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TOPIC: Manufacturing is BOOMING in USA
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 1:36 pm
From: "Steve Lusardi"

Iggy,
I'm amazed by your statement. When was the last time any product in the stores said "Made in the USA"? There is virtually no
serious manufacturing left in the States. You don't need statistics to witness this and in point of fact, without seeing US
products on the shelves, you have absolutely no justification for believing them. The same thing is happening in Europe and Japan.
We have already exported almost all of our manufacturing to the third world to remain competitive in the world market. Don't
believe the shit you read....look on the shelves.
Steve

"Ignoramus23298" <ignoramus23298@NOSPAM.23298.invalid> wrote in message news:zYOdncunztxdSinWnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303960604575157701739806306.html
>
> Manufacturing Expands World-Wide
>
> Best month of activity in USA in six years, makes my search for an
> investment in a warehouse, possibly, even too late, although
> realistically I still have a chance. My own opinion, mostly based on
> liquidation auction prices for equipment that is usable in modern
> production (as opposed to clapped out 50 year old manual lathes), is
> that we are about to see sharp economic growth.
>
> U.S. factory operators saw their best month of activity in nearly six
> years during March. The Institute for Supply Management reported
> Thursday that its index of manufacturing activity for March moved to a
> reading of 59.6, from 56.5 the month before and 58.4 in
> January. March's level was above the 57.0 economists had expected to
> see, and it was the highest reading since July 2004. Readings over 50
> indicate growth.
>
> I do think that "Obama haters" , who succumbed to pessimism because of
> who is in the White House, are making a big mistake in not recognizing
> that this country has every potential to be a great economic and
> industrial machine. We are now in a bull stock market by any standard,
> and are seeing improvements in both growth and productivity. If this
> continues, the United States will see a lot of incremental tax
> revenues from additional economic activity and capital gains, and that
> alone could be a big help to reduce budget deficit.
>
> "Obama policies", which anyone should be free to like or not like, do
> not fundamentally change the fact that we are a dynamic, capitalist
> economy. In fact, availability of health insurance may help someone to
> move towards self-employment.
>
> i

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:41 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:37:18 -0500, "Pete C."
<aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
<snip>
>Unfortunately, nobody left or right can admit when their policies have
>failed, and mostly nobody can even correlate their policies and the
>actual results since there is such a long lag time before they typically
>have any effect. This is of course why everything is cyclic.
<snip>
-------
Actually there has been considerable academic analytical work
done in this area. The field is called "econometrics," and when
the political party affiliation of the president, legislature,
etc. are included, generally as dummy or indicator variable (e.g.
Democrats = 0, Republicans = 1) it is called "political
econometrics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econometrics
http://www.oswego.edu/~kane/econometrics/
http://www.econometrics.org/

http://www.politicaleconometrics.com/
http://www.card.iastate.edu/publications/synopsis.aspx?id=970
http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/50306/2/Political%20Economy%20of%20Distortions%20to%20Agricultural%20Incentives-%20Agricultural%20Distortions%20Working%20Paper%2091,%20May%202009.pdf
http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/50294/2/Special%20Insterests%20vs%20Public%20interest%20,%20Agricultural%20Distortions%20working%20Paper%2078,%20may,%202009%20.pdf
and my own web page
http://www.mcduffee-associates.us/PE/Econometrics.htm

Some knowledge of statistical techniques is required to
understand the methodology, such as multi-variant
regression/analysis or canonical analysis, but the advent of
inexpensive computer programs such as WinStat [an Excel add-in]
and even some "free" programs has greatly simplified the
calculations required.

The party affiliation/control of the presidency/legislature can
easily be shifted to reflect lag time of policy changes or going
the other direction, the effect of economic factors on the
election outcomes.

