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TOPIC: Hobart Gasoline Welder
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ec8d843faba8846b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 8:53 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:52:42 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:41:05 -0800, Larry Jaques
><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>>I noticed that. Was it like that when you picked it up, or only after
>>you pulled it with the low-slung hitch?
>
>It was sitting in a very large mud hole, both tires exploded, with the
>jack looking exactly as it does. I had to back up to the edge of the mud
>hole, stomp around in 4" of mud, hook up with a chain to a ball in the
>upper bumper, pry up the tounge, bolt the chain into a loop and then

If you write "tongue", I'll know what you're talking about.

>very gently pull the protesting bastard out of the mud some 30 feet to a
>dry spot, jack up the toung with my truck jack, then back under it, then
>back out when I discovered my 2" ball was too big, install a 1 7/8" one,

Oy vay.

>then back up again, hook up, then dig through my truck for a can of
>lube..not find any..then ultimately stick my fingers down the power
>steering pump reservior for enough lube to allow the bolt style draw

There ya go.

>toggle to finally break through the rust I had to wire brush off the
>draw toggle and tighten up. This after jacking it up, pulling off one
>wheel, and traveling a meandering 5 miles one way until I finally found
>a used tire shop that had a unmatched pair of 16:" tires, have one
>mounted, return and install, then jack up the other side, drive back and
>have the other one mounted, then return and install the second one. By
>this time it was dark. The welder is narrow enough that both my tail
>lights could be seen on either side of it from the rear..but given that
>law enforcement is on a revenue raising campaign because of reduced tax
>income....I drove to Harbor Freight on back streets and up alleys and
>down byways into their parking lot where I picked up some bulbs and
>whatnot..then dig out a spool of 10ga THHN from truck stock and get
>enough lighting functioning to drive the 34 miles to my home.

10ga ought to be thick enough for taillights, yeah. <bseg> You should
have picked up a set of magnetic trailer lights from HF last month for
ten bucks during their sale. You bring home enough strays to warrant
a set, huh?

So, you're saying that, with labor included, you have less than a
grand in this thing, right? <g>

>I gave my converter box in my LA trailer to my wife for her bedroom TV
>as I couldnt put up an external antenna. Now Ive got until this coming
>Friday to move my RV someplace, or park it in storage and sleep in my
>truck from now on.
>
>Not something to look forwards to, eh?

No, I wouldn't think so. I've made half a year's income in the past
several months, so I know I'll be able to pay my income tax this year
without a hitch.

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TOPIC: Suspend those pesky physics laws!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/29ce64ba74b5784a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 8:54 pm
From: Don Foreman

Maybe retain these guys as design consultants?
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w

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TOPIC: Clone 4" Kurt-style Mill Vise Acquired - Update 2
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0af06151120f1477?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:03 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:26:31 -0500, Ned Simmons <news@nedsim.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:58:40 -0500, Joseph Gwinn
><joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>The crank handle that comes with the vice is big and heavy and clumsy. A used
>>6-point 15mm deep impact socket and a small breaker bar works far better. The
>>reason to use a 6-point deep socket is that it will stay on the vice until
>>intentionally removed, and not that great torque is needed.
>>
>
>My answer to the Kurt handle question. The hub used to be a deep
>socket.
>http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmons/news/KurtHandle.JPG

Sweet!

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TOPIC: Too Many Fools
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/afe84824b6f2598c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:04 pm
From: "Eregon_"

"Henry" <ohenry@razbanyisiatibenefuchi.com> wrote in
news:4b947dc0$1@news.x-privat.org:

>
>
> "Eregon" <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D34B718F8294Eragon@74.209.131.10...
>> "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in
>> news:4b91e0ea$1@news.x-privat.org:
>>
>>> Friday, March 5, 2010
>>> Who are the "Real Fools?"
>>>
>>> The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable
>>> of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier
>>> to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore
>>> the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate
>>> willing to have such a man for their president.
>>>
>>> http://jimmcmahonchicago.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-are-real-fools.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>> For someone who's blathering on RCM about cross-posting Political
>> nonsense you're sure doing a good job of it!
>
> Your profile on Google shows you reside at rec.crafts.metalworking.
> You must be one of Cliff's nyms, or one of his boyfriends.

Sorry to disappoint you but you're dead wrong. <G>
>
> Back over the fence you go! Please post on-topic in the survival
> groups next time you visit! Thanks!
>
> What is it with these metalworking clowns anyway?
>

"Burled Frau" has been blathering on in RCM about Cliff, etc., who is one
of yours and NOT one of ours.

When responding (if you ever do) to one of Cliff's or Hawke's posts
(they're always crossposted), please keep it strictly to
misc.survivalism.

By doing so, you'll be able to tell where they actually READ the
responses to their BS.

It's been obvious that they aren't reading them when confined to RCM.

