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TOPIC: What is it? Set 322
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ad6b67af8694d2e9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:50 pm
From: "LDosser"

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:hked77$qav$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article
> <8dee6dd5-d75e-484f-b42c-c9c4edd514e2@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, pierre
> <pdavid@bw.edu> wrote:
>>On Feb 4, 5:31=A0am, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Today's set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>>For sure, 1845 is an antique Egyptian or Assyrian pillow or headrest.
>>Ouch.
>>
>>http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~ancient/museum9.htm
>
> Wow. I would *never* have guessed that, and I thought you were joking
> until I
> looked at the link -- I had it figured for resting the opposite end.

The stuffing and cover are missing ...

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TOPIC: A test for young people
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e250300c60eaaa8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:50 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:OM1an.148797$er1.60623@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>I took a look on Google and couldn't find a thing about it. Amazing.
>>Anyway,
>>I called some sports car shop in the area and talked to an old guy who
>>remembers it, and another young one in another shop who's heard about it;
>>the first thinks it actually was in Empire, and the second thinks it was
>>on
>>Holiday Hill Road. I just flat-out don't remember. It was not exactly a
>>big
>>hill, unlike Giant's Despair.
>>
>
> Holiday Hill Road, iirc, winds up to a possibly defunct ski operation. It
> was the end
> point for the Ice Man MTB race when I was in good enough shape to do it a
> number of years
> ago. Entered twice, finished once. (we had snow that year!)
>
> No comment on Empire, since I really don't recall the topology.
>
> Wes

If you noticed my other post, the old timers say it was Empire. But there's
still something I'm not sure about: Why was it called the Traverse City
Hillclimb? I'm sure it was. One guy said it was because a Traverse City club
sponsored it in the early years. And he described the course, which sounds
vaguely familiar -- although still vague. These guys started around 1970; I
drove in the '68 event.

I still have a source or two to check out.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Notice anything about this picture?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/935a7d770778ec9a?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:51 pm
From: "pdrahn@coinet.com"

On Feb 4, 6:49 pm, Ignoramus25542 <ignoramus25...@NOSPAM.
25542.invalid> wrote:
> http://i.ss.lv/images/2009-12-14/170744/VnoJG0xhRlg=/facilities-the-t...

Sold your new lathe already?

Paul

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:53 pm
From: Ignoramus25542

On 2010-02-05, pdrahn@coinet.com <co_farmer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 6:49?pm, Ignoramus25542 <ignoramus25...@NOSPAM.
> 25542.invalid> wrote:
>> http://i.ss.lv/images/2009-12-14/170744/VnoJG0xhRlg=/facilities-the-t...
>
> Sold your new lathe already?
>

Not at all.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:43 pm
From: "William Wixon"

"Ignoramus25542" <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote in message
news:Pf2dnVmBC7XLGvbWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> http://i.ss.lv/images/2009-12-14/170744/VnoJG0xhRlg=/facilities-the-tool-and-the-equipment-metalworking-equipment-5.800.jpg

severed human arm?

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:52 pm
From: Ignoramus25542

On 2010-02-05, William Wixon <wwixon@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> "Ignoramus25542" <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Pf2dnVmBC7XLGvbWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> http://i.ss.lv/images/2009-12-14/170744/VnoJG0xhRlg=/facilities-the-tool-and-the-equipment-metalworking-equipment-5.800.jpg
>
> severed human arm?

that's what attracted my attention...

Now for the record, I do not think that it is severed, it looks like
the guy behind the lathe is trying to reach the ratchet tiedown, but
it looks kind of severed.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 9:00 pm
From: "William Wixon"

"Ignoramus25542" <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote in message
news:tcadnfCeZs-VC_bWnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-02-05, William Wixon <wwixon@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Ignoramus25542" <ignoramus25542@NOSPAM.25542.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:Pf2dnVmBC7XLGvbWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> http://i.ss.lv/images/2009-12-14/170744/VnoJG0xhRlg=/facilities-the-tool-and-the-equipment-metalworking-equipment-5.800.jpg
>>
>> severed human arm?
>
> that's what attracted my attention...
>
> Now for the record, I do not think that it is severed, it looks like
> the guy behind the lathe is trying to reach the ratchet tiedown, but
> it looks kind of severed.
>
> i

lol. yeah, me too, it was funny.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:14 pm
From: Jon Anderson

William Wixon wrote:

> severed human arm?

