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* Famous presidential lies - 2 messages, 1 author
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* The CRA dictates that RACE is of more importance thananyone'
sabilitytorepayanyloansmade. - 12 messages, 3 authors
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* The robots are coming! - Now, watch employment boom! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* The Fact Is, The Rich Don't Have Enough Money - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Eddie Haskell - USENET's notrious [sic] - 2 messages, 1 author
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* What is it? Set 528 - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How much mercury is in mercury relays? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Uisng A Chucking Reamer - 3 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Famous presidential lies
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3cb2a4cd7e7b85f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 7:49 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/16/2014 10:53 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
> On 1/16/2014 11:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/16/2014 9:48 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2014 10:23 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2014 9:14 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>>>> On 1/16/2014 10:00 AM, Ray Keller wrote:
>>>>>> Famous presidential lies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LBJ:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We were attacked (in the Gulf of Tonkin)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nixon:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a crook
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GHW Bush:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read my lips - No new taxes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clinton:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not have sex with that woman... Miss Lewinski
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GW Bush:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iraq has weapons of mass destruction
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will have the most transparent administration in history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am focused like a laser on creating jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The IRS is not targeting anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a spontaneous riot about a movie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I had a son.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will put an end to the type of politics that "breeds division,
>>>>>> conflict
>>>>>> and cynicism".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't build that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will restore trust in Government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Cambridge cops acted stupidly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my
>>>>>> desk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not my red line - it is the world's red line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whistle blowers will be protected in my administration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We got back every dime we used to rescue the banks and auto
>>>>>> companies, with
>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not spying on American citizens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ObamaCare will be good for America
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can keep your family doctor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Premiums will be lowered by $2500.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you like it, you can keep your current healthcare plan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's just like shopping at Amazon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew nothing about "Fast and Furious" gunrunning to Mexican drug
>>>>>> cartels
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew nothing about IRS targeting conservative groups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew nothing about what happened in Benghazi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never spoken with my uncle from Kenya who is in the country
>>>>>> illegally and that was arrested and told to leave the country over 20
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, I have never lived with that uncle. (He did.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I, Barrack Hussein Obama, pledge to preserve, protect and defend
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Constitution of the United States of America."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ou
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I will never give away the Panama Canal." Jimmy Carter while
>>>>> campaigning for the White House.
>>>>
>>>> Not a quote. This is a fake quote.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Cuban soldiers bring stability to
>>>>> Africa." Jimmy Carter as President.
>>>>
>>>> Also not a quote. Carter never said the statement attributed to him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Feckless Jimmy Carter was a plenty enough bad president without putting
>>>> fake quotes in his mouth.
>>>
>>> I personally heard Carter make the Panama Canal promise before
>>> television cameras back when he was campaigning for President.
>>
>> Carter never said what you claimed.
>>
>>
>>> They're not fake quotes,
>>
>> They *are* fake quotes. He never said them. You have quotation marks
>> around them. That is supposed to mean they are the exact words he said,
>> /verbatim/. He never said them. You fabricated them. That makes you a
>> liar.
>
> How does Jimmy Carter's lies about never giving away the Panama Canal
> make me a liar?

Your "quote" is a fabrication - that means it's a lie. You claimed
Carter said a specific sentence, and he didn't.


>>
>>
>>> they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth.
>>
>> He didn't say them.
>
> He did say them.

He didn't say them. They're fake - not quotes at all.


>>
>>
>>> That liar got elected by claiming he'd never give away the Panama
>>> Canal, and
>>
>> Of all the dead horses a fuckwit might flog, the transfer of the canal
>> to Panama seems like one of the most ill chosen. It happened more than
>> 30 years ago, and it didn't affect the US one bit - simply not at all.
>>
>
> The year 2000 was not 30 years ago, liar.

The Torrijos�Carter Treaties are two treaties signed by the
United States and Panama in Washington, D.C., on September 7,
1977, which abrogated the Hay�Bunau-Varilla Treaty of 1903. The
treaties guaranteed that Panama would gain control of the Panama
Canal after 1999, ending the control of the canal that the U.S.
had exercised since 1903.