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TOPIC: threaded weld studs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7119433b06f0e4ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:04 pm
From: "Up North"

"Steve W." <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hn115b$e93$2@speranza.aioe.org...
> Up North wrote:
>> I am looking for a source of #6, #8 & #10 threaded weld studs to use in
>> an
>> auto body type stud welder.
>> http://www.motorguard.com/col_1_2.html
>> I can find studs meant for the capacitive discharge machines and have
>> ordered some to try but it seems like someone would make copper coated
>> threaded studs similar to the pull pins used with this welder. Does the
>> copper coat on the pull studs serve any purpose other than preventing the
>> studs from rusting before use?
>> I have used common machine screws modified by grinding the head till
>> the
>> screwdriver slot is gone and making the head slightly rounded and have
>> had
>> pretty good success spot welding them on to 16 gauge steel.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>
> All-thread, cut to length with a simple screw cutter.

The studs need to have a head on them as that is where the stud welder makes
electrical contact with them.
Steve

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TOPIC: Recent metalworking projects
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/141d8b1977e06268?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:06 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:00:38 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:30:21 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>>
>>>Now where's my 2-64 tap, for needle valves???
>>
>>Mine is in a tap index. http://store.huot-store.com/tool-storage/product/12550.html
>>
>>Sadly, no spot for my 7/32-40 tap. (Aperature sight inserts) Hey, I need to try making
>>some of those.
>>
>>Wes
>
>
>http://store.huot-store.com/tool-storage/category/dtri-tapd.html

Strange, the NC and NF sets are $12 and $13 each, totaling $25 with
two cases, while the exact same 2 sets in -one- box cost $44.80.
Even with the metric set thrown in, it's $5 higher than their separate
costs.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 10:33 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Phil Kangas" <pkangas@alphacomm.net> wrote in message
news:hn1825$jkk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> What were 'your' recent metalworking projects?
> Wes
>
>
>
> I just posted to the dropbox a set of files named Chain_Wheel
> that are about a device I made recently for our fire dept. Now
> that I'm in retirement mode I can take on time consuming
> projects like this one. Sure I could have bought one but what's
> the fun in that, eih? It was a study in math and workholding for
> sure! I've considered removing the chain guide on the slack side
> as that point is never under load going up or down. There could
> be a pileup if one link for some reason won't behave in the guide.
> At least the operating speed is slow anyway. Perhaps we can
> get more projects listed, eih? What do you have to show off?
> phil kangas

Just small stuff until I can lift anything. Putting up pegs and shelves in
my container and shop house to get stuff off the floor. Brought back a 3/4
ton pickup of ebay stuff from Vegas yesterday. Will liquidate that to get
blogging money. Got some stuff on the list, but time, money, weather, and
health can't seem to occur on the same day.

Grrrrrrrrr.

Steve

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 11:23 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:06:34 -0800, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:00:38 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:30:21 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now where's my 2-64 tap, for needle valves???
>>>
>>>Mine is in a tap index. http://store.huot-store.com/tool-storage/product/12550.html
>>>
>>>Sadly, no spot for my 7/32-40 tap. (Aperature sight inserts) Hey, I need to try making
>>>some of those.
>>>
>>>Wes
>>
>>
>>http://store.huot-store.com/tool-storage/category/dtri-tapd.html
>
>Strange, the NC and NF sets are $12 and $13 each, totaling $25 with
>two cases, while the exact same 2 sets in -one- box cost $44.80.
>Even with the metric set thrown in, it's $5 higher than their separate
>costs.
>

They also are big enough to hold the drill bits as well.

Gunner

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The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Injection molding
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ed278dbaac608a40?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:10 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On 08 Mar 2010 03:54:55 GMT, the infamous steamer <steamer@sonic.net>
scrawled the following:

>Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>It casts false teeth for Munchkins, doesn't it?
> --Close; they're Oompaloompas, heh.

Had to googlem. Now why would you know about Chocolate Factory stuff?
Dare I ask, Ed? ;)

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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dc43134cee7f371e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 9:33 pm
From: Bruce L. Bergman

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:51:58 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:16:28 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
><bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:

>> If you need confirmation that the Liberty Ships carried them, my
>>B-I-L is a Lane Victory crewman. I'll bet they have reference
>>materials that can either confirm or eliminate it.
>>
>> "Hobart Brothers" is a huge clue. Chrysler six? They used them on
>>all the Searchlight generators.
>>
>> (Welcome home, and please ease up on the trolls. Other than them
>>railing on about you "running away", it's been quiet. QuietER...)
>
>Ask him if you think about it.
>
>Here are the pics
>
>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasolineWelder#

I'll forward this to him.

I know you know better ;-P but... You are supposed to either
crank the tongue jack all the way up or remove the jammed jack
*before* going over dips and in and out of driveways. It's supposed
to be vertical.

And get a hitch receiver with some more Rise to it - that's half the
battle with the tongue jack, that little truck has the hitch mounted
way low, the trailer frame should be riding more or less level. With
the tongue low the tongue weight will be too high.

My Van is about the same - I had to buy a Class III/V 6" Rise
receiver to make a two-axle hydraulic trailer ride level - from the
rental yard. ($$) Wouldn't let me out with the 3" rise I normally
carry.

That pink epoxy stuff is worrying - If you are keeping it, now's the
time to find a good block while you can wait for the right price.

