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TOPIC: Insurance claim....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6a2e038156446545?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 8:51 pm
From: "Steve W."

Existential Angst wrote:
> Awl --
>
> As some of you may know, the NY, NJ area got clobbered by a windstorm last
> week (75+ mph), after quite a snow storm a couple of weeks before. Damage
> was extensive, thousands of trees blown down, some people without
> electricity for a week. Imagine if the trees were fully leaved in the
> summer....
>
> So the insurance adjuster finally came today, and just left, after **3
> hours**, doing a very detailed survey, inside and out -- much more detailed
> than the roofing companies that came out -- and left me with a pile of
> papers and a check, for about $10K, about half of that for branch damage to
> the slate roof, the rest for inside water damage, A/C damage, other stuff.
>
> The Q is:
>
> What if the contractor prices come in, and exceed the insurance company
> estimates?
> What happens if damage is later encountered that the adjuster didn't see?
> Recourse? How to handle? War stories??
>
> As a DIY-er, I don't know much about "real" prices, but the wife is already
> pissed, thinks it's way too low.
> I guess it's reasonable to assume that the insurance company bias is to
> lowball stuff.
>
> And, I won't be DIY'ing most of this, that's f'sure, so any lowballing could
> really hurt.
>
> Appreciate all input.
>

Slate roof = BIG MONEY to repair because of the color (can be difficult
to match slate depending on where it was quarried) and difficulty of
working with it.
Water damage under it is also not good because of the weight of the slate.

I would say get two-3 contractors in who DO slate roofs and see what
they come up with for prices.

--
Steve W.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:01 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:22:07 -0500, the infamous Wes
<clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:

>"Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>So the insurance adjuster finally came today, and just left, after **3
>>hours**, doing a very detailed survey, inside and out -- much more detailed
>>than the roofing companies that came out -- and left me with a pile of
>>papers and a check, for about $10K, about half of that for branch damage to
>>the slate roof, the rest for inside water damage, A/C damage, other stuff.
>
>How long can you hold off repairs? Right now, contractors are in a buyers market as to
>their services.
>
>I mention that since the current rates might not match your adjustors programmed rates.
>
>If it does, holding off for a while, if you can, might put a few bucks in your pocket.
>
>As far as the check, I'd not cash it until you have a repair bill to pay. It isn't your
>money in a sense and it avoids any issues where cashing the check is acceptance of a
>settlement.

First, why is nobody telling him to get the work done and refund the
overage to his insurance company? Isn't that the proper thing to do?
Don't you want them to be around the next time you need them? <shrug>

Second, with a buyer's market, he'll get lower bids already. If he
works fast, maybe that contractor will be able to stay in business.
I've been lucky doing the smaller jobs I do because I've maintained a
decent workflow. Homebuilders are eating the proverbial caca.

Third, how is he going to give a contractor a downpayment for the
work? I demand all material costs and a bit of labor before starting.
If you aren't happy with that, go to another (probably higher) bidder.
If it's a primarily labor-intensive job, I can do with 25% down. With
my repeat clients, I'm more comfortable with a smaller down, but they
usually insist. Works for me!

Food for thought?

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

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TOPIC: Another Conservative Gun Crazy Coward Does His Family In
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e1ac52d06178d36d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:01 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Ron M" <strmbrgr2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fbc8d0eb-4d8a-491d-ab99-7e8c5f0102be@q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 31, 9:23 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 31, 2:36 pm, "RM v2.0" <B...@spamsux.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Where is his ideology mentioned?
>>
>> Check the local papers...he was a conservative gunnut.
>>
>> TMT
>
> Checked. Nothing about his political leanings. You lose again. Unless
> you know of some obscure paper that has this little tidbit. Now I
> await the insults about my lack of internet prowess. Or you could just
> post the link where they state his political views. Anyone want to
> make a bet on him not posting the link proving his statement?

Another Obama voter with a gun and another failed suicide.