The treaty laid out a timetable for the transfer of the canal,
leading to a complete handover of all lands and buildings in the
canal area to Panama. The most immediate consequence of this
treaty was that the Canal Zone, as an entity, ceased to exist on
October 1, 1979. The final phase of the treaty was completed on
December 31, 1999. On this date, the United States relinquished
control of the Panama Canal and all areas in what had been the
Panama Canal Zone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties


The treaties were signed over 35 years ago, you fucking moron. Twelve
years of Republican presidency and four years of Republican control of
Congress didn't see fit to try to abrogate the treaties.

No sane person was commenting on the transfer after the treaties were
signed. No one cared. Transfering the canal zone and the canal to
Panama were the right thing to do. There has been no adverse effect on
the United States from it.

You're beating a dead horse. You're wasting your time. Stupid fucking
morons tend to do that.





== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 7:52 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/16/2014 10:53 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
> On 1/16/2014 11:10 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 22:48:25 -0700, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2014 10:23 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2014 9:14 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>
>>>>> "I will never give away the Panama Canal." Jimmy Carter while
>>>>> campaigning for the White House.
>>>>
>>>> Not a quote. This is a fake quote.
>>>>
>>>>> "Cuban soldiers bring stability to
>>>>> Africa." Jimmy Carter as President.
>>>>
>>>> Also not a quote. Carter never said the statement attributed to him.
>>>>
>>>> Feckless Jimmy Carter was a plenty enough bad president without putting
>>>> fake quotes in his mouth.
>>>
>>> I personally heard Carter make the Panama Canal promise before
>>> television cameras back when he was campaigning for President. They're
>>> not fake quotes, they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth. That
>>> liar got elected by claiming he'd never give away the Panama Canal, and
>>> then he got elected and put Saul Linowitz in charge of giving away the
>>> Canal which ended up under the control of Hutchinson-Whampoa, which is
>>> controlled by the PLA.
>>
>> That's Rudy's stock in trade. Just deny what he doesn't want to hear.
>> He lives in a wonderful world.
>>
>> FWIW, I too remember Carter saying it.
>>
>
> Thank you.

Carter didn't say what you quoted him as saying. He might have said
something to that effect, but he didn't say *EITHER* statement that you
cited as quotes. You made them up. You've already *admitted* to having
faked the quote about Cuban troops. You're an admitted forger.

winnie does *NOT* remember Carter saying what you quoted him as saying,
because Carter never said that. You and winnie are fuckwits.






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TOPIC: The CRA dictates that RACE is of more importance thananyone'
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 8:10 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sancho Panza wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
> >> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
> >> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
> >> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
> >> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
> >> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
> >> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
> >>
> >
> > This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
> > billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
> > the GSEs stand:
> >
> > The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
> > they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>
> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....


Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.

The govt owns F&F. The govt does not tax itself, it
collects dividends which consist of 100% of F&F profits.
The Bailout of Fannie and Freddie cost the taxpayers nothing.
It looks like the govt will be making 100's of billions in
dividends from F&F over the next few years.

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== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 8:35 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>
>
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>
>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>
>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>
>
> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>
> The govt owns F&F.

Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.

Your handlers really put their foot in it on that one, front boy.





== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 8:43 am
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 11:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>
>>
>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely.
>>>>> FHFA
>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that
>>>>> Fannie Mae
>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>
>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>
>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>
>>
>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>
>> The govt owns F&F.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>
> Your handlers really put their foot in it on that one, front boy.



If F&F were NOT bankrupt then Obama Nationalizing them and promising
unlimited government financial backing was just an effort to steal the
company from it's stock/share holders without paying them for their stock.

Obama stole GM fro it's rightful owners(stock holders and creditors) and
he apparently did it with F&F.








== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:08 am
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 11:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>
>>
>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely.
>>>>> FHFA
>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that
>>>>> Fannie Mae
>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>
>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>
>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>
>>
>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>
>> The govt owns F&F.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>
> Your handlers really put their foot in it on that one, front boy.



