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Today's topics:

* It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
* For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener - 6 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
* The rich pay less taxes - 8 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
* Tom Gardner still here? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
* Thermostat set-back - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/06857df984d7bae1?hl=en
* Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
* Wanted for Treason Flyer - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/72907b45a8635650?hl=en
* What is it? Set 519 Answers - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e1fa133a25bf006c?hl=en
* Winston Smith is a fucking LIAR, as usual... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
* How to skip out on ObamaCare without being fined - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ad09da1bf6f31f0?hl=en

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TOPIC: It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 8:51 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/15/2013 8:30 AM, jim lied:

> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/15/2013 8:09 AM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/15/2013 5:53 AM, jim lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "John B." wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:43:03 -0600, jim lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Australia at more than double the US minimum wage
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Australian wage rates:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
>>>>>>>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>>>>>>>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>>>>>>>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>>>>>>>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>>>>>>>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>>>>>>>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
>>>>>>> in the US is $4.25
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there seems to be a crack in your logic. The guy says "The minimum
>>>>>> wage in Australia isn't what you claim."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You reply "yes it is. The starting federal minimum wage for under 20
>>>>>> age group in the US is $4.25"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like apples and apples doesn't apply to wages.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see you are doing the same dance.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> The question I asked is why is unemployment lower in
>>>>> Australia when their minimum age is so much higher
>>>>
>>>> post hoc fallacy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The question raises a counter-example
>>
>> No, it doesn't.
>>
>>
>>> So why doesn't that work in Australia?
>>
>> The fact that minimum wage kills employment, particularly among the
>> young, *IS* shown in Australia.
>>
>>
>>>> In fact, just as in the US, youth unemployment is several times higher
>>>> than the rate for the rest of the economy - as in, five to eight times
>>>> higher. One reason is that the minimum wage makes young unskilled
>>>> workers uneconomic to hire, so they aren't hired.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the face of evidence that destroyed your
>>
>> No - no such "evidence." You don't understand what you think you're
>> seeing. As an ideologue, you wouldn't.
>
> Ha HA HA

Heh heh heh...


> Got Rudy talking to

I'm talking about you.

You're a raging moronic ideologue who doesn't know economics or logic.





== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 9:36 am
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, November 15, 2013 7:36:06 AM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet wrote:

"Minimum wage kills employment."

No it doesn't.

"Not in rational dispute."

You're not rational. You show this on a daily basis in this newsgroup.





== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 9:39 am
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:51:36 AM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet wrote:

> I'm talking about you.


You're a idiot with no clues still living in the era of Ronald Reagan. The 80's are over. Deal with it.




== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 3:05 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:53:21 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:



>
> I see you are doing the same dance.
>
>
>
> The question I asked is why is unemployment lower in
>
> Australia when their minimum age is so much higher than
>
> the minimum wage in the US.
>
>
>
> I see there are plenty of people who want to demonstrate
>
> how well they can dance away from the question but nobody is
>
> going to try to answer the question.

Not smart enough to figure out the answer to you own question?

Dan






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TOPIC: For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 9:33 am
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, November 15, 2013 7:20:38 AM UTC-8, BottleBob wrote:

"We had a little spat a couple of months ago, and shortly thereafter he seems to have withdrawn from all public contact."

You feeling guilty, Heisenberg?

I had a "little spat" with him for like a decade and it didn't effect him. You have a little spat and with him and now he's gone?

Perhaps it's time to stop using the control tactics you're so well known for. You know, like the one's you tried to use on Pinkman. :>)



















== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 10:26 am
From: BottleBob


On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:45:19 AM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 4:09 PM, BottleBob wrote:
>
> > All:
> >
> > I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge.
> But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure
> someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as
> advertised.
>
> Boy, you must have great eyes!

