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TOPIC: free start/ run capacitors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/cfd0a0902fcdca85?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:15 am
From: "Steve Lusardi"

I see this all the time, but if it wasn't for people like that, I would probably be unemployed. Never look a gift horse in the
mouth.
Steve

"Ignoramus26053" <ignoramus26053@NOSPAM.26053.invalid> wrote in message news:-cqdnb1vtv4tuQ7WnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-03-07, GeoLane at PTD dot NET <GeoLane> wrote:
>> They were still available after 3:30 Saturday afternoon. People had
>> called but didn't come over to pick them up at least so far. I
>> inquired whether I could send him money to put a bunch in a flat rate
>> box and send them to me, but he didn't want to be bothered.
>
> Not to generalize, but I find people who watch free pickup ads to be
> very flaky, stupid, and just incapable of normal human function. As
> any generalization, there are exceptions, but the proportion of
> unreliable people exceeds all bounds. It is understandable from the
> economics standpoint.
>
> A case in point.
>
> I advertised free pallets in the morning today.
>
> One woman called and said that she will pick them up.
>
> She came in a minivan with a husband.
>
> She looked at the pallets, and said, GET THIS: that she needed boards
> for her "art paintings" and that these pallets are "too dirty to be
> painted".
>
> WTF??? ??????????????? *&^&*%&*%^!!!
>
> I was quite upset by this pallet board art lunacy, and just started
> cutting up and burning those m-f-ing pallets in the firepit. My kids
> love playing with fire, under my supervision, so we all had a good
> time.
>
> So I burned three pallets out of five. Then a guy calls me at 6pm and
> says that he wants the remaining pallets. Said he will stop by "very
> soon" as he is in a neighboring town.
>
> It is 4 hours later and there is no trace of him.
>
> It is a very typical experience with "freecycle" and "free section of
> craigslist" people.
>
> i

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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:30 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:1ir5p5to1tdoha4o7qqrvd6p9iug3d60l0@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:42:24 -0600, No-bammer <no-bammer-@fgi.net> wrote:
>
>>Cliff wrote: LEFT WINGERS keep lying
>
> Nope.
>
>>
>>You got that right.
>
> Was about Rove. I see you forgot already.
>
> Wingers lied.
> People died.
>
>
> Find those "WMDs" yet?
> --
> Cliff

trimming the tree

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 6:56 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:02:30 -0800, "Loser Rednecks" <dailyplonkapug@ca.net>
wrote:

>
>"Occam's Razor" <blackhole@nebulaX.com> wrote in message
>news:4b93aaaa$0$1842$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>> On 3/7/2010 7:55 AM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>>> On Mar 6, 11:24 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/06/karl.rove.book/?hpt=T2
>>>> ""[D]id Bush lie us into war? Absolutely not," Rove wrote "
>>>> ""Would the Iraq War have occurred without WMD? I doubt it," he wrote.
>>>> "Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force
>>>> resolution
>>>> without the threat of WMD."
>>
>> http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/175/126/
>
>Oh, look, it's Clinton's fault - hahahaha, vomit.............
>One thing about repugs - can't take responsibility for anything!
>

They claim they do not lie.
It's a lie.
Seems they can do nothing else but lie.

Rove, even after being caught, KNOWS wingers will still buy more lies.
They ARE that stupid!!!

What does Palin say?
She can see Russia, after all.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/61873515b3a556d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:33 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hmvefc$qt4$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 3/6/2010 8:52 AM, Burled Frau wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>> news:hmq7t1$8l9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 3/3/2010 5:21 PM, Ignoramus27796 wrote:
>>>> On 2010-03-04, Hawke<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just welded a patch panel on my CJ5. Did you want to hear all about
>>>>> it? I didn't think so.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to hear about that, personally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> You're kidding, right? I mean, what is there to say about cutting a
>>> piece of sheet metal to the size of your hole and tack welding it in
>>> place? There's nothing to it. But if you really want to know what I
>>> did was remove a secondary gas tank that was under the driver's seat
>>> in my CJ5. I felt that a Jeep is dangerous enough that I don't need
>>> five gallons of fuel right under my ass that would go off like a bomb
>>> in an accident. But this left a good sized hole in the body on the
>>> drivers side near the door. Not much report about repairing it though.
>>> Getting the paint to match is going to be a lot more difficult.
>>>
>>> Hawke
>>
>> Try to stay on-topic bozo. When he said he wanted to hear about it, he
>> meant for you to start your own thread. Didmn't you learn how to use a
>> newsreader in your poli-hack school?
>
>
> I don't know what the hell you're doing here in the first place. You're
> nothing but a survival group nut who dropped in here and now you won't
> leave. You bitch about this group and the discussions and then you post
> off topic and whine about everybody else. Why don't you take your own
> advice and go back where you came from because you never will post on
> metal content? You said that yourself. You just dropped in to complain?
> Like that's a great contribution. Go back and discuss your well stocked
> hole in the ground with the other crazies who think the world will end
> before you do. In case you didn't notice it you're in the wrong place, you
> dropout.
>
> Hawke

