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TOPIC: OT Good news (from "who will be the first")
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de4246196f575c10?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 11:52 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:37:45 -0400, Wes
<ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote:

>Don Foreman <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>
>>>Make sure she allows the healing to take place. It may annoy her to not
>>>do certain things, and she might complain, but it is essential to let
>>>the heart recover.
>>
>>Roger that! She'll heed the doc's instructions. I'm more worried that
>>she'll discover she likes having me do some tasks that have
>>traditionally been hers. <G>
>>
>>One thing she definitely won't do is complain.
>
>
>Any updates on your Mary?
>
>Wes

She's home, feeling a bit beat up but improving steadily. She is
taking it easy as she should. I'm in caregiver mode for a little
while, my turn in the barrel and I'm very glad I'm able to do.

Couldn't interest her in food tonight but she had a nice Belgian
waffle for lunch. I've got some ribeye steaks thawing in the fridge
for tomorrow. I strongly doubt that she'll be uninterested in a nice
ribeye broiled very rare with baked tater and green peas. I could also
do garlic smashed taters but it's hard to beat a bake with a steak.

I'm not projecting here, Mar purely loves a good ribeye bloody rare.

Tonight, as I sat next to her with Gladiator on the TV, she talked
almost nonstop for well over an hour. She's feeling better! Mary is
absolutely not a motormouth, she was just a few days behind on sharing
while inward focus took higher priority. I sure do understand that!

She'll not complain about nor admit to fear or pain pro tem but she'll
later share experience with me when she's ready to do so and has it
parked. We're both like that.

Cardiac issues and events do tend to have emotional impact. I pretty
much ignored the movie and listened to her, kidded her now and then.
We're teammates.

Nobody wants to seem like a fraidy cat but anxiety can happen when the
monitor in the ICU keeps beeping an alarm condition for low B.P. with
an alert flashing in red on the monitor. Remediation was 3 units of
blood and a liter of something else IV. That sit was what kept her
there for an extra day. We continue to be impressed with the quality
of care provided by this facility and the competent and caring
professionals who work there.

She accepted wheelchair transport with me as pusher at the clinic for
some lab work today, but when I took milady to lunch afterwards she
walked into that restaurant like she'd dance on the bar if they had a
piano player. I can fake it as a honkytonk piano player but Baker's
Square has neither a bar nor a piano so we quietly enjoyed our lunch.
She's sleeping in a recliner for a while. Been there, done that. I
slept in that recliner for more than a month.

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TOPIC: Teabaggers in heaven
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e8a959ae66a71be2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 12:32 am
From: "anorton"

(snip)

> How much? Well,
> Jeffers says so far he's not at liberty to disclose that information.
> "That's not something we're required to disclose, nor do we."
(snip)
>The financial results listed in the 10-k "is an accurate
> reflection of what it is, but not what you thought it was," says
> Jeffers.
>

Well, that cleared up that misunderstanding didn't it???

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TOPIC: Something to ponder....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9d4b4f04a4eca9d8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 1:54 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:39:54 +0100, "Ken Tukyfriedturkey"
<YesItsMe@btinternet.com> wrote:

>my postman
>

Really? I thought Hitler was dead. At his age..he must not be able to
carry a big mail bag, eh?

>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:jneis5d34obbp8t9p00t6pqt92ua4ntm8h@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born
>> in another country. I was not his only child. He fathered several
>> children with numerous women.
>>
>>
>> I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no
>> interest in me. My mother died at an early age from cancer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
>>
>>
>>
>> My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a
>> legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
>>
>>
>>
>> I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as
>> it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
>> beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under
>> scrutiny.
>>
>>
>>
>> I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult,
>> disguising myself as someone who really cared about them..
>>
>>
>>
>> That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my
>> life and I embarked on a new career.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to
>> those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
>> father abandoned me as a child.
>>
>>
>>
>> I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help
>> behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
>> national office in my 40s.. They said I had a golden tongue and could
>> talk anyone into anything.. That reinforced my conceit.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and
>> no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
>> speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they
>> were small roofing tacks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
>> This bolstered my ego.
>>
>>
>>
>> At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign
>> policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and seized
>> every opportunity to bash my country.
>>
>>
>>
>> But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
>> on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how
>> we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
>>
>>
>>
>> I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this
>> mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to
>> start making citizens hate them and if they were envious of others who
>> did well, the plan was clinched tight.
>>
>>
>>
>> I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all
>> people.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the
>> traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular
>> support.
>>
>>
>>
>> I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope', together we
>> could change our country and the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf
>> of the downtrodden, poor, ignorant to include "persecuted minorities"
>> like the Jews. My true views were not widely known and I needed to
>> keep them unknown, until after I became my nation's leader.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily
>> found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
>> and examined those people I associated with.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in
>> the world. And the world learned the truth..
>>
>>
>>
>> *Who am I? *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am ADOLF HITLER
>>
>> WHO WERE YOU THINKING OF?
>>
>> Scary isn't it?
>