Tom:

I don't understand your reference, could you elaborate please?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

#9
The older you get
The more you suspect
Ideas long set
Are just all wet




== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 10:52 am
From: BottleBob


On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:33:40 AM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:
> On Friday, November 15, 2013 7:20:38 AM UTC-8, BottleBob wrote:
>
>
> "We had a little spat a couple of months ago, and shortly thereafter he
> seems to have withdrawn from all public contact."
>
> You feeling guilty, Heisenberg?

Jon:

Possibly, I'm not sure what I'm feeling... other than I miss chatting with him. We had been discussing everything under the sun in E-mail for like YEARS.


> I had a "little spat" with him for like a decade and it didn't effect
> him. You have a little spat and with him and now he's gone?

I'm not positive now what this last dustup was about. It may even have been totally unrelated to his decision to stop posting to newsgroups.

> Perhaps it's time to stop using the control tactics you're so well known
> for. You know, like the one's you tried to use on Pinkman. :>)

You allude to the use of "control tactics"... I'm not sure what you mean. Is outlining an alternate viewpoint using control tactics?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

#57
Experience sustains
Our thinking brains
Life's pain
Is wisdom's gain




== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 11:52 am
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:52:52 AM UTC-8, BottleBob wrote:

"Possibly, I'm not sure what I'm feeling... other than I miss chatting with him. We had been discussing everything under the sun in E-mail for like YEARS."

Why don't you pick up the phone and call him? If you don't make the effort that's on you and shows you can't handle rejection. Are you too afraid to tell him how much you miss him and how much you need the communication with him?

Don't be such a fucking pussy, Walter... I feel like Mike Ehrmantraut talking to you. :>)For me that show was never about crystal blue persuasion. You struggle so hard with that and I get sick pleasure out of knowing how much you do.

If Kris rejects your offering, that's on him. At that point you should be able to allow yourself to take comfort from knowing that you made the offer and he rejected your offer which says more about him than it does about you. You can be at peace with your ugly, balding, obstinate, less than open but in good physical shape, self. :>)

"I'm not positive now what this last dustup was about. It may even have been totally unrelated to his decision to stop posting to newsgroups."

My guess is that it's totally unrelated but it's certainly my preference to try and blame you and make you feel guilty for as long as possible. :P

"Is outlining an alternate viewpoint using control tactics?"

A better alternative to Gibbscam is Featurecam. Process based programming, like Gibbscam is, isn't as fast a Feature based programming is and never will be. Have you ever been open to trying alternatives like Featurcam... fuck no. Have you ever been open to CAM automation... fuck no. You claimed it was easier to enter tool info, etc. every fucking time you created a part program. It isn't and neither is all the repetitive shit you have to do in Process based CAM programming. You could never wrap your head around their being something very wrong with having to do repetitive and monotonous bullshit in CADCAM or that it equals really bad CADCAM program design.

There is a big price to pay for just accepting and making the best of what you have... your brain dies, you lose the ability to see what the big picture should be and your creativity suffers. You're not alone. If fact you're in very good company.














== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 12:53 pm
From: BottleBob


On Friday, November 15, 2013 11:52:12 AM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:

> Why don't you pick up the phone and call him? If you don't make the
> effort that's on you and shows you can't handle rejection. Are you too
> afraid to tell him how much you miss him and how much you need the
> communication with him?

Jon:

OK, I took your advice and just now E-mailed him an apology, and told him how I feel.

>
> "I'm not positive now what this last dustup was about. It may even have
> been totally unrelated to his decision to stop posting to newsgroups."
>
> My guess is that it's totally unrelated but it's certainly my preference
> to try and blame you and make you feel guilty for as long as possible. :P

Well, I hope I've at least shortened the timeframe of THAT. :)

I'll respond to the CAD/CAM issues in another post. I'm in the middle of my Pushups sets. LOL

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

#50
What is truth?
Are we the sleuth
To trap this prey
Or fooling ourselves
With our naiveté





== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 1:25 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, November 15, 2013 12:53:17 PM UTC-8, BottleBob wrote:

"OK, I took your advice and just now E-mailed him an apology, and told him how I feel."