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:00 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BB4058F.3D6EB49@earthlink.net...
>
> Steve B wrote:
>>
>> >>First off, I doubt if most people agree with you about Obama's
>> >>"arrogance."
>>
>> When a man says, "I'll take the same health care as the regular citizen
>> gets", and then when asked why he didn't, he says, "Because I'm the
>> president", I'd say that is arrogant.
>
>
> What do you expect from someone who needs a Teleprompter to remember
> what day it is?
>
>
> --
> Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

I expect absolutely nothing relevant from the man. I am never disappointed.

Steve

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:12 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:26:43 -0700, "Steve B"
<deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote:

>
>"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote
>
> I've no problem with being a responsible citizen and
>> paying for essential and some non-essential but beneficial(parks, etc)
>> governmental functions and services, but small government can do that,
>> big government sucks much harder at the public teat.
>
>Is it me, or have parks, libraries, public buildings, and anything that has
>to do with government gone over the top with architecture? Stainless steel
>this and that, sculpture, just very expensive things where plain would last
>as long, could be done in an attractive manner, and cost one hell of a lot
>less. And every project runs seriously over budget, with the contractor
>friend of a politician ending up getting paid in full for all the over runs.
>
>I was born in 1948. The schools, libraries, and public buildings I remember
>from my childhood and early life were functional buildings that still had
>life in them when bulldozed. Then fancy ornate facades put up. Even on the
>highways, we have expensive art bas relief symbols that have to be painted
>regularly because of taggers.
>
>I love to see parks and public facilities that all can enjoy that were paid
>for by taxpayer's dollars. Don't get me wrong. But, the cost of
>construction only benefits the contractors who walk away with a bundle at
>the end of the job, even if they run 400% over budget.
>
>Steve

In Minneapolis, they're closing libraries and certainly not building
new ones. Some of the streets and roads are starting to look like
moonscapes, riddled with big potholes. Some roadside rest stops will
be closed this summer to avoid the cost of maintenance.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:29 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Steve B wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:4BB4058F.3D6EB49@earthlink.net...
> >
> > Steve B wrote:
> >>
> >> >>First off, I doubt if most people agree with you about Obama's
> >> >>"arrogance."
> >>
> >> When a man says, "I'll take the same health care as the regular citizen
> >> gets", and then when asked why he didn't, he says, "Because I'm the
> >> president", I'd say that is arrogant.
> >
> >
> > What do you expect from someone who needs a Teleprompter to remember
> > what day it is?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
>
> I expect absolutely nothing relevant from the man. I am never disappointed.

I have to wonder if they have to tell him to breath, when he's
reading the Teleprompter?

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: I brought home another toy today
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7909885201f00459?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:02 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BB4086D.82AB400A@earthlink.net...
>
> I picked up a FREE 60 gal, 2.3 HP 240 Volt Husky air compressor. It's
> only a couple years old, but the business no longer needed it. the
> building they just bought has two large three phase compressors that
> look to be 5 HP or larger. They are going to sell a similar Campbell
> Hausfeld unit and they have a three phase compressor that needs rebuilt,
> they are going to give away or scrap.
>
>
> --
> Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

I used to like Husky tools. Until I bought a power washer that died after
three uses, and no returns. So, in my opinion, Husky is shit. Although
free makes it slightly more palatable.

Steve

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:27 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Steve B wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:4BB4086D.82AB400A@earthlink.net...
> >
> > I picked up a FREE 60 gal, 2.3 HP 240 Volt Husky air compressor. It's
> > only a couple years old, but the business no longer needed it. the
> > building they just bought has two large three phase compressors that
> > look to be 5 HP or larger. They are going to sell a similar Campbell
> > Hausfeld unit and they have a three phase compressor that needs rebuilt,
> > they are going to give away or scrap.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
>
> I used to like Husky tools. Until I bought a power washer that died after
> three uses, and no returns. So, in my opinion, Husky is shit. Although
> free makes it slightly more palatable.

