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TOPIC: Let the great culling begin.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/aadf2d185ee7a12a?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:18 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishymail.net> wrote in message
news:rp2l77-ha4.ln1@news.infowest.com...
> Looks like a big constitutional fight is brewing with lots of emotions
> ..........
>
> Steve

Planned Parenthood labels them as targets :-)

http://www.ppaction.org/network/hcr10fvt_targets

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TOPIC: Am I a fool to buy this mill/drill?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a1b543030985642c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:21 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 22, 5:25 pm, Ignoramus7894 <ignoramus7...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2010-03-22, Robert Swinney <judy...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Agree with Chris. Besides, the pix and advert copy imply it is intended only for drilling, not
> > "mill/drilling".
>
> It looks like a drill press to me with MT2 spindle.
>
> i

They claim it's "For både boring og fresing.", I didn't see what
materials it can mill, though. Steel is far more difficult than
aluminum.

MT2 isn't a big problem as long as you can buy metric collets.

The issue with the tee slots is clamping down the milling vise. If it
has lugs on the side they may be in the wrong place. Lengthwise slots
in the sides would make clamping easier.

jsw

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TOPIC: DIY surge protection...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa560b93f2504a9b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:28 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

westom wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 4:34 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > I posted links to photos of telco cards with rows of MOVs, yet he
> > claims they don't exist. He is just a brain dead troll like Cliff, and
> > The_Mangled_Toad.
>
> That is not what I said. I said those are not MOVs. MOVs have
> excessive capacitance. Telcos use a different device that does not
> have that excessive capacitance. Please read what was posted. You
> got caught lying elsewhere. So everything from you is only an attack.

I posted links to datasheets that said they were MOVs designed for
telecom service, and had some of the boards in my hands to read the part
numbers. Since that doesn't agree with your ignorant jihad, you ignored
them.

> Any protection that might work adjacent to electronics is already
> inside electronics.
>
> Informed consumers dissipate energy so that surges are not even
> inside the building.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:36 pm
From: westom

On Mar 21, 12:41 pm, sta...@prolynx.com wrote:
> As far as lightning protection, they'll do part of that, up to the
> energy rating. Which is why you need the tiered approach.

In professional papers, tiering is not about protectors. Tiering is
about the only system component that dissipates the energy. Every
protection layer is defined by that component ALWAYS required in each
protection layer - the single point earth ground. The only item that
dissipates that energy. Every protection 'tier' is defined only by
the earth ground. Any protector without earthing does not 'tiering'.

A residential 'whole house' protector is discussed. But that entire
protection "layer" is defined by what the protector connects to -
earth ground. Homeowners should also inspect their 'primary' surge
protection system. That is the other protection "layer":
http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html

Protectors that do not even claim protection in their numeric specs
(ie that Belkin) will not discuss earthing. They hope you 'assume' a
protector magically makes energy disappear. The NIST (US government
research agency) citation provided by Bud is quite blunt about what an
effective protector must do:
> You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor "arrest" it. What these
> protective devices do is neither suppress nor arrest a surge, but simply
> divert it to ground, where it can do no harm.

What happens if the protector does not make that short (ie 'less than
10 foot') connection to earth? That energy must dissipate
somewhere? Bud's IEEE citation – page 42 Figure 8 – shows where that
energy dissipates: 8000 volts destructively via nearby appliances.
Either that energy is earthed. Or that energy will hunt for earth
ground inside the building destructively via appliances. Both IEEE
and NIST make that point.

I am being kind. I have only called them ineffective. NIST is
blunter about what a protector without earthing does:
> A very important point to keep in mind is that your surge protector will work
> by diverting the surges to ground. The best surge protection in the world
> can be useless if grounding is not done properly.

See those pictures of the Belkin posted elsewhere? It even
threatened human life. And the NIST also describes plug-in protectors
are >useless<:
> ... can be useless if grounding is not done properly.

