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TOPIC: OT-Social Security $28 billion in the hole
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 6:59 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:tuSdnUcbb5O8OujWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "cavelamb" <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ufOdnSXms6ZJYenWnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>> I guess the problem that I have is that you are a rational man.
>>>>> I just don't see that in the political mess.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm going mostly on history, Richard. And the numbers.
>>>>
>>>> There are all kinds of surprising facts in the numbers. For example,
>>>> the percentage of employed adults now is higher than it was in the
>>>> '50s. Manufacturing output in the US, except for the recessionary
>>>> downturn, has been on a steady climb for decades.
>>>>
>>>> These things don't mean that everything is really Ok. They do mean that
>>>> our problems are structural.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm suspicious that Mark Twain's comment about lies, damn lies, and
>>> statistics
>>> may be invoked there, Ed.
>>>
>>> For example, the percentage of employed adults now is higher than it was
>>> in the '50s could be simply that women are working now.
>>
>> Of course, but not to the extent you seem to imply. The point is, there
>> are just as many jobs per capita as there were then.
>>
>>> It takes two?
>>> To maintain the desired standard of living?
>>
>> Is that something you know, something you've heard, or something you made
>> up on your own? What is the "desired standard of living" that you're
>> referring to?
>>
>> Question all popular slogans, bromides, and speculations.
>>
>>> Or that more families have broken apart and There are more single parent
>>> families?
>>
>> Are you asking, suggesting, or just tossing out herrings?
>>
>>> There are more ways to interpret that, but you get my drift?
>>
>> There are answers to your questions. They don't exist in your head. They
>> don't exist in news editorials. They don't exist in political slogans.
>>
>> If you want to know the answers, you can find them.
>>
>>> The numbers are interesting - and compelling.
>>>
>>> But what do they really mean to us?
>>
>> First, find out what they *are*. Then you can think about what they mean.
>>
>
>
> ED!
>
> If I have to "think about what they mean"...
> then there are no solid answers.
>
> We are probably not asking the right questions.
>
> What's really important, what we area all asking is
> what dos all this mean to me and mine...

I'm working on the question of what it means to the country, as well as to
individuals. It's an exceedingly difficult question but the basic facts are
not difficult to find.

My point is that you can't BEGIN to think about the implications until you
know all of the available facts. As you may have noticed here over the
years, when someone makes the effort to find out what the facts are,
conversations may to come to an abrupt halt -- because often they are not at
all what is being assumed in the conversation.

Many issues relating to employment and income are of this type. (Even more
so, issues concerning foreign trade.) If you know that the same percentage
of people are working at one time in history, when the economy is booming
and unemployment is low, versus another time when we're in a recession and
unemployment is high, it presents another series of questions. But if you're
wondering why the economy isn't producing as many jobs as it did back in the
'50s, the answer is...that you're asking the wrong question, because it
*does* produce as many jobs now, relative to the size of the population.

How about trade? We export roughly $1 Trillion in goods. With almost five
times our population, China exports $1.2 Trillion. And we aren't exporting
mostly commodities: our biggest export category, roughly 40% of the total,
is capital equipment -- machinery. Be careful what you wish for in terms of
trade restrictions.

So if you want to know what it all means to you and yours, and we all do,
first find out what's going on. That's my point. We can't start in the
middle of this conversation if we don't know where it begins.

--
Ed Huntress

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:31 pm
From: cavelamb

Ed Huntress wrote:

> So if you want to know what it all means to you and yours, and we all do,
> first find out what's going on. That's my point. We can't start in the
> middle of this conversation if we don't know where it begins.
>

That was my point.
If it's your point too, then we agree.

Now.
To the point of being rude (please forgive)
how the hell do you expect ANYONE to work this out.

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: Guns Save Lives -- Again!
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:04 pm
From: "Royston Vasey"

"Rich Grise on Google groups" <richardgrise@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:644d07aa-5287-430b-ac0b-14721bf6dc88@w27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> do, please forward it to your friends.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>
> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>

[sinpped]

> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
> Rights!

Looks like they helped out here as well:

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/20100213103321/Article/index_html

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:21 pm
From: Beryl

Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> do, please forward it to your friends.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

3 dead, 3 hurt in Alabama campus shooting
<http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-12-alabama-university-shooting_N.htm>
Woman faculty member denied tenure at University of Alabama's Huntsville
campus, kills three biology professors and injures three other employees
at the school Friday.
It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.

