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TOPIC: Teabaggers in heaven
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 4:39 pm
From: D Murphy

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:ji1hs599vsrs52m1fhbop9o1oip8t1igaj@4ax.com:

> http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/06/exxon-tax/
> "ExxonMobil paid no federal income tax in 2009."

Corporations don't pay taxes, they collect them from us.

> [
> Last week, Forbes magazine published what the top U.S. corporations
> paid in taxes last year. "Most egregious," Forbes notes, is General
> Electric, which "generated $10.3 billion in pretax income, but ended
> up owing nothing to Uncle Sam. In fact, it recorded a tax benefit of
> $1.1 billion."

No big surprise here. GE owns Obama.

> Big Oil giant Exxon Mobil, which last year reported a
> record $45.2 billion profit, paid the most taxes of any corporation,
> but none of it went to the IRS: [
> Exxon tries to limit the tax pain with the help of 20 wholly owned
> subsidiaries domiciled in the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands
> that (legally) shelter the cash flow from operations in the likes of
> Angola, Azerbaijan and Abu Dhabi. No wonder that of $15 billion in
> income taxes last year, Exxon paid none of it to Uncle Sam, and has
> tens of billions in earnings permanently reinvested overseas.
>]
> Mother Jones' Adam Weinstein notes that, despite benefiting from
> corporate welfare in the U.S., Exxon complains about paying high
> taxes, claiming that it threatens energy innovation research. Pat
> Garofalo at the Wonk Room notes that big corporations' tax shelter
> practices similar to Exxon's shift a $100 billion annual tax burden
> onto U.S. taxpayers. In fact, in 2008, the Government Accountability
> Office found that "two out of every three United States corporations
> paid no federal income taxes from 1998 through 2005."
>]
>

Adam Weinstein ought to do his own research instead of relying on a
blogger at Forbes that can't read a balance sheet.

http://blogs.forbes.com/energysource/2010/04/07/exxon-says-it-does-pay-
u-s-income-taxes/

[Exxon Says It Does Pay U.S. Income TaxesApril 7, 2010 - 3:44 pmShare59
Christopher HelmanBio | Email
Christopher Helman is an Associate Editor at Forbes, based in Houston

Recently we published the story "What the Top U.S. Companies Pay In
Taxes," and a related blog post, "Big Oil's Tax Bill." What's received
the most attention from readers and bloggers was our assertion that
ExxonMobil, despite recording more than $15 billion in income taxes,
"paid none of its 2009 income taxes in the U.S."

Although I came up with that by reading the company's annual 10-k filing
with the SEC, ExxonMobil spokesman Alan Jeffers assures me that this is
wrong, that Exxon did indeed pay substantial income taxes to the U.S.
Treasury in 2009, and that it overpaid taxes in 2008. How much? Well,
Jeffers says so far he's not at liberty to disclose that information.
"That's not something we're required to disclose, nor do we."

So what gives? Jeffers explains that what ExxonMobil reports in its
annual consolidated financial statements is just accounting, that the
numbers reflect expenses or credits recorded throughout the year and "do
not represent our tax bill," which has not yet been filed, let alone
settled. The financial results listed in the 10-k "is an accurate
reflection of what it is, but not what you thought it was," says
Jeffers.

What the financial statement says is that ExxonMobil, in 2009, after a
handful of deferrals, recorded a total U.S. income tax benefit (i.e., a
refund) of $46 million. Next to this, it shows total non-U.S. income
taxes of $15.165 billion.

My mistake was in thinking that these figures somehow reflected actual
tax benefits and liabilities. So what we should have written was that
ExxonMobil "recorded" no U.S. income taxes for 2009 instead of "paid."
All you re-bloggers out there, please note the clarification. Mea culpa.

And for all you commenters outraged that Exxon isn't paying taxes in the
U.S., don't worry, it is. Our article only focused on income taxes, but
it's worth noting that the 10-k also records $7.7 billion in other taxes
in the U.S. (like sales taxes) and more than $50 billion of other taxes
and duties paid (I mean recorded) overseas.

There's a lingering issue here. If Exxon's income tax line items don't
mean what they say, then what does that imply about other important
stuff? Are "earnings after income taxes," really $19.28 billion? Are
earnings per share really $3.99? Does it all wash out? We've asked Exxon
to explain and will let you know what they say.]

