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TOPIC: Westec Cruising 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b1ee9ba1685df310?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:06 am
From: "\"D\""

On Mar 25, 7:39 am, Cross-Slide <3...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 9:03 am, "\"D\"" <reidmach...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 10:45 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> > wrote:
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> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 05:06:50 -0700 (PDT), "bottl...@earthlink.net"
>
> > > <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >Went to Westec Tuesday. It was held in the South Hall just like the
> > > >2009 Westec.
>
> > > Any spoor of jb?
> > > Greasy spot on the floor?
> > > --
> > > Cliff
>
> > Eerily quiet in the hall, only people making noise were HAAS, there
> > didnt seem to be as much excitement as in years past.
> > I liked the vise, could see it in use on a 4th axis as a "sideways"
> > vise, eg: clamping in "Y" direction, Iv'e had many an occaision to use
> > one like that!!
> > I did see some empty pizza boxes around the cad-cam area, wasnt sure
> > if it was JB's doing, or someone just having fun with an old story.
> > lol

> > "D"
>
> It's been over a month since he has gnawed through the restraints and
> drooled on a keyboard.
> Tell us about the vise! Is it a Haas, or someone else?
> I've always wanted a vise to hold parts "sideways" . Ferinstance, a
> long thing part with slits in it, a vise to clamp down on it from the
> top, and run a slitting saw through the part.
> Something like that?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

its the vise Bottle referred to in his post
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://tinyurl.com/yjyetde&usg=AFQjCNGS1acqhMLlt28kqdvYWh4tOEukQg

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TOPIC: Rush to flee US
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/589453ba81b739ca?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:08 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:50:57 -0500, the infamous "Martin H. Eastburn"
<lionslair@consolidated.net> scrawled the following:

>Hedge funds and day traders - inventions of money people and voted
>by congress to give them permission stole our money.
>
>Hedge funds could sell/buy after and before market times. e.g.
>if Europe or Asia did this or that - they could cover their behinds
>and bet on the come. e.g. when profit was to be made - they got
>their big slice first. They also dumped stock without others knowing
>and got close price not open (their crashed) value.

Yeah, there are some greaseballs in the financial industry.

>Don't blame a President when congress passes 1000 page laws that
>no one knows what is in them - until they decide later.....

You don't blame the ONLY person who had enough clout to _force_ them
to do this, the one who _publicly_ forced the issue? Why not?

And this time, it's was a 3,000+ page document they passed without
reading or understanding it in the slightest.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:44 am
From: Mark Rand

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:17:54 -0400, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
wrote:

>
>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
>news:9_ydna6YMbog-zTWnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>

>>
>> Universal health care is one thing, no other nation has the Planned
>> Parenthood Obamacare package. The bill the majority was against but Obama
>> and the Democrat politicians aren't there to represent the people, they
>> are there for themselves.
>
>Have you read the relevant parts and the law? Or are you listening to the
>wackos?

Actually, civilized countries, such as the UK, do have abortion paid for by
the state funded healthcare system. Only caveats are that it must be early
enough and it must be medically necessary. Morning-after pill, OTOH, is
available at accident & emergency wards.

Mark Rand
RTFM

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TOPIC: Holdnig endmills in Morse tapered holders Re: Am I a fool to buy this
mill/drill?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e9a4f5f7f431a335?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:10 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 25, 12:30 pm, John Martin <jmartin...@aol.com> wrote:
> ...
> The oldtimers used a ball of lead or a lead hammer to seat the cutters
> in the taper. Much of the time, the cutters had straight flutes
> rather than helical ones. The straight flutes bang harder in the cut,
> but have less tendency to pull out of the taper.
> ...
> John Martin

The batch I got from Wholesale Tool almost all have spiral flutes
either like modern end mills or finer ones like very old cutters. Most
have large center holes in both ends which make sharpening the flutes
lengthwise easy, but plunging in for a pocket more difficult. One has
no cutting edges at all on the end.