But, gee Rich, if the lady hadn't lost her temper this Friday, she might
have been able to thwart a crime somewhere next Friday. And that middle
school kid, he definitely could have thwarted a crime somwehere last
Thursday if he was in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't,
so he killed a student on Friday instead.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:38 pm
From: Bart!

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:00:27 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <4B75DE94.87A0285F@Hovnanian.com>, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul@Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
>>>
>>[snip]
>>>
>>> So what's the point
>>
>>The gun control faction just lost a voter.
>>
>Felons can't vote anyway...

You're an idiot. Some states try that horseshit, but the fact is that
only incarcerated felons or felons still on parole have less than full
citizenship rights and the ONLY "right" they lose after that is the
ability to legally own, carry, or use a firearm, and even *that*
disability can be expunged.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:44 pm
From: Bungalow Bill

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:05:40 -0800 (PST), "langwadt@fonz.dk"
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>On 12 Feb., 22:25, Rich Grise on Google groups
><richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>>
>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. �If you
>> do, please forward it to your friends.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>>
>> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>>
>> Several months ago, in the notoriously dangerous neighborhood of
>> College Park in Atlanta, Georgia, two armed criminals broke into a
>> house party of students.
>>
>> After confiscating the group's valuables, the invaders split the men
>> and women up into different rooms.
>>
>> Witnesses say the perpetrators then counted their rounds and discussed
>> if they had "enough" ammunition.
>>
>> The students believe the gunmen were going to rape and murder the
>> entire group of students, who were celebrating a birthday at the end
>> of the semester.
>>
>> However, one male student, whose identity is being protected by police
>> and local media, retrieved a handgun from his backpack and fired at
>> the thug who was detaining the men.
>>
>> (That is: One smart student had prepared for a night in College Park,
>> Atlanta.)
>>
>> The criminal fled the apartment under the threat of injury and never
>> returned.
>>
>> The student, continuing on into the girls' room, found the other thug,
>> 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, preparing to rape his first victim.
>>
>> The student exchanged gunfire with Lavant, lethally wounding him in
>> the process. �Lavant fled through a window and died in front of his
>> apartment, only one building away.
>>
>> One of the female students was injured during the exchange, but
>> doctors expect a full and complete recovery.
>>
>> So what's the point
>>
>> A student saved the girls from rape, and saved the whole group of 10
>> people (including himself) from murder . . . and he did it with a
>> handgun.
>>
>> This is a perfect example of how ludicrous "big city gun laws" are.
>> What if this had happened in New York, Chicago, or any of the other
>> big cities that criminalize their citizens' self defense?
>>
>> Yes, we would be reading an entirely different story -- one so
>> horrendous that we would shudder at the very words.
>>
>> Either this whole group of friends would have been raped and murdered
>> by these two sorry excuses for human beings . . . or the hero of this
>> story would be facing prison time for firearm possession and murder.
>>
>> Thankfully, however, Atlanta hasn't outlawed self-defense yet. �And
>> since someone had a gun and was willing to use it, innocent life was
>> preserved.
>>
>> Congratulations to the unnamed hero of this story. �You saved your
>> friends' lives.
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Dudley Brown
>> Executive Director
>> National Association for Gun Rights
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To help the National Association for Gun Rights grow, please forward
>> this to a friend.
>>
>> To view this email as a web page, please click this link: view online.
>>
>> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
>> Rights!
>
>that is about as relevant to anything as if a organization called
>"guys agains seltbelts"
>said you shouldn't wear seatbelts because in they have a story about
>some guy who
>survived a crash because he didn't.
>
>I'm sure the risk of something going really bad is much worse with
>guys bringing guns
>to a party getting drunk and killing someone is much much higher than
>the remote
>chance that one of them will be the hero that saves the day, given the
>utterly remote
>risk that it is just that one party in trillion that some decides to
>break into and kill all.
>
>-Lasse

You must not watch much news over there, or are too illiterate to know
what is going on.

14 teenagers were slaughtered just a couple weeks ago. They have
already caught one of the shooters.

So we are already up to 2 parties, and there haven't even been a
billion parties yet in the world, much less a trillion.