Why don't you and your goons quit crossposting your political insecurities
to the survival groups and I might leave? But since you invited me here, I
think I'll stay a while.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:35 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hmvei6$qt4$2@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 3/6/2010 8:50 AM, Burled Frau wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:SDCjn.10199$Jq1.1476@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you post more on politics than you do on metalworking. Guess what?
>>>> So do most people and that includes the people bitching right now.
>>>
>>> What were your recent metalworking projects?
>>>
>>> Wes
>>>
>>
>> I recall Hack posting about a Titanium dildo he was working on that he
>> was looking forward to shoving up his ass.
>
>
> That's exactly the kind of idiot posting that the complainers are bitching
> about. Crawl back under your rock.
>
> Hawke

You should work harder on finishing your dildo, you seem pretty cranky
without it.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:15 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 7, 3:50 am, "Steve B" <deserttra...@fishymail.net> wrote:

> Or, do what I do, and filter him, and never answer him. Too bad people
> can't grasp that easy concept. He'd be gone in a flash. But then, there
> are the clones he has created. Oh, well, same with them.
>

> Steve

Your approach will not bring back people as Jim Rozen, Bob Powell,
Pete Albrecht.

Dan

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:33 am
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 3, 7:58 am, Dave__67 <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm serious, if this was a meatspace community, the Cliffs would be
> ejected by the community.
>
> Let's come up with some real-world sanctions/repercussions, get rid of
> him, and then go after the next a-hole who takes his place.
>
> Lets go after this fucker- it's time to draw a line, and when someone
> crosses that line, get rid of 'em. Make coming here sufficiently
> painful he stops coming.
>
> First step- his real-world contact info. Someone's gotta have it.
>
> Dave

If Gunner would stick to metalworking and leave off the incendiary
quotes at the end of EVERY posting...

Have you noticed how the signal to noise ratio took a dive when he
came back from rehab (or wherever the hell he was)?

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TOPIC: OT - Most states kick blue asse
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d00573543954f95d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:39 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hmvfbl$ru7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 3/5/2010 6:50 PM, Harold Burton wrote:
>> In article<hmke2g$9mu$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> Hawke<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/2/2010 5:07 PM, Harold Burton wrote:
>>>> In article<hmfd55$9gk$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
>>>> Hawke<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/2010 5:30 PM, Harold Burton wrote:
>>>>>> In article<hm6njd$v23$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>>>>>> Hawke<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> look at the record . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did, and it shows that the booming economy correlated with
>>>>>>>> Republican
>>>>>>>> control of Congress and the tanking economy correlated with
>>>>>>>> Democrat
>>>>>>>> control of Congress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> snicker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're full of crap. Just look at the record of the economy under
>>>>>>> Bush
>>>>>>> and his republican congress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked at the economy under the Republican Congresses (1995 until
>>>>>> 2007). It boomed. After the DemocRATs seized control in 2007 the
>>>>>> economy started to tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Snicker.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> After hearing that explanation it's abundantly clear that you don't
>>>>> know
>>>>> the first thing about statistics. Tee Hee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After hearing that response it's abundantly clear that you can't refute
>>>> any of my statements. Tee Hee
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The period of congress you say you looked at is to (sic) short to be
>>> considered statistically significant.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're the one who said "look at the record". You're also the one who
>> said " won't give them (statistics to prove your lies) to you".
>>
>>
>>
>> You're a liar and BSer.
>>
>>
>> Snicker.
>
>
> The difference between us is that I happen to know what I am talking about
> and you don't. It's as simple as that. You can take any period you want
> and try to use it to prove the economy did better under a republican
> congress but that claim is really meaningless because you leave out
> variables that had far more effect on the economy than simply which party
> was in the majority. The fact that you have no depth of knowledge about
> the subject is abundantly clear. If you look on google you will find that
> there are lots of statistics that show the country has done better under
> Democrats. But even that is a stretch for the same reasons that your
> assertion failed. Too many things come into play that determine what the
> economy does besides which party is in the majority. If you had any
> knowledge you would know that. But since you don't it's a sure thing that
> you are just shooting your mouth off. Let me make a guess. You're a
> conservative, right?
>
> Hawke