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TOPIC: OT - I think Gunner should run for office on the Teabagger Ticket
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/98af221afb72e333?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:06 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:42:36 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:39:21 -0700
>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:54:33 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>><mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You do know that I live in The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia...right?
>>>>
>>>> We have plenty of leftwingers within this state. Ooodles of them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Imported fresh, daily from their facility in Mexico.
>>
>>
>>Nah..most of the illegal latiinos coming into the US are from the
>>poorest areas of Mexico. They are more than willing to be pure
>>Capitalists.
>>
>>But they are breaking the law(s) in doing this and should not be allowed
>>to do so.
>>
>>Unless those that think they should, will turn a blind eye to the mass
>>killings of Leftwingers?
>
> It might produce more job openings, eh no?
>
> OTOH, those coming out of Mexico, might see the suppression of one
>political faction or another, to just be the way things are. What's a
>colloquial Mexican expression for "Shit happens"?
>
> Machts nichts zu mir.
>

Aus den Augen, aus dem Sinn.

Shrug.

>pyotr
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:07 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:42:36 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:41:26 -0700
>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:51:33 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
>><hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 16, 6:38 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
>>>> <gunnera...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:45:02
>>>> -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>>You do know that I live in The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia...right?
>>>>
>>>> >>>We have plenty of leftwingers within this state. Ooodles of them.
>>>>
>>>> >>You have my sincerest condolences.
>>>>
>>>> >So if I were to go off the reservation..what makes you think Id leave
>>>> >the state to commit "mayhem"?
>>>>
>>>> Snerk. Now you're confusing him. He's obviously seen a map.
>>>> California isn't all that big, maybe the size of his hand.
>>>
>>>What a new cartographic concept... one hand = one state.
>>
>>Well..looking at a US atlas..Massachusits and others are smaller than
>>the belly button lint I collect.
>
> See what happens when you have an outie - not enough belly button
>lint to cover a state.
>
Crom..but I can collect belly button link like a pre civil war cotton
picker. Course..Im a deep Innie. We of course are superior forms of
life.
ahum....

> I'm having a surreal afternoon.
>-

Enjoy it!

>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:24 am
From: Klaus Shadenfreude

[Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:

>So Gunner...what the heck is the hold up.

What's holding you up from visiting Sunnyside Terrace? Besides your
lack of balls, that is.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 6:04 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 17, 12:24 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Here is a list of the 435 groups where T_M_T trolls.
>

435 groups. Wow. If they ever pass a law requiring psych tests to
own a gun, TMT is bound to be the first one found to be unstable.

Dan

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TOPIC: O'boovervilles get a reprieve in N.J.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3489eb94581400ea?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:18 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:57:08 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>Lewis says that the residents have formed a real community over the years.
>But he said the settlement, wedged in the woods between a highway off-ramp
>and train tracks, is unsafe and unsanitary.

So install porta potties and add some street lighting.