If F&F were NOT bankrupt then Obama Nationalizing them and promising
unlimited government financial backing was just an effort to steal the
company from it's stock/share holders without paying them for their stock.

Obama stole GM fro it's rightful owners(stock holders and creditors) and
he apparently did it with F&F.


The real reason Obama stole F&F was to stop any OPEN COURT BANKRUPTCY
and investigation into the two, because it would have Destroyed the
Democrats and Democrat Party by showing that the Progressive-Democrats
were responsible for the entire failure of the mortgage markets that led
to the economic morass that we find ourselves in today.

Taking over F&F was part of the Democrats clean up operation for their
own mess.


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== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:08 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >
> >
> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sancho Panza wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
> >>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
> >>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
> >>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
> >>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
> >>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
> >>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
> >>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
> >>> the GSEs stand:
> >>>
> >>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
> >>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
> >>
> >> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
> >
> >
> > Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
> >
> > The govt owns F&F.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.

The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
The profits go to the US Treasury.
The F&F bailout cost the taxpayers nothing.

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== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:13 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
> On 1/17/2014 11:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> > On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> > collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >>
> >>
> >> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
> >>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
> >>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely.
> >>>>> FHFA
> >>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
> >>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
> >>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that
> >>>>> Fannie Mae
> >>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
> >>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
> >>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
> >>>> the GSEs stand:
> >>>>
> >>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
> >>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
> >>>
> >>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
> >>
> >>
> >> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
> >>
> >> The govt owns F&F.
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> > stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> > OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
> >
> > Your handlers really put their foot in it on that one, front boy.
>
> If F&F were NOT bankrupt then Obama Nationalizing them and promising
> unlimited government financial backing was just an effort to steal the
> company from it's stock/share holders without paying them for their stock.

You're lying again.

It was Bush that took over F&F.
The reason was to keep the F&F loan guarantees (which would
have become worthless without govt support) from destroying
the entire financial system.

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== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:20 am
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 1:08 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
>>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
>>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>>
>>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>>
>>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>>
>>>
>>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>>
>>> The govt owns F&F.
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>

> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
Who says the government is qualified to buy stocks?
Why isn't F&F paying back all the people that lost money because of
their business practices and their predatory sales of fraudulent
investment paper?



> The profits go to the US Treasury.
what profits? And NOW is NOT the time for profits...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-N_DPNve44
Now is NOT the time for Profits says
*Obama The millionaire who's keeping his profits*

> The F&F bailout cost the taxpayers nothing.
It cost 35 billion in tax credits....





== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:01 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/17/2014 10:08 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:

> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely. FHFA
>>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Fannie Mae
>>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>>
>>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>>
>>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>>
>>>
>>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>>
>>> The govt owns F&F.
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>
> The govt owns F&F preferred stock.

The government does not own all of the preferred stock. They don't even
own a majority of it.

Your handlers are leaving you dangling in the wind, front boy. You
don't even understand the lies they're feeding you.





== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:12 am
From: BeamMeUpScotty


On 1/17/2014 1:13 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 1/17/2014 11:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 8:10 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/17/2014 8:07 AM, jim, front boy for a left-wing disinformation
>>>>> collective - that is, a hired liar - lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Estimates of the total cost to the federal government of supporting
>>>>>>> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac use different baselines and vary widely.
>>>>>>> FHFA
>>>>>>> has estimated that, by the end of 2015, Treasury is likely to have
>>>>>>> purchased between $191 billion and $209 billion of senior preferred
>>>>>>> stock, and the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that
>>>>>>> Fannie Mae
>>>>>>> and Freddie Mac will pay Treasury $30 billion in dividends between
>>>>>>> FY2013 and FY2017 and $44 billion between FY2013 and FY2022.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This information is out of date. After payments on of $39
>>>>>> billion dividend on third quarter 2013 profits this is where
>>>>>> the GSEs stand:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mortgage giants have taken $187.5 billion in U.S. aid since
>>>>>> they were taken into conservatorship in 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> False... they took another 35 billion in tax credits....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Suddenly you're in love with the idea of govt taxation. Too funny.
>>>>
>>>> The govt owns F&F.
>>>
>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
>>> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
>>> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
>>>
>>> Your handlers really put their foot in it on that one, front boy.
>>
>> If F&F were NOT bankrupt then Obama Nationalizing them and promising
>> unlimited government financial backing was just an effort to steal the
>> company from it's stock/share holders without paying them for their stock.
>
> You're lying again.