Dan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 5:29 pm
From: cop welfare

teabagger heaven?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjY7JQrWtaA

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TOPIC: OT- Pension funds
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 5:41 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Wes wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>>> No, they exist because government isn't responding to a significant
>>> part of the populations interests.
>>
>> They exist because they think getting organized and changing the
>> result at the polls is doable.
>
> Every 2 years we can make changes, bigger changes in 4 year cycles.

But it isn't a five minute deal Wes.
It takes years to groom a real politician and the people doing the grooming
are the electorate.
This is something that has changed a lot over the course of my lifetime.
I met Bob Barr and Dave Bonier because I was introduced by people farther up
the political food chain.
A lot farther up.
The purose of those introductions, and others, was to build a base and also
to ferret out up and coming politicians that didn't cut it.
There is a lot less of that sort of thing in todays world. The old geezers
want to hang on forever and are threatened by the young and ambitious.

>
>> They are mad because they are out of power and what is getting done
>> isn't what THEY want done.
>> Anytime the tea baggers want to draw a weapon to make changes,
>> they'll end up either dead or in jail.
>
> The Tea Party types are not violent. They are very well behaved
> people that have had enough and are protesting. Where do you get the
> drawing weapons crap?

There are two ways to make changes. Inside by exercising the rights and
responsibilities of any citizen, and revolt.
Michelle Bachman said that our country was being run by "Gangster
Government" today. It's hard to reconcile that with the fact that she is our
government. That makes her a "Gangster".

>And if your use of tea bagger is like using
> the word nigger. When one resorts to calling people vulgar names
> because you don't agree or like them, one has lost the argument.

Hey, they took the name for themselves. You have to remember that the Tea
Bag Express is a corporation.
It exists to provide a revenue stream to the public relations group that
spawned it.

>
>>
>> We had an election Wes, several actually. The winners are carrying
>> out the agenda they ran on and they are doing it within the limits
>> of what is possible using the tools our government and the law
>> provide. Statements to the contrary, and there are a lot of those,
>> are idiocy.
>> That idiocy can be tested in the Courts.
>
> Yes, we had an election. President Obama ran an awesome campaign and
> didn't slide in on a squeaker. That is about the only good thing I
> have to say about the last general election.

The result is what counts and you can deny it all you want but that result
reflected the will of those that participated in the election.
Buyers remorse is correctable.

>
> It also means there will be another election 2 years later, half way
> into his term. This is where the people provide positive or negative
> feedback to the political system. From the current administration
> perspective, I'm of the opinion it will be negative but positive from
> mine.
>
>
>>
>>> When you see mostly conservative
>>> types out protesting, it is a clue that government is on the wrong
>>> track.
>>
>> America has never been, isn't now, and probably never will be a
>> country of angry white men.
>
> 89% of the tea party are white. 11% are not. That is according to
> the NY Times, not Fox news. As to angry white men, who do you think
> the founding fathers were? A bunch of Latino's?

No but they weren't just "angry". In fact, they weren't very angry at all.
What they were was pretty rational. Not all of them, but most.

>
>> Not for long anyway.
>> That is what the Tea Party is. That and a revenue stream.
>
> Money in politics? What a shock!

The money is flowing in the other direction Wes. Out of "political" events,
not into politics.

>>
>>
>>> It is the left that likes to protest at the drop of a hat on
>>> any issue. My uncle, 68 years of age went to a tea party event, his
>>> first time ever at a protest. I had to work, it could have been a
>>> twofer.
>>
>> I wish you could have gone. It would have affirmed, just like the
>> rest of the T.P.er's do, that you believe our government really does
>> work. That isn't what anyone says of course, but actions speak
>> louder than words.
>
> I believe government is starting to hit the rocks. Dishonest
> accounting is coming home to roost. Fox had a lot of funs with that
> Pastor and 'Chickens coming home to roost' statement but I really
> think he had something going on there.
>
>>
>> Believe me Wes, I hear this stupid shit out here in California every
>> day. "Government doesn't work", "The peoples will is being
>> subverted", Blah Blah Blah. My answer, which you well know, is that
>> it's lazy assed piss poor voters that are the problem.
>
> There is a point I can agree with. A re-occurring topic at the
> family dinner table is the lack of character in many people. When
> politicians promise bread and circuses, don't be surprised those
> without character vote them in.