I thought maybe Thing had gotten into used machinery... <G>

Jon

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TOPIC: Lathe Rant..... and some Qs....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c98cff43a029c9e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 6:53 pm
From: "pdrahn@coinet.com"

On Feb 4, 1:49 pm, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
> Awl --
>
> So my buddy's fairly robust SouthBend-Nordic-15 (very accurate, 60" bed, I
> believe) went on the fritz, blowing fuses -- worked the the night before,
> the next morning, bzzzzt....
>
> When he was in Brooklyn, I was mostly off the hook for his repairs, but now
> that he is in Yonkers, not far from me.... goodgawd.....
>
> So I open the lower panel, and Holy Shit..... the first thought that came
> to my mind is:
> Just how many fukn wires and electro-mechanical gadgets do you g-d need
> to rotate a fukn spindle???????
>
> I said, Dude, I hope you have a fukn book/print for this thing.....
>
> Long story short, since he couldn't find the book, I eliminated all
> supply-side problems, and then *I think* I was able to isolate the motor
> electrically, and indeed, the motor appears blown.
>
> Which in a sense is not so bad, because having that motor re-wound will
> likely be a fraction of the cost of actually having to replace anything from
> SouthBend.... The last switch gadget he had to buy was effing $900!!!!.
>
> BUT, it is going to be one muthafucka to get to that motor, since the lathe
> is in, uh, a fairly "compact" shop.... goodgawd.....
>
> But here are the Qs:
>
> 1. Is this a "motor constantly on" type lathe, with the crank switch (off
> the carriage) engaging a clutch?
> Or is the motor itself activated by the carriage crank switch?
>
> Ahm no spert, but the only clutch-ditty I've seen was the newer square head
> Clausing Colchesters, with that shitty multi-plate ditty that never worked
> right on our machine. Nice machine, but what a pita that clutch was.
>
> 2. WTF *IS* alladat shit inside the control panel?
>
> I see a transformer (about 10 lbs mebbe), with a dozen taps going to a
> terminal ditty with two bitty glass fuses; a heavy duty diode *full wave
> rectifier*!! DC???? For what?????
>
> A fancy-shmancy twist handle breakered switch, a semi-normal contactor, and
> some abnormal relay with some kind of timer knob?? timing what???, and
> three little can-type ditties, one in series with each phase wire, about
> 3/4" dia x 1" long.
> And another terminal block with a cupla dozen wires on it.
>
> Goodgawd..... for a *motor*????
>
> I guess what I would like is mebbe an overview, and overall sense of why all
> this stuff is necessary.
> Heh, my crappy li'l 13x40 Enco has a bit of control box as well, but since
> nuthin has broke yet, I don't have to be indignant about it yet.
>
> He has the book "somewhere", altho if/when he finds it, I don't know how
> helpful it would be for the print.
>
> None of this is critical now, since I'm 99.9% sure it is a blown motor, but
> goddamm, it would be nice to grok what alladat stuff is for.
> --
> EA

Many applications use a shot of DC to brake an AC motor.

Paul

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TOPIC: Home of the Free, the Brave and the Gay
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e498f6bd3200ff6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:00 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <Xns9D1590CC9BE1Fhopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The
Sandman)" says...
>
> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.25d400b64cea72b7fb0
> @news.bytemine.net:
>
> > In article <b7a5d4f6-1ca1-4167-bfc1-
> > 5c83d77af1dc@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, too_many_tools@yahoo.com
> > says...
> >> Both homo and hetrosexuality are normal...check the science.
> >>
> >
> > Last time I checked a hetrosexual couple can reporduce by having sex..
> > A homosexual couple cannot..
> >
> > Do you think it normal a species would evolve in such a manner as to
> not
> > be able to reproduce itself ?
> >
>
> Be careful there, Tank. Many species indulge in homosexual behaviour.
> Not for procreation of course, but they do indulge.

Pleasure wasn't the issue..
Furthering the species is.