Pretty much means that you are an idiot. A statistical dingledorf.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:08 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I remember couldn't find strike any wheres for
ages. Found them in an old country store, and
bought more than one pack.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in
message
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> On looking around, 6/30/2010 is the last date
> for manufacture of the
> older magnetic ballasts in this country. One of
> those "green" things
> that got passed without a lot of fanfare.

Oh, no. Another thing I have to hoard!

On the other hand, Diamond strike-anywhere matches
seem to be back!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:42 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <hl554n$ju1$1@news.eternal-september.org>, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I remember couldn't find strike any wheres for
>ages. Found them in an old country store, and
>bought more than one pack.
>
When are you going to fix your newsreader configuration so it puts your sig at
the bottom where it belongs?

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TOPIC: Obama Fiddles while our County Shivers
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:10 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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> Wes wrote:
>> Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bush/Cheney did one hell of a job on the country. You expect the
>>> Democrats to fix everything they broke in one year?
>>
>> Learn to count. Congress changed hands over 3 years ago. A President
>> can't do much unless Congress authorizes funding.
>>
>> Wes
>
>
> You need to know a little more than just the basic numbers. George Bush
> didn't issue a single veto in the first six years of his presidency, which
> is unheard of in the modern era. After that he issued a lot, not
> coincidentally that was when he lost the republican majority in congress.
> He vetoed everything the Democratic congress voted to do. He also had
> enough republicans to sustain his vetoes. That means even though the
> majority in congress was Democratic because of the republicans president
> and congressional minority they majority was stymied. But that fact
> doesn't change the other fact that the policies Bush implemented can't be
> fixed over night or even in one year. The fallout from bad policies can
> take years or even decades to repair. Which is what is happening now. Most
> people know that too. I just saw a poll on TV minutes ago that fixed blame
> on our economic problems. Only 7% blame Obama but 31% blame Bush and 23%
> blame Wall Street. So most people do think Bush is to blame. This time
> their right.
>
>
> Hawke

Poor little Hack, you need to know a little more than just the basic
numbers. First he complains about no vetoes, and then he complains about a
lot of vetoes. The fact is that the democrats write bad bills filled with
earmarks, and need to get vetoed.

And poor Hack really needs to learn how to count. It wasn't that he issued
"a lot" of vetoes, it was only twelve. And he didn't veto everything, it
just seems that way when you're a libtard flailing your limpy wrists.

And of the twelve bills that he vetoed, the democrats were only "stymied" on
half of them. But when you're a lib flailing your wrists about, I guess
knowing how to count is unimportant compared to the need to scream about
something in your shrill libtard shrill voices.

What's more important, is that 0bama is a big zero loser who had a majority
to work with, no obstacles at all, and couldn't get anything done. 0zero
with 0zero accomplishments as President. Now that's a sad state of affairs.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:06 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

The press is controlled by the left of center group.
Why don't you think the numbers are odd.

1. If a R president has a R congress - the bills are ok by them.
Filibusters and meetings were held with all four parties there.

2. When the D congress dumps thousands of pages in a single bill -
RED flags fly up since they are the invention of fraud of the D party.

D congress won't pass bills that the president loves - simple as that.

Get thy head thinking and halt the blind head.

Martin

Hawke wrote:
> Wes wrote:
>> Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bush/Cheney did one hell of a job on the country. You expect the
>>> Democrats to fix everything they broke in one year?
>>
>> Learn to count. Congress changed hands over 3 years ago.
>> A President can't do much unless Congress authorizes funding.
>>
>> Wes
>
>
> You need to know a little more than just the basic numbers. George Bush
> didn't issue a single veto in the first six years of his presidency,
> which is unheard of in the modern era. After that he issued a lot, not
> coincidentally that was when he lost the republican majority in
> congress. He vetoed everything the Democratic congress voted to do. He
> also had enough republicans to sustain his vetoes. That means even
> though the majority in congress was Democratic because of the
> republicans president and congressional minority they majority was
> stymied. But that fact doesn't change the other fact that the policies
> Bush implemented can't be fixed over night or even in one year. The
> fallout from bad policies can take years or even decades to repair.
> Which is what is happening now. Most people know that too. I just saw a
> poll on TV minutes ago that fixed blame on our economic problems. Only
> 7% blame Obama but 31% blame Bush and 23% blame Wall Street. So most
> people do think Bush is to blame. This time their right.
>
>
> Hawke