When politicians can't get elected on that sort of stuff, they'll quit
trying.\
See my comments above. The making of a politician isn't usually a shake and
bake process.
Well, it didn't used to be.

>
>>
>> There is not now, nor will there ever be, a substitute for a well
>> informed, well educated and actively involved electorate.
>> Period.
>
> Another point I can agree with. However the system works on turn
> out. I really hate that way of working elections. Just let those
> that really care show up and vote. But no, we have groups that round
> up people that normally would never vote and get them to the polls
> with a little cheat sheet to help them vote.

Well SURE!
LMAO
WTF do you think real political activism is Wes?
This sort of thing isn't something to be "guilty" of - it's what you DO...
That's the real business of political activism and one reason the Tea Party
might not accomplish much.
They are sure raising hell in Republican ranks though. Bennet is toast and
so is Charlie Crist.
It's a Mexican firing squad - you know - where the shooters are circled and
end up killing themselves.

I'm about six or eight months from calling the 2012 election Wes but my
instinct at this point is that Obama/Biden are going to cream Romney/Palin.

--
John R. Carroll

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:27 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Wes" <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:994yn.219411$rq1.214888@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
> "azotic" <azotic@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> There was an interesting piece recently about some podunk town and their
>>> new
>>> waste treatment plant.
>>> I can't remember where I saw it but it had to do with the scams (all
>>> legal)
>>> that were run on local governments.
>>> In the instance I viewed, several city council members might end up in
>>> jail.
>>
>>I think this is the story:
>>
>>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32906678/looting_main_street/1
>>
>>
>>A very intresting read.
>
>
> Sure was. If the story was true, there should be a RICO prosecution of
> the bank.
>
> Wes

Wes, that's banks doing bank business. That's what freewheeling competition
in the financial industry breeds. It's another case of market failure.

And Matt Taibbi, as much as I love his writing, sometimes runs a little over
the top with his interpretations of the facts. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 8:35 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Wes" <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:994yn.219411$rq1.214888@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> "azotic" <azotic@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> There was an interesting piece recently about some podunk town and
>>>> their new
>>>> waste treatment plant.
>>>> I can't remember where I saw it but it had to do with the scams
>>>> (all legal)
>>>> that were run on local governments.
>>>> In the instance I viewed, several city council members might end
>>>> up in jail.
>>>
>>> I think this is the story:
>>>
>>>
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32906678/looting_main_street/1
>>>
>>>
>>> A very intresting read.
>>
>>
>> Sure was. If the story was true, there should be a RICO prosecution
>> of the bank.
>>
>> Wes
>
> Wes, that's banks doing bank business. That's what freewheeling
> competition in the financial industry breeds. It's another case of
> market failure.
>
> And Matt Taibbi, as much as I love his writing, sometimes runs a
> little over the top with his interpretations of the facts. d8-)

Hey Ed.
Pretty funny that 41 Republican's sent off their anti-reform letter on the
same day Goldman got popped don't you think.
The letter preceded the indictment by a couple of hours.
I laughed so hard thinking of how Boehner, and especially McConnell, were
probably cursing everything in sight I nearly peed my pants.
You couldn't make this stuff up.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Homophobes, racists or morons
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Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 6:04 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

RogerN wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:-qadnQ0JloEwXVXWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> rangerssuck wrote:
>>> On Apr 16, 6:53 am, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>>> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:hq8qqa$tdg$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/2010 3:53 AM, RogerN wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Can you give us some examples of things that were prophesied in
>>>>> the Bible that have actually come true? I know you can give us all
>>>>> kinds of prophesies of things that are supposedly going to happen
>>>>> some day. But how about giving us some examples where they made
>>>>> prophesies and they actually came to pass. I think this will stump
>>>>> you as I know of no prophesy that has actually come true.
>>>>
>>>>> Hawke
>>>>
>>>> I have to head for work in a few minutes so I'll just paste some
>>>> links.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://www.100prophecies.org/http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-biblehttp://www.therefinersfire.org/recent_prophecy.htmhttp://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htmhttp://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible-prophecies-fulfilled.htmhttp://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/messianic.htm
>>>>
>>>> RogerN
>>>
>>> Ao, I clicked on the first link inside the first of your links, and
>>> the first prophesy that it claims has been filled (many times over,
>>> no less) is "No one will know the hour or the day of Jesus'
>>> return." Oh give me a fucking break. If that counts for anything,
>>> then I am a prophet par exellance.
>>
>> Me too.
>> Now, send along a tithe will ya'.
>> LOL
>>
>> --
>> John R. Carroll
>
> If the best you geniuses can do is ignore 99 fulfilled and pay
> attention to one being fulfilled then that's pretty good evidence of
> my position.