I've read his posts for years. He has a kind heart, he cares and he forgives just about anyone with time. Perhaps after years and years you finally stated to annoy him. You have that effect on me after only a few emails or a few minutes on the phone.

"I'm in the middle of my Pushups sets. LOL "

Don't forget the Richard Simmons sweating to the oldies workout. Remember you have old fucks with no life you need to show who is boss to at the next geriatric Olympics.










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TOPIC: The rich pay less taxes
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 9:43 am
From: Rudy Canoza


[followups vandalism by unethical racist shitbag looter repaired]

Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:

> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in
> news:301bf$52857ccc$414e828e$23442@EVERESTKC.NET:
>
>>
>> Redistribution is morally wrong.
>>
> By what religion?

No religion at all.

Redistribution is wrone because it involves taking value from people who
create it without their consent and giving it to others who didn't
create it and don't deserve it.

If someone chooses to give to charity, that's his business. It is not
your business to compel anyone to give to others.


> Certainly Jesus didn't think re

Cynical atheists don't get to throw religion in people's faces.




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== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 9:45 am
From: Rudy Canoza


[followups vandalism by unethical racist shitbag looter repaired]

Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:

> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:l65le0$7f5$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:
>>
>> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in
>> news:301bf$52857ccc$414e828e$23442@EVERESTKC.NET:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Redistribution is morally wrong.
>>>>
>>
>>> By what religion?
>>
>>> Certainly Jesus didn't think redistribution was wrong. In fact, he
>>> said just the opposite.
>>
>> The opposite of FORCED redistribution, which is VOLUNTARY.
>>
>>
> Right - you "volunteer" to

The forced redistribution you advocate is not voluntary on the part of
those whose wealth is confiscated.


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== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 10:32 am
From: RD Sandman


Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:

> Scout wrote:
>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -snips-
>>>>
>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage interest
>>>>> deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>
>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright and get no
>>>>> deduction for ownership.
>>>>
>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus when you sell
>>>> the old homestead, the first quarter million of capital gains (half
>>>> million if you're married) is exempt from taxes.
>>>
>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After all, Reagan's
>>> Trickle Down economic theory dictates that the wealthier the rich
>>> get, the more jobs await us, trickling down to our begging hands.
>>
>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained economic
>> growth in US history......
>
> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity grew.
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-of-inc
> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/

Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened during the
Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000. Then it fell off from
2000 to 2003 when it started climbing again reaching a peak in 2007 when
the recession come into play.


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RD (The Sandman}

One bullet in the possession of a criminal is too many.....
Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
her children....may not be enough.

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== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 11:44 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/15/2013 10:35 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:
>
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:l63unj$i1b$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given the federal government gets more than God, does that mean that
>>> the Federal government more powerful than God, or are they simply
>>> over paid?
>>>
>> With government we give to ourselves. And God/Jesus demanded more
>> than 15% - he demanded the rich give -all-.
>>
>
> Tithe is generally considered to be 10%.

There is no biblical passage in which Jesus told everyone to give away
everything. There is one minor story in which he said to one rich
person, who was seeking salvation, that he should give away everything
and follow him (Jesus.)

The key point is that Jesus did not tell anyone to petition Caesar (the
government) to redistribute someone else's money. He also didn't
suggest that anyone give away his money and belongings because the other
person wanted them.

These lying sophomoric atheists simply don't know what they're talking
about, as usual.




== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 12:49 pm
From: Sancho Panza


On 11/15/2013 2:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 10:35 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:
>>
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>> news:l63unj$i1b$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Given the federal government gets more than God, does that mean that
>>>> the Federal government more powerful than God, or are they simply
>>>> over paid?
>>>>
>>> With government we give to ourselves. And God/Jesus demanded more
>>> than 15% - he demanded the rich give -all-.
>>>
>>
>> Tithe is generally considered to be 10%.
>
> There is no biblical passage in which Jesus told everyone to give away
> everything. There is one minor story in which he said to one rich
> person, who was seeking salvation, that he should give away everything
> and follow him (Jesus.)
>
> The key point is that Jesus did not tell anyone to petition Caesar (the
> government) to redistribute someone else's money. He also didn't
> suggest that anyone give away his money and belongings because the other
> person wanted them.
>
> These lying sophomoric atheists simply don't know what they're talking
> about, as usual.

It can be a tough concept for those unacquainted with charity. It would
be fascinating and enlightening to see these preachers' Schedule A.



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== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 1:03 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/15/2013 12:49 PM, Sancho Panza wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 2:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/15/2013 10:35 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Bugster, lying racist shitbag *looter*, lied:
>>>
>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>> news:l63unj$i1b$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the federal government gets more than God, does that mean that
>>>>> the Federal government more powerful than God, or are they simply
>>>>> over paid?
>>>>>
>>>> With government we give to ourselves. And God/Jesus demanded more
>>>> than 15% - he demanded the rich give -all-.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tithe is generally considered to be 10%.
>>
>> There is no biblical passage in which Jesus told everyone to give away
>> everything. There is one minor story in which he said to one rich
>> person, who was seeking salvation, that he should give away everything
>> and follow him (Jesus.)
>>
>> The key point is that Jesus did not tell anyone to petition Caesar (the
>> government) to redistribute someone else's money. He also didn't
>> suggest that anyone give away his money and belongings because the other
>> person wanted them.
>>
>> These lying sophomoric atheists simply don't know what they're talking
>> about, as usual.
>
> It can be a tough concept for those unacquainted with charity. It would
> be fascinating and enlightening to see these preachers' Schedule A.

What seems to be the tougher concept for leftists is the basics of
private property.





== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 1:06 pm
From: Rudy Canoza


On 11/14/2013 7:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:l63unj$i1b$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> Given the federal government gets more than God, does that mean that
>> the Federal government more powerful than God, or are they simply over
>> paid?
>>
> With government we give to ourselves.

Bullshit. Government agents, favoring one class of citizens - the
unproductive parasite class - seize value from another class - the
producers - and give it to the parasites. That's not "giving to
ourselves" - *I* am not getting any benefit out of the "transaction."

There is no ethically valid rationale for government agents to take
value, by threat of force, from productive people in order to it to
deadbeats.





== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 4:24 pm
From: Dhu on Gate


On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:06:39 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> On 11/14/2013 7:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:l63unj$i1b$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given the federal government gets more than God, does that mean that
>>> the Federal government more powerful than God, or are they simply over
>>> paid?
>>>
>> With government we give to ourselves.
>
> Bullshit. Government agents, favoring one class of citizens - the
> unproductive parasite class - seize value from another class - the
> producers - and give it to the parasites. That's not "giving to
> ourselves" - *I* am not getting any benefit out of the "transaction."
>
> There is no ethically valid rationale for government agents to take
> value, by threat of force, from productive people in order to it to
> deadbeats.

Dood, this is a Consumer Society: production is a matter of permission
to market consumables. Supply Side economix was s'posed to fix this
but didn't.

Dhu

--
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TOPIC: Tom Gardner still here?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 10:35 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"


Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> fired this volley in
news:wIOdnXOEeqqlzRvPnZ2dnUVZ_vEAAAAA@giganews.com:

>> Are you still making brushes?
>> I have a question about them.
>>
>> Lloyd
>>
> How can I help?

Tom,

I have to figure out what the expected shedding of a brush might be (for
a maintenance document).

It's a commercially available rotary scrubber 2" diameter, with 0.016"
nylon fill (no specs except diameter), fused tufts in a polypropylene
disc, each tuft about 0.875" long. So, pretty stiff.