The problem is that the reported results generally indicate that
most, if not all, of the conventional socio-economic/political
wisdom is wrong, and most of the credos, dogmas and shibboleths
of [political] ideology, where these can be put into testable
form and where data exists (which is too frequently *NOT* the
case), are not [or are no longer] correct. Naturally this puts a
very considerable knot in the politicians and talk show hosts
pantyhose, so neither (political) econometrics nor its findings
are widely reported or employed. Generally what is discovered
is that there is no correlation, which greatly simplifies the
analysis (i.e. no need to do any analysis if no correlation), for
example the (widely assumed) increase in aggregate unemployment
with an increase in the CY$ [current year] or CV$ [inflation
adjusted] minimum wage. [Before the flame wars start, more than
likely there is some threshold where an effect would be seen, but
historically the increases have been below this threshold, and
indeed below the rate of inflation.]

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:04 pm
From: Tim Wescott

Steve Lusardi wrote:
(top posting fixed)
> "Ignoramus23298" <ignoramus23298@NOSPAM.23298.invalid> wrote in message
> news:zYOdncunztxdSinWnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303960604575157701739806306.html
>>
(referenced article snipped)

>
> Iggy,
> I'm amazed by your statement. When was the last time any product in the
> stores said "Made in the USA"? There is virtually no serious
> manufacturing left in the States. You don't need statistics to witness
> this and in point of fact, without seeing US products on the shelves,
> you have absolutely no justification for believing them. The same thing
> is happening in Europe and Japan. We have already exported almost all of
> our manufacturing to the third world to remain competitive in the world
> market. Don't believe the shit you read....look on the shelves.
> Steve
>
For an alternate set of data, consider my customer list -- with a few
exceptions, I do all of my work for US manufacturing companies, and they
support me very well indeed. No one hires a design consultant if they
don't intend to be manufacturing what the guy designs, and relatively
soon. While my business isn't booming it's certainly picking up
steadily but slowly.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:07 pm
From: Ignoramus23298

On 2010-04-01, Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
> Don't try to tell right wingers that anything Obama is doing is working,
> is good policy, is successful, or is the right thing to do. They
> continue to believe in the tried and failed policies that Bush and the
> republicans stand for, and that they put in place when Bush was
> president. What's scary is that they want another chance to implement
> the exact same failed policies again. They have simply not learned that
> what they believed was wrong. So don't try to tell them Obama's way of
> doing things is good. They won't hear of it. They're wedded to failed
> policies and that's that. Now the rest of the normal people are all
> starting to see what you see and what I have already said before, things
> are turning around and we are beginning a new phase of positive economic
> growth. Just be happy we're coming out of the Bush debacle and are
> moving ahead once again and make some moves that allow you to profit
> from seeing the obvious.

I thin that being as partisan as you are, leads to making the same
mistakes as what the "Obama haters" are making, which is failure to
consider reality due to too much prejudices.

The reality is that, Obama or not, the United States is built on a
flexible, and solid, foundation of free enterprise, relative fairness,
competition and well honest educated, labor force with great work
ethic.

What Bush administration and most everyone else missed, was that due
to proliferation of shadow banking, the economy was again susceptible
to banking panics.

Where the Federal Reserve and Obama administration succeeded, is in
credibly convincing the markets that they will not allow a Depression
style calamity, no matter what deficit they would need to run. That
worked and our economy is returning to sensible functioning.

The administration of President Bush gets some, but very little,
credit for this.

In any case, I urge everyone to thin more about the future than about
the past. What is the likely fture that awaits us, what are the
dangers or risks, etc.

My expectation is for a general recovery and decent growth and modest
reduction of unemployment rate. That should help bring deficits closer
to sustainable levels.

With all of this in mind, and the prices where I hope to be, I would
hope be able to find some little industrial style investment of my
own. What I do not plan on doing is speculating on currencies,
interest rates, and other things. I also do not plan on leveraging
myself in a dangerous way.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:09 pm
From: Ignoramus23298

On 2010-04-01, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, nobody left or right can admit when their policies have
> failed, and mostly nobody can even correlate their policies and the
> actual results since there is such a long lag time before they typically
> have any effect. This is of course why everything is cyclic.