I can care less what people do for fun but don't try to convince me it's
"normal"

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:16 pm
From: John Redthorn

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
> On 2/4/2010 1:24 AM, Patriot Games wrote:
>> tankfixer wrote:
>>> In article <b7a5d4f6-1ca1-4167-bfc1-
>>> 5c83d77af1dc@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, too_many_tools@yahoo.com
>>> says...
>>>> Both homo and hetrosexuality are normal...check the science.
>>>>
>>> Last time I checked a hetrosexual couple can reporduce by having sex..
>>> A homosexual couple cannot..
>>>
>>> Do you think it normal a species would evolve in such a manner as to not
>>> be able to reproduce itself ?
>> Species sometimes do things just for the fun of it, especially those
>> species that we consider more highly evolved.
>>
>
> Name one.... what Genetic evolutionary trait is purely for natures
> fun(in any animal on the planet)? Meaning it is not even entertaining
> but just natures joke on us.
>
>> You don't really believe that the existence of homosexuality threatens
>> the existence of any given species, do you? The vast majority of humans
>
> Being a mutation that is not directed towards reproduction but against
> it, means that it won't "help" the human species survive. That trait is
> defeating the progress and sustainability of humanity.

How? By not breeding in the face of unsustainable population growth?

Yikes, you wingnuts have mush fer brains.

>> are heterosexual yet humans, at present, have outstripped the planet's
>> ability to supply all with the basic necessities, such as clean water
>> and arable land. Clearly, homosexuality in humans has not been a
>> hindrance to the growth of the human population.
>
> That doesn't make it "normal"
>
>> Perhaps homosexuality
>> is just one of nature's means of curbing the unsustainable growth of the
>> human population. Perhaps homosexuality is not all that "unnatural".
>
> What organism genetically disrupts normal reproduction its self, to
> prevent over population?
>
> Besides... people are too fat and we aren't running out of land or water
> and the earth is able to produce enough food to feed all the humans on
> the planet, the only problem is distribution through the war lords and
> stopping the communists/Leftists from starving their people via
> ignorance and megalomania.
>
> I don't buy your argument.
>
>
>
>

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:16 pm
From: "HH&C"

On Feb 4, 12:15 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:41:10 -0500, Larry Graham
>
>
>
>
>
> <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
> > Lookout wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:17:38 -0500, Larry Graham
> >> <Slyandthefam...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
> >>>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> >>>>On Feb 3, 2:01 pm, Kasim Sulton <Uto...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
> >>>>>Lookout wrote:
>
> >>>>>>Homosexuality really scares you. Why?
>
> >>>>>Because you faggots spread disease when your penises go from man-ass
> >>>>>to man-mouth, and back again, when you attempt to lick yourselves
> >>>>>clean.
>
> >>>>>Why do you fear Heterosexuality?
> >>>>>You know.. the NORMAL thing! :)
>
> >>>>>It's not like you and yer butt buddy "TMT" are gonna have a girl when
> >>>>>you plook him in the ass.
>
> >>>>>Just because YOU came out the wrong hole when born, means nothing.
>
> >>>>LOL...was that the right question to ask!
>
> >>>Your butt buddy "Lookout" just said that being a homo is normal!
>
> >> I said doctors have said that. You're lying again.
>
> >>>No wonder you are scared stiff to show up and take my guns away!
>
> >> No one ever said someone was going to. You're lying again.
>
> > Your Butt buddy "TMT" said exactly that. And HE said that you were his
> > friend!
>
> >>>Now I have more legal reasons to end your silly lives, IF you try to
> >>>enter my home illegaly.
>
> >> Why would anyone do that?
>
> > Because that is what normal people like me try to do, when you silly
> > freaks break into the homes of us normal people.
>
> > First I say "Stop! Follow my orders, or die!" Then I shoot you anyway.
>
> >>>You faggots have cooties, AND you want to commit burglary!
>
> >> You're afraid of your own sexuality.
>
> > Why would I be afraid of being a normal man, defending my normal female
> > wife, in our normal home?
>
> > "TMT" said he was coming to my house to take my guns away, with his
> > friends. Then he said he would bring his "friends."
>
> > YOU are listed as being one of his friends.
>
> > YOU just insinuated that you are very gay.
>
> > Do the math, buttercup.
>
> Pig Brick/Basil Karlo/Libby Loo morphed another alias...
>
> Buh-bye!

Alberto Curl-Lee complains about other people being anonymous?