jsw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:07 am
From: john

Ignoramus30639 wrote:
> On 2010-03-25, John Martin<jmartin957@aol.com> wrote:
>> The oldtimers used a ball of lead or a lead hammer to seat the cutters
>> in the taper. Much of the time, the cutters had straight flutes
>> rather than helical ones. The straight flutes bang harder in the cut,
>> but have less tendency to pull out of the taper.
>
> A big reason why I like selling industrial stuff, is that I like going
> to factories. In any case, I have never seen a milling machine that
> would take those Morse 5 tools. (not at that factory either)
>
> Would anyone know of any such machine, that I can google.
>
>> R8 collets are lousy at holding end mills.
>
> not my experience.
>
>> Probably the best are the TG series. I have TG100 collet chucks for
>> my 40 taper horizontal mill. Pretty tough to pull an end mill out
>> of those - they weren't named TG (Tremendous Grip) for nothing.
>> Even safer are the TGNP (No Pull) collets. These are the same as
>> the regular TG collets, but have a moveable button in one side. You
>> place an end mill with a Weldon shank in the collet (already in the
>> collet nut), push the button into the Weldon flat, and then screw
>> the nut onto the collet holder. The walls of the collet holder keep
>> the button pushed into the Weldon flat, and there is no way the end
>> mill can pull out. You can't use the TGNP collets on anything that
>> doesn't have the flat, though.
>>
>> Usually, I use the end mill holders. It's interesting to note that
>> the setscrews in the good ones match the Weldon flats perfectly - they
>> hit the sides of the flat just as they hit the bottom.
>
> That seems like a smart system, yes.
>
> i

Almost all the older manual larger equipment was equipped with tapered
spindles. When you put the morse cutter in the spindle you use what we
called a banana pin in the slot that lined up with the slot on the tool
and tapped it in tight. The pin would lock the tool into the spindle.
The pin actually looked like an extractor that you use to remove morse
tapers but it was curved like a banana.

John

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TOPIC: Bob's Homemade Paper Cutter
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a4e575edc892924d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:21 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no> wrote in message
news:hoevci$apb$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TXyDjdfrX4
>
> It's a run what you brung kinda project. Took 6.5 hours to mill the top
> plate. Only took about 2 to make the bottom plate. It takes 28 minutes
> per run to cut ten sheets plus a sacrificial one. I jacked up the speed
> and cut them at about 17 minutes, but the quality went to heck.
>
> Obvious a vinyl plotter would have been better and just feed it some
> velum, but this works and provides a really professional result.
>
> ... and I have this machine. LOL.

Just FYI, I was also experimenting with making easily rough truing fixtures.
The bottom plate squares to the table with a lip on the bottom each time I
reattach it to the table. Then I just need to find my center and I am good
to go. The top plate is also pretty consistent, but I made the screw holes
to big. If I do another one, I'll go for very snug fitting screw holes and
taper the top of the threaded hole on the bottom plate for faster alignment.
I might even go so far as to taper the top of the pocket for the bottom
plate. Get it close and snug up the screws for self alignment of the top
plate to the bottom plate. It does that now, but the pocket and relief are
square. Deeper pocket and taller relief would also have helped. If I'd had
a piece of half for the bottom I would have done it that way. With the .375
I was paranoid about not having enough thickness to correct for mistakes.
LOL.

My secondary goal was also to learn to make a fixture plate for the table
that would have a self truing fence for quick square alignment. A short
fence on both top and bottom and a bunch of threaded holes for cams and
clamps so I could very quickly square a work piece to my cutting planes.
Now I just need to order some 1/2 or 3/4 plate to make it.

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TOPIC: fun with your tractor
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8b925e9e3238029e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:31 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 25, 1:06 pm, "Denis G." <guill...@gis.net> wrote:
> ...
>
> Depends. That's what I'd be wearing!
About 300 layers thick.

I get dizzy just looking down out of those old bell towers:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1337/1412572841_53ea11c8ca.jpg?v=0
http://www.bistro-catering-muenchen.de/files/pauluskirche_muenchen.jpg

Here's where they did it, despite the Italian music:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathaus,_Vienna

jsw

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:31 am
From: Tim Wescott

Jim Wilkins wrote:
> On Mar 24, 11:16 pm, "Bill Noble" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RobaJKGMMiE
>>
>> --
>> Bill -www.wbnoble.com
>
> Amazing!
>
> Rupert didn't even wear a helmet.
>
> The announcer says "Don't do this at home."
>
> jsw
>
Too high for a helmet to make much difference, except at the start.

Too low for a parachute.

Daredevil machine operators -- it's certainly an interesting new niche!

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:44 am
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 24, 11:16 pm, "Bill Noble" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RobaJKGMMiE
>
> --
> Bill -www.wbnoble.com

Remarkable. The operator even looks bored after the first few minutes.
Who the heck thinks this stuff up?