By
James R. Hagerty and
Jessica Holzer
Updated Dec. 28, 2009 12:01 a.m. ET

The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of
losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over
the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.

The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited
the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.

*Unlimited access to bailout funds* through 2012 was "necessary for
preserving the continued strength and stability of the mortgage market,"
the Treasury said. Fannie and Freddie purchase or guarantee most U.S.
home mortgages and have run up huge losses stemming from the worst wave
of defaults since the 1930s.

" *The timing of this executive order giving Fannie and Freddie* a
*blank* *check* is no coincidence," said Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama,
the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee. He
said the Christmas Eve announcement was designed "to prevent the general
public from taking note."

Treasury officials couldn't be reached for comment Friday.

So far, Treasury has provided $60 billion of capital to Fannie and $51
billion to Freddie. Mahesh Swaminathan, a senior mortgage analyst at
Credit Suisse in New York, said he didn't believe Fannie and Freddie
would need more than $200 billion apiece from the Treasury. But he and
other analysts have said the market would find a larger commitment from
the Treasury reassuring.

In exchange for the funding, the Treasury has received preferred stock
in the companies paying 10% dividends. The Treasury also has warrants to
acquire nearly 80% of the common shares in each firm.

The Treasury removed the cap on the size of available bailout funds *by*
*amending* *agreements* *it reached with the companies* in *September*
2008, when the government seized control of the agencies under a legal
*process called conservatorship* . The agreement allowed the Treasury to
make amendments through the end of the year, *without* *the *consent* of
*Congress* . Changes made after Dec. 31 would likely involve a struggle
with lawmakers over the terms.

Some Republicans are angry the *administration is expanding* the
potential *size of the bailout* without having a *plan for eventually*
*ending the federal government's role* in the companies.

The Treasury reiterated administration plans for a "preliminary report"
on the government's future role in the mortgage market around the time
the federal budget proposal is released in February.

The companies on Thursday disclosed new packages that will pay Fannie
Chief Executive Officer Michael Williams and Freddie CEO Charles
Haldeman Jr. as *much as* $6 *million a year, including bonuses* . The
packages were *approved by the Treasury and the Federal Housing*
*Finance* Agency, or FHFA, which regulates the companies.

The FHFA said compensation for executive officers of the companies in
2009, on average, is down 40% from the pay levels before the
conservatorship.

Under the conservatorship, top officers of Fannie and Freddie take their
cues from the Treasury and regulators on all major decisions, current
and former executives say. The government has made
foreclosure-prevention efforts its top priority.

The pay packages for top officers are entirely in cash; company shares
have been trading on the New York Stock Exchange at less than $2 apiece,
and it isn't clear when the companies will to profitability or whether
common shares will have any value in the long term.

For the CEOs, annual compensation consists of a base salary of $900,000,
deferred base salary of $3.1 million and incentive pay of as much as $2
million.

When Mr. Haldeman was hired by Freddie in July, the company set his base
pay at $900,000 and said his additional "incentive" pay would depend on
a decision by the regulator.

At Fannie, Mr. Williams was chief operating officer until he was
promoted in April to CEO. As COO, his base salary was $676,000. He also
had annual deferred pay of $2.3 million and a long-term incentive award
of as much as $1.5 million.

