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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 12:13 am
From: Cliff

On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:gi1op554e8sdf00oa7l67bn0i43lqpamul@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:32:31 -0800 (PST), "dcaster@krl.org"
>> <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 3, 10:43 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, that depends on where you are. If it's San Francisco then it's
>>>> no big deal. If it's Dallas then it is. But what I am doing is
>>>> betting that when summer comes it's going to be just as hot or
>>>> hotter this year than it was last year. I think that is a pretty
>>>> safe bet.
>>>>
>>>> Hawke
>>>
>>>Maybe. I bet that this winter was going to be as warm or warmer than
>>>it was last year. It may have been a pretty safe bet, but this winter
>>>was colder. I think that the high for every day in Jan and Feb was
>>>below the average high for those dates. Still have snow on over 50%
>>>of the lawn.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>
>> So far, IIRC, this last winter is a record warm one for the US.
>
>http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/enso_ev
>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
>
>HTH

Up to 8 degrees C warmer you say?
With Canada nearly balmy (for a Canadian winter)?
Think any polar ice or tundra will melt (more/sooner)?

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100316_globalstats.html

"The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for February 2010 was
the sixth warmest on record,"

"Warmer-than-average temperatures enveloped much of the rest of the world's
land areas, with the warmest temperature anomalies occurring across Alaska,
Canada and across the Middle East and northern Africa. "

"The February worldwide ocean temperature was the second warmest, behind 1998,
on record."

"Arctic sea ice covered an average of 5.6 million square miles (14.6 million
square kilometers) during February. This is 6.8 percent below the 1979-2000
average extent and the fourth lowest February extent since records began in
1979. This was also the 12th consecutive February with below-average Arctic sea
ice extent. February Arctic sea ice extent has decreased by 2.9 percent per
decade since 1979."

Guess some cold airmoved South from Canada at one point, eh?
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Cliff

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 12:14 am
From: Cliff

On 20 Mar 2010 02:37:23 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:eak6q5tkh677j35fsmiocsh8nqom3fbvbq@4ax.com:
>
>> On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
>>
>>
>> Looks like 1998 was the hot year and its been getting cooler ever since.
>>
>
>Cliff isn't very good at math and has little understanding of science. It's
>funny how he will dismiss ten years of cooler temperatures as "weather" but
>cites an El Nino as a sign of impending global doom.

??
I never cited El Nino.
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Cliff

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 12:19 am
From: Cliff

On 20 Mar 2010 05:20:57 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

>Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote in news:ho1h9c$vh4$7
>@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:37:23 +0000, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:eak6q5tkh677j35fsmiocsh8nqom3fbvbq@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks like 1998 was the hot year and its been getting cooler ever
>>>> since.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Cliff isn't very good at math and has little understanding of
>science.
>>> It's funny how he will dismiss ten years of cooler temperatures as
>>> "weather" but cites an El Nino as a sign of impending global doom.
>>
>> Untrue: http://
>> www.g2weather.com/.a/6a010535bea9f5970b010536311139970b-800wi
>>
>
>Wow. I'm convinced. That nifty graph proves Cliff got better at math
>between 1950 and 2000.
>
>Or not.
>
>But seeing as it doesn't cover this winter, it probably doesn't support
>his claims.

Does not cover next year either.
So what?

But it does show that "ten years of cooler temperatures"
is a big winger lie. As usual & as expected.
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Cliff

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 12:23 am
From: Cliff

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:50:33 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 20 Mar 2010 05:20:57 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
>
>>Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote in news:ho1h9c$vh4$7
>>@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:37:23 +0000, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:eak6q5tkh677j35fsmiocsh8nqom3fbvbq@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like 1998 was the hot year and its been getting cooler ever
>>>>> since.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Cliff isn't very good at math and has little understanding of
>>science.
>>>> It's funny how he will dismiss ten years of cooler temperatures as
>>>> "weather" but cites an El Nino as a sign of impending global doom.
>>>
>>> Untrue: http://
>>> www.g2weather.com/.a/6a010535bea9f5970b010536311139970b-800wi
>>>
>>
>>Wow. I'm convinced. That nifty graph proves Cliff got better at math
>>between 1950 and 2000.
>>
>>Or not.
>>
>>But seeing as it doesn't cover this winter, it probably doesn't support
>>his claims.
>
>
>And given the source of that particular graph...part of the Gorbal
>Warming propaganda that has been proven to be an utter lie..

As usual, gummer lies again.

>one can
>simply toss it into the scrap bin.

With winger lies?

>Notice the source is "woodfortrees.org"
>
>Notice the disclaimer on the first page of the above website?
>
>"I have no particular axe to grind in the "Global Warming Debate" one
>way or the other. Indeed, as a life-long Green ......"

So what?
Check any other real graphs of the data.
Not the fake winger ones.