Only more responsible companies sell effective protectors. With an
always required, dedicated wire to make a short connection to earth.
Responsible companies including General Electric, Leviton, Intermatic,
Siemens, Square D, and even the Cutler-Hammer solution that sells in
Lowes and Home Depot for less than $50. In every case, an effective
protector has a wire to dissipate energy harmlessly into earth. Plug-
in protectors do not – are not part of a 'tiered' solution. Without
earthing (ie plug-in protectors), "The best surge protection in the
world can be useless if grounding is not done properly." Could they
be any blunter? Protection is always about where energy dissipates.
Each protection layer is defined by what provides protection – the
single point earth ground.

Secondary protection is earthing at the service entrance. Primary
protection is earthing by the utility. Each protection layer is about
where energy dissipates – not by some high profit box that somehow
makes energy magically disappear.

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TOPIC: Bigger shaft (tap and die guide for tailstock)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d0e6d4e9fbc496be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:32 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Denis G." wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > "Denis G." wrote:
> >
> > > I just need to protect the monitor when she throws that shoe at me! :)
> >
> > Yeah, a six" stiletto will go right through a LCD monitor. :(
>
> I knew that we would get back on topic!

Maybe you should install a sheet of bullet proof glass in front of
your monitor? ;-)

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: Would you buy a new Toyota?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/92b2cda20b50e86b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:42 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

stans4@prolynx.com wrote:
>
> As far as the design is concerned, the Germans had that whipped with
> Mercedes' double-roller chain for timing belts, a lot of older US
> engines either used a metallic silent chain or actual gear drive to
> the cams.

My '66 GTO had a double roller chain instead of a single, and the
gears were all metal.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:26 pm
From: cavelamb

Wes wrote:
> cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Interesting article about the Toyota electronics problems:
>>
>> Act of God?
>> or Act of Code?
>>
>> http://www.ien.com/ienblog.aspx?id=156482&ienUId=709981039&newslname=BLOG
>
> If they really want to know if it is an act of code, publish the code and document the
> interfaces and ask the geeks to figure things out.
>
> Wes
> --

We tend to treat code as something written (which it is)
but it acts like something mechanical (which it is not).

But the competition between manufacturers is going to keep it as trade secrets.

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:48 pm
From: Joe Pfeiffer

cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> writes:

> Wes wrote:
>> cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting article about the Toyota electronics problems:
>>>
>>> Act of God?
>>> or Act of Code?
>>>
>>> http://www.ien.com/ienblog.aspx?id=156482&ienUId=709981039&newslname=BLOG
>>
>> If they really want to know if it is an act of code, publish the code and document the
>> interfaces and ask the geeks to figure things out.
>>
>> Wes
>> --
>
>
> We tend to treat code as something written (which it is)
> but it acts like something mechanical (which it is not).
>
> But the competition between manufacturers is going to keep it as trade
> secrets.

And yet, when it comes down to it, the electronics and the code are the
*only* parts in the car that we can't take apart and look at.
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

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TOPIC: OT: CNC Paper & Plastic - Way too much time wasted
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d0fc9c7d29a91da1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:47 pm
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no> wrote in message
news:ho0b6u$v7j$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> I just installed a system with a bunch of plastic covers over paper labels
> for buttons.
>
> Hole in sheet of heavy paper for buttons. Print on paper to label button.
> Snap plastic template over assembly to protect paper label.
>
> Now my first idea was to put a marker in my little CNC mill and use a
> stick font to label each button hole. Of course the paper sheet came
> preprinted on one side, and because of dynamics can't just be turned over.
> If I turn them over I have to cut an extra hole in the sheet. Since this
> is a brand new system and equipment I would like to do a neater job than
> that for the client.
>
> I can call the manufacturer and order some blank sheets (I hope) but they
> are notoriously slow for small items like this. I was think it would be
> nice to throw a piece of linen paper on a block and cut it to fit. The
> outside dimensions are not that big of a deal. I can do that close enough
> on the paper cutter in the office, but I am not sure how I would get a
> decent cut for the button holes. Fast spinning tiny mill cutter? I don't
> think a vinyl cutter blade would do the trick as paper tends to dull
> blades fairly quickly if a not used in a sawing or semi sawing fashion.
>
> The paper is about the same thickness or weight as high quality linen
> paper. Not near as thick and heavy as a paper manilla folder.
>
> I figured I could outside cut each piece and stick it on a block of wood
> with some light photo mount, or maybe make a sandwich block, but similar
> projects in the past have met with mixed results. I've done stencils for
> spray painting on the mill before with card stock, and with plastic sheet,
> and I was never totally satisfied with the results for either one. While
> this isn't the same application it is the same type of job.
>
> Hmmm... I haven't done the sandwich block before. I think I'll give that
> a shot.