Its gonna be a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for housing

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:49 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:25:10 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <iarnrod@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 16, 10:57 pm, "Cheap Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>> http://cbs3.com/local/tent.city.camden.2.1632515.html
>>
>> Apr 15, 2010 11:00 pm US/Eastern
>> Camden Tent City Residents Get A Reprieve
>>
>> CAMDEN, N.J. (AP) ? Homeless people who built a community of campground
>> tents just a few blocks from downtown Camden got a reprieve Thursday,
>> allowing them to remain, at least for now, at the self-governing settlement
>> in one of the nation's poorest cities.
>
>You fuckin' moron. this tent city was established FOUR YEARS AGO.
>Guess these folks knew what AWOL Bush was doing to the economy and
>decided to get a head start. <chuckle>
>
>READ your cites before you post shit that contradicts you, fuzznuts.

So you are saying that Liberal City cant find housing for its homeless
in 4 yrs?

And you guys want to run America?

No wonder its going down the drain.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: On Obama's watch: California sets record 12.6% jobless rate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5738c172a5ad28c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:22 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:15:36 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9F49LEO0&show_article=1
>
>California jobless rate swells to 12.6 percent

According to state sources..its closer to 30%, given the numbers of
people who expired their unemployment and are no longer on the rolls.

>Apr 16 01:13 PM US/Eastern
>By DON THOMPSON
>Associated Press Writer
>
>
>SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - California's unemployment rate hit a modern record
>of 12.6 percent in March, though it rose only a fraction over the previous
>month, the state Employment Development Department reported Friday.
>Non-farm payroll jobs increased by 4,200 as the economy shows signs of life.
>It was the third consecutive month that California added jobs, gaining
>32,400 jobs so far this year.
>
>More than 2.3 million Californians remained unemployed, with 362,000 more
>people jobless than a year ago.
>
>California's jobless rate grew from 12.5 percent in February after holding
>steady for a month. The rate was 10.6 percent in March 2009.
>
>Howard Roth, chief economist for the state Department of Finance, said the
>unemployment rate appears to be at or near its peak.
>
>It was the first time since mid-2007 that the state saw job gains for three
>consecutive months. The department previously had reported a job loss in
>February, but revised those numbers Friday based on new data.
>
>"I think this is for real," Roth said of the economic rebound. "We're seeing
>it in other statistics as well, personal income, taxable sales and housing
>prices."
>
>The state lost an average of 115,000 jobs a month in the first quarter of
>2009, compared with gains each month this year. There was growth in five of
>the 11 jobs sectors in March: mining and logging, manufacturing, education,
>health services and hospitality.
>
>"It's a sign that people are at least feeling there are jobs, and they can
>actually look for a job," said Kevin Callori, spokesman for the Employment
>Development Department.
>
>The construction, information, government, financial and professional
>services sectors lost jobs last month.
>
>Roth expects the state's unemployment rate to remain high through 2011 in
>part because more people will start looking for jobs but may not find them
>right away. He noted the national unemployment rate, which remained
>unchanged at 9.7 percent in March, was down from its peak of 10.1 percent in
>October.
>
>Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he is encouraged but said in a statement
>that the state needs to focus on training employees and giving employers
>incentives to hire them.
>
>Michigan leads the nation with a 14.1 percent unemployment rate, followed by
>Nevada at 13.4 percent.
>
>California was tied with Rhode Island for the third-highest jobless rate.
>
>

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Do TMT's mommies have two Glocks too?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ace763e99837177?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:43 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:26:03 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-discrimination

ROFLMAO!!

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Heat/air for small garage/shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21ca08258ce8d2a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:44 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:58:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:28:26 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:15:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> >> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
>> >> >ice and a big fan. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Crom no! I went to a party last summer where they had put out buckets
>> >> filled with dry ice..and people were falling down the stairs between
>> >> the house and the swimming pool all night long because of the fog hiding
>> >> the stairs.
>> >
>> >
>> > It sounds like they were trying for the group discount on Darwin
>> >Awards. :(
>>
>> It was a very COOL effect..but it was semi-formal..and odd sized
>> invisible concrete steps and high heels didnt seem to mesh very well.
>
>
> Mesh? They just couldn't get it into gear? ;-)