They'll be rubbing on the surface of a 40-mesh stainless steel screen,
and the material being screened is not abrasive.

In the action of scrubbing on that screen, each bristle will deflect no
more than about 10 degrees from its attachment, and the brush will
oscillate slowly, so they will deflect both ways about 10 degrees. (at
the tip, bending uniformly over their length, I expect).

There's only enough pressure on the brush to ensure that it keeps the
holes in the screen clear of gummy stuff which blinds it rapidly -- maybe
as much as 8 ounces of down-pressure (but I think that's meaningless
unless you know how many bristles, how densely tufted, etc... and I don't
know those things).

We sized the screen openings so the bristles cannot fall through if they
shed, to keep lost filaments out of the product stream. Wear particles
are not a problem, even if they go through.

We have the option to "break them in" before installation, if that would
be wise.

I told the customer I guessed the filaments would wear out in length
before they began to shed; but I'd like to confirm, and figure out some
sort of estimation on their life or wear rate.

Thanks, Tom.
Lloyd




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 3:45 pm
From: Larry Jaques


On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:35:48 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> fired this volley in
>news:wIOdnXOEeqqlzRvPnZ2dnUVZ_vEAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
>>> Are you still making brushes?
>>> I have a question about them.
>>>
>>> Lloyd
>>>
>> How can I help?
>
>Tom,
>
>I have to figure out what the expected shedding of a brush might be (for
>a maintenance document).
>
>It's a commercially available rotary scrubber 2" diameter, with 0.016"
>nylon fill (no specs except diameter), fused tufts in a polypropylene
>disc, each tuft about 0.875" long. So, pretty stiff.
>
>They'll be rubbing on the surface of a 40-mesh stainless steel screen,
>and the material being screened is not abrasive.

Maybe I'm not aware of how mesh sizes are measured, but 1/40 = 0.025",
so a 0.016" nylon bristle would seem to go through it.


>In the action of scrubbing on that screen, each bristle will deflect no
>more than about 10 degrees from its attachment, and the brush will
>oscillate slowly, so they will deflect both ways about 10 degrees. (at
>the tip, bending uniformly over their length, I expect).
>
>There's only enough pressure on the brush to ensure that it keeps the
>holes in the screen clear of gummy stuff which blinds it rapidly -- maybe
>as much as 8 ounces of down-pressure (but I think that's meaningless
>unless you know how many bristles, how densely tufted, etc... and I don't
>know those things).

Yeah, try to get all the critical info to Mr. Brush Engineer.


>We sized the screen openings so the bristles cannot fall through if they
>shed, to keep lost filaments out of the product stream. Wear particles
>are not a problem, even if they go through.

Got nylon magnets? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)


>We have the option to "break them in" before installation, if that would
>be wise.
>
>I told the customer I guessed the filaments would wear out in length
>before they began to shed; but I'd like to confirm, and figure out some
>sort of estimation on their life or wear rate.

That's the same SWAG I'd make. Tawm'll probably know, or at least be
able to direct you to the info, though. Um, unless they're Chiwanese
brushes. In that case, he's likely to "Gibbs" you upside the haid.

--
We are always the same age inside.
-- Gertrude Stein





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TOPIC: Thermostat set-back
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/06857df984d7bae1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 11:06 am
From: "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)"



On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:51:54 -0500, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:

>On 11/11/2013 7:44 PM, jim wrote:
>>
>>
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:31:44 -0600, Richard <cavelamb@earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2013 4:05 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>>> How low should I set my thermostats at night in the shop? The goal of
>>>>> course is to minimize the gas bill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OFF - max minimization
>>>
>>> On the other hand..the next morning...max maxification.
>>
>> Richard is correct.
>> The amount of fuel used overnight plus what it takes
>> to warm it up in the morning will be minimized by turning
>> it off overnight.
>>
>
>I'm worried about water and sprinkler pipes freezing. I guess I should
>have mentioned that.