I love the open-frame Pick And Hold throttle solenoid...

For 12V generators and old Autolite starters, repeat after me:
Mission Auto Electric, 13472 Van Nuys Bl, Pacoima. 818 896-7736. They
still fix em.

--<< Bruce >>--

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 11:40 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:33:14 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
<bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:51:58 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:16:28 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
>><bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you need confirmation that the Liberty Ships carried them, my
>>>B-I-L is a Lane Victory crewman. I'll bet they have reference
>>>materials that can either confirm or eliminate it.
>>>
>>> "Hobart Brothers" is a huge clue. Chrysler six? They used them on
>>>all the Searchlight generators.
>>>
>>> (Welcome home, and please ease up on the trolls. Other than them
>>>railing on about you "running away", it's been quiet. QuietER...)
>>
>>Ask him if you think about it.
>>
>>Here are the pics
>>
>>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasolineWelder#
>
> I'll forward this to him.
>
> I know you know better ;-P but... You are supposed to either
>crank the tongue jack all the way up or remove the jammed jack
>*before* going over dips and in and out of driveways. It's supposed
>to be vertical.

Actually..it was that way when I hooked on to it. Shrug...it appears to
be jammed for some reason...lol and the previous owner bent it. Sheared
off one of the bolt heads actually. But..it doesnt drag on anything.
>
> And get a hitch receiver with some more Rise to it - that's half the
>battle with the tongue jack, that little truck has the hitch mounted
>way low, the trailer frame should be riding more or less level. With
>the tongue low the tongue weight will be too high.
>
> My Van is about the same - I had to buy a Class III/V 6" Rise
>receiver to make a two-axle hydraulic trailer ride level - from the
>rental yard. ($$) Wouldn't let me out with the 3" rise I normally
>carry.

Ive got a 6" rise. Unfortunately..its in my van in Ontario.

Btw..Im trying to find a place to put a 20' travel trailer and live in
it during stretches of time. Some place really really cheap, or
someplace I can take machine repair etc in lue of rent. Know of any
plce in So. Cal..let me know. Ive got to move it by next Friday. After
that..Ill be sleeping in my truck if I cant find a place..preferably
inside a yard somewhere. 110 power would be nice..shrug..but not an
actual requirement. Ive got lanterns...shrug again.
>

> That pink epoxy stuff is worrying - If you are keeping it, now's the
>time to find a good block while you can wait for the right price.
>
> I love the open-frame Pick And Hold throttle solenoid...
>
> For 12V generators and old Autolite starters, repeat after me:
>Mission Auto Electric, 13472 Van Nuys Bl, Pacoima. 818 896-7736. They
>still fix em.
>
>--<< Bruce >>--

Noted and saved!!!

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Clausing 6913, update on the interlock pin
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e6085d3e652b1ce9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 10:19 pm
From: Ignoramus10008

If you recall my earlier post, the apron interlock pin was bent in my
lathe, and after straightening it out, it would not properly engage
with the lock arm. I thought that maybe I did not do a good job
straightening it, etc.

Finally I guessed that the root cause of it was 1) bending of the pin
by some unthinking user when it was intelocked and 2) the cam on the
half nut shaft not being seated where it should be. So the travel
range of the interlock arm was wrong.

After checking this guess, it turned out to be correct. After turning
the cam a bit (loosening the setscrew etc) the range of travel of the
lock arm is now correct, and the interlock system is working. I can
now see that this pin is very fragile. The bottom line is that I can
only operate the half nut lever very gently, with my pinky finger, and
never apply any force to it.

The apron seems to work completely properly and I am reinstalling it,
along with the cleaned leadscrew, etc.

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TOPIC: Posting photos
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c8fdeebd5738c8f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 10:43 pm
From: kemad@ozemail.com.au

G'day,

Am in Australia, have some photos that might be of interest.
How/where do I put 'em?

Regards,

Mac

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 11:12 pm
From: "Jeff R."

<kemad@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:9v69p5p2i2fhvf5h6t6tln594nr7u290qi@4ax.com...
> G'day,
>
> Am in Australia, have some photos that might be of interest.
> How/where do I put 'em?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mac

Use the Dropbox. Instructions here:
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox.html

Cheers

(oops - I mean)
--
Jeff R.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 11:23 pm
From: kemad@ozemail.com.au

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:12:01 +1100, "Jeff R." <contact@this.ng> wrote:

>
><kemad@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>news:9v69p5p2i2fhvf5h6t6tln594nr7u290qi@4ax.com...
>> G'day,
>>
>> Am in Australia, have some photos that might be of interest.
>> How/where do I put 'em?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mac
>
>Use the Dropbox. Instructions here:
>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox.html
>
>Cheers
>
>PC
>
>
>(oops - I mean)
Thanks Jeff.

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TOPIC: Road trains
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e24c523500e054da?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 11:29 pm
From: kemad@ozemail.com.au

G'day,

I posted a few photos of cattle road trains in the
Northern Territory to the drop box (thanks Jeff). I think I did it ok
but first time I have posted photos.

Long time lurker.

Regards.

Mac

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