LOL
Not really Roger.
It's evidence of my right to call 'em as I see them instead of as you do.
That doesn't prove anything.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Heat/air for small garage/shop
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Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 5:09 pm
From: Gerald Miller

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:13:02 -0700 (PDT), stryped <stryped1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 15, 9:49 pm, "Greg O" <goo1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:4BC66CAD.78A12390@earthlink.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > stryped wrote:
>>
>> >> This is a system where the air handler, compressor everythign sit
>> >> outside. I think they are called a "package" system. Basically the
>> >> whole thing sits outside.
>>
>> > They are made for 'Mobile Homes'.
>>
>> They are not specifically for mobile homes. You see them alot in southern
>> states, on typical framed homes, also they are very simular to commercial
>> roof top units.
>> As to the OP. Set it on the ground, and cut a couple holes for supply and
>> return duct through the wall. as for the $300 price tag, it seems steep to
>> me. Maybe you can get the seller to make a bit of duct work to get through
>> the wall for the same price.
>> Greg
>
>I found a 2005 Bryant package unit for 500 delivered to me.
>
>I am still having trouble invisioning how the dict would run from the
>unit.
Hasn't anyone heard of nude metalworking?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

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TOPIC: OT - I think Gunner should run for office on the Teabagger Ticket
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 5:18 pm
From: Strabo

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:06 pm, Klaus Shadenfreude <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> [Default] On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:58:12 -0500, Nicholas
>> <Lawrence_Glick...@comcast.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>
>>> Not relevant...just a curiosity. Means nothing to me one way or the
>>> other, just too long ago for me to remember any details. Furthermore,
>>> crossing State Lines for the purpose of committing HOMICIDE is a
>>> Federal Offense that will get you on America's 10 Most Wanted with the
>>> FBI. In other words, your Life as you have known it is _over_. I
>>> don't know anyone who is worth trading my Life for at the moment.
>>> Maybe my family. Beyond that? nobody.
>> That was never TMT's intent. He never intended to actually carry out
>> his threats.
>
> What threats?
>
> You just invited Gunner...what's the status?
>
> Will Sarah Palin be there too?
>
> Is there a threesome planned?
>
> I hear she can see Russia from her favorite position.
>
> TMT
>

You'll have a great send-off.

After years of your insufferable posts, 500, maybe 1000 posters will
show up.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 5:54 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> You do know that I live in The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia...right?
>
> We have plenty of leftwingers within this state. Ooodles of them.

Imported fresh, daily from their facility in Mexico.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:39 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:54:33 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> You do know that I live in The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia...right?
>>
>> We have plenty of leftwingers within this state. Ooodles of them.
>
>
> Imported fresh, daily from their facility in Mexico.

Nah..most of the illegal latiinos coming into the US are from the
poorest areas of Mexico. They are more than willing to be pure
Capitalists.

But they are breaking the law(s) in doing this and should not be allowed
to do so.

Unless those that think they should, will turn a blind eye to the mass
killings of Leftwingers?

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 5:21 pm
From: Hawke

That is what the Royal Society panel assigned to look into the climate
researchers supposedly guilty of lying about climate change found after
looking into the matter. "Climategate" as it was called has been found
to be no more valid than "whitewater" was. The only thing the scientists
were guilty of was sloppy record keeping but not bad science. So the
allegations against the scientists were bogus, the scientists were
honest, and once again the right wing deniers are shown to be the shills
for energy producing polluters. As usual, the right wing liars and
deniers of reality are shown for what they are, a bunch of crooked con
men. Ho hum, nothing new here.