This is very wise, actually.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:10 pm
From: "Snag"

Steve Lusardi wrote:
> Iggy,
> I'm amazed by your statement. When was the last time any product in
> the stores said "Made in the USA"? There is virtually no serious
> manufacturing left in the States. You don't need statistics to
> witness this and in point of fact, without seeing US products on the
> shelves, you have absolutely no justification for believing them. The
> same thing is happening in Europe and Japan. We have already exported
> almost all of our manufacturing to the third world to remain
> competitive in the world market. Don't believe the shit you
> read....look on the shelves. Steve

Or the unemployment lines . I'll believe there's progress being made when
the job situation changes .
--
Snag
"90 FLHTCU "Strider"
'39 WLDD "PopCycle"
BS 132/SENS/DOF

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:12 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 1, 5:41 pm, F. George McDuffee <gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us> wrote:
> ...
> The problem is that the reported results generally indicate that
> most, if not all, of the conventional socio-economic/political
> wisdom is wrong, and most of the credos, dogmas and shibboleths
> of [political] ideology, where these can be put into testable
> form and where data exists (which is too frequently *NOT* the
> case), are not [or are no longer] correct. ...
>
> Unka George (George McDuffee)

Does it support my hypothesis that ONLY the price of oil controls the
world's economies?

jsw

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:14 pm
From: Ignoramus23298

On 2010-04-01, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Bush policies are finally starting to yield positive results.
> Of course, BHO's lackeys won't be giving Bush credit.

Recall the timeline of the events. The crisis hit us in the late
September of 2008, on the eights year of Bush presidency.

The response to it was mostly worked out only by the end of
October. Significant money still was not spent by the end of Bush
presidency.

I would not, therefore, give Bush administration much credit, though
they deserve a small amount of credit.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:20 pm
From: Ignoramus23298

On 2010-04-01, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Chuckle...wait the the Commerical Real Estate Crunch hits.
>
> Want to start a manufacturing business? Come out to California.
>
> Lots and lots of existing shops here, where the owners simply walked
> away from the building, leaving all the machinery(unpaid for), all the
> tools (unpaid for) and all the piles of completed work (unpaid for)
> still sitting in the shipping dock.
>
> Ill bet you could get a complete shop for simply walking in the front
> door.
>
> Course..you better have at least 4 yrs worth of expense money in the
> bank.....

I do not want to own a manufacturing business because I will mess it
up.

However, I welcome the commercial real estate collapse because I want
to buy commercial (industrial) real estate to rent to manufacturing
businesses.

Ultimately, the collapse of commercial real estate is good for buyers
and renters of real estate, which means it is good for companies that
look to expand and buy into new space.

If I could buy a collapsed company (assets only, no liabilites) I
could sell off the equipment to help finance the purchase. Right now,
the prices for industrial equipment that is still usable for modern
shops, are increasing again. That's why I realized a few weeks earlier
that we'll have a good uptick in manufacturing - someone is buying
this stuff to expand on the cheap.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:22 pm
From: "pdrahn@coinet.com"

On Apr 1, 2:04 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
> Steve Lusardi wrote:
>
> (top posting fixed)> "Ignoramus23298" <ignoramus23...@NOSPAM.23298.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:zYOdncunztxdSinWnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230396060457515770173980...
>
> (referenced article snipped)
>
>
>
> > Iggy,
> > I'm amazed by your statement. When was the last time any product in the
> > stores said "Made in the USA"? There is virtually no serious
> > manufacturing left in the States. You don't need statistics to witness
> > this and in point of fact, without seeing US products on the shelves,
> > you have absolutely no justification for believing them. The same thing
> > is happening in Europe and Japan. We have already exported almost all of
> > our manufacturing to the third world to remain competitive in the world
> > market. Don't believe the shit you read....look on the shelves.
> > Steve
> >
> For an alternate set of data, consider my customer list -- with a few
> exceptions, I do all of my work for US manufacturing companies, and they
> support me very well indeed. No one hires a design consultant if they
> don't intend to be manufacturing what the guy designs, and relatively
> soon. While my business isn't booming it's certainly picking up
> steadily but slowly.
>
> --
> Tim Wescott
> Control system and signal processing consultingwww.wescottdesign.com

I see the same thing on the manufacturing end, Tim. Our orders keep
increasing every month. New circuit board designs as well as old
production. My GM made a delivery this morning of GPS boards. The
customer had two pallets of finished electronic assemblies ready to
ship TO China!!!