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/us/politics/05memo.html

Rash of Scandals Tests Democrats at Sensitive Time

WASHINGTON - The ethical woes facing Democrats are piling up, with barely a
day passing in recent weeks without headlines from Washington to New York
and beyond filled with word of scandal or allegations of wrongdoing.

The troubles of Gov. David A. Paterson of New York, followed by those of two
of the state's congressmen, Charles B. Rangel and Eric J. Massa, have added
to the ranks of episodes involving prominent Democrats like Eliot Spitzer,
Rod R. Blagojevich and John Edwards.

Taken together, the cases have opened the party to the same lines of
criticism that Democrats, led by Representatives Nancy Pelosi, now the House
speaker, and Rahm Emanuel, now White House chief of staff, used effectively
against Republicans in winning control of the House and Senate four years
ago.

The mix of power and the temptations of corruption can be a compelling
political narrative at any time. But with voters appearing to be in an angry
mood and many already inclined to view all things Washington with mistrust,
the risks for Democrats could be that much greater this year.

With Election Day still eight months away, there is time to avert a
history-is-repeating-itself storyline. But Democrats, who are already on the
defensive over the economy, health care and federal spending and are facing
a re-energized conservative movement, suddenly have a set of ethical issues
to deflect as well. "Speaker Pelosi famously promised the most open, honest
and ethical Congress in history," Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio,
the Republican leader, said Thursday. "Yet here we go again."

In 2006, when Democrats were battling for control of the House, the message
of their campaign against the Republicans could be boiled down to a
three-word slogan: culture of corruption. Democratic leaders aggressively
seized on each indictment of a Republican member of Congress or lobbyist,
building an argument that the controlling party had become arrogant and was
in urgent need of a housecleaning.

So is that moment - in reverse fashion - now approaching for Democrats?

Tim Kaine, a former Virginia governor and chairman of the Democratic
National Committee, said Thursday that the recent spate of allegations
against several political figures in his party was troubling.

But he said the recent cases - largely revolving around New York
politicians - had hardly reached the nationwide pitch that buffeted
Republicans four years ago. Then, Tom DeLay, the Republican House leader,
was indicted in Texas, and the influence-peddling scandal tied to the
lobbyist Jack Abramoff touched several Republican members of Congress.

"I would never say that folks should be blithe about their ethical
responsibilities. But I think it's quite a bit different," Mr. Kaine said
Thursday in an interview. "But a couple things that happened in the same
week in one state is different than the kind of corruption that roped
members of Congress in from all over the country."

Ms. Pelosi moved quickly this week to deal with escalating criticism
surrounding Mr. Rangel, who was admonished by the House ethics committee for
accepting corporate-sponsored trips to the Caribbean. He remains under
investigation on more serious accusations.

Mr. Rangel stepped down on Wednesday as chairman of the Ways and Means
Committee, heading off any possibility of a drawn-out political battle over
his fate. The National Republican Congressional Committee has been
intensifying its pressure on Democratic lawmakers in districts across the
country to return political contributions from Mr. Rangel, who was among the
most generous contributors to fellow members of Congress.

"All Aboard for the Ride to Victory," screams a poster depicting Mr. Rangel
against a train, showing how many Democratic campaigns he helped finance.
Republicans have sent around the old Rangel campaign posters this week to
highlight his influence.

Since last Friday, 29 House Democrats have given back or donated to charity
more than $400,000 in contributions from Mr. Rangel's three political
fund-raising committees. But several others have not returned the money.
Representative Michael E. McMahon, Democrat of New York, is among those who
have not returned the money, in his case more than $70,383.

Ms. Pelosi dismissed the criticism on Thursday that Democrats had not lived
up to their promise to sweep away a culture of corruption on Capitol Hill.
She also noted that she had established an outside group to receive
complaints about members of Congress, which could be easily referred to the
House ethics committee.