Hawke

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 5:38 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

Hawke wrote:
>
> That is what the Royal Society panel assigned to look into the climate
> researchers supposedly guilty of lying about climate change found after
> looking into the matter. "Climategate" as it was called has been found
> to be no more valid than "whitewater" was. The only thing the scientists
> were guilty of was sloppy record keeping but not bad science.

Sloppy record keeping IS bad science.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
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IRS: We've got what it takes to take what you've got.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 6:03 pm
From: Eregon

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
news:3sWdnbbPOr7_T1XWnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Eregon wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>> news:1NmdnTTuEKz5XVXWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> California isn't spending beyond it's means at all.
>>
>> Then just *how* is the PRK in "financial difficulty"?
>
> Because of the way revenues are levied/collected and mandated
> conditions on spending imposed through the ballot initiative process.
>

IOW, the Democ-rats have the money but they can't buy votes with it?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 6:28 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 16, 9:03 pm, Eregon <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote innews:3sWdnbbPOr7_T1XWnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> > Eregon wrote:
> >> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
> >>news:1NmdnTTuEKz5XVXWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> >>> California isn't spending beyond it's means at all.
>
> >> Then just *how* is the PRK in "financial difficulty"?
>
> > Because of the way revenues are levied/collected and mandated
> > conditions on spending imposed through the ballot initiative process.
>
> IOW, the Democ-rats have the money but they can't buy votes with it?

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with assholes like Gunner not
paying their taxes and living on welfare, could it?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 8:07 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

rangerssuck wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:03 pm, Eregon <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote
>> innews:3sWdnbbPOr7_T1XWnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Eregon wrote:
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
>>>> news:1NmdnTTuEKz5XVXWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>>>> California isn't spending beyond it's means at all.
>>
>>>> Then just *how* is the PRK in "financial difficulty"?
>>
>>> Because of the way revenues are levied/collected and mandated
>>> conditions on spending imposed through the ballot initiative
>>> process.
>>
>> IOW, the Democ-rats have the money but they can't buy votes with it?
>
> It couldn't possibly have anything to do with assholes like Gunner not
> paying their taxes and living on welfare, could it?

There are a number of connected issues.
Californian's have passed ballot initiatives imposing mandatory spending
requirements as a percentage of revenues, and in some cases dollars, for a
number of things. There are things that can't legally be cut.

Californian's have passed ballot initiatives that make budget surpluses
illegal.
This guarantees that programs that are beneficial or even essential are cut
during the down years.

Californian's have passed ballot initiatives limiting taxes in truly odd
ways. Proposition 13 is a perfect example.

Californian's have passed ballot initiatives that require the State to do
things, like "Three Strikes", but haven't been willing to pay for the
consequences. The prison population in CA is expensive.

Californian's have passed ballot initiatives that require a balanced budget
every year.

Californian's have passed ballot initiatives term limiting most politicians
at the State level.
What we now have is elected officials out looking for their next gig just
about the time they get the hang of the job and they aren't above being
"helpful" to prospective employeers when required. In fact, it's become a
way of life. You learn your job during the first term and then do whatever
is necessary to secure employment when you are term limited out of office.

None of these involve corrupt or incompetent politicians.
We have that as well but not beyond what you'd expect anywhere else.
Californian's are reaping what they have unwittingly sewn.

Like I said, it's stupidity not extravagance.
There is plenty of money around.

--
John R. Carroll

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 6:06 pm
From: "Phil Kangas"