Our big problem is component availability. Many distributors list a
component with stock on hand and then call and say oops, bin is empty
and factory says they will deliver in 6-8 weeks. Meantime, we have to
pay for all the rest of the components now and wait till the stray
arrives. Then one pops up that gives us a December 15 delivery date.
The Chinese way of saying they will NEVER make that transformer again.

Overall, things in manufacturing are getting much better than 2009.

Paul

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TOPIC: Source for 5MM or 3/16 HP tubing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:42 pm
From: Wes

stans4@prolynx.com wrote:

>What do you consider high-pressure? Real high pressure lines use
>compression or flare fittings, not threads on the tubing, just because
>threads are a built-in stress riser.

I'm using the high pressure tubing for a low pressure application.

Back when I worked on 60,000 psi systems, the connections were made with a gland nut, a
collar that was screwed on left hand threads cut into the piping, the end of the tubing
was coned with a cone cutter and then the assembly was screwed into a fitting with a
socket for the coned end to fit into. I believe the cones were cut for an interference
fit iirc. It has been a decade or so since I have worked with the stuff.

http://www.spark-co.com/outillage.php

The link above is the type of high pressure plumbing I just described that does have
threads. The stuff is very heavy wall.

Wes

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 1:50 pm
From: Ignoramus23298

On 2010-04-01, stans4@prolynx.com <stans4@prolynx.com> wrote:
> Safest way would be to disassemble the motor, manually pack the
> bearings and reassemble. You could vacuum out the crap that
> accumulates that way, too. Or if you've got it down that far, replace
> the bearings.

I agree with Stan 100%. Swapping bearings on a motor is easy and
usually inexpensive. You can get great quality permalube bearings that
will essentially never need any attention, at least in HSM setting.

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TOPIC: OT - Hyperinflation as a goal?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:51 pm
From: Wes

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>You could easily, for instance, whack $100 billion a year from defense
>spending without reducing readiness or otherwise impeding our global
>national security posture. That would, however, require the American public
>to grow a pair and stop being afraid of their own shadow. That isn't
>practical with all of the hype from every possible direction so it will
>require that our politicians display a little courage, possibly by falling
>on their own swords for the greater good.

Even when DOD tries to cut spending, congress critters put it back in.

Consider the C-130.

http://lobby.la.psu.edu/_107th/092_C_130_Procurement/summary_c_130.html

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 3:00 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Wes wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>> You could easily, for instance, whack $100 billion a year from
>> defense spending without reducing readiness or otherwise impeding
>> our global national security posture. That would, however, require
>> the American public to grow a pair and stop being afraid of their
>> own shadow. That isn't practical with all of the hype from every
>> possible direction so it will require that our politicians display a
>> little courage, possibly by falling on their own swords for the
>> greater good.
>
> Even when DOD tries to cut spending, congress critters put it back in.
>
> Consider the C-130.
>
> http://lobby.la.psu.edu/_107th/092_C_130_Procurement/summary_c_130.html
>

The C-17 is another example. That program had been shut down every year or
two since 1999.
Gates and Obama finally pulled the plug a few months ago.
The comment I originally made, and which you excluded, was entirely
appropriate.
The only reason these programs are continued is that they get votes.

Should the numbers continue to show the improvement reported today, you will
see the results at the polls in a few months Wes and it won't be pretty for
Republicans. The reverse is also equally true. An adverse change will be bad
for Democrats.
You might remember "It's the economy stupid!" from a past President and it
is as true now as it was then.