Watching well dressed women falling down concrete steps covered by fog
was a bit...scary.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/507d36381a50823d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:45 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:36:00 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6qgis59ofrvkq5130ncdfq0stcp20ctrvt@4ax.com...
>> On 17 Apr 2010 03:02:12 GMT, Eregon <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote:
>>
>>>"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>news:y6ydnRwbkc9eilTWnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> rangerssuck wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 16, 9:03 pm, Eregon <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote
>>>>>> innews:3sWdnbbPOr7_T1XWnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eregon wrote:
>>>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:1NmdnTTuEKz5XVXWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> California isn't spending beyond it's means at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then just *how* is the PRK in "financial difficulty"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because of the way revenues are levied/collected and mandated
>>>>>>> conditions on spending imposed through the ballot initiative
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IOW, the Democ-rats have the money but they can't buy votes with it?
>>>>>
>>>>> It couldn't possibly have anything to do with assholes like Gunner
>>>>> not paying their taxes and living on welfare, could it?
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of connected issues.
>>>> Californian's have passed ballot initiatives imposing mandatory
>>>> spending requirements as a percentage of revenues, and in some cases
>>>> dollars, for a number of things. There are things that can't legally
>>>> be cut.
>>>>
>>>> Californian's have passed ballot initiatives that make budget
>>>> surpluses illegal.
>>>> This guarantees that programs that are beneficial or even essential
>>>> are cut during the down years.
>>>>
>>>> Californian's have passed ballot initiatives limiting taxes in truly
>>>> odd ways. Proposition 13 is a perfect example.
>>>>
>>>> Californian's have passed ballot initiatives that require the State to
>>>> do things, like "Three Strikes", but haven't been willing to pay for
>>>> the consequences. The prison population in CA is expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Californian's have passed ballot initiatives that require a balanced
>>>> budget every year.
>>>>
>>>> Californian's have passed ballot initiatives term limiting most
>>>> politicians at the State level.
>>>> What we now have is elected officials out looking for their next gig
>>>> just about the time they get the hang of the job and they aren't above
>>>> being "helpful" to prospective employeers when required. In fact, it's
>>>> become a way of life. You learn your job during the first term and
>>>> then do whatever is necessary to secure employment when you are term
>>>> limited out of office.
>>>>
>>>> None of these involve corrupt or incompetent politicians.
>>>> We have that as well but not beyond what you'd expect anywhere else.
>>>> Californian's are reaping what they have unwittingly sewn.
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, it's stupidity not extravagance.
>>>> There is plenty of money around.
>>>>
>>>
>>>IOW, the nickname of the PRK - The Granola State: The Land of Fruits,
>>>Nuts, and Flakes - is accurate?
>>
>>
>> In the leftwing areas..very true indeed.
>>
>> Here is a voting map of California. Its mostly a Red State..in land
>> mass, but it has a number of Blue zones that are heavily Leftwing...and
>> they pull all the strings
>> http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008_election_county-by-county/2004-election-county-by-county/
>>
>> And of course...<G>
>>
>> http://theelectoralmap.com/2010/03/01/blue-states-most-in-debt/
>>
>
>California is no different than other States that have heavily concentrated
>liberal populations all sharing one common water supply. Hey, wait a
>minute...