They are made by Campbell Hausfeld and private branded for Home
Depot.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: Its alive!!! 1943 Hobart gasoline welder...update
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a21a530dc9931681?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 9:11 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:55:27 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasWelder#
>
>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasWelder#5454915299718135618
>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasWelder#5454915280034888082

Nada.

>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasolineWelder#5454915264015202514

Ah, the pics! What's with the bubblegum in pic 5? Are your arms all
UVed tonight? I saw bare armed welding in there. <tsk tsk tsk>
Hey! What's that _green_ stuff in front of your house? It wasn't
there in July. ;)

>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasWelder#5454915330663814994
>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasWelder#5454915326046218002

Zero pics, dude.

>Now Ive got to get a good battery, clean up all the wiring
>(carefully..its 70 yrs old), repaint etc etc...<G>
>
>I LIKE this welder. I burned probably a pound of rod today farting
>around, overhead, vertical up, down, sideways etc etc....marvelous what
>this machine can do. Its got a far cleaner and easier arc to work with
>than any of my other stick welders, Ranger 9, ArcoDialarc 250 etc etc.
>
>Muahahahaha!!!

Congrats.

>Now if I ever get the Miller 55G back from the guy who is slowly
>rebuilding it.....

You'll what, use it or sell it?

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TOPIC: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff Options
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f1df1a24c6bce151?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 10:14 pm
From: cavelamb

Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <hp10d0$8f8$1@news.eternal-september.org>, "Because We Carry the Fire?" <southbound@down_the_road.xyz> wrote:
>> Maybe we need to revisit this topic?
>
> Maybe you need to learn how to use filters and killfiles. Or just learn to
> ignore posts, or posters, that you don't like.
>
> It's a public forum; how do you propose to "get rid of" him? Unless he
> violates his provider's TOS, there isn't much you can do without making
> yourself a worse nuisance than he is -- and even then, what if a complaint
> *does* result in his account being cancelled? How do you propose to prevent
> him from signing up for another one, using a different email address?

On the other hand, it is supposed to be a _topical_ public forum.

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: trade - anyone want to trade a JetDirect 2550A print server for a
couple of cutoff blades?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8caea8d8d42d34e4?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 10:32 pm
From: "Bill Noble"

see title - I could use some blades to fit in my BXA-7 holder - and I have
this print server card that I bought and then realized it doesn't fit my
printer - if interested in such a trade, drop me a note off list via the
email address on my web page below

--
Bill -
www.wbnoble.com

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 11:32 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:hp11m0$m85$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <5-mdneCxvOu8mSnWnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Ala"
> <alackrity@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9D4C6C055E76hopewell@216.196.97.130...
>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>> news:thj5r593l3s57ithe22ncmd1v95jjkpgmd@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:07:32 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>>>> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Back to the point, the Constitution, up to the Bill of Rights, doesn't
>>>>>say what the government cannot do. It says what it *can* do, and must
>>>>>do in some cases.
>
> It is my fond hope that I shall live to see the day in which people will
> actually take the time to *read* the Constitution before making claims
> about
> what it does or does not say.
>
> Clearly, Ed is not in the category of people who have done so.
>
> Sections 9 and 10 of Article I are nothing _but_ statements of what
> government
> cannot do. Article III, Section 3 restricts the definition of, and
> punishment
> for, treason. Article VI, paragraph 3, prohibits the use of any religious
> test
> as a qualification for office.

Doug, first off, Article I, Section 10 ("Powers prohibited of states") is
about what the STATES cannot do, without the consent of Congress. We were
talking about the federal government, which you would have noticed if you
had followed the thread. Section 9 (Limits on Congress) is seven
operational rules for Congress, including a prohibition of titles of
nobility <g> It includes rules for drawing money from the Treasury, etc.
Article III doesn't "restrict the punishment for treason." It says that
Congress "shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason." The only
limitation is that the accused's *family* will not forfeit their property.
It doesn't limit Congress's power to decide upon punishment of the guilty.