>Gunner

Demonstrating yet again utter ignorance & winger lies.
As usual.

2010 is International Educate a Winger Day.
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Cliff

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 12:24 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:ho435l$tl0$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>>> I'm still surprised at how many people are so concerned about what the
>>> founders thought. These guys were smart, sure, but they had the
>>> disadvantage of being 18th century thinkers. Common thought at the time
>>> was that blacks were less than human beings, women were property, voting
>>> was only for property owners, and duels were a proper way to deal with
>>> insults. They also had little real knowledge about how a "democracy" or
>>> a
>>> "representative republic" would work in America. The first try, the
>>> Articles of Confederation, worked badly. It seems rational to use their
>>> work and their design of the government as a foundation of our country
>>> but
>>> to think that we have to be held to exactly what they wanted or thought
>>> back then seems as crazy as believing the Bible has to be accepted in
>>> its
>>> entirety as absolute truth. Wait a minute. I just thought about
>>> something.
>>> The same people that want us to follow the founders to the letter are
>>> the
>>> same people who think we should follow the Bible to the letter too (just
>>> kidding). But it is true. It's the same people who want to follow the
>>> founders just like they want to follow religion. Glenn Beck is the
>>> worst.
>>> That guy wants to follow the constitution and the original intent of the
>>> founders just like it's the Koran and the words of the Prophet. No
>>> wonder
>>> the country is so screwed up with people like that having so much
>>> influence.
>>>
>>> Hawke
>>
>> Well, Beck wants to follow the Constitution as he imagines it to be.<g>
>
> Have you ever actually watched this guy's show?

Yeah, but not for months. He was getting pretty wacky then and it just
depressed me that people were listening to him and believed that he knew
what he was talking about.

> I do, and I really get a kick out of him. He's a prime example of someone
> that doesn't have the experience and education to really understand a
> subject but he thinks he does, and so well that he's able to teach others.

Oh, yeah. I remember his chart of the money supply and his prediction that
we were going to have raging inflation -- by sometime last summer. <g>

Have you heard him explain why that didn't happen? I wonder if he knows. His
original talk suggested that he learned his economics from a comic book.

> He likes to put two and two together but he comes out with five and thinks
> it's the right answer. It's amazing so many people watch him basically
> teach a class in a subject where he's no better informed than the
> audience.
>
>
>>
>> Real, originalist conservatism -- Edmund Burke conservatism -- has some
>> strengths, such as having some solid rocks of culture, values, law, and
>> so
>> on, that we can stand upon for stability. That does NOT mean that they
>> thought nothing should ever change. They just thought that change should
>> always be suspect, and should proceed slowly.
>
> I can't say that I see anything wrong with that thinking.
>
>
>> Taking that view of the Constitution is not a bad idea. It's the same
>> idea
>> that Madison had (but which Jefferson definitely did not). We have the
>> means
>> to amend our Constitution and it's been used dozens of times.
>
> Yes, there is a means to amend it but it's so difficult that in over two
> hundred years it's only happened less than 20 times and one was to repeal
> another one. At this point I'd say it's next to impossible to amend.
>
>
>> What I find annoying is that most of those Constitutional "originalists"
>> we
>> have today have never read the darned thing. Nor have they studied the
>> history surrounding it, except to cherry-pick select bits and pieces that
>> reinforce their notions of what the Constitution *ought* to be. They've
>> never read all 85 of the Federalist Papers, nor the anti-federalist
>> papers
>> (also 85, depending upon how you count them), nor the records of debate
>> in
>> the House over the Bill of Rights. Most of all, they haven't read the
>> many
>> federal court cases that put the Constitution to the test, generally with
>> legal questions that aren't clearly answered in the Constitution.
>
> The world is full of "experts" who don't really know what they believe
> they do. What is funny is that they have their opinions but they are
> uninformed or misinformed ones. If they actually had the education in the
> subject like you described the odds are they would hold the opposite
> opinion. It's like if you're uneducated you think one thing and if you
> have an education you think the opposite, kind of like religion.
>
>
>> So they flounder around with an imagined Constitution, and little sense
>> of
>> how it's been challenged by events that made it to court, or what
>> doctrines
>> the courts have developed to deal with the many ambiguities and unwritten
>> questions in the document itself.
>>
>> They live with a misunderstanding a lot like that of this guy:
>>
>> http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/
>
> Yeah, I saw that guy. Makes you wonder why the people who know so little
> feel so compelled to share their ignorance with everyone else.
>
> On another note, today on Book TV was a professor of economics from M.I.T.
> named John Gruber. PH.d. in economics from Harvard, by the way, and he was
> giving a presentation about the health care bill.

Yeah. That's Jon (Jonathan) Gruber. He was the guy who wrote the
Massachusetts health care plan.