You can start with heat trace tape and insulation for safety - Or
convert the sprinkler system over to a Dry Standpipe system with
compressed air in the pipes and a little dedicated Wob-L-Piston
compressor, then all you have to worry about is the Fire Water risers
and the water charging valve, and water mains freezing on you.

But for the machines you want to keep them above the dew point, I'd
say 45 or 50F. As others have mentioned, that's not the safest
because you'll get cold spots.

Are you going to be there a while? Do you Own or only Rent?

If you answer Yes, we own and we don't plan to leave anytime soon, I'd
look into adding insulation. wherever it can be done economically and
easily. And not just the radiant foil sheeting, considering it's
manufacturing and needs to be easy to clean I'd look into Fiberglas
batts and something to mechanically hold it in place. You wouldn't
want to hang and maintain Drywall, and I've seen a web of baling wire
fail to hold it in place...

I'd think either 1/2" welded wire mesh or the diamond Chicken Wire,
and furring strips along the joists to hold it up. Or perhaps a full
pallet of the factory-primed Tempered Hardwood Pegboard so the
backside is primed, and you bomb the face side with an Airless and
some gloss white enamel when you get done hanging it.

And nail the sprinkler pipes with Red, Water with Blue, Gas with
Yellow, Compressed Air with Sky Blue, and the electrical conduits
with Orange or Smoke Grey while you're at it. The holes allow a bit
of ventilation to let moisture out (or the roof leak to drain through
to find it easier...) and you can poke through the holes to locate
the joists before screwing in new pipe hangers.

But I would think NO vapor barrier below the insulation (toward
occupied space) since there's no attic, on a flat roof you won't be
ventilating the space above it. But you'd better get a few more
opinions on that.

(Unless you start drilling holes in all the fireblocks and the eaves
and putting in the round Mini-Vents all over the place, leave a
ventilation gap above the batts, and rig something to ventilate out
at the ridge. Then you could put Tyvek Housewrap under the pegboard.)

And/Or you do the foam spray on roofing - that's insulation too.





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TOPIC: Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 12:06 pm
From: jon_banquer


On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:29:19 PM UTC-8, Ray Keller wrote:

<snip>

Print These 20 Things You Don't Really Need And Your 3-D Printer Pays For Itself:

http://www.fastcoexist.com/1682798/print-these-20-things-you-dont-really-need-and-your-3-d-printer-pays-for-itself#2





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TOPIC: Wanted for Treason Flyer
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/72907b45a8635650?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 2:23 pm
From: "Bill Steele"


http://www.jfk.org/go/collections/item-
detail?fedoraid=sfm:1999.023.0017

Interesting how most of the transgressions on this poster for
JFK,

are the exact same complaints about Barack Hussein Obama.

Will history repeat itself?






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TOPIC: What is it? Set 519 Answers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e1fa133a25bf006c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 2:38 pm
From: Rob H.


In article <51bef4fd-a5c6-4005-b8dc-e1ef74099cb3@googlegroups.com>,
cmdrpiffle@gmail.com says...
>
>3027
>Probably an antique hard boiled egg cracker/sheller. Egg goes in, handles close
enough for the spikes to pierce the shell, lift off top shell, PROFIT !
>
>Something similar:
>
>
>http://img1.etsystatic.com/018/0/7301457/il_340x270.479686867_ql2g.jpg
>


Correct, it was for use on soft boiled eggs.