Ok, I suck at making punches. Finally I broke down and set my sandwich
assembly back up. I cut one hole, sandwiched 3 sheets of thick paper
between, and then pocketed out the hole the thickness of the paper. There
is a tiny ridge sticking up around the hole on each sheet, but over all it's
a very nice finish.. Now I am gearing up to do it en-masse. Geez-O-Peets.
At 13 minutes per hole it takes a while to mill out 25 button holes. (in my
sandwich plate, not in the paper) LOL. Atleast I figured out an easy way
to string multiple hole processes together so I can come play on the
computer while I am waiting.

I've got the pocket between the plates spaced to hold 20 sheets of the thick
linen paper. I'll do some experimenting on the 1st batch to see what I can
do to speed up the process of actually punching the sheets. I'll tell you I
better sell a bunch of these systems so I can label them for a long time to
pay back for all the time I spent. LOL.

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TOPIC: Is Sarah Palin going bald?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ea159f271de50845?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:47 pm
From: Cliff

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:07:47 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mar 21, 6:37 pm, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>> news:id8dq5pddfsscforkkn67dna6kid57g4gt@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:03:16 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
>> > <Egal@legal_egal.law>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>> >>news:monbq5dpddvk0c89s1str7nbvcv50nrmvm@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:34:17 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
>> >>> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:n1m9q5d89rngei72tf1222qi2h9d5gfan1@4ax.com...
>> >>>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:44:44 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> >>>>> "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> got double secret probation
>> >>>>> for writing:
>>
>> >>>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>news:dtp8q51dus34sm0agj2s9kb518c5tsmjhv@4ax.com...
>>
>> >>>>>>No, you must have been looking at your daddy's ass again!
>>
>> >>>>> First thing that comes to every wingnuts head, gay fantasies.
>>
>> >>>>> This one has an extra special helping of wing nut family values thrown
>> >>>>> in for good measure.
>>
>> >>>>Typical lib fag fantasy always thinking about someone else's nuts. With
>> >>>>extra ass looking thrown in for good measure.
>>
>> >>> "extra ass" .... now he's after Coulter too !!
>> >>> --
>> >>> Cliff
>>
>> >>Nah, her ass is nice and lean,
>>
>> > Thinking of Rush now?
>>
>> >>like a good conservative woman. Not like
>> >>those porker liberal swine. When I say "extra ass", think on the scale of
>> >>Too_Many_Tools' fat ugly lesbo mommies doing each other on the hood of
>> >>their
>> >>Subaru. I'm going to go throw up now.
>>
>> > Cost: Probably under US$ 1,000:
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U&feature=related
>>
>> > Palin cost over US$ 150,000 .....
>> > And who knows about your problems above.
>> > --
>> > Cliff
>>
>> Palin is a natural beauty, a gift from God. Judged by her peers and beauty
>> contest judges, not just my opinion. There isn't a computer program on Earth
>> that could transform TMT's Moms into anything worth viewing. Nor are there
>> enough doves to cover their fat lard asses with dove shit.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Laugh...laugh...laugh....cough...choke...spit.
>
>Palin a natural beauty?

To a winger, probably, after the rethug US$ 150,000 makeup job:
http://static.open.salon.com/files/lipstick_on_a_pig1221042961.jpg

>
>Laugh...laugh...laugh....fall down on the ground laughing my ass off
>funny...
>
>You have got to be kidding...or very, very stupid.

Downtown WingerVille: Where the wingers are bright (for wingers)
and the sheep are scared.

>TMT
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Why do razor blades get dull so fast?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d0ab1ef54b638ce4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:48 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"David R.Birch" wrote:
>
> When I started shaving in the '60's, I honed the double edged blades
> on glass after I was done, this usually tripled the life of the edge
> so a blade lasted 8+ shaves, and I don't have soft whiskers.
>
> One day, I put in a "new" blade and it cut like I'd been chopping cane
> with it. Seems my younger sister had borrowed it, then put it back...
>
> Much easier in the last 35+ years since I last shaved. I've lost count
> of the revolutions in shaving tech I've missed.