"My commitment to the American people is that the public trust will always
be honored," Ms. Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. "And on the
floor of the House, that happens."

President Obama, who built his campaign around a pledge to change the way
Washington works and to strengthen transparency and ethics, has followed a
practice of generally not commenting on the scandals or allegations
involving the Democratic politicians. Months ago, several of his senior
advisers worked behind the scenes to try to dissuade Governor Paterson from
running for election, a pitch that failed.

Last week, Mr. Paterson conceded that he would not be on the ticket in the
fall, but he has declined to step down. The White House has said that it has
no intention of wading into the Paterson situation again, but several
advisers said they were following the developments with interest.

It is the case of another governor, perhaps, that has drawn even more
attention from those inside the West Wing.

Mr. Blagojevich, who was impeached last year as the governor of Illinois,
faces a criminal trial in June. The proceedings are expected to be unfolding
at the very moment that Democrats are battling in several races, including a
campaign for the Senate seat once held by the man who now sits in the Oval
Office.

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TOPIC: Would you surrender your supplies to authorities during a disaster?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1bc453c278b27c26?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 12:47 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2daee121-d8f2-4070-b908-5282da18ada7@x1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 6, 5:47 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
>> "StuBrooks" <DubT...@bass.gov> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4b92a8f6$0$31270$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Ala wrote:
>>
>> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:f4643c4d-cd4a-4c04-b777-312107292f27@o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Mar 4, 7:34 pm, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-
>> >> che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Mar 4, 6:55 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> > On Mar 3, 11:56 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>> > > With the recent earthquakes in Haiti and Chile, it has given the
>> >>> > > world...and your neighbors...a refresher course into what happens
>> >>> when
>> >>> > > the thin veil of society breaks down.
>>
>> >>> > > Along with the related question of firearms currently being
>> >>> discussed,
>> >>> > > one has to consider how the breakdown of society will affect you
>> >>> > > and
>> >>> > > your supplies. If you are the only one on the block hydrated,
>> >>> > > well
>> >>> > > fed, lights on at night..well it doesn't take anyone long to
>> >>> > > figure
>> >>> > > out that you have supplies...including the authorities.
>>
>> >>> > > So if a disaster occurred where you live where society breaks
>> >>> > > down,
>> >>> > > would
>> >>> > > you surrender your resources (water, food, fuel, etc.) to an
>> >>> > > authorities if asked to?
>>
>> >>> > > Why or why not?
>>
>> >>> > > TMT
>>
>> >>> > LOL..it would seem that this problem is too hard for many of you so
>> >>> > called survivalists.
>>
>> >>> "LOL" It seems that you didn't get the response you want so you troll
>> >>> some more.
>>
>> >>> > The authorities will not give you the time I am giving you to
>> >>> > answer...they will answer for you.
>>
>> >>> > TMT
>>
>> >>> When will the authorities step on you?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >>> *Snicker*...a winger trys to avoid answering the tough questions.
>>
>> >>> Consider my questions a dry run for the real thing.
>>
>> >> What is the real thing?
>>
>> > Well, TMT said he would show up at YOUR(my) HOUSE to collect your (our)
>> > guns with his "friends", with the "local police".
>>
>> > I gave TMT my address, and double dog dared him to show up, but he
>> > became
>> > a pussy and refused to do that, after I said I would swat him hard in
>> > the
>> > nose with a newspaper, if he tried to enter my home.
>>
>> > After all, I am a favorite with MY local police.
>>
>> > TMT (and his "friends") are a uneducated homosexual Liberal colective
>> > that
>> > hates-n-fears normal people that have rights... and guns!
>>
>> > He's like Lee Harrison, only a few hundred pounds lighter, and just as
>> > stump stupid.
>>
>> That wasn't his "friends" he was going to show up with, it was his
>> "mommies"
>> that he was going to bring along, in the Subaru.-
>
> The one with the PETA stickers on it?

Theirs says PITA.

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TOPIC: My recent fights with loctite.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3a9b328b040e483f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:31 am
From: Wes

"Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote:

>Good one, Wes. It'd make a great loctite commercial. I'm not clear on 1 point; when you went: "I
>made a 5c collet closer setup for my 6903 lathe. I fixed the hand wheel for tightening it using
>permatex red. I *thought* it would release at 375F if I wanted to change things." Had you already
>made the 5C closer or did you go to all that trouble as a step in your fight to free the cam
>follower??
>

Two totally separate events. The follower was a case of not knowing thread locker was
involved until I broke it free.