Under the new packages, Fannie will pay as much as about $3.6 million
annually to David M. Johnson, chief financial officer; $2.4 million to
Kenneth Bacon, who heads a unit that finances apartment buildings; $2.8
million to David Benson, capital markets chief; $2.2 million to David
Hisey, deputy chief financial officer; $3 million to Timothy Mayopoulos,
general counsel; and $2.8 million to Kenneth Phelan, chief risk officer.

At Freddie, annual compensation will total as much as $4.5 million for
Bruce Witherell, chief operating officer; $3.5 million for Ross Kari,
chief financial officer; $2.8 million for Robert Bostrom, general
counsel; and $2.7 million for Paul George, head of human resources.

The pay deals also drew fire. With unemployment near 10%, "to be handing
out $6 million bonuses to essentially federal employees is
unconscionable," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican who is a
frequent critic of Fannie and Freddie.

He also criticized the administration for approving the compensation
without settling on a plan to remove taxpayer supports: "To be doing
that with no plan in place is just unconscionable."

The FHFA said that Fannie and Freddie "must attract and retain the
talent needed" for their vital role in the mortgage market.






>
> It was Bush that took over F&F.

NO it was Obama that took it over, Bush had it in "receivership" with
limited financial backing of $200 Billion. remember the word "rescue" it
was to rescue the bloated government created shit bags. Obama then
changed that into a takeover of all their debt and they also put money
from treasury and the Federal Reserve and other agencies into F&F
because Obama owned it.


Obama took 100% or unlimited financial responsibility on behalf of the
tax payers, and it was probably unconstitutional at best and probably
illegal and a felony Banking fraud at worst.

> The reason was to keep the F&F loan guarantees (which would
> have become worthless without govt support) from destroying
> the entire financial system.

And it also makes it possible for Democrats to hide their government
fraud and coercion and duplicity.






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== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:00 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

> >
>
> > The govt owns F&F preferred stock.

> Who says the government is qualified to buy stocks?

Congress writes the laws.

> Why isn't F&F paying back all the people that lost money because of
> their business practices and their predatory sales of fraudulent
> investment paper?

You're lying again. No one has lost money on GSE mortgage
backed securities.

>
> > The profits go to the US Treasury.
> what profits? And NOW is NOT the time for profits...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-N_DPNve44
> Now is NOT the time for Profits says
> *Obama The millionaire who's keeping his profits*
>
> > The F&F bailout cost the taxpayers nothing.
> It cost 35 billion in tax credits....

That is just another one of your lies.
If the govt had not taken over F&F it would have
collected nothing in taxes.

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== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:16 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




Rudy Canoza wrote:

> >>> The govt owns F&F.
> >>
> >> Ha ha ha ha ha! Both are publicly traded corporations. Fannie Mae's
> >> stock ticker symbol is FNMA. Freddie Mac's is FMCC. Both trade on the
> >> OTCBB; both were NYSE listed until 2010.
> >
> > The govt owns F&F preferred stock.
>
> The government does not own all of the preferred stock. They don't even
> own a majority of it.

Go argue your point with the SEC and US Treasury.
They claim a majority ownership stake and all the
profits go to the treasury as dividends.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/310522/000095013308003096/w67133exv99w3.htm

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== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 12:18 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

>
> The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of
> losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over
> the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
>
> The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited
> the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.

That is 4 year old news. It is all paid back now.

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TOPIC: The robots are coming! - Now, watch employment boom!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/317a6473fb786909?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:13 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/17/2014 8:15 AM, Bugster, economics-illiterate and proud of it, lied:

> Governments warned: Robots may take half our jobs in 20 years, so prepare
> for revolution

Ha ha ha ha ha! You fuckwit - you don't even realize how much
automation has already taken place. This isn't about "robots", you
stupid knuckle-dragging fuckwit; it's about automation.

Commercial airlines used to have "flight engineers" in addition to a
pilot and co-pilot. That job has completely disappeared. In addition,
larger planes mean fewer flights between the same places, so entire
flight crews have disappeared.

Rubbish trucks used to have a driver and two collectors who rode on the
outside of the truck, jumped off and emptied the trash bins into the
hopper. Now there is only the driver, and a mechanical claw reaches out
and picks up the receptacle and empties it into the truck bin.

