is work to be proud of, but not
leaving well enough alone, you do yourself better with a new design!
[Clap, clap, whistle, ...]

I can see that you're well up on the learning curve of the CAD software
<G>. A beginner would have spent HOURS making the "drawing". Or, maybe
you are a beginner & did spend hours on it (?).

To make installation "... whilst hanging upside down from a rope in a
howling gale by flashlight ..." easier, you could use something larger
than a 4-40 setscrew. They're pretty easy to lose.

I think it could be a _little_ simpler by not having the middle tooth.
I think the plastic one might need it, but not the ally one. Doesn't
hurt, though.

Nice write up, too.

Thanks for sharing,
Bob

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Date: Tues, Mar 23 2010 6:57 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> Planned Parenthood has a list of scum to put the crosshairs on:
> http://www.ppaction.org/network/hcr10fvt_targets
>
> They even call them targets!
>
> RogerN

You're a true contemporary Christian, Roger. You even have murder fantasies!

--
Ed Huntress

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