By contrast, Section 8 lists 20 specific powers of Congress. And the rest of
the document is mostly about what the federal government can, and shall do.

To pluck those points of yours, plus limits on punishments for treason and
prohibitions of religious tests, from a 4,500+ word document that is mostly
about the powers and authorities of the federal government is trivial to the
point of being silly. We were making a broad comparison between the limiting
declarations in the Bill of Rights from the empowering declarations of the
basic document.

The key to the distinction is in such statements as "All legislative Powers
herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States," and "The
judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,
and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and
establish."

I think you're picking nits and missing the essential thrust of the original
Constitution, versus the Bill of Rights.

>
>>>>>
>>>>>It was limiting only in the sense that the powers enumerated were an
>>>>>explicit and, barring Amendments, a complete description of the
>>>>>federal powers. The idea that it's intended as a limiting document is
>>>>>another twisted conclusion perpetuated by anti-government types who
>>>>>most often have never read it, nor the history and documents
>>>>>surrounding it. It was a very strong statement of new, agreed-upon
>>>>>federal powers.
>
> ROTFLMAO! Speaking of those who "have never read it"...

You seem to be a little short on such things as the comprehensive power "To
make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or
Officer thereof." In fact, you look like you've cherry-picked a few bits and
nits and are trying to build an argument upon it, one that is really the
opposite of the truth.

>
> Not to mention the inherent contradiction between acknowledging in the
> first
> sentence of the above paragraph that it is "a complete description of
> federal
> powers" (i.e. the federal government has no powers except those
> described),
> and referring to "the idea that it's intended as a limiting document" as a
> "twisted conclusion"... You just acknowledged that it's a limiting
> document!

The Bill of Rights is limiting. The core of the Constitution was intended as
an *empowering* document.

We could go around on this for quite a while, but I think the point can be
made by pointing out that the Constitution was not a document construed to
limit an *existing* government. It was one that enabled a *new*, far
stronger government, with wider ranging authorities, than the one we had at
the time under the Articles of Confederation.

The entire thrust of the 85 Federalist Papers is an argument to replace the
weakness and, as Hamilton called it, the humiliation of a government that
was laughed at around the world with one that had the strength and the power
to give the United States respect and the capabilities to operate as a
powerful and competent nation. From John Jay's examples in the first few
Federalists of how a weak central government left the country vulnerable in
war, to Madison's arguments in Federalist 10 that a large, national republic
was superior as a government that protected the interests of the people, to
Hamilton's complex arguments about the need for commercial uniformity and
authority, and national taxation, the entire body of those Papers was one
large argument for strength, centralized power, and authority to keep the
states from skirmishing with each other.

All of those arguments were made to a people who were wary of a central
government, and the words of the Founders were designed to allay those
fears. Like the situation faced now with health care reform, it was a big
change -- far bigger than the one we face now. The Founders had a lot of
fear and resistance to overcome, and they took care to explain that the
government they proposed would protect the rights of the people, not
threaten them.

So people who haven't made a good study of the history focus on the cautions
and assurances, rather than the purpose and motivation for the document,
which was to create a strong government that could overcome the weaknesses
they faced under the Confederation. And that's what I mean when I say that
focusing first on the limitations is looking at it from the ass end. The
Constitution came into being to create a strong government intended to
replace a weak one. That was its purpose, and that's the way it reads.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: How to center a chuck ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c5bc7ef058db6c5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 12:05 am
From: "azotic"

I got this chuck that i want to use on my logan 12" lathe. While fitting the
chuck to the
backplate i noticed the chuck does not have a recess on the back side for
centering.

Any ideas on how to center this chuck so it runs true to my spindle?

http://members.cox.net/azotic/IMG_0007.JPG

Best Regards
Tom.

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