Business firms used to employ millions of telephone receptionists who
answered and redirected phone calls. Now automated phone menu systems
do that.

Banks used to employ many millions of tellers. Now ATMs handle a lot of
that, and even those are disappearing as more customers use on-line and
mobile banking.

In 1870, close to 80% of the U.S. workforce was employed in agriculture.
Today, it is under 2%.

Many thousands of people used to work as travel agents. Today, most
people book travel using on-line services like Expedia and Orbitz. This
isn't just travel; car rental companies employ far fewer booking agents
because people can book rental cars through the same sites.

There are far fewer bookstore employees than there used to be, thanks to
Amazon and similar services.

Every time there is a merger of two or more companies to form a bigger
company, jobs are lost. Economies of scale mean many administrative
positions are redundant: if two firms that merge each have one human
resources administrator prior to the merger, it is highly likely that
only one will be needed after the merger.

The list of past job "loss" due to automation and economies of scale is
endless.

*MORE* jobs have been eliminated through automation and economies of
scale in the past than will be eliminated by "robots" in the next two
decades...and yet, the average employment rate has not fluctuated much
over time.

Once again, we see Bugster and the rest of the economics-illiterate left
committing the "lump of labor" fallacy, i.e., there is only so much work
to be done, and automation permanently puts people out of work. The
belief is a fallacy. There is *always* more work to be done than there
are workers available to do it - always and without exception.





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TOPIC: The Fact Is, The Rich Don't Have Enough Money
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1b1dc40682737d00?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:22 am
From: Rudy Canoza


On 1/17/2014 9:14 AM, Baxter wrote:
> "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:
>
>>
>> "Grayling High School" wrote in message...
>>> Re: The Fact Is, The Rich Don't Have Enough Money
>>> They never have. That's why we need to pay the taxes
>>> while they pay nothing.
>>
>> You are silly and WRONG.
>> The "rich" pay the majority of income taxes paid, as it is.
>>
>> "The top 5 percent earned 33.78 percent of income
>> and paid 59.07 percent of taxes,
>>
>> and the top 10 percent earned 45.17 percent of income
>> and paid 70.62 percent of taxes."
>>
>> http://taxfoundation.org/article/what-do-americans-really-pay-income-ta
>> xes
>>
> Yet some how that top 5% owns 2/3 of all the stock while the bottom 50% own
> ~ 0.5%

So?





== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:56 am
From: "Eddie Haskell"



"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
news:b06ae$52d9678a$414e828e$1998@EVERESTKC.NET...
> On 1/17/2014 9:14 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:
>>
>>>
>>> "Grayling High School" wrote in message...
>>>> Re: The Fact Is, The Rich Don't Have Enough Money
>>>> They never have. That's why we need to pay the taxes
>>>> while they pay nothing.
>>>
>>> You are silly and WRONG.
>>> The "rich" pay the majority of income taxes paid, as it is.
>>>
>>> "The top 5 percent earned 33.78 percent of income
>>> and paid 59.07 percent of taxes,
>>>
>>> and the top 10 percent earned 45.17 percent of income
>>> and paid 70.62 percent of taxes."
>>>
>>> http://taxfoundation.org/article/what-do-americans-really-pay-income-ta
>>> xes
>>>
>> Yet some how that top 5% owns 2/3 of all the stock while the bottom 50%
>> own
>> ~ 0.5%
>
> So?

Obama has been pumping up wall street to the tune of 85 billion a month
making the rich richer while he blubbers about "income disparity" as if he
had nothing to do with it while his retarded sycophants drool.

-Eddie Haskell







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TOPIC: Eddie Haskell - USENET's notrious [sic]
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:23 am
From: "No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list'"


On 1/17/2014 9:06 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <ZacCu.224385$Rt7.139286@fx27.iad>,
> "Kirby Grant" <kgrant@whatzit.org> wrote:
>
>> When our enemies start coming for us, we'll point them in your direction and
>> indicate that you are volunteering to die at their hands or at least be
>> their slave. After all, you don't want to be defended.
>
> What military threat is coming for us?