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:34 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 12, 2:55 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> Wes wrote:
> > Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
> >> Bush/Cheney did one hell of a job on the country. You expect the
> >> Democrats to fix everything they broke in one year?
>
> > Learn to count. Congress changed hands over 3 years ago.
>
> > A President can't do much unless Congress authorizes funding.
>
> > Wes
>
> You need to know a little more than just the basic numbers. George Bush
> didn't issue a single veto in the first six years of his presidency,
> which is unheard of in the modern era. After that he issued a lot, not
> coincidentally that was when he lost the republican majority in
> congress. He vetoed everything the Democratic congress voted to do. He
> also had enough republicans to sustain his vetoes. That means even
> though the majority in congress was Democratic because of the
> republicans president and congressional minority they majority was
> stymied. But that fact doesn't change the other fact that the policies
> Bush implemented can't be fixed over night or even in one year. The
> fallout from bad policies can take years or even decades to repair.
> Which is what is happening now. Most people know that too. I just saw a
> poll on TV minutes ago that fixed blame on our economic problems. Only
> 7% blame Obama but 31% blame Bush and 23% blame Wall Street. So most
> people do think Bush is to blame. This time their right.
>
> Hawke

Correct.

But Wes still doesn't get it.

TMT

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:35 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 12, 7:29 pm, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>
> news:hkvjir$3ss$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Burled Frau wrote:
> >> Fo Shizzle! Why won't homee just take the broom from his ole lady and
> >> twitch his nose to make it all go away?
> >> Broken plows, broken economy, broken country, broken dreams. Everyone is
> >> broke. Where's my change motherfucka?
>
> > Bush/Cheney did one hell of a job on the country. You expect the Democrats
> > to fix everything they broke in one year? What planet are you living on?
> > We told you that Bush would ruin the country, which he did. Now you want
> > it fixed overnight. Ain't going to happen. When you drive a country into
> > the ground it takes a long time to bring it back. Try to remember that
> > next time a republican says he can do a better job running things if you
> > just let him back in power. Don't believe him. He'll just repeat what Bush
> > did.
>
> > Hawke
>
> One year? You believe that lie? Don't you remember the election before
> that when the Dimocraps promised to fix everything if they got elected?
> Then they got elected but didn't fix anything, but they lied again and said
> all they needed was more dimocraps. Now there are plenty of dimocraps in
> office but their lie continues to be a lie. So far all the dimocraps have
> succeeded in is getting a republican elected in a state that only 11% are
> republicans, it's not easy to be that stupid but the dimocraps have managed!
>
> RogerN- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...words of a bitter loser.

TMT

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:36 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 12, 7:57 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...@Hovnanian.com> wrote in messagenews:4B75EA62.612590CB@Hovnanian.com...
>
> > Burled Frau wrote:
>
> >> Fo Shizzle! Why won't homee just take the broom from his ole lady and
> >> twitch
> >> his nose to make it all go away?
> >> Broken plows, broken economy, broken country, broken dreams. Everyone is
> >> broke. Where's my change motherfucka?
>
> > Fixing that stuff takes money. Money the tea-baggers don't want to
> > spend.
>
> > Take some personal responsibility. Learn to live without the gov't
> > having to wipe your runny little nose when it gets cold.
>
> The tea-baggers? I thought the tea-baggers were some small insignificant
> minority of loud mouthed nobodies. Why would you need their money? Obama is
> in charge of the county's money and economy, why can't his party of crooks
> dip into their booty of cash that they looted and take some responsibility
> of their own? Pull your pants up already 0bama. Mr. O'droopy-drawers!

The teabaggers are Repubicans in drag.