"Steve B" <> wrote in message
> Today, I fixed my Stanley distance calculator roller. I
> had broken off the POS plastic housing, so wrapped it in
> 22ga. steel, and then welded a piece of conduit on it for
> a NEW handle. I'm thinking of going to Ace and getting a
> racy handlebar cover for the end of the conduit, but don't
> want to appear too professional. But it does help when
> that roller wants to torque out of your hands because of
> resistance to measuring asphalt. It's time to show that
> roller who is in charge!
>
> Then, I took my $10 garage sale trailer, and made some
> side posts from high grade treated lumber. The stake
> pockets were exactly the size to receive 2 x 4 (Actually 1
> 5/8 x 3 1/2" for the newbies), and then used 2" x 6 "
> treated lumber for the side rails. Well, actually 1 5/8"
> x 5 1/2" for the uninformed. Then I used the
> heretoforementioned 2 x 4's and a 2 x 12 for the small
> strip at the head of the trailer. 2 x 12 not actual
> size..............
>
> Then, I worked on my MIG cart, welding on the bottle
> holder, and the welder holder, and deciding to use some
> cheapo red plastic bungees with the black balls on them,
> just to help hold the cords on the cart. I fully intend
> to add baskets to the cart that will hold grinders,
> markers, squares, etc. I also fully intend to weld hooks
> on it to hold my NexGen EQC autodark hood and colorful
> Comeaux caps. Ditto for the cables. But, I don't want to
> do that until I use the cart, and find out where exactly
> these should be placed on the MIG cart. It does roll well
> on my wood floor of the container, but I need to blow out
> the blowsand that blew in with the last blow. Seems to be
> pretty sturdy, though, with a low center of gravity.
>
> Then I just putzed around in the shop. You know, putting
> pliers back in the pliers drawer of the tool cabinet.
> Ditto for the wrenches. Throwing away an astounding
> amount of trash and flammables ...............
>
> I did put pigtails on three ATVs so that I can put a float
> charger on them and keep them charged easily instead of
> having to dismantle them to the frame to get regular
> charging clamps on there. I used the two prong NAPA
> connectors, if you're interested.
>
> Anyway, I just wanted to share a day in the life of a real
> metalworker, who's out there doing it and not sitting
> around talking about bullshit political shit all day.
>
> YMMV
>
> Steve
>

Aw yes, it's spring! Time to fire up on projects again and
enjoy life!
Have another fine day tomorrow, eih? ;>))
phil

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:16 pm
From: "William Wixon"

i did some metalworkish kind of stuff this past week and finished it and
erected it today.

you might remember last year i did this silly thing.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~wwixon/tirealien.jpg

we're doing another "litter pick up day" here tomorrow in my little town. 4
miles of road that borders/intersects 600 acres of historic farmland the
land owner wants to convert into a 300 unit condo development. some local
residents created a "save our hamlet" organization. we pick up the litter
along those roads as an expression of our love and concern for that parcel
of land. we'd like to keep it agriculture, hopefully interest a vineyard.
or if not agricultrue, how about a sculpture park similar to the storm king
art center? http://www.stormking.org/

well, so, this year i did another tire "sculpture" (from teh tires that had
been dumped there for the past 40 years.)

http://www.frontiernet.net/~wwixon/tirerobot.jpg

i think this one is a bit overwrought, but i got a chuckle from it anyhow.
the wind spinners are from the domed bottoms of spray paint rattle cans (i
DID some welding on the posts they're attached to). i used discarded neon
tubes, glued colored marbles (from inside paint rattle cans) on the ends.
found a mirror alongside the road and cut it into 5/8" squares and glued 'em
on. found the aluminum and glass domes in a dumpster. someone threw a roll
of aluminum foil alongside the road we're going to pick up along and i was
like, it was a gift from god, saying "here, use this too". i wanted to put
LEDs in the glass tubes and projecting onto the dome (to light it up at
night), but am too cheap and due to poor planning didn't have them on hand
in time. http://graffitiresearchlab.com/projects/led-throwies/

the tire alien STILL hasn't been vandalized, which to me is a TOTAL miracle.
i'm afraid this new one won't last the night... hopefully it will last
until tomorrow morning when we do the pick up so the participants can see it
and hopefully get a chuckle too.

i left the robot in a spot that traditionally gets a lot of dumping.
hopefully it might deter some. i tidied up that area a couple days ago in
preparation for this weekend. today i noticed someone had taken a SHIT
there and left the toilet paper there too. i assumed that was a commentary
on our efforts.

b.w.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 6:10 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <3486af82-329f-43e6-8d14-946db7a54022
@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>, too_many_tools@yahoo.com says...