> --
> Regards, Curly
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
> The Bible: Slavery good. Gays bad. Snakes talk.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:21 pm
From: John Redthorn

tankfixer wrote:
> In article <Xns9D1590CC9BE1Fhopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The
> Sandman)" says...
>> tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.25d400b64cea72b7fb0
>> @news.bytemine.net:
>>
>>> In article <b7a5d4f6-1ca1-4167-bfc1-
>>> 5c83d77af1dc@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, too_many_tools@yahoo.com
>>> says...
>>>> Both homo and hetrosexuality are normal...check the science.
>>>>
>>> Last time I checked a hetrosexual couple can reporduce by having sex..
>>> A homosexual couple cannot..
>>>
>>> Do you think it normal a species would evolve in such a manner as to
>> not
>>> be able to reproduce itself ?
>>>
>> Be careful there, Tank. Many species indulge in homosexual behaviour.
>> Not for procreation of course, but they do indulge.
>
> Pleasure wasn't the issue..
> Furthering the species is.
>
> I can care less what people do for fun but don't try to convince me it's
> "normal"

Blowjobs and eatin' pussy are not directed toward procreation.
Therefore, by yer standards, blowjobs and eatin' pussy are not normal. I
guess you, being a normal guy, have never had a blowjob or eaten any pussy.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:22 pm
From: Lookout

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:41:10 -0500, Larry Graham
<Slyandthefamily@bass.gov> wrote:

>Lookout wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:17:38 -0500, Larry Graham
>> <Slyandthefamily@bass.gov> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Feb 3, 2:01 pm, Kasim Sulton <Uto...@bass.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lookout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Homosexuality really scares you. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because you faggots spread disease when your penises go from man-ass to
>>>>>man-mouth, and back again, when you attempt to lick yourselves clean.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you fear Heterosexuality?
>>>>>You know.. the NORMAL thing! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not like you and yer butt buddy "TMT" are gonna have a girl when
>>>>>you plook him in the ass.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just because YOU came out the wrong hole when born, means nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LOL...was that the right question to ask!
>>>
>>>Your butt buddy "Lookout" just said that being a homo is normal!

My butt buddy? More 3rd grade insults?

No..I said that you dork. And every psychiatric and medical
organization says the same thing.
>>
>>
>> I said doctors have said that. You're lying again.
>>
>>>No wonder you are scared stiff to show up and take my guns away!

I have no way of doing that. I don't know if you have any guns...I
doubt you do. I am not local law enforcement and if you do have guns
they may be legal.
So why are you making shit up again? I never said I was going to. Why
do you lie so much>

>>
>> No one ever said someone was going to. You're lying again.
>
>Your Butt buddy "TMT" said exactly that.
>And HE said that you were his friend!

He can say whatever he wants. I have him filtered so I don't see his
posts.

>>>Now I have more legal reasons to end your silly lives, IF you try to
>>>enter my home illegaly.
>
>> Why would anyone do that?
>
>Because that is what normal people like me try to do, when you silly
>freaks break into the homes of us normal people.

Can you prove any of this?

>First I say "Stop! Follow my orders, or die!"
>Then I shoot you anyway.

You've never shot anyone. You're lying again.

>>>You faggots have cooties, AND you want to commit burglary!
>
>> You're afraid of your own sexuality.
>
>Why would I be afraid of being a normal man, defending my normal female
>wife, in our normal home?

You don't know what normal is.

>"TMT" said he was coming to my house to take my guns away, with his friends.
>Then he said he would bring his "friends."
>
>YOU are listed as being one of his friends.

Again..I don't care what he says.

>
>YOU just insinuated that you are very gay.

Nope. Lying again.
>
>Do the math, buttercup.

You sound very afraid of anyone sexuality and you use gun metaphors to
try to show off. Very immature.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:22 pm
From: Lookout

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:18:44 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:

>On 2/4/2010 11:41 AM, Larry Graham wrote:
>> Lookout wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:17:38 -0500, Larry Graham
>>> <Slyandthefamily@bass.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2:01 pm, Kasim Sulton <Uto...@bass.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Homosexuality really scares you. Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because you faggots spread disease when your penises go from
>>>>>> man-ass to
>>>>>> man-mouth, and back again, when you attempt to lick yourselves clean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you fear Heterosexuality?
>>>>>> You know.. the NORMAL thing! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not like you and yer butt buddy "TMT" are gonna have a girl when
>>>>>> you plook him in the ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because YOU came out the wrong hole when born, means nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL...was that the right question to ask!
>>>>
>>>> Your butt buddy "Lookout" just said that being a homo is normal!
>>>
>>>
>>> I said doctors have said that. You're lying again.
>>>
>>>
>>>> No wonder you are scared stiff to show up and take my guns away!
>>>
>>>
>>> No one ever said someone was going to. You're lying again.
>>
>> Your Butt buddy "TMT" said exactly that.
>> And HE said that you were his friend!
>>
>>
>>>> Now I have more legal reasons to end your silly lives, IF you try to
>>>> enter my home illegaly.
>>
>>> Why would anyone do that?
>>
>> Because that is what normal people like me try to do, when you silly
>> freaks break into the homes of us normal people.
>>
>> First I say "Stop! Follow my orders, or die!"
>> Then I shoot you anyway.
>>
>>>> You faggots have cooties, AND you want to commit burglary!
>>
>>> You're afraid of your own sexuality.
>
>Here is where you tell us we are all having homosexual feelings and we
>are scared to accept that we are GAY.....
>
>Somehow you Gays