TMT

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:38 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 12, 9:10 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>
> news:hl4f8g$h1p$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Wes wrote:
> >> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Bush/Cheney did one hell of a job on the country. You expect the
> >>> Democrats to fix everything they broke in one year?
>
> >> Learn to count. Congress changed hands over 3 years ago. A President
> >> can't do much unless Congress authorizes funding.
>
> >> Wes
>
> > You need to know a little more than just the basic numbers. George Bush
> > didn't issue a single veto in the first six years of his presidency, which
> > is unheard of in the modern era. After that he issued a lot, not
> > coincidentally that was when he lost the republican majority in congress.
> > He vetoed everything the Democratic congress voted to do. He also had
> > enough republicans to sustain his vetoes. That means even though the
> > majority in congress was Democratic because of the republicans president
> > and congressional minority they majority was stymied. But that fact
> > doesn't change the other fact that the policies Bush implemented can't be
> > fixed over night or even in one year. The fallout from bad policies can
> > take years or even decades to repair. Which is what is happening now. Most
> > people know that too. I just saw a poll on TV minutes ago that fixed blame
> > on our economic problems. Only 7% blame Obama but 31% blame Bush and 23%
> > blame Wall Street. So most people do think Bush is to blame. This time
> > their right.
>
> > Hawke
>
> Poor little Hack, you need to know a little more than just the basic
> numbers. First he complains about no vetoes, and then he complains about a
> lot of vetoes. The fact is that the democrats write bad bills filled with
> earmarks, and need to get vetoed.
>
> And poor Hack really needs to learn how to count. It wasn't that he issued
> "a lot" of vetoes, it was only twelve. And he didn't veto everything, it
> just seems that way when you're a libtard flailing your limpy wrists.
>
> And of the twelve bills that he vetoed, the democrats were only "stymied" on
> half of them. But when you're a lib flailing your wrists about, I guess
> knowing how to count is unimportant compared to the need to scream about
> something in your shrill libtard shrill voices.
>
> What's more important, is that 0bama is a big zero loser who had a majority
> to work with, no obstacles at all, and couldn't get anything done. 0zero
> with 0zero accomplishments as President. Now that's a sad state of affairs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey Hawke....you got my stalker Burled Frau all worked up.

I owe you. ;<)

TMT

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:40 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 12, 10:06 pm, "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionsl...@consolidated.net>
wrote:
> The press is controlled by the left of center group.
> Why don't you think the numbers are odd.
>
> 1. If a R president has a R congress - the bills are ok by them.
> Filibusters and meetings were held with all four parties there.
>
> 2. When the D congress dumps thousands of pages in a single bill -
> RED flags fly up since they are the invention of fraud of the D party.
>
> D congress won't pass bills that the president loves - simple as that.
>
> Get thy head thinking and halt the blind head.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> Hawke wrote:
> > Wes wrote:
> >> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Bush/Cheney did one hell of a job on the country. You expect the
> >>> Democrats to fix everything they broke in one year?
>
> >> Learn to count. Congress changed hands over 3 years ago.
> >> A President can't do much unless Congress authorizes funding.
>
> >> Wes
>
> > You need to know a little more than just the basic numbers. George Bush
> > didn't issue a single veto in the first six years of his presidency,
> > which is unheard of in the modern era. After that he issued a lot, not
> > coincidentally that was when he lost the republican majority in
> > congress. He vetoed everything the Democratic congress voted to do. He
> > also had enough republicans to sustain his vetoes. That means even
> > though the majority in congress was Democratic because of the
> > republicans president and congressional minority they majority was
> > stymied. But that fact doesn't change the other fact that the policies
> > Bush implemented can't be fixed over night or even in one year. The
> > fallout from bad policies can take years or even decades to repair.
> > Which is what is happening now. Most people know that too. I just saw a
> > poll on TV minutes ago that fixed blame on our economic problems. Only
> > 7% blame Obama but 31% blame Bush and 23% blame Wall Street. So most
> > people do think Bush is to blame. This time their right.
>
> > Hawke- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Martin...why don't you go read the TARP or the Patriot Act and then
get back to us when you done..in the next lifetime.

TMT

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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/575dd2a6a3913041?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:11 pm
From: "Morton Davis"

"Tater Gumfries" <tater@kernsholler.net> wrote in message
news:8285fca7-d193-4bc0-80a0-c1f695e14d8b@d37g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 8, 9:20 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

> The whole argument is lame and pathetic. Lots of people use
> teleprompters.
>
> They were not allowed in the 2008 election debates and they won't be
> allowed in the 2012 election debates. No pre-selected questions
> either. No winking. No cheat sheets. No leg caressing.
>
> -Ramon

You kidding? Of course they'll have cheat sheets. They always do. And
she'll be allowed to wink and ham it up all she wants, and her
supporters will eat it up.