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 329
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1132fdc41582b35f?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:33 am
From: whit3rd

1890: Looks like a sweep-style (ice?) scraper.
A manual predecessor of the Zamboni?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:07 pm
From: J Burns

Rob H. wrote:
> A new set has been added to the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1890: How about planing a grove through high spots on a floor along a
baseboard? Then a strip of narrow molding would seal out drafts and
bugs, but you wouldn't have to plane the whole floor.

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:39 am
From: Beryl

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Pretty good synopsis.
>
> Of course you left out those that have nothing left to lose. Aging
> veterans, those living in their cars because of foreclosure and so
> forth.
>
> Id estimate 10 million people will be killing Leftwingers.
>
> Shrug
>
> Gunner

Local residents asked the Southern Pacific Railroad if the station could
be named Moro when the rails arrived about 1900.
Instead, the railroad directed the station be called Moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft,_California

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:15 am
From: Hawke

> Local residents asked the Southern Pacific Railroad if the station could
> be named Moro when the rails arrived about 1900.
> Instead, the railroad directed the station be called Moron.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft,_California

Perfect name. You have to be a Moron to live in Taft/Moron. Gunner
proves that point as well as anything possibly could. But if you were
going by him it's a toss up as to whether the town should be named Liar
instead.

Hawke

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TOPIC: Some CAD/CAM history
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fe8dd334dae30f96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:39 am
From: Cliff

http://www.cadhistory.net/chapters/12_Computervision.pdf

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TOPIC: DIY surge protection...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa560b93f2504a9b?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:43 am
From: "Twayne"

In
news:0d99b258-a457-4540-bbe9-8f1bb17b41e3@q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com,
westom <westom1@gmail.com> typed:
> On Mar 23, 6:05 pm, Doug White <gwh...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> The unit has two LEDs to indicate the condition of the
>> device. I am goign to call Leviton support tomorrow to
>> try to get more info. They don't have teh
>> mnaul/instructions on-line.
>
> Those lights only report a failure that must not happen
> if the protector is properly sized. Normal failure mode
> for any protector means it only degrades. Those lights do
> not report that normal failure mode.
>
> For most any location, a 50,000 amp protector will last
> at least ten years - in most cases many decades longer. If
> your neighborhood has a high number of failures, then a
> 100,000 amp protector will exponentially increase that
> protector life expectancy. And will significantly decrease
> its clamping voltages.
>
> Of course, a most critical part is the only part that
> actually provides protection. That is the earth ground.
> Every protection layer is defined by the only 'system'
> component that provides protection. Earth ground. How to
> make that 'whole house' protector more effective? Upgrade
> the earthing. Every protector is only as effective as its
> earth ground. Single point earthing with a connection as
> short as possible, no sharp wire bends, ground wire
> separated from other non-grounding wires, wire not inside
> metallic conduit, etc. All essential to permit a protector
> to earth direct lightning strikes without damage even to
> the protector.

Wow; that's quite a mess of unverifiable and misleading
misinformation! Earth ground is NOT the most critical
protection object. It isn't even necessary for protection from
longitudinal surges, in fact. This is a mess of guesses with
an attempt to hopefully sound like you know what you're
talking about, but you don't.

Beware that poster's advice.

HTH,

Twayne`

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TOPIC: Type "J" bushing and Aloris AXA-104
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a213ba880321ed6f?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 10:45 am
From: Louis Ohland

Found that the set screws in my AXA-104 boring bar holder do not
match the two holes in the type J bushing. A bit of mill work to alter
the rear hole and extend it to the front. Next time I'll get the long
slot model.

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TOPIC: If George Bush........
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ee503716cb3ad0d5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:21 am
From: Hawke

> I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
> illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
> the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
> resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
> children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
> (currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.
>
> This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
> a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
> a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
> additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
> treatment that you receive.
>
> But everything is roses?
>
> John B.

Everything isn't roses in the U.S. that's for sure. But for the first
time in years at least we are starting to move in the right direction
again. We are now starting to make some of the big changes that we need
to make to improve. Addressing our health care problems is a good first
step. Do we have a long way to go to get back to where we should be?
That's a big affirmative. But we're still a hell of a long way from
Thailand.