Maybe having a 2,000,000 person military is exactly why there aren't any
coming for us.


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:24 am
From: "No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list'"


On 1/17/2014 9:06 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <bdaeb$52d951e8$414e828e$26709@EVERESTKC.NET>,
> "No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list'" <kill_gummer@soon> wrote:
>
>> You don't know what it takes to defend the country.
>
> That depends on what you mean by defend.

No, it doesn't depend on anything at all - *you* are incompetent to say
what's required.


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TOPIC: What is it? Set 528
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:41 am
From: Rob H.


Someone suggested that this wooden item (3082) is a wine bottle holder/pourer, I
think that this is correct. I couldn't find one just like it but there are some
similar ones here:

https://www.google.com/search?
q=wine+bottle+holder+pourer+wood&safe=off&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&s
a=X&ei=DWvZUrOKEOm0yAGb_YCADg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=784






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TOPIC: How much mercury is in mercury relays?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/28b8e3bc7aaa18d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:48 am
From: dpb


On 1/17/2014 9:19 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
...

> Mercury is exceedingly dense and heavy at 13534 kg/m3, but ~9oz does
> seem overly much for a small, single-pole relay. (I wonder if it's a
> weight v. volume mismatch I'm experiencing. I believe so.)
>
> 1 fluid ounce (fl oz) of mercury = 0.88 lb in mercury
>
> So 252 grams would be roughly 0.64 fluid ounces. OK, that works for
> me. That crap IS dense!
...

Yes, it's 20% more dense than Pb -- 13.6 vs 11.3 gm/cm^3

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 9:54 am
From: Jon Elson


Ignoramus29535 wrote:

> (not completely idle interest)
>
> I was just wondering, how much mercury is in mercury relays such as 80
> amp three pole relays. A website claims that even a 35 amp single pole
> relay contains 251 grams of mercury, which is hard to believe.
>
> http://goo.gl/ESvOvC
Just shake it! You can probably feel the mercury sloshing around
in there. Yes, the huge old mercury contactors had an amazing
amount of the stuff in them.

Jon




== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:00 am
From: Paul Drahn


On 1/17/2014 9:54 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> Ignoramus29535 wrote:
>
>> (not completely idle interest)
>>
>> I was just wondering, how much mercury is in mercury relays such as 80
>> amp three pole relays. A website claims that even a 35 amp single pole
>> relay contains 251 grams of mercury, which is hard to believe.
>>
>> http://goo.gl/ESvOvC
> Just shake it! You can probably feel the mercury sloshing around
> in there. Yes, the huge old mercury contactors had an amazing
> amount of the stuff in them.
>
> Jon
I think more mercury would be required if the switch was activiated many
times per minute, at the rated amperage. Much more vapour would be
produced during the time of contact arcing.

Paul





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TOPIC: Uisng A Chucking Reamer
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 10:53 am
From: "Bob La Londe"


After calculating the speed and feed for an application do you rapid back
out, or do you retract at the same feed rate as you plunge?




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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:02 am
From: jon_banquer


On Friday, January 17, 2014 10:53:22 AM UTC-8, Bob La Londe wrote:
> After calculating the speed and feed for an application do you rapid back
>
> out, or do you retract at the same feed rate as you plunge?
>
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Rapid out.




== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 17 2014 11:44 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"


jon_banquer <jonbanquer@yahoo.com> fired this volley in news:15e12c16-1f5b-
4377-9a3d-6fc81a93d2b9@googlegroups.com:

> Rapid out.

Yeah. If the reamer is sharp and you dawdle in the hole, any tiny bit of
misalignment between tailstock and headstock will translate to the reamer's
taking more cuts as it exits. You can't completely eliminate that, but you
can minimize it by getting out of the hole as fast as possible.

If everything were perfect, it wouldn't do any cutting on the way out,
anyway, so the speed wouldn't matter. But it does.

Lloyd




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