The handwheel with the bearings and spacer was too close to the handstock for comfort. It
felt fine when I first used it and fixed it with loctite but after a bit of use, I became
disatisfied with it. I left the drawtube long and threaded a couple extra inches when I
made it. Well, I'm going to make a longer spacer and maybe even a larger diameter wheel.
Never tried threading a barbell weight I hope there isn't too much mystery metal in it.

Wes

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TOPIC: Alternatives to LPS-2
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c986024af47a68d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:33 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 7, 3:45 am, Ignoramus26053 <ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26053.invalid> wrote:
> I found another penetrating lubricant called PB-50 (by the same
> company that makes PB Blaster). It is massively cheaper than LPS-2 and
> is sold for $2.50 per can at Home Depot. The can is slightly smaller
> than LPS-2, but the price difference more than makes up for it.
>
> However, this PB-50 does not disperse widely, it shoots a jet of it.
>
> So, there is no good alternative to LPS-2.
>
> I agree with the opinion expressed here, that buying LPS-2 by the
> gallon, and using spray bottles, is the best bet if I need to use a
> lot of nondrying, easily sprayable, penetrating rust preventative.
> This is what I will do. I have a large quantity of steel, tool steel
> etc. I will sell some, but I will keep a lot and I want that steel to
> stay clean and not rust.
>
> i

Have you tried switching nozzles on the PB50 can?

I have used liquid floor polish to keep stuff from rusting. It is
inexpensive if you get it at moving sales.

Dan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 7:20 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:02:54 -0800 (PST), the infamous
stans4@prolynx.com scrawled the following:

>I'm not puzzled about WD40. Despite what folks say, it's good for one
>thing, displacing water, that's what it was designed for. The stuff
>is basically a light petroleum fraction with other crap dissolved that
>will evaporate leaving the other crap coating the surface and it's NOT
>a lubricant or rust-preventative. So if you try using it on a squeaky
>hinge, the squeak comes back, sometimes worse. Performance on rusty
>stuff is no better than using kerosene.

For hinges, pull the pins, wipe them off, run some coarse steel wool
over 'em, wipe 'em again, dip your finger in some moly wheel bearing
grease and put a thin coat on the full length and circumference of the
pin. Clean your finger off on the top of the female hinge opening, and
tap the pin in. That's good for about 30 squeak-free years in most
homes.

Well, STP changed their formula and so did WD-40. Both now contain
oil. WD has under 25%, but it's there now. WD hasn't even tried to
talk people out of the idea of using it as a lubricant because it
means that they'll have to buy _much_ more WD. I've amazed many a
mother when I took the squeak (and kept it out) from their kids'
bicycle and tricycle wheels. I'm truly glad that Big Wheels are no
longer an issue. DAMN, those things are LOUD! No way to lube plastic
tires on concrete or asphalt. <sigh>

>LPS 1 is a far better
>penetrant and the coating it leaves IS a lubricant. I use it on
>padlock innards, usually good for several years in fully exposed
>locks. Keeps the disc locks from bending or busting keys.

That has been more of a problem here in Oregon than it was for me in
California. I'll have to locate some LPS1.

>There's one thing better than LPS 3, but it's not made anymore. LPS
>100 was a white grease that was supposedly good for a whole year under
>sea water. Used to use it on antenna rotator bearings, usually lasted
>longer than the attached antennas.

What did you replace it with, spray lithium grease?

--
The blind are not good trailblazers.

-- federal judge Frank Easterbrook

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TOPIC: Planishing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a5279ff382cc73a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:37 am
From: Wes

"Steve B" <deserttraver@fishymail.net> wrote:

>Actually, I'm getting better. Out of the six angiogram/plasties I have had,
>this was the worst. Still sore. But getting things together for soon when
>I feel better, and the weather here gets a little better. Been in Vegas for
>a few days. Like Gunner, who flees occasionally, I go to Vegas, but have to
>do some work. The only thing I have to carry is a camera and a tape measure
>and some paperwork.

Good news on the health side.

>
>Saw some nifty gates and iron work which I will be putting on flickr
>shortly. Good looking stuff, and very unique.

Great, I like looking at those.

Wes

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TOPIC: I was almost impounded, laptop saved me
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:42 am
From: Wes

clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>Commercial is hauling ANY goods that are not your personal posession,
>whether for gain or not. At least that's how it is interpreted up
>here.