--
John R. Carroll

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:24 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hp2ee3$jrf$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> Yet, my town is loaded with Muslims, mostly East Indian. One is my son's
>> best friend. The ones I know are great, generous, hard-working people. My
>> cardiologist's name is Muhammed, and he's a laugh a minute. <g> I really
>> don't get it.
>
> I do. He's a sleeper agent. Watch your back!

<g> And my endocrinologist, until I left him, was named Hussein. He's a
friend of my cardiologist, Muhammed. No kidding.

>
>
>> Defense is always going to be politically tough, but I'll be right behind
>> you. As for cutting federal education contributions, all it will do is
>> push the costs onto the states. I really don't see that one having legs.
>
> I'm all for that. Education should be a very local issue.
> The Feds should have never stuck their nose under that tent.

I think it's the opposite. The more local you make school control, the
dumber it gets. You won't find local control among any of the countries that
beat our kids' pants off on standardized tests.

The very idea of a local school board is like a comic parody. Once they've
set the date for the senior prom, and decided who is going to fix the leak
in the elementary school roof, they're out of intellectual gas.

>
>
>>> Education, we don't need a federal department of education. Let the
>>> States deal with it
>>> on their terms. You seem to have a lot of faith in the feds. I have a
>>> lot of faith in
>>> the individual states. If one state is screwing up, it will soon look
>>> to how the other
>>> states that are getting it right are doing it.
>>
>> I have almost no faith at all in the states. I agree with James Madison
>> that government becomes less competent as its geographic and population
>> scope become smaller. If they weren't propped up by the federal
>> government, they'd collapse like so many houses of cards.
>
> If by competent you mean efficient, I don't know that I want a very
> efficient federal government. Germany was very efficient until about 1943.

I mean capable of coming up with good solutions to problems, having the
resources to do something about them, and having access to the people who
can get it done. The smaller government gets, the less likely all three of
those things are.

Going back to Madison and Jefferson, Madison's point was that you needed a
certain number of people in a governing body, no matter how many people were
being governed, just to avoid being victimized by factional interests. In
fact, state legislatures tend to have a high representative rate compared to
the federal government -- often by 50:1 or even more.

As the population from which you draw gets smaller, you have decreasing
likelihood of coming up with enough quality people. Jefferson, on the other
hand, thought that small units of government were a good thing, but that
they had very limited competence. All of the FFs thought we needed a federal
government with real authority to get the big jobs done.

I think all of them had an important insight, based on their understanding
of immutable human nature. And I think that education is one of the big
jobs.

>
>> And they're much more corrupt. The state governments are mostly either
>> corrupt as hell, buffoonish, or both.
>
> The Feds are giving them a real run for their money, but Illinois and NJ
> are way ahead. But there are plenty of good examples in State government.
> If you ignore Rick Perry (and we do), I think we're doing OK on that score
> here in Texas.

I think that Louisianna is still highest on the FBI's anti-corruption
investigation unit list, but we're in the running. <g> Regarding Texas, when
the Democrats in your legislature have to hide out in Oklahoma so the
Republicans can't assemble a quorum, you have your share of buffoons, too.
d8-)

>
>
>>> We can even put charging coils in interstates and main arteries to
>>> increase range of EV's
>>> to make them acceptable.
>
> Probably cause cancer, or at least insanity. ;)
> (Do I really have to put a smiley after a line like that?)

It's hard to do a tongue-in-cheek.

I love all of these futuristic ideas. I don't mean to make light of them. I
just want to see some real projects underway, rather than being the subject
of future-science articles in the newspapers, or "color" stories that wrap
up the evening news.

--
Ed Huntress

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 3:36 pm
From: Wes

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>Wes wrote:
>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At which point, our creditors would be left with worthless
>>> promises. However, what are the odds that the US government
>>> (or any employee thereof) would ever break a promise?
>>
>> I don't see us ever defaulting.
>
>Double digit inflation isn't much different than default if you are holding
>long term debt issued at low rates - like today's.
>It's a great way for us to wipe out our debt with cheapened dollars,
>however, and that is why it's important for the Fed and the rest of our
>government to be convincing in their arguments that they are serious about
>fighting inflation when the time is right and that they know how to do so
>and will.