Who are you talking to>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:02 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <4b6ae975$0$22817$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com says...
>
> On 2/4/2010 12:11 AM, tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <4b6a3391$0$6584$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>, Then-
> > Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com says...
> >>
> >> On 2/3/2010 9:35 PM, tankfixer wrote:
> >>> In article <hkd1v4$sn3$2@news.eternal-september.org>, sid9@belsouth.net
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> "RM v2.0" <Blah@spamsux.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:ohnan.219326$FK3.89983@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ALL of these gods now demand their own verses too !!!
> >>>>>>> http://www.godfinder.org/
> >>>>>>> Plus all the rest.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What part of separation of churchs & state was unclear?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where is that in the Constitution? Putting verses on a scope is not
> >>>>> passing a law.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> .
> >>>> .
> >>>> The government owns those rifles and issued them to our soldiers.
> >>>
> >>> The government didn't demand the verses be on the scopes, the
> >>> manufacture has been doing it for years regardless of who the customer
> >>> was.
> >>>
> >>> Would you like the cross hairs removed too ?
> >>
> >> Take those guns away and let the soldiers see how wonderful Political
> >> Correctness is that they are fighting for, as they stand around with no
> >> guns.
> >
> > Did you know the items in question are detachable sights ?
>
> Take the sights off the gun, but then that's about like having a gun
> with no bullets..... I'd heard it was a scope.... the point is it's
> just stupid to care what is on the gun, just order the next gun sights
> without any extra editorial.

The iron sights are still there..

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:03 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <hkfbd0$4dc$1@news.eternal-september.org>, sid9@belsouth.net
says...
>
> "RM v2.0" <Blah@spamsux.com> wrote in message
> news:%RFan.218618$IU1.214990@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> >
> > "Sid9" <sid9@belsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:hkd1v4$sn3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>
> >> "RM v2.0" <Blah@spamsux.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ohnan.219326$FK3.89983@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ALL of these gods now demand their own verses too !!!
> >>>>> http://www.godfinder.org/
> >>>>> Plus all the rest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What part of separation of churchs & state was unclear?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Where is that in the Constitution? Putting verses on a scope is not
> >>> passing a law.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> .
> >> .
> >> The government owns those rifles and issued them to our soldiers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Again, where is a law being passed? Govt prints and hands out money too.
> >
> .
> .
> The Christian slogan "In God we trust" doesn't belong there either.

If it bothers you so much then send your money to me.

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TOPIC: Failin' Palin fails to pay taxes on two houses she owns..........LOL!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/af53d8ce4d7352ca?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:07 pm
From: <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .>

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Records show that Sarah Palin has not paid any property
taxes on cabins that have been built on two backcountry plots partially
owned by the former Alaska governor.

It's unclear how long ago the structures were built, but records show that
there are no tax assessments for the buildings. Property taxes were only
paid on the land – and not the structures themselves.

The issue has attracted the attention of local tax officials who conducted a
scheduled aerial survey of the property on Thursday.

Palin's attorney, Thomas Van Flein, says it is not the responsibility of
property owners to report structures that go up on their land. But local
assessor Dave Dunivan says owners are required by state law to report any
omissions or errors in their tax assessments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/04/palin-did-not-pay-taxes-o_n_450344.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:37 pm
From: Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:07:25 +1100, <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .!
!!! .> wrote:

>ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Records show that Sarah Palin has not paid any property
>taxes on cabins that have been built on two backcountry plots partially
>owned by the former Alaska governor.
>
>It's unclear how long ago the structures were built, but records show that
>there are no tax assessments for the buildings. Property taxes were only
>paid on the land – and not the structures themselves.
>
>The issue has attracted the attention of local tax officials who conducted a
>scheduled aerial survey of the property on Thursday.
>
>Palin's attorney, Thomas Van Flein, says it is not the responsibility of
>property owners to report structures that go up on their land. But local
>assessor Dave Dunivan says owners are required by state law to report any
>omissions or errors in their tax assessments.
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/04/palin-did-not-pay-taxes-o_n_450344.html
>

No doubt the locale where the cabins were built don't require building
permits. Or maybe the First Dude just ignored the requirement.