I've helped my sister move twice. Wasn't paid, didn't want reimbursment, I *hope* that is
a Canadian interpretation and not a US one.

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:49 am
From: Wes

"Martin H. Eastburn" <lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote:

>I can see out of control types that would take apart the mill
>looking for a gram of drugs. Then give you a street full of parts.
>
>That happened to my son in California as his truck was once owned
>by a bad guy - bought at a police auction and reconditioned, sold by
>a friend of the family to son...
>
>Great truck, but he was stopped twice for the other guy. The second time,
>he, the cop, recognized a change of interior and driver - let him go. The
>first time his complete contents of the truck was on the highway. insurance,
>CD's, tools and school papers.

Did he agree to a search? Some people give away their rights at the start of the
encounter. I've been asked twice if law enforcement could search my car. Both times I
said no, not without a warrant, and both times they let me go. Michigan and South
Carolina were the two locations.

Wes

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:52 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 7, 4:20 am, "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionsl...@consolidated.net>
wrote:
> I can see out of control types that would take apart the mill
> looking for a gram of drugs. Then give you a street full of parts.
>
> That happened to my son in California as his truck was once owned
> by a bad guy - bought at a police auction and reconditioned, sold by
> a friend of the family to son...
>
> Great truck, but he was stopped twice for the other guy. The second time,
> he, the cop, recognized a change of interior and driver - let him go. The
> first time his complete contents of the truck was on the highway. insurance,
> CD's, tools and school papers.
>
> Martin

Did the police have a warrant?

Dan

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 6:02 am
From: Spehro Pefhany

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:49:31 -0600, the renowned Ignoramus26053
<ignoramus26053@NOSPAM.26053.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-03-07, clare@snyder.on.ca <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Commercial is hauling ANY goods that are not your personal posession,
>> whether for gain or not. At least that's how it is interpreted up
>> here.
>
>Then it was not commercial, since the mill was mine.
>
>Let's say that you go to Walmart to buy a stapler that you want to use
>in your business. Is that a "commercial hauling"? Not really.
>
>i

I had NY state-based US border guys make some comments that indicated
I should be paying NY state road tax for bringing a small carton of
electronics I'd built to an airport courier depot (it was for
business). They didn't actually do anything, but I suspect if it had
been something physically large or heavy they might have. I would be a
bit cautious when answering questions that appear to be along that
line from regular police officers about things in your car (since it's
probably them that actually enforce such things), and certainly not
volunteer information that could lead to problems. But most would
probably ASS-U-ME a big, heavy greasy machine is for business and not
personal.

Most people have little exposure to machinery these days. One asked me
if the car (the wife's station wagon at the time) could handle the
item I was picking up in Chicago (a 500lb Diacro punch- from azotic).
I had to bite my lip to not comment that a couple guys his size in the
back seat would _easily_ exceed that. ;-) Diplomacy and all that..

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:17 am
From: Cliff

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/news/mro20100302.html

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:39 am
From: Sano

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74u5p5ltm03vob0ntp2isvl65qk02vi1ll@4ax.com:

> sci.engr.joining.welding
>

Hey Gunner, I stole yer sig. Thanks

--
seeker of truth
follow no path
all paths lead where
truth is here. e.e.cummings

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:51 am
From: jan olieslagers

Jim Wilkins schreef:
> On Mar 6, 8:45 pm, sta...@prolynx.com wrote:
>> ...What's UL use?
> I think UL here means UltraLight, a minimally regulated, tiny but
> MANNED aircraft.
> http://www.eaa.org/Ultralights/

I thought the same, but should like to add that in several countries the
"ultralight" definition allows bigger planes, closer to the newer US
light sport aircraft definition.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 6:27 am
From: "JTMcC"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4B933A0C.7F8B4E6C@earthlink.net...
>
> JTMcC wrote:
>>
>> For sure don't just scrap it. Everythings still available for most of the
>> older industrial engines.
>> The problem might be generator parts. A call to the Bakersfield Praxair
>> welding machine shop will likely tell you what is or isn't available. I'm
>> sure Wendell is completely retired by now but there are some other guys
>> in
>> there that are very good and very helpful.
>
>
> There may be room for a small one wire alternator in there. You
> don't need a big generator for the electrical system. Just enough to
> charge the battery and to power the ignition system.