Hawke

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:49 am
From: Hawke

>> You seem to be the one who can't do the math on healthcare. Every single
>> country that has gone to a universal system spends about half what we do
>> and covers everyone. How come it doesn't add up to you that it'll be the
>> same here? Or can they do that in every other country but we can't?
> ***********************************
> Why do you think free healthcare is a right? Why can't you just buy
> insurance? Why do I have to buy you insurance and every other
> cheese-checker and illegal import?
> *************************************

It's amazing that you can actually have a business when you can't even
read and understand English. Your questions show you didn't understand a
word of the paragraph I wrote. I said every other industrial country
spends half what we do on health care and covers everyone and why can't
we. You answer by saying I think healthcare is a right, which I don't.
You also don't seem to know even the basics of how a country works. It's
like this, people elect a government to do what the country wants done.
This country wants all it's people to have basic health care no matter
what. The government collects taxes to pay for what the citizens told
them they want, whether it's roads, sewers, police, armies, or health
insurance. You have to pay your share for what the country decided it
needs. That's what happened. It's called democracy. You pay whether you
get a benefit or not. I have no kids but I pay for schools anyway. You
have to pay for some people who can't afford insurance. Get it?

>> You're proof that having a business doesn't mean you know much about
>> business. Why don't you small businessmen hire more workers? Could it be
>> because you don't have enough business to need more workers? If you had a
>> lot more business you would have to hire more. So the reason you aren't
>> hiring is simple, you don't have enough customers.
> **************************************
>
> You know nothing about business or manufacturing. I know "profit" is a
> dirty word for you but who's going to invest with no profit? I'm not
> obligated to operate with a loss. So, we continue to increase automation
> and import more materials and goods thus keeping domestic employees at a
> minimum, they are too expensive and the libtards have made them MORE
> expensive with no end in sight. Until you guys take over ALL business (and
> ruin it), we will find ways to control costs...thus, high unemployment. You
> also think that the US is the only market for me and other small businesses,
> the rest of the world consumes way more than the US and many countries are
> much more friendly to business, they seem to value wealth creation where the
> US punishes it. I have a significant percentage of sales overseas and could
> easily move my operation anywhere I like. My Board of Directors have been
> discussing this for years. Talk to any manufacturer, they will say the
> EXACT same thing. Why are you too simple minded to understand that? Why am
> I arguing with you, your perception is limited to your liberal talking
> points and you have no idea how the real world works.

First off you don't have a clue as to what I know about business. You
think business is complicated? You think you are so much smarter than I
am that you can understand how to make a product and sell it for a
profit but I can't, is that right? You are grossly overestimating your
intelligence. Any kid who opens a lemonade stand understands how to make
a profit. So you're not the repository of information the rest of us
don't have.
In addition, you just avoid anything you don't want to face. Take your
automation argument. You won't hire because you just automate instead of
hiring workers. That's fine only for a company that is in the
manufacturing business. Other businesses need more customers to increase
their business. Can you increase business without more customers? Not
much if you have to depend on a limited supply of customers. I'm talking
about business in general not your specific one. American businesses
depend on American customers to buy their products and services. When
those customers are broke the businesses fail too. Bush created a
disaster that took trillions from the American public. That's not an
opinion. It's a fact. Without the money to buy things business suffers.
70% of the American economy is based on consumer spending. When that
base is eroded by loss of a tremendous amount of wealth it hurts
business just as much. But you can talk about your company and ignore
all that like it isn't the truth. You're good at avoiding the truth.

>> It's going to take many years for Americans to regain anywhere near the
>> wealth they lost due to the malfeasance of the republicans.
>
> Who is going to create these jobs? Do you even have a CLUE as to how wealth
> IS created? Tell me, I need a good laugh.

It's not going to be big businesses. I can tell you that. They haven't
created jobs in years. The jobs will be created by individuals starting
new businesses and it will be businesses that partner with the
government to get a start in new industries that are just getting going.
You seem to think you know some secret about how wealth is created. I
would love to hear it. I can guarantee it won't be something I don't
already know. But it'll probably be some bullshit about the wealthy
creating the jobs. One thing is for sure. It won't be entrepreneurs like
you though will it? You just told us you won't hire anybody and will
just automate. Except maybe for make work jobs for a dufus like Gunner.