When I had to start shaving I would get one or two shaves before the
blade was too dull to use again. I had to shave four times a day in
basic to keep the little baldfaced, brand new D.I. happy.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 7:39 pm
From: notme@privacy.net (dan)

What's that Lassie? You say that clarkmagnuson@gmail.com fell down the
old rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a
rescue by Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:14:32 -0700 (PDT):

>Is there some abrasive in my beard?
>Is the water corroding the edge?
>
I've heard that if you dry them after use they last longer. I shake
out my mach3 and prop it on edge. Seems to last longer.

Dan H.
northshore MA.

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TOPIC: An Open Letter From Michael Moore
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4063f7e0c3819fe7?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 5:52 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 22, 7:39 pm, D Murphy <dmurf...@att.net> wrote:

>
> I'm going to save more than $6,000.00 per year once this kicks in by
> dropping my insurance. I'll happily pay the $750.00 fine, then take out
> insurance only when I get sick.
>
> It's brilliant. The insurance company can't turn me down, nor can they
> charge me more than anyone else.

Sounds like a plan.

Dan

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:01 pm
From: "ArmyOfDorkness"

"Sib9" <fool@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4ba80036$0$2369$c5fe31e7@read01.usenet4all.se...
> On 3/22/2010 7:39 PM, D Murphy wrote:
>> sittingduck<duck@spamherelots.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9D437721B297Cduckrulestheuniverse@nomail.afraid.org:
>>
>>> Thanks to last night's vote, after your cancer returns for the third
>>> time -- racking up another $200,000 in costs to keep you alive -- your
>>> insurance company will have to commit a criminal act if they even
>>> think of dropping you from their rolls.
>>
>> I'm going to save more than $6,000.00 per year once this kicks in by
>> dropping my insurance. I'll happily pay the $750.00 fine, then take out
>> insurance only when I get sick.
>>
>> It's brilliant. The insurance company can't turn me down, nor can they
>> charge me more than anyone else.
>>
>> I just hope they don't go bankrupt if I need them. Eh, who cares if they
>> do? The government will pay for it one way or the other.
>>
>> This is awesome! Better than a tax cut any day.
>>
>
> mee too

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:04 pm
From: "ArmyOfDorkness"

"D Murphy" <dmurf154@att.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9D43C7F5AB0AAdmurf154attnet@130.133.4.11...
> sittingduck <duck@spamherelots.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9D437721B297Cduckrulestheuniverse@nomail.afraid.org:
>
>> Thanks to last night's vote, after your cancer returns for the third
>> time -- racking up another $200,000 in costs to keep you alive -- your
>> insurance company will have to commit a criminal act if they even
>> think of dropping you from their rolls.
>
> I'm going to save more than $6,000.00 per year once this kicks in by
> dropping my insurance. I'll happily pay the $750.00 fine, then take out
> insurance only when I get sick.
>
> It's brilliant. The insurance company can't turn me down, nor can they
> charge me more than anyone else.
>
> I just hope they don't go bankrupt if I need them. Eh, who cares if they
> do? The government will pay for it one way or the other.
>
> This is awesome! Better than a tax cut any day.

So let's say you have a heart attack. You need immediate surgery. You'll say
"Hold on while I call my insurance agent." That is if you are conscious to
make the call.

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TOPIC: Big electric motors and little VFD's
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/465b6cc7b79a1cce?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:14 pm
From: David Lesher

Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> writes:

>> Do the VFD's have any provison to sync two together? If so, you could use
>> one on each winding set....
>NEVER, EVER, try this, unless you like BIG sparks! There are modular
>VFDs, usually in hundred HP sizes, that can be paralleled and synched
>for larger motors. otherwise, they will not tolerate this AT ALL!

Even when they say so? Note I was asking.,,,

(I used to work on low megawatt UPS's, built out of 10KW power
modules.)