> Court records indicate Larry has an arrest record dating to 1995 for
> battery, drug possession, resisting arrest and escape, said Andy
> Conklin, spokesman for the Cook County, Ill., state's attorney's
> office.
>
> Larry was sentenced in 2002 to almost six years in federal prison
> after pleading guilty to possessing a firearm as a felon. Paroled in
> April 2007, he stayed out of trouble for about a year before he was
> sentenced to three months in a halfway house after he admitted smoking
> marijuana.
>

Felon in posession...
Tell us again how he purchased it legally ?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:07 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 16, 4:20 pm, Klaus Shadenfreude <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> [Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:16:19 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 16, 11:39 am, Klaus Shadenfreude <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> [Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> >> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
> >> >Until passing a psych test is a requirement for purchasing and owning
> >> >a gun, the senseless slaughter of Americans will continue.
>
> >> Prove it.
>
> > [crickets.wav]
>
> Well? Still waiting.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So are we...where are your guns?

TMT

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:23 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 4/16/2010 11:50 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Until passing a psych test is a requirement for purchasing and owning
> a gun, the senseless slaughter of Americans will continue.

Ten times as many people are killed by health care workers and Doctors
via incompetence neglect.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:26 pm
From: Klaus Shadenfreude

[Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:07:36 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:

>On Apr 16, 4:20 pm, Klaus Shadenfreude <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> [Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:16:19 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Apr 16, 11:39 am, Klaus Shadenfreude <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> [Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>> >> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>
>> >> >Until passing a psych test is a requirement for purchasing and owning
>> >> >a gun, the senseless slaughter of Americans will continue.
>>
>> >> Prove it.
>>
>> > [crickets.wav]
>>
>> Well? Still waiting.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>So are we...where are your guns?

> Until passing a psych test is a requirement for purchasing and
> owning a gun, the senseless slaughter of Americans will continue.
>>
Prove it.

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TOPIC: Q on Surplus Tool Place - Altoona-Tyrone, PA
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d18278f809d3f672?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 6:37 pm
From: GeoLane at PTD dot NET

There used to be (25 years ago before I moved) a good surplus tool
place on Rt 220 south of Tyrone on the way to Altoona. Is it still
there? I may be going out that way and want to stop if it's still
around.

RWL

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:20 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

The Chamber of Commerce, or Better Business Bureau in that
area might know. Or you could ring up a couple machine shops
or auto parts places, and ask.

I'm in NYS, so I don't get there.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

<GeoLane at PTD dot NET> wrote in message
news:ot3is5tdrqn123fliv88boc6sv1ohuqga3@4ax.com...
There used to be (25 years ago before I moved) a good
surplus tool
place on Rt 220 south of Tyrone on the way to Altoona. Is
it still
there? I may be going out that way and want to stop if it's
still
around.

RWL

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:20 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:26:42 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
<hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 12, 6:59 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:a036457d-5c2d-4d71-a91e-d36d9bb10ea7@u21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 12, 12:58 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> > "Lookout" <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:qvj6s5tu4k1stqs96kh06fcne2hc0donv7@4ax.com...
>>
>> > > Maybe if she wrote them on her tits I'd pay more attention to her.
>>
>> > Don't defile those tits! They're the best thing the Republicans have going
>> > for them. Well, that and her ass.
>>
>> > --
>> > Ed Huntress
>> >Nice legs, too. MmMmmmm.
>>
>> What more could a redneck want? Hell, she'll get 30% of the vote on T&A and
>> legs alone. If she ever says anything that makes some sense, who knows?
>> Maybe 32%.
>
>So for a person so unlikely to win, shouldn't the press just sit back
>and be quiet and hope she gets the republican nomination?
>
>But they're not doing that, are they?
>
>I think they're scared shitless that she'll topple 0bama.
>

Indeed they are.

<VBG>

Gunner

>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 16 2010 7:22 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Sure got me! that meat hanger looked a lot like a necktie
holder for in a closet. Of course, it would be dangerous to
get near it. Ouch.

Glad that I got one or two this week.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Rob H." <rhvp65@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hqajt702smf@news6.newsguy.com...
> Perhaps 1906 is a coal shovel used on a steam locomotive?
> phil

One thing that I forgot to mention about the shovel, there
is a metal sleeve
on the handle that supposedly makes it easier to rotate and
release the
coal.

Only the last one was unsolved this week, the answers for
this set can be
seen here:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/04/set-332.html#answers

Rob

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