I sure don't want to go back to the Nixon, Ford, and Carter economy. Remember WIN, Whip
Inflation Now?

Wes

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 1:50 pm
From: Ignoramus23298

On 2010-04-01, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hawke wrote:
>> On 3/31/2010 6:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> Dear Employees:
>>>
>>> As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned
>>> myself to the fact that Barrack Obama is our
>>> President and that our taxes and government fees
>>> will increase in a BIG way.
>>>
>>> To compensate for these increases, our prices
>>> would have to increase by about 10%. But since
>>> we cannot increase our prices right now due to the
>>> dismal state of the economy, we will have to lay off
>>> sixty of our employees instead.
>>>
>>> This has really been bothering me since I believe
>>> we are family here and I didn't know how to choose
>>> who would have to go.
>>>
>>> So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking
>>> lots and found sixty 'Obama' bumper stickers on our
>>> employees' cars and have decided these folks will be
>>> the ones to let go.. I can't think of a more fair way
>>> to approach this problem. They voted for change......
>>> I gave it to them.
>>>
>>> I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.
>>>
>>> THE BOSS
>>
>>
>> Now the rest of the company will suffer because the Boss just went and
>> let go 60 of his smartest workers. Not a very bright thing to do. Which
>> means he didn't vote for Obama either.
>
> He'd probably be accused of racism

The letter was pure fiction, right?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:36 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Ignoramus23298" <ignoramus23298@NOSPAM.23298.invalid> wrote in message
news:lb2dnY13_qCumijWnZ2dnUVZ_jsAAAAA@giganews.com...
> On 2010-04-01, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hawke wrote:
>>> On 3/31/2010 6:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> Dear Employees:
>>>>
>>>> As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned
>>>> myself to the fact that Barrack Obama is our
>>>> President and that our taxes and government fees
>>>> will increase in a BIG way.
>>>>
>>>> To compensate for these increases, our prices
>>>> would have to increase by about 10%. But since
>>>> we cannot increase our prices right now due to the
>>>> dismal state of the economy, we will have to lay off
>>>> sixty of our employees instead.
>>>>
>>>> This has really been bothering me since I believe
>>>> we are family here and I didn't know how to choose
>>>> who would have to go.
>>>>
>>>> So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking
>>>> lots and found sixty 'Obama' bumper stickers on our
>>>> employees' cars and have decided these folks will be
>>>> the ones to let go.. I can't think of a more fair way
>>>> to approach this problem. They voted for change......
>>>> I gave it to them.
>>>>
>>>> I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.
>>>>
>>>> THE BOSS
>>>
>>>
>>> Now the rest of the company will suffer because the Boss just went and
>>> let go 60 of his smartest workers. Not a very bright thing to do. Which
>>> means he didn't vote for Obama either.
>>
>> He'd probably be accused of racism
>
> The letter was pure fiction, right?
>
> i

It looks like a Gunnerism, all right. At least two humor blogs describe it
as a joke they got in their e-mail.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff Options
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f1df1a24c6bce151?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:55 pm
From: Wes

rangerssuck <rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 31, 10:28�pm, "Because We Carry the Fire?"
><southbound@down_the_road.xyz> wrote:
>> Maybe we need to revisit this topic?
>
>And what about the rest of the people (left, right and center) who
>seldom post on-topic, but always have a political statement to make?
>They don't bother you? It doesn't raise your ire when someone like
>Gunner posts hundreds of lines cut & pasted from his favorite winger
>site without a single word of original thought? Or when he posts a one
>or two word reply, followed by twenty or so lines of robotic spew?
>
>When Gunner is on a road trip, the signal to noise ratio of this group
>improves significantly. It's maybe a little less comical, but it is
>way more on topic.
>
>It's easy enough to killfile or otherwise filter the posters you don't
>want to read.