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TOPIC: From another group
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e0d421976878f5ac?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:16 pm
From: RoyJ

Ignore the website, just go to the photos.

Wes wrote:
> RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>>> found in sci.electronics.design..quite a shop...
>>>
>>> http://www.users.uswest.net/~kmaxon/index.html
>
>
>> That's a bit insane!
>
> His website design? It hurt my eyes.
>
> Wes
> --
> "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
> government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
> in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: OT - The Public-Union Ascendancy -- Government union members now
outnumber private for the first time
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3fedebb8f7261463?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:25 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:44:01 -0800 (PST), the infamous
"pdrahn@coinet.com" <co_farmer@yahoo.com> scrawled the following:

>On Feb 3, 6:29 am, Joseph Gwinn <joegw...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The title tells the story.
>>
>> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870383700457501342406064946
>> 4.html>
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal, 3 February 2010.
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
>
>Certainly true in Oregon. The recent vote on higher taxes showed the
>measures lost in all counties, EXCEPT those with the largest number of
>active and retired government employees, and their family and
>relatives. We are screwed.

Turn out the lights. The party's over.

--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:41 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Feb 4, 8:02 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

> Since congress writes the laws that control corporations they do have
> the right to decide how much power they should have and how much they
> will allow the corporations to be involved in elections. To me they
> should have no part in elections. Elections are strictly for real
> persons and not artificial ones.
>
> Hawke

Congress can and has written laws that are unconstitutional.

Dan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 7:50 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Feb 4, 11:17 pm, "William Wixon" <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>
> do you feel the "do not call" registry is an infringement on corporate free
> speech?
>
> b.w.

I think free speech is a right of corporations. But the people have
the right to make up their own minds and also the right not to
listen. Which is kind of why I think the latest decision of the
Supreme Court will not make a whole lot of difference. The more TV
ads, the less people will listen.

Dan

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TOPIC: EVER HEAR OF A 31/32-28 TAP?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/69997ffffaaad32e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:00 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Feb 4, 7:57 pm, Randy <rbraun...@enter.net> wrote:
> Some guy called me looking for a 31/32" - 28 tpi tap for a faucet. MSC
> and Google both come up with nothing. does it exsist?
>
> Thank You,
> Randy

You are sure it is not metric?

Dan

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TOPIC: reversing contactors (or motor starters), let's dismantle and modify
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4f3822614b1ad2e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 4 2010 8:08 pm
From: Stuart Wheaton

dave wrote:
> hi lads
>
> I need a pretty big (normal "non-reversing") three-pole contactor, and
> the friggers are pricey. so used is OK. my finished product doesn't have
> to pass code or ANY sort of elec'l inspection. I've noticed reversing
> contactors sometimes sell for less than 'normal' three pole contactors
> on ebay. I need to end up with something in the 'nema size 2' range.
> maybe bigger.
>
> I'm thinking I can buy a reversing contactor (or motor starter), remove
> any neccessary 'crossbar' connectors and small wires, and end up with a
> normal (non-reversing) contactor *plus* some spare contacts and screws,
> etc. obviously, I'm not talking about the 'new-fangled' solid-state
> contactors here (nor do I want one)
>
> so, that a doable do?

Generally speaking, there would be no need to cut or grind anything.
The only difference between two separate contactors and a reversing
contactor is that the reversing ones are interlocked to prevent both
sides from being pulled in at the same time. If you only need one side,
you could just ignore the second set of poles and consider it a spare
standby contactor, ready to be swapped in with just a few minutes work.

>
> if cutting or grinding (of the phenolic contactor body, or of steel, or
> copper bars is involved, I can handle that "no big deal"
>
> please, no 'dire safety warnings' or 'I'm an OSHA dishrag' type replies.
> this is just a 'assuming the correct skillset, and the right tools, can
> it be done?' type question; I'm not here looking for 'binding legal
> opinions' or seeking safety advice
>
> *thanks* guys :-)
>
> Mr Toolie
> of the florida swamps
>
> with a tip of the hat to gunner and ig, and all you other regular guys :-)

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