Hawke

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TOPIC: Would you buy a new Toyota?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/92b2cda20b50e86b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:24 am
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:50:01 -0700 (PDT), "dcaster@krl.org"
<dcaster@krl.org> wrote:

>On Mar 24, 4:00 pm, Don Foreman <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote
>
>>
>> Both of my Toyotas came with ignition switches.
>
>Ah. I expect that they all do, but if you shut off the ignition do
>they also lock the steering wheel. For some reason I have the
>impression that they locked the steering.
>
> Dan
Not unless the gearshift is in park and/or the key is removed - al
least for the last 5 or more years.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:26 am
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:07:11 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
<pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

>Ted Frater <ted.frater@virgin.net> writes:
>
>> Concerend Citizen wrote:
>>> On Mar 21, 10:57 pm, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>>>> Serious question. I could probably get a sweet deal. My local Honda dealer
>>>> says people are trading them in faster than they can handle even 2010's.
>>>
>>> No. Too expensive.
>>>
>>> I'd buy a used one.
>>
>> To answer the headline question,
>> no,
>> why,?
>> you cannot have the smallest chance of a glitch that makes the car go
>> when you want it to stop.
>> Its called primary structure.
>> Just because it can be done by computer doesnt mean it should be,
>> when simpler and 100% fail safe solutions are and have been available.
>> Id go so far to say I would not have one even if it was given to me
>> for free.
>> In the aviation world fly by wire is at the minimum duplicated.
>> On the Peugeot 305 1984, which I did 250,000 miles, over 25 yrs
>> before retiring it due to body rot, the throttle pedal had its own
>> return spring, the bosch injection pump als has its own return spring,
>> the 2 connected together with a simple stainless bowden cable inside a
>> teflon sleeved cover.
>> Never ever wore out , and you could always see it .
>
>But, if you can believe Toyota's explanation, the accelerator problems
>are mechanical -- getting stuck under floor mats, and a bearing getting
>stuck. I'm not sure that I believe Toyota, but I do have memories of
>riding in an old Chevy on the freeway while the driver was reaching down
>to pull the gas pedal off the floor. So your old Peugeot may not have
>had a mechanical throttle failure, but it did happen.
>
>> No ,toyota has to pay the price of trying to be too clever and
>> letting the eye off the ball.
>> Ted.
>>
>>
I rember the mechanical injection Peugeot. Pretty well had to retune
it every time the weather changed if you wanted either best efficiency
OR pest power. (at least on the 404)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:28 am
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:38:41 -0500, Comrade technomaNge
<piracy@microsoft.com> wrote:

>dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 1:27 am, Ted Frater <ted.fra...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I will take all the free ones in a heart beat.
>>
>
>If you need some extra parking spots, I've got room for
>up to 8.
>
>I'd take a Toyota over any brand except perhaps Honda.
>
>My stepson's the current owner of our 94 Camry.
>
>
>
>Comrade technomaNge
I'd even drive a free Chrysler.
Couldn't find a free Toyota or Honda - and at $5000 for the 5 year old
PT I'm driving now, it was about as close as I could findto "free"