I take it you like Cliffs posts?

Wes

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TOPIC: How to center a chuck ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c5bc7ef058db6c5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 3:03 pm
From: Wes

"azotic" <azotic@cox.net> wrote:

>I got this chuck that i want to use on my logan 12" lathe. While fitting the
>chuck to the
>backplate i noticed the chuck does not have a recess on the back side for
>centering.
>
>Any ideas on how to center this chuck so it runs true to my spindle?
>

That would be scary spinning at 1500 rpm. It will likely be out of balance, round is so
much safer than that thing spinning away. Just wait until you manage to get hit by a
spinning edge.

Is this an April fools day joke?

Wes

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TOPIC: Insurance claim....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6a2e038156446545?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 3:11 pm
From: Wes

Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>>As far as the check, I'd not cash it until you have a repair bill to pay. It isn't your
>>money in a sense and it avoids any issues where cashing the check is acceptance of a
>>settlement.
>
>First, why is nobody telling him to get the work done and refund the
>overage to his insurance company? Isn't that the proper thing to do?
>Don't you want them to be around the next time you need them? <shrug>

If you value your time, by the time you dick around getting quotes, doing research to make
sure you understand what the problem is and the pit falls, there is not much chance the
insurance company handed you too big a check.

On another note, quit often a homeowner does his own repairs and pockets the difference.
He didn't cheat the insurance company since his work has value. Might have stuck it to
the IRS though ;).

>
>Second, with a buyer's market, he'll get lower bids already. If he
>works fast, maybe that contractor will be able to stay in business.
>I've been lucky doing the smaller jobs I do because I've maintained a
>decent workflow. Homebuilders are eating the proverbial caca.

For you to reap the bounty, you have to move to where the work is. Those that are when
his storm work is, likely got a real stimulus, and it didn't come from Obama.

>
>Third, how is he going to give a contractor a downpayment for the
>work? I demand all material costs and a bit of labor before starting.
>If you aren't happy with that, go to another (probably higher) bidder.
>If it's a primarily labor-intensive job, I can do with 25% down. With
>my repeat clients, I'm more comfortable with a smaller down, but they
>usually insist. Works for me!

>Food for thought?

There you have a point. I'll have to discuss how my brother gets his jobs funded when he
works with home owners. He is an electrical contractor but likely has the same set of
issues. I'll ask at Easter dinner.

Wes

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 3:31 pm
From: Wes

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Where do you buy a 20 year old roof, to replace the one you
>lost?

IIRC, it was a slate roof. That is a very long lived roof compared to asphalt shingles or
metal roofing.

My brother built an oak timber frame home using stressskin panels for skins. The design
life for that type of construction is 200 years or so. The suggested roofing to match the
rest of the structure was slate based life expectancy.

Now if the op has a 150 year old home, well, he might have a problem if replacement cost
insurace was not purchased.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 2:11 pm
From: Lookout

On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:01:54 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote:

>
>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:Xns9D4D67BA696DFhopewell@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:hp0r1g$i6s$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>>
>>> "Tim Miller" <replytonewsgroup@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:hp0pil$5le$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>> .
>>>>> "Philosophies" and the needs of American have changed dramatically
>>>>> since 1790.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, since Reagan, we have slipped behind many modern
>>>>> industrialized nations.
>>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>
>>> One example.....
>>>
>>> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.html
>>>
>>> �Most Livable� Countries, 2006
>>> 1. Norway 16. France
>>> 2. Iceland 17. Italy
>>> 3. Australia 18. United Kingdom
>>> 4. Ireland 19. Spain
>>> 5. Sweden 20. New Zealand
>>> 6. Canada 21. Germany
>>> 7. Japan 22. Israel
>>> 8. United States 23. Greece
>>> 9. Switzerland 24. Singapore
>>> 10. Netherlands 25. Korea, Rep. of
>>> 11. Finland 26. Slovenia
>>> 12. Luxembourg 27. Portugal
>>> 13. Belgium 28. Cyprus
>>> 14. Austria 29. Czech Republic
>>> 15. Denmark 30. Barbados
>>>
>>>
>>> Our health care sucks.
>>> We are still on the English system instead of Metric.
>>
>> And that poses a problem on who and on what, exactly? Our companies do
>> produce product on the metric system or haven't you worked on your car in
>> the last twenty years? Hell, just the Brit money system is completely
>> different as are most monetary systems in Europe. The Euro is only for
>> common market items.....not a loaf of bread.
>..
>.==================
>Our whole country should switch to metric.
>Science and medicine are metric