The WELDING generator, you DO need that.
JTMcC.

>
>
> --
> Greed is the root of all eBay.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 6:27 am
From: "JTMcC"

The WELDING generator, you DO need that.
JTMcC.

>
>
> --
> Greed is the root of all eBay.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 6:49 am
From: Cliff

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re/us_rel_home_school_evolution
"Top home-school texts dismiss Darwin, evolution"
[
LOUISVILLE, Ky. – Home-school mom Susan Mule wishes she hadn't taken a friend's
advice and tried a textbook from a popular Christian publisher for her
10-year-old's biology lessons.

Mule's precocious daughter Elizabeth excels at science and has been studying
tarantulas since she was 5. But she watched Elizabeth's excitement turn to
confusion when they reached the evolution section of the book from Apologia
Educational Ministries, which disputed Charles Darwin's theory.

"I thought she was going to have a coronary," Mule said of her daughter, who is
now 16 and taking college
courses in Houston. "She's like, 'This is not true!'"

Christian-based materials dominate a growing home-school education market that
encompasses more than 1.5 million students in the U.S. And for most home-school
parents, a Bible-based version of the Earth's creation is exactly what they
want. Federal statistics from 2007 show 83 percent of home-schooling parents
want to give their children "religious or moral instruction."

"The majority of home-schoolers self-identify as evangelical Christians," said
Ian Slatter, a spokesman for the Home School Legal Defense Association. "Most
home-schoolers will definitely have a sort of creationist component to their
home-school program."

Those who don't, however, often feel isolated and frustrated from trying to find
a textbook that fits their beliefs.

Two of the best-selling biology textbooks stack the deck against evolution, said
some science educators who reviewed sections of the books at the request of The
Associated Press.

"I feel fairly strongly about this. These books are promulgating lies to kids,"
said Jerry Coyne, an ecology and evolution professor at the University of
Chicago.

The textbook publishers defend their books as well-rounded lessons on evolution
and its shortcomings. One of the books doesn't attempt to mask disdain for
Darwin and evolutionary science.

"Those who do not believe that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God
will find many points in this book puzzling," says the introduction to "Biology:
Third Edition" from Bob Jones University Press. "This book was not written for
them."

The textbook delivers a religious ultimatum to young readers and parents,
warning in its "History of Life" chapter that a "Christian worldview ... is the
only correct view of reality; anyone who rejects it will not only fail to reach
heaven but also fail to see the world as it truly is."
....
The size of the business of home-school texts isn't clear because the textbook
industry is fragmented and privately held publishers don't give out sales
numbers. Slatter said home-school material sales reach about $1 billion annually
in the U.S.

Publishers are well aware of the market, said Jay Wile, a former chemistry
professor in Indianapolis who helped launch the Apologia curriculum in the early
1990s.

"If I'm planning to write a curriculum, and I want to write it in a way that
will appeal to home-schoolers, I'm going to at least find out what my
demographic is," Wile said.
....
Apologia and Bob Jones University Press say their science books sell well.
Apologia's "Exploring Creation" biology textbook retails for $65, while Bob
Jones' "Biology" Third Edition lists at $52.
Coyne and Virginia Tech biology professor Duncan Porter reviewed excerpts from
the Apologia and Bob Jones biology textbooks, which are equivalent to ninth- and
10th-grade biology lessons. Porter said he would give the books an F.

"If this is the way kids are home-schooled then they're being shortchanged, both
rationally and in terms of biology," Coyne said. He argued that the books may
steer students away from careers in biology or the study of the history of the
earth.
....
]

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 6:50 am
From: Cliff

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 7:31 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:44:20 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:07:00 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:06:15 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> >> Did you "think" you'd not be noticed lying yet again?
>>>> >
>>>> >You lie in practically every post you make.
>>>>
>>>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>>>
>>>You have a macro for that don't you ?
>>>You trot it out every time you are afraid
>>
>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>> It was wingers promoting terror with their lies, not me.
>> You & your ilk fell for it. As always.
>> Suckers.
>
>Answer the question. Did you, or anyone else find the WMDs that bush,
>Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell claimed were there?

Q is to tankfixer .... who will no doubt lie some more.

>> It was wingers promoting terror with their lies, not me."
>
>Nope. That was bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell. You were just stupid
>enough to believe them.

I wrote warnings against same & similar.
--
Cliff

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