-----------------
Pity Obama needs 100 times as many words written by someone else scrolling
on a teleprompter, eh?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:40 pm
From: Harold Burton

In article
<3c55218d-325d-45ea-a713-5b30e0811b5f@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> wrote:

> Does Obama caress his legs and wink?

Yes, why does that excite you?

Snicker.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:41 pm
From: Harold Burton

In article
<a797f746-3fe4-4176-9a04-dfc73a0df6cf@36g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> wrote:

> On Feb 8, 9:04 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 06:04:38 -0800 (PST), Ramon F Herrera
> >
> >
> >
> > <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> > >On Feb 8, 8:00 am, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> > >> On Feb 8, 7:15 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> > "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
> >
> > >> >news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
> >
> > >> > >http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
> > >> > > "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
> >
> > >> > Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain
> > >> > jackass
> > >> > we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
> > >> > doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
> >
> > >> > > This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
> > >> > >http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note.
> > >> > >..
> > >> > > She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions.
> > >> > > And
> > >> > > there
> > >> > > are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
> > >> > > President.
> > >> > > Wow...E
> >
> > >> > Liar, Obama is the one who demands pre-approved questions.
> >
> > > > Does Obama caress his legs and wink?
> >
> > >The body language does not lie. Check her out in the video.
> >
> > >http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/06/palin.tea.party....
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/yhzet3n
> >
> > >Any psychologist will tell you that being questioned brought her back
> > >to those tests in college. She resorted to the tricks that helped in
> > >all the colleges from which she quit when the going got tough.
> >
> > >You can clearly see how she looks at the palm of her hand, looking for
> > >the answers in a "cheating sheet" which in 2010 is not there. Still,
> > >it is a comforting reflex.
> >
> > >What did she do if the professor noticed her cheating? Ah! Her
> > >infallible defense, she turned on her sex appeal, bringing attention
> > >to her legs.
> >
> > >Count how many times she caresses her lower extremities. After all,
> > >why stop using the techniques which have never failed her?
> >
> > >-Ramon
> >
>
> > And where is her teleprompter?
>
> The whole argument is lame and pathetic. Lots of people use
> teleprompters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VLeBhzE3Y

Snicker.

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TOPIC: OT: humor ...it's settled..
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9312bd4216b40a6f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:32 pm
From: cavelamb

Doug White wrote:
> "Phil Kangas" <pkangas@alphacomm.net> wrote in news:hl51b2$q77$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Yup, it's officially recognized now, this weather is all
>> obamas' fault! Those old timers on the farm were right
>> when they said " it'll be a cold day in hell when a
>> colored man is voted president"! They were right
>> because right now all 50 states have snow! What better
>> proof is there? heh heh ...;>)) phil
>
> The way I heard it, the week after a Republican was sworn in to replace
> Teddy Kennedy, Washington froze over.
>
> Doug White

Very interesting point!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:15 pm
From: "David R.Birch"

Phil Kangas wrote:
> Yup, it's officially recognized now, this weather is all
> obamas' fault! Those old timers on the farm were right
> when they said " it'll be a cold day in hell when a
> colored man is voted president"! They were right
> because right now all 50 states have snow! What better
> proof is there? heh heh ...;>)) phil

Hawaii doesn't have snow now, although it sometimes has it on top of
one of the dormant volcanoes.

David

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TOPIC: Cry, Gunner, it is OK to cry now
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6d8c87d203cbf690?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:36 pm
From: RoyJ

10-4 you have my unmunged e-mail address.

Ignoramus30621 wrote:
> On 2010-02-12, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>> The A-2 is my first choice for planer and molder knives. Got any of that
>> stock in 2"x.250"????? A deal I will make you.
>
> I will look, probably yes.
>
> i
>> Ignoramus5688 wrote:
>>> OK, guys, I kind of appreciate the sentiment, but I gotta wonder if
>>> anyone ever use D2 or A2 for light home use purposes. 4140 seems to be
>>> very eminently useful, but D2 or A2, I am not so sure. Seems like a
>>> lot of trouble to machine. The only use I can think of is dies for the
>>> press.
>>>
>>> i

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 7:59 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-02-12, Ignoramus5688 <ignoramus5688@NOSPAM.5688.invalid> wrote:
> On 2010-02-12, cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Ignoramus5688 wrote:
>>>
>>> I will start getting this stuff out of the truck tonight. My approach
>>> is to give rec.crafts.metalworking readers a substantial discount
>>> compared to ebay.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> What shapes are the 304 in, Ig?
>
> Going by memory, most 304 comes in bricks, I would say 1 3/8 thick by
> 7 inch wide by 18 inch long -- I was in a big hurry and this is the
> best memory of their perceived size.