Reagan signed the bill. We just never did it.
It would save us hundreds of millions of dollars in repackaging costs
when we ship overseas.
>
>NASA screwed up a satellite by a Metric/English conflict
>
>It's a total waste teaching the English system and burdening children with
>an obsolete system.
>=====================
>
>
>>
>>> Internet speed.
>>
>> Hmmmm, my home computer downloads at what was T1 backbone speeds not long
>> ago.
>======================
>Very nice about your computer.
>Google has the right idea 100 Meg nationwide
>======================
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> Infrastructure
>>
>> Which infrastructure?\
>=======================
>Roads, bridges, water systems, sewage systems...for example.
>Medical record keeping
>=======================
>
>>
>>> Education.
>>
>> In the sciences, yes.
>================
>In science, math, writing, and government.
>We still let religious fanatics influence science.
>We're no better than the Taliban in that regard
>
>Our education is "part time"
>
>We need 12 month education, we need 8 hour school days
>
>There's much more to learn in the 21st Century.
>A school system based on an agrarian society is out of date
>==================
>
>
>
>>
>>> Energy
>>
>> Depends. France, for example, rated a ways below us is ahead on nuclear
>> power but I am not up on how they intend to handle their used waste for
>> that. Japan is better than we are with railroads but their entire
>> country is like the Boston to New York corrider, they have no NY to LA
>> runs of rail.....nor do any of the rail roads in Europe. How many wind
>> yards do you see in Europe?
>
>================
>France has been generating 70% of their electricity nuclear for years.
>Russia has done a better job than we have.
>All movement in conservation, CAF� standards, alternate fuel stopped when
>Reagan took office
>28 years wasted while we enriched the Saudis
>================
>
>Some of our provincial politicians need to travel more and see what other
>countries are doing.
>
>Whenever I traveled I looked at what other countries did.
>I looked at what they did that was different
>I looked at what they did that was better.
>
>I didn�t live in the "America is best" wonderland while others moved better
>and faster than we did
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> Just a few
>>
>> Care to try some stuff that is not just a broad term?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sleep well tonight,
>>
>> RD (The Sandman)
>>
>> You simply have to stay in shape. My grandmother started
>> walking 5 miles a day when she was 60. She is now 97 and
>> we have no idea where she is.
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 3:19 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Lookout wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:01:54 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D4D67BA696DFhopewell@216.196.97.130...
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in
>>> news:hp0r1g$i6s$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tim Miller" <replytonewsgroup@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:hp0pil$5le$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>> .
> Reagan signed the bill. We just never did it.
> It would save us hundreds of millions of dollars in repackaging costs
> when we ship overseas.

I thought metrification became the law in the 70's?

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Future Space programs Re: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/57c9c3facffdfb67?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 3:23 pm
From: Wes

pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

> But you have to pilot a space craft all the way to touch down.
>There is no "free" negative acceleration on the moon. Now, one of the
>nifty things about the moon is that because there is no atmosphere,
>there is nothing to prevent you from orbiting a meter from the
>surface. But you can orbit there forever, because there is nothing to
>slow you down for a reentry/landing.

I think the pressure the sun exerts on your craft will cause it to deorbit eventually.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/Numbers/Math/Mathematical_Thinking/sunlight_exerts_pressure.htm

Wes

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