<VBG>

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: OT- Pension funds
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/afda72696f150c7c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 2:46 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:47:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:06:08 -0500, the infamous F. George McDuffee
><gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:58:25 -0700, Larry Jaques
>><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>><snip>
>>>>It appears under ERSIA and the PBGC, some of the pension
>>>>obligations of these local/state governments may fall back on the
>>>>American taxpayers in the case of bankruptcy/conservatorship, at
>>>>least up to the PBGC limits. It all depends how the state/local
>>>>governmental pension plans are legally structured and controlled.
>>>>FWIW -- it appears that many of these plans have been "skimmed"
>>>>and "looted" just like the private pension plans.
>>>
>>>And we haven't heard of a clubbing, shooting, hanging, or
>>>tar-and-feathering of these folks yet. Interesting.
>><snip>
>>=============
>>
>>While this would offer a large amount of satisfaction to many
>>people, in the overall scheme of things, this would accomplish
>>nothing, in that the basic/foundational problem of spending
>>[promising] more than the [falling] governmental income can
>>possibly cover is not addressed.
>
>Are you sure, Unk? the replacement folks might be a bit more polite
>to the public in their fiscal actions.
>
>
>>It is well to remember that the responsibility/accountability for
>>this problem has become so diffused that no one, other than
>>possibly some long-term elected officials and the scam artists
>>who work with them, can be held personally accountable.
>
>Govvy members 1-525 sign bill, Govvy members 1-525 are responsible.
>The O assigns Cabinet Member 1-5, all of whom cheat on their taxes.
>All 6 are guilty of something. Period. It ain't rocket science, Unk.
>
>
>>It may well be that there is no "cure" in the sense that what we
>>are seeing is the natural evolution/development of human created
>>organizations. Old age and death are not pathological conditions
>>for living things, just the final phase, and this appears to also
>>be the case for artificial human constructs such as "government."
>
>Ooh, don't say that. <shiver>
>
>
>>It does however appear that certain legislative actions would be
>>very helpful such as prescribing the maximum and minimum numbers
>>of governmental employees by function as a fraction of the served
>>population, minimum and maximum service levels for different
>>types/classes of governments, such as public safety, social
>>services and education, per capita spending caps adjusted for
>>inflation, minimum population, etc. Other useful limitations
>>could include min/max limits on the size of the municipal
>>governmental units by both land area and population.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>
>>One of the more critical areas is the enactment of laws mandating
>>the reconstitution of bankrupt municipal/county governments,
>>possibly at a *MUCH* lower level of services and expenditures,
>>with the total replacement of existing elected and appointed
>>officials, *AFTER* a period of direct state control with full
>>forensic audits and formal legal investigation to determine
>>exactly what went wrong (and where the money went).
>
>"Who to hang" audits, wot?
>
>
>>It would appear that considerable improvement in debt management
>>could also be obtained by requiring a minimum of three bona fide
>>bids on governmental bond issuance, and the prohibition of credit
>>default and interest rate swaps, for federal tax exemption of the
>>municipal bond interest income. Another improvement would be the
>>replacement of the "custom" or "bespoke" municipal bond contracts
>>with a plain vanilla contract with standardized terms and
>>conditions. This would eliminate a considerable legal expense
>>and make the bidding process much easier.
>
>They could also do away with highest possible union member (maximum
>possible spending) on wages for every public job. I'd have to hire
>people (laborers!) at twice -my- going rate to do any govvy
>construction jobs because some useless Union idiot in Portland is
>making that.
>
>
>>When pigs fly....
>
>After Gunner's Cull?

There will be many job openings then.

At least for dozer operators.

<VBG>

Gunner

>
>---
>A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
>because the experience of reading is not passive.
> --Erica Jong

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: "We found them squeaky clean"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 3:25 am
From: "Buerste"

"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
news:5hjis5dhcb1di7tc2sho97s141496oflpr@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:38:50 -0700, the infamous "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> <Paul@Hovnanian.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>Hawke wrote:
>>>
>>> That is what the Royal Society panel assigned to look into the climate
>>> researchers supposedly guilty of lying about climate change found after
>>> looking into the matter. "Climategate" as it was called has been found
>>> to be no more valid than "whitewater" was. The only thing the scientists
>>> were guilty of was sloppy record keeping but not bad science.
>>
>>Sloppy record keeping IS bad science.
>
> Have Parakeet tell that to, um...(oh, who's the guy at CRU who stepped
> down?) Phil Jones, who admitted to manipulating (falsifying) climate
> data. "Lost" is data supporting CRU theories of global warming. Who
> could have guessed that might happen? He's no scientist; he's a
> freakin' politician who got caught and AFAIK, isn't in prison for it,
> either.
>
> ---

Take it easy on poor Hawke, his Socialist Utopia is already kaput. His
liberul politicians are destine to lose the House, Senate, Governors, Mayors
and Dog Catchers. AND his climate scam has been exposed to the world and
those idiots are nothing more than comic relief. So, he's doubled-up on his
anti-depressants and "mood enhancers". THEN, he knows all the socialist
damage his heroes have done will be quickly reversed after November.