--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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TOPIC: Working class
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/facb62633a2f2005?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:16 pm
From: Jessica Wabbit

On Mar 22, 7:47 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Strabo" <str...@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>
> news:B0Tpn.6142$Ek4.5249@newsfe24.iad...
>
>
>
> > Jessica Wabbit wrote:
> >> On Mar 22, 4:00 pm, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> >>> Jessica Wabbit wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 22, 10:42 am, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> >>>>> hal wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:16:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
> >>>>>> <gunnera...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is.....Obama......... 8% !!!
> >>>>>>> Yep! Thats right! Only 8% !!! ..... the least by far of the last 19
> >>>>>>> presidents!!
> >>>>>> Notice you don't provide a cite. No doubt because you got this where
> >>>>>> you get most of your shit... out of your ass..
> >>>>>>> And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run
> >>>>>>> their business?
> >>>>>>> They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> me?
> >>>>>>> How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> most successful economic system in world history... stand and talk
> >>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>> business when he's never worked for
> >>>>>>> one? ...... or about jobs when he has never really had one??!
> >>>>>> The man went to Harvard. Something you could never have done.
> >>>>> It's very difficult to get into Harvard, not because of academic
> >>>>> requirements but because acceptance is based on social and political
> >>>>> criteria. So how did Barry Soetoro get in? What was his connection?
> >>>>> And where did he get $50,000 a year?
> >>>>> Barry Soetoro was CIA sponsored at Columbia.
> >>>> I found where this comes from, and the originator is James David
> >>>> Manning, a typical paranoid-delusional crazy. Strabo, you really keep
> >>>> interesting company!
> >>> You can clear up part of this by showing us Lord Barry's passports.
>
> >>> And while you're rummaging around in the hidden documents drawer,
> >>> get his Harvard application.
>
> >>> Oh, and grab Lord Barry's birth certificate too!
>
> >> Can you make it any more plain that you are nuts?
>
> > Ignorance is no excuse. Those who support Lord Barry are going to be
> > held responsible for his actions.
>
> By you and what army, oh beloved fruitcake? Even with this health care
> brouhaha, he still has a positive approval rating.

same old fantasy where strabo and gunner stop being losers and turn
into into masters of the universe.

<shrug>

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TOPIC: OT: Patio party lighting
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c614b024aabe62e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:35 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:55:45 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
<buerste@buerste.com> scrawled the following:

>I doubt I'll be perfectly happy with the first iteration.

Yeah, yards are definitely evolutionary things, as are gardens.

>I'm sure the
>courtyards will evolve as the needs and ideas become more refined. I do
>have the sound system started, that's easy! Last year I was happy with a
>boombox MP3 player, this year I'll have good waterproof speakers hooked into
>the PVR in the family room. There I can use the cable music channels or
>whatever is on the 3TB of drives attached. I have no plans of video
>outside, we usually are able to keep ourselves amused. Thanks for the
>links, there ARE some books available as you pointed out.

Jewelcome.

>I have 20 pallets of 100 year old pavers from a building I took down at

Cool! Got pics?

>work, With these, I plan on expanding the paved areas and building a curving
>wall around one of the big trees. I know that to do it right so it doesn't
>settle weirdly, I WILL hire a professional!

Watch them closely. Done right, first excavate at least 6" deep, then
put a layer of compactible gravel and stomp it, then drape landscape
cloth over that, then add a 2" layer of sand and stomp it, then your
pavers. Fill cracks with polymorphic sand which hardens as it dries.
It ain't cheap, but done right, you won't have any broken ankles or
wrists the second year.

>Now that Obama-care is law,
>I'll have so much money that I won't know what to do with it all!

It'll be too bad about the company folding, though, when they fine you
$1M for failure to ensure that your employees all had insurance.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

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TOPIC: Crappy tools
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:39 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:47:51 -0400, the infamous Bob Engelhardt
<bobengelhardt@comcast.net> scrawled the following:

>Bill Noble wrote:
>> well, the very nice, rotary hammer that I put on ebay just sold for a
>> whole $26, so apparently there really isn't much market for these tools
>
>My condolences - I hate when that happens. I think part of it was that
>Red Head is not well known. I.e., doesn't have a reputation. So it's a
>pig-in-the-poke and heavy enough that shipping costs are significant
>($44 for where I am).