Hmm ... big enough to make at least BXA tool holders from. But
I'm not sure that I would want to make them of 304. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
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TOPIC: Miss me yet?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:03 pm
From: "David R.Birch"

Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <hl4l6r02ba9@news7.newsguy.com>, "David R.Birch" <dbirch@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Kennedy was said to have been thinking of pulling out of VN,
>
> Woulda been the only thing he ever did pull out of...
>
>> hence 11/22/63.
>
> Ummm.... wow. Time to change the tin foil lining in your hat.

I don't wear hats and Oswald just wasn't a good enough shot to have
done it.

David

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:06 pm
From: "David R.Birch"

Wes wrote:
> "David R.Birch" <dbirch@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>> Another Kennedy ?
>>> LOL
>>> Kennedy was the start of the Vietname war and the "Great Society"
>>> increase in organized welfare.
>> Kennedy was said to have been thinking of pulling out of VN, hence
>> 11/22/63. The Great Society was an LBJ thing.
>>
>> David
>
> There are two Presidents that were cut short that I'd really like to have seen go full
> term just to see how well they would have done. Lincoln and Kennedy.

Lincoln had a full term and was reelected in 1864. I think
Reconstruction would have gone a lot better if he hadn't been shot.

David

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TOPIC: Sheldon Lathe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a25ca293554f0acc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:32 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

Yes - Know a lot of the bases from pictures of the 10, 11 docs.
Good luck on the clean - big job.

MSCdirect has gallon size of way oil to keep them clean and free of
chips. I think the oil floats the cuts and the wipers push them off.

I've never seen a chart of ID numbers but I know the numbers are very
important if you get docs from Acme/Sheldon - they will send them -
but the numbers are good between dates they know certain numbers and
can date them - within good reason.

As luck would have it, I know the salesman that sold it to Dad and I.
He is retired in Sacramento but the hardware store changed names or is
long gone. Twas an interesting quest to see if I could.

Get the docs from Sheldon - they will help in a number of ways as you
clean and discover a warn pad or gear or half-nut. Some of it - how does
it get apart.

Also the carriage contains an oil bath for the gears - might be gum and
gears now.

If I can help - let me know. I might spot something.

Martin

Bob AZ wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:13�pm, "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionsl...@consolidated.net>
> wrote:
>> I found mine - a TLWQ 10406 way number or serial number.
>> I would think or hope that the uk site would have a key.
>> An option key for the way and model numbers.
>> Martin
>>
> Martin
>
> From the searching I have done it is apparent that I will have to take
> a better look at the Nameplate and the Way number. Two of us were
> looking at the numbers and letters so I thought we had all correct.
> But apparently not.
>
> Is there a chart or the like that cross references the numbers and
> letters? The lathe looks just like many of the pictures I have found
> on the web. Also someone mentioned that Sheldon would do a custom job
> if asked. So I will just have to be patient and do more research.
>
> The lathe I have is real dirty and grimy. It is partially
> disassembled. We are cleaning and soaking lots of parts. The motor is
> an underdrive type and too dirty to touch. 1/2HP and large enough to
> be a 5HP if it was todays vintage. Originally 110V but I will change
> it to 220V. The wiring is terrible but I can handle it. Replace it
> all. Switch is up behind the tailstock. This will get moved to a safer
> location.
>
> The stand is the drawer type. 5 drawers with a coolant tray. The base
> or feet are the tubular type. Right side flat on the floor. Leftside
> curves up to the left. You probably know what I mean. And all is
> dirty.
>
> Thanks for the input
> Bob AZ

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 8:44 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

Ok - now take a hex inverter and drive the input from another output
and so on - until you have six in a ring - hex-ring if you will.

Now power it up and - that happens. Oscillates. Any / all outputs
drive signals that are running at the prop time of a gate. It hits
its own magic frequency. Faster propagation times - faster pulse train.

I was working on one in GaAs that had switches that changed the loop
length for a customer. The project never got off, but a 64 gate version
was something! It had feedback lines from half a ring away back into the
ring.

Martin

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