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TOPIC: Karl, what do you think about this kit
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03393350cf311ee5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 3:58 am
From: "RogerN"

"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
news:m9jis5ln00jfnfi5robmuvrgji3vfqltem@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:24:24 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
> <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>
<snip>
>>To follow on to that, the next incremental step up from open-loop
>>stepper control, is DC brush servo control with step/dir drives such as
>>the Gecko drives. These provide closed-loop servo control and a fault
>>shutdown signal to the control (like Mach3) to stop motion instantly if
>>the servo error exceeds the threshold. Since it is servos, it has the
>>peak overload capability of servos, the speed of servos and since it has
>>the position encoders, it has the closed-loop of servos. The only thing
>>it lacks is the encoder position feedback to the control software, but
>>since it has the fault output, this lack is of little practical
>>difference for normal use. This setup eliminates the problems with
>>open-loop stepper control that Karl mentioned, without the expense of
>>industrial grade servos, drives and motion control cards.
>
> Do you have knowledge of any fairly inexpensive systems on the market
> built like this?
>

Software wise there is Mach3 that runs on a Windows system or EMC2 (free)
that runs on Linux (free). I went with EMC2 because with it I can use
hardware compatible with my existing servos and drives. My servo drives
take a +-10V signal and position is sensed by encoders. Last time I looked
I believe Mach3 only had step and direction outputs. EMC2 can be configured
for step and direction or analog signal outputs and they can be mixed and
matched. For example with my mill I plan to convert, I have 3 axis servo
motors and would like to motorize a dividing head with a stepper motor and
drive I already have. Plus if I add an encoder to my mill spindle then I
can do rigid taping.

Something I would like to do sometime is configure a stepper axis and use
position feedback, either DRO scales or a rotary encoder. I know with
steppers, if they slip and get behind, speeding up isn't usually the
solution, but at least I could fault on position error and not scrap the
part. I would like to figure out how to do a feed rate override and slow
down the feed if an axis got behind.

EMC2 is very configurable and that also means it has to be configured, but
it isn't that difficult because there are multiple configurations already
done, you just pick something close and modify it for your application. For
example for a stepper mill, the example may use a different number of steps
per inch (or mm)or may use limit switches or maybe not. For my system I
wired an encoder to my breakout board and played around with settings to
learn how things worked. Once you pick a similar configuration and look it
over, it starts to make sense and is easy enough to figure out.

RogerN

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:16 am
From: Wes

Ignoramus22048 <ignoramus22048@NOSPAM.22048.invalid> wrote:

>I feel the same way. But the mill is taller than my garage door and it
>needs to go in tilted. I will weld a special carriage for it starting
>this weekend.

Iggy,

Are you involving your son in this? Gotta be more interesting then me watching/helping
grandpa with painting and plumbing as a child.

Wes

Interesting people had interested parents.

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TOPIC: Again a psych test would have prevented this senseless slaughter
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d16687e6efb0719a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:33 am
From: Zombywoof

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:23:11 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

>On 4/16/2010 11:50 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> Until passing a psych test is a requirement for purchasing and owning
>> a gun, the senseless slaughter of Americans will continue.
>
>Ten times as many people are killed by health care workers and Doctors
>via incompetence neglect.
>
That almost happened to me last weekend. I knew I shouldn't have gone
to the ER unarmed!
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:34 am
From: Zombywoof

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:49:00 +0000 (UTC), falk@green.rahul.net (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

>In article <509fec7d-a989-4254-a4e6-582f7535c229@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>A psych test requirement would have prevented the deaths.
>
>How? Was it not already illegal for him to own a gun?
>
Yes, but we need to make it double secret illegal.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:39 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Need to pass a law against owning illegal guns.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Zombywoof" <fishwings@live.com> wrote in message
news:n47js5pkoenn7m0pbcgv3budtbngs8qruv@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:49:00 +0000 (UTC),
falk@green.rahul.net (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

>In article
><509fec7d-a989-4254-a4e6-582f7535c229@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>A psych test requirement would have prevented the deaths.
>
>How? Was it not already illegal for him to own a gun?
>
Yes, but we need to make it double secret illegal.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:49 am
From: Otay