They've all been answered correctly this week, an update to my post can be seen
here:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/11/set-519.html#answers


Rob






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TOPIC: Winston Smith is a fucking LIAR, as usual...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/825e5b89ef88b01a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 3:35 pm
From: Winston_Smith


On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:07:44 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote:
>"Winston_Smith" wrote
>> "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote:
>>
>>>My side of the discussion is that you fucking lied when you said
>>>(Obama) had "no plans to deliver one bit of it" in refrerence to
>>>his campaign promises.
>>
>> Check your original post in this thread. (Which you morphed in a pit
>> of feak) You said I was a liar because I wouldn't take the time to read
>some link you posted. By your own statement it's 13 pages to slog
>through.
>
>No, I said you were a liar because you said Obama has not kept up on his
>campaign promises "one bit"

Do you think we are so dumb we can't scroll up a couple lines in our
readers in the same thread? You said:
|--
|-- 1) YOU said: "Obama's whole campaign pitch was a crock and a load, you =
|-- are saying It sounded good, but no plans to deliver one bit of it."

Not in this thread. No. If you want to deal with me on what I said,
it's insane for you to divide your fantasy attacks over multiple
threads. (It did let you call me a liar in a subject line and I assume
that let you get your rocks off.)

|-- 2) I linked you to a 13 page document containg 20 items per page =
|-- outlining promises Obama has kept, which you won't even look at....
|--
|-- 3) Which means you are fucking liar, as usual....

You said my not reading your 13 pages of propaganda (that can not
address the promises I wrote Obama broke simply because they are
examples of his NOT keeping his promises.)

Has he kept some promises? Certainly. I mentioned examples where he
did not.





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TOPIC: How to skip out on ObamaCare without being fined
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 15 2013 3:43 pm
From: "RogerN"


"AlDrake" wrote in message
news:epbhu.141227$4q1.47745@en-nntp-12.dc1.easynews.com...

<snip>

Sorry for the delayed response Mr Daffy Duck!

> You are posting from a loony bin. America is not weak but stronger
> because of Obmama. He had killed more terrorists than any rightWing Nut.

Who is Obmama? Is he yo mama?

> The right is continually weakening the US. Bush let Bin Laden go free and
> Obama killed him. Bush admitted he didn't care.

Is that why your kind blame Republicans for too much military spending. A
well equipped military makes us weak? Osama was one man and it's not worth
great expense to single him out as it is to weaken those who carry out his
deeds of evil. Obama only allowed actions of Bush to continue, Bush was
eventually successful but Obama was their to take the credit for what he had
nothing to do with, typical of liberals.

> You have nothing but lies. Obama care hasn't even begun fool.

He's on his 2nd term and hasn't begun? When is he planning to start? How
about this ObamaCare, for every 1 person that has attempted to sign on, 100
people have lost their coverage. Anyway, he's been president for 5 years,
isn't it about time for him to begin?

> Republicans shut down the government they even admit doing so.
>
> Cruz admitted shutting down the government.

It certainly was a waste, ObamaCare delayed itself thanks to the moron
president and his moron voters.

>Fox News host Chris Wallace interviewed Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) at The
>Atlantic's Washington Ideas Forum on Thursday, and the senator gave the
>crowd a laugh when he claimed he never wanted a government shutdown.
>
>"That ignores who I think was responsible for the shutdown," Cruz said. "I
>didn't want a shutdown. Throughout the whole thing, I said we shouldn't
>have a shutdown."
>
>Can you read Tard? Cruz said "We shouldn't have a shutdown."

Hey tard, saying "Shouldn't have a shutdown" is not the same as "We
shouldn't have shutdown", but I figure a daffy duck like you wouldn't have
enough intelligence to know the difference. That's why the rednecks of Duck
Dynasty enjoy killing ducks as stupid as you!

> Man you are one dumb shut, aren't you?
>
>Wahahaha..................

I found a picture of you on the internet!:
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1394123_389254577872043_152499831_n.jpg

I agree with Obama, do you?
https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1235273_240663086088494_1670864395_n.jpg

I found a perfect place for you to live!
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1470391_10202617773429633_1910261178_n.jpg

Here's your leaders ID card!
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1470391_10202617773429633_1910261178_n.jpg

And here's your from of government!
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q87/1390735_10151893134785914_1726335200_n.jpg

Even Daffy Duck wasn't as daffy as Al Drake!

RogerN






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