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TOPIC: Republican losing streak continues
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:27 am
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 25, 1:23 am, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> "rangerssuck" <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:32fc54fa-0339-4cb4-b62b-ec26ee9f54ed@19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 24, 6:46 am, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
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>
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> > "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >news:61cc1381-1633-4588-ae7d-944fdf7f6d95@q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 22, 5:03 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:05 -0500, Ignoramus7894
>
> > > <ignoramus7...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid> wrote:
> > > >My own opinion, which is worth what you pay for it, it that this
> > > >legislative victory is also a political victory for Democrats, for two
> > > >reasons.
>
> > > >1. This is a more minor reason, but passage of this law removes the
> > > >factor of annoyance about uncertainty in the minds of voters and also
> > > >shows that Democrats are capable of accomplishing a large legislative
> > > >change. Just because the uncertainty is over, causes some relief in
> > > >the minds of voters and that is a favorable factor.
>
> > > >More briefly, now we cannot say that "Obama administration
> > > >accomplished nothing".
>
> > > >2. There is a large constituency of people, like parents of young
> > > >adults lacking coverage, people with substandard health insurance
> > > >policies, and so on, who would eventually realize the benefits of this
> > > >change. When they do, they will, presumably, support its
> > > >sponsors.
>
> > > >Also, people like me, who have health insurance, but realize that they
> > > >would likely lose it when they *really* need it, would also be
> > > >favorably inclined towards it.
>
> > > >3. The people negatively affected are those young healthy well paid
> > > >people who have to shoulder some of the costs. While some of them
> > > >might realize that one day they may become old and unhealthy and not
> > > >so well paid, even if they do not, extra taxes will be a drop in the
> > > >bucket and not a hot button issue like gun control.
>
> > > >The healthcare reform has every potential of becoming a sacred
> > > >political cow, like Medicare, and create a pro-Democrat constituency
> > > >where none previously existed.
>
> > > >Aside from elections, here's one more point that I want to make.
>
> > > >4. As Warren Buffett pointed out, our health care costs are 14-16% of
> > > >GDP and are much higher than for other industrialized nations, which
> > > >badly affects our competitive standing. The healthcare law has some
> > > >chances of reducing that percentage.
>
> > > >i
>
> > > Oh hell yes.
>
> > > And then those that are forced to buy insurance will simply kill
> > > Leftwing Extremists that have been unconstitutionaly driven to force
> > > others to pay for someone elses insurance.
>
> > > But hey...Leftwingers are going to be killed in hummm about 2 yrs, give
> > > or take a little bit..so its a moot issue.
>
> > > "First Law of Leftist Debate
> > > The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> > > that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> > > more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> > > losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> > > homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> > > This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> > > race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> > > the subject." Grey Ghost- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > /
> > /Are you saying that President Obama is going to be killed within 2
> > /years?
> > /
> > /Have you presented your evidence to the Secret Service?
> > /
> > /They would be very interested in knowing that you have guns too.
> > /
> > /TMT
>
> > I was hoping he would be assassinated before signing the Planned
> > Parenthood
> > health care abortion bill. But according to the good book, liberals would
> > prevail, check, homosexuality would be rampant, check, and in the end God
> > will come back and put them all in their place, hell, though his arms are
> > open and willing to accept whoever repents and comes to him.
>
> > RogerN
>
> \
> \Still waiting for you to point out the exact wording in the bill that
> \funds abortions.
> \
>
> I don't have the bill but here's something from a eMail I got from Planned
> Parenthood and it confirms what I have heard from ACLJ.ORG . I sent a
> "Thank you" letter to my Democrat representative from the Planned Parenthood
> link except I changed the content of my letter :-)
>
> "Dear Roger,
>
> Thank you for sending a message to your representative.
>
> This truly is a historic moment for the American people. Thanks
> to supporters like you, Congress passed a health care reform
> bill that will extend coverage to tens of millions of women and
> families, and we were able to keep the Stupak abortion ban out
> of the final legislation!
>
> ...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Cecile Richards, President
> Planned Parenthood Federation of America"

And still, all you have is hearsay. Yes, the "Stupack abortion ban"
was kept out of the bill, but only because there was absolutely no
need for it in the first place, as this bill does not fund abortions.
But you already knew that.

You've been duped by the right wingers, who have taken your religious
beliefs and played them against your sense of right and wrong.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:33 am
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:14:03 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>stu wrote:
>>
>> wow I hadn't thought about false triggering at $60US a go. Is there a "test"
>> function?
>
>More than that, $60 replacement Nany cartridge, plus $60-$120
>replacement ruined saw blade.
I have neve seen the aluminum shoe damage a blade - but $60 won't
buy the replacement part up here.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 11:36 am
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:30:18 -0500, Ned Simmons <news@nedsim.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:05:43 -0500, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>stryped wrote:
>>> On Mar 24, 9:16 am, Randy <rbraun...@enter.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT), stryped <stryp...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have available a silver 2006 f-150 4 door short bed for 7,000. It is
>>>>> a leased vehicle for a company that my dad works at and has 136,000
>
>>
>>If that were local to me, I'd be on it like a duck on a June bug!
>>
>>I bought my current Ford truck with 192K miles on it, for $4500.
>>Now at 223K (?) and still runs like new.
>
>If you don't mind an older truck, I'd hold out for something cheaper.
>I paid $4200 for a 12 year old F250 with 79K, no problems and not a
>speck of rust.
He's going to haul his family around with it - finding GOOD older
trucks at a reasonable cost in about 75% of North America is like
finding a needle in a haystack.
Either they've had the snot driven out of them by some kid, they've
had the tail worked off of them or beat to heck as a working truck,
they've been abused and neglected, or they've rusted away.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:04 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:05:11 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
> <deserttraveler@dishymail.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>Megyn Kelly .................... melt ..........................
>
> Ooh, no kidding! http://fwd4.me/6Kg and http://fwd4.me/6Ku
> Love that red dress.

She'd make burlap look good. I do not think I have been infatuated with a
woman in my life like I am with her. AND, she has a brain!

Steve

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