I almost bid on that but realized that I'm not drilling holes that
large. My little hammer drill can handle the 3/16" bits just fine.
Had it been a Hilti, I probably would have bid anyway. I don't know
Red Head from Adam.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:41 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:36:37 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Steve B wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
>> >> and Tyrants."
>> >>
>> >> Thomas Jefferson
>> >
>> >Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>>
>> The clock is indeed ticking. Despite what Leftists wish to believe.
>
>Ticking and off topic.
>
>>
>> I hope you are prepared for it.
>
>I'm prepared for most any contingency.
>
>>
>> And one assumes that you accept quotes from Mao, Trotsky, Lenin and Marx
>> far more than you do those of our Founders.
>
>None of the above actually.
>
>>
>> Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
>
>Wills are for people with relatives / dependents.

Pity. How about an animal rescue organization as recepient?

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 6:57 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:37:53 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>
><off topic snipped>
>
>Oh yea, I've been doing quite a bit of plasma cutting, welding and
>grinding lately, what have you done on-topic?

Got the Miller 2010 running and built a PVC pipe (1"-18") slotter up and
in production. Started a second company and Im home for a week and
cleaning out the back 40, moving Hardinge lathes around, the two "new"
mills up and running. Tommorow Ive got to rebuilt 2 Lipe RollAway bar
feeders and get them down to LA, as I sold one and traded one for a
Lagun FTV mill. One is 12', the other is a short 8 footer.

I just came into the house after grinding spacers to a consistant
thickness so I can put em on the arbor shafts of the pipe slitter. Im
only running 30-40 saw blades at a time, and having a thick or non flat
spacer really screws up the slot pattern on a 20' joint of PVC.

I think Ive ground about 200 various thickness spacers on my 618 surface
grinder (love that big big mag chuck).

Other than that..not doing all that much, the economy in California is
in the toilet, and manufacturing is dying like a Leftard 30 minutes
after the Great Cull starts.

Oh..and Ive got to get Jon Andersons right angle Bridgeport adapter
crated up along with the arbor and get it shipped up north to him.

Now that the torential rains have stopped, the ground is hard enough
that I could move the forklift and cleaned out the spare machines from
the new and improved shop yesterday and out to storage in the back 40.

Ive been in LA for the past 2 weeks taking care of customers and that
slotting and perferating shop Im partners in, was home for 5
days..rained every day I was home, so only could do stuff inside. Redid
my reloading shop benches and started organizing my ammo storage, ripped
out all my machines, respotted them, set em up and so forth. Now Im
looking for a drive belt for the Clausing 5100 15x52 lathe, because Ive
got some local oilfield work that needs machined. That pesky 7.5 hp
motor simply wouldnt run on my 5hp RPC, so installed a 10hp VFD to run
it from single phase. Shrug...lots of other stuff, which I could go
into detail about, if I thought you would give a shit. I was working in
LA for 4 weeks before that..shrug

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 7:00 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:03:08 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:

>"Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>
>><off topic snipped>
>>
>>Oh yea, I've been doing quite a bit of plasma cutting, welding and
>>grinding lately, what have you done on-topic?
>
>I'm working on making 10 .188D x .255" long brass pins with .100" of 10/32 threads on the
>end. I'm curious how deep a cut I can take to minimize my number of passes. The pins are
>360 Brass.
>
>They are cam pins for the gatling gun I'm building.
>
>I set up a long travel dial indicator on the saddle and use it for length of threading.
>I'm only using power to get the tool close to the work each pass. The cutting I'm doing
>by cranking the spindle. That clutch/brake system on my 6903 is pretty handy.
>
>I'm also damn glad I built the tooling to run 5c collets.
>
>Now a bit of OT. November is when the culling takes place. At the ballot box. I'm not
>betting on any specific outcome.
>
>So how deep a cut can I take for each threading pass in brass? Never threaded brass
>before.
>
>Wes

Frankly..Id use threading die on something that small, unless I fired up
my OmniTurn CNC lathe (out back), and then turned the die around and
used the small end to butt the thread to the end of the brass threaded
area. But thats just me. Brass threads nicely with dies and its fast.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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