On 4/16/2010 11:50 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Until passing a psych test is a requirement for purchasing and owning
> a gun, the senseless slaughter of Americans will continue.
>
> And considering that owning a gun without proper mental screening
> places a family at greater risk, some of the mentally challenged who
> post on Usenet are a daily threat to their family.
>
> Is it you?
>
> TMT
>
> Wis. man charged with killing 4 relatives in Ill.
> By DON BABWIN, Associated Press Writer Don Babwin, Associated Press
> Writer
> Thu Apr 15, 11:21 pm ET
>
> CHICAGO – A Wisconsin man was charged Thursday with killing his
> pregnant wife, infant son and two nieces in a shooting spree at a
> Chicago home that also left his mother and nephew wounded, authorities
> said.
>
> James Larry, 32, of Madison, Wis., was charged with four counts of
> first-degree murder, four counts of attempted first-degree murder and
> two counts of intentional homicide of an unborn child. Officials said
> both his wife and teenage niece were pregnant.
>
> Larry told police following his arrest early Wednesday that he heard
> voices encouraging him to kill his family and was sorry he had run out
> of bullets, a person close to the investigation told The Associated
> Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not
> authorized to discuss the investigation.
>
> The Cook County Medical Examiner's office said Thursday that Larry's
> 19-year-old wife, Tawanda Thompson, and their 7-month-old son, Jahod
> Larry, were among those shot to death before 5 a.m. Wednesday. Larry's
> nieces, 3-year-old Keleasha Larry and 16-year-old Keyshai Fields, also
> were killed. Thompson and Fields were pregnant, the office said.

Obviously Obama voter. maybe we need a psych test before dems can vote.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:56 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 16, 5:16 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> A psych test requirement would have prevented the deaths.
>
> Better reread the article so you understand the situation.
>
> TMT

Join your high school debating team. They will help you in
understanding logical arguments.

Dan

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:37 am
From: Wes

"Phil Kangas" <pkangas@alphacomm.net> wrote:

>Aw yes, it's spring! Time to fire up on projects again and
>enjoy life!
>Have another fine day tomorrow, eih? ;>))
>phil
>

Spring is for metalworking? I got my machine room done in time so I could make chips
comfortably in the winter. I *thought* I was going to shop for an air conditioner today
for the shop but winter came back. I can put that off for another week.

What sized air conditioner do I need for a roughly 8' x 12' shop where summer temperatures
seldom get over 90 degrees F? There is a lot of thermal mass in the shop that might skew
what would be recommended for something of volume like a bed room.

As an aside, my first google came up with response on how big a air conditioner to deal
with the heat from the grow lights in the room some guy is growing mary jane. You never
know what you will find DAGS.

As to my needs, I'm thinking 3500-5000 btu, I'd rather have something quite that just
whirls away a bit on a hot day, sure don't want to sweat and freeze as something to big
kicks on.

Thanks,

Wes

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 6:12 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 17, 7:37 am, Wes <ClutchAtLycosDot...@Gmail.com> wrote:

> What sized air conditioner do I need for a roughly 8' x 12' shop where summer temperatures
> seldom get over 90 degrees F? There is a lot of thermal mass in the shop that might skew
> what would be recommended for something of volume like a bed room.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wes

If it has a lot of thermal mass, you could put it on a timer and run
it at night when the outside temperature is lower. Get the shop so it
is a little on the cool side and then a small unit would work to keep
it cool.

Dan

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TOPIC: Q on Surplus Tool Place - Altoona-Tyrone, PA
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d18278f809d3f672?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:31 am
From: GeoLane at PTD dot NET

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:20:04 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The Chamber of Commerce, or Better Business Bureau in that
>area might know. Or you could ring up a couple machine shops
>or auto parts places, and ask.

Probably not. Tyrone is a pretty small town. Surplus places like
that weren't likely to be members of a Chamber of Commerce and it
wasn't in Tyrone proper. It was somewhere along Rt 220 closer to
Tyrone than Altoona, but it's the kind of place that the local metal
workers would know. It had piles of end mills and drills and you
bought things by the pound. I may be in the area in the next couple
of months and wanted to stop if it was still there, but the side trip
would be a waste if it was long gone.

RWL

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