> Turns out he is a big player in the legislation and advises Obama et al on
> the issue. If you get the chance to see him on Book TV tomorrow I wouldn't
> miss it. He explains how the whole change in health care works and why
> it's got to be done. If you Google the guy you see he's absolutely top
> echelon in his field. Check it out if you get the chance.
>
> Hawke

Ok, I'll see if I can catch him on Book TV.

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Ed Huntress

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 12:30 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:05adneEID41sDzjWnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4ba58ce6$0$31263$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> "Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:Odfpn.136005$Vq1.114274@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:MCdpn.246136$Hq1.175725@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>> Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The reason why they aren't changing anything right now is because the
>>>>>>passage of the bill is on a tightrope. If anything goes wrong it won't
>>>>>>pass and all the work that went into it is wasted.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of the stuff doesn't kick in for years. What is the hurry?
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>> it is that
>>>>> election coming up that has the Obamunists worried that their turn at
>>>>> rule
>>>>> is coming to a
>>>>> well deserved close in November. There is an opinion poll that
>>>>> matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes
>>>>
>>>>Maybe it's that they've been trying to pass this since 1933 and it's now
>>>>or
>>>>never, because the business interests in medicine -- particularly the
>>>>insurance industry -- will spend with no limit to confuse and defeat it.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that is a canard in respect to the insurance industry. At
>>> the proposed law
>>> is constructed they will have to work with a new framework but there is
>>> no chance they
>>> will go over one year without adjusting rates to the new framework or
>>> existing heath
>>> insurance. A lot of us think the whole concept is to destroy private
>>> insurance and force
>>> us into single payer aka socialized medicine. Time will tell on that
>>> one.
>>
>> As one who worked with that industry, I don't think it's a canard. And as
>> I've said before, it isn't because they're bad people, but it's because
>> the whole system of incentives works against the interest of the people
>> who need the insurance.
>>
>> I agree there is little in the bill now that will turn the incentive
>> structure in the right direction,
>
> There is plenty Ed.
> Medicare is going from a fee per service model to a result based model.
> The cost of treatment is headed down in a big way without altering what is
> an excellent result even a little.
> There is also going to be a huge pool of otherwise healthy individuals
> incorporated into the system.

All true; I was thinking of incentives for insurance and Pharma. I only read
summaries but it looks like they'll be able to continue to print money.

>
>>but putting controls on the industry is a first step. We have to get the
>>bit out of their teeth, or else tighten up the reigns. As long as they win
>>these legislative battles (and they always have) they have NO incentive to
>>change. None. Nada. Their only incentive is to keep the money rolling in,
>>which means to ignore medical costs and hang onto their market share. If
>>higher prices decrease the size of the market a bit, that's trivial
>>compared to their income increases that come from rising costs. They just
>>take a percentage of whatever it is.
>>
>> As for whether the "concept" is to destroy private insurance, I'm sure
>> there are plenty of people who want to. Like John, I think it's probably
>> inevitable -- not because something else wouldn't work,
>
> Employers are going to drive this dynamic, in my opinion.
> If I can, as an employer, pay a couple of grand per year to the government
> per employee and dump my healt-care costs, I'm going to do so ASAP. I'll
> have to in the end anyway because I'll be competing with people that have.
> Employer based health-care will be as dead as a door nail by Monday
> morning.

Hmmm...we'll see. Again, I haven't read the details on that one, but I
realize it's coming sooner or later.

>
> To Wes, that means he'll be in the market through the exchange system and
> what he'll see is that a pool that includes millions of individuals can
> lead to a real cost effective result. He'll also be responsive to even
> small premium increases because he'll have to pay them every month. That
> will make it much harder to raise rates because people will just change
> plans. As things are now, he doesn't either know or care because he's one
> or two steps removed from the process and isn't included in any decision
> making.

Very true. That's the basis of most opposition -- the payments are indirect
and out of sight.

>
>> This is just a first step. Now we have to get incentives aligned right,
>> if that's possible, to start getting sensible controls on costs. I don't
>> think we'll have a socialized health system in our lifetimes, and maybe
>> never. But it is likely -- virtually inevitable -- that we'll have a
>> heavily regulated health care insurance industry.
>
> Single payer is a decade or less away and we have the benefit, if we are
> smart, of reviewing and incorporating the best parts of every other first
> world countries system of health-care without the burden of their
> mistakes.
>
> JC
>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:06 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:02:16 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
<hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 14, 12:03 am, Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:56:14 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
>>
>> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 13, 12:01 pm, Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:58:50 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Why shouldn't he, what they are trying to do with the health care bill is
>> >> >unconstitutional. Can't get enough votes, skip votes and abuse budget
>> >> >reconciliation for the health care bill, still can't get enough votes so
>> >> >skip voting altogether with the Slaughter solution.
>>
>> >> Same thing republicans did 13 times. Did you bitch then?
>>
>> >The Dems sure bitched. They went so far as to call it a crime.
>>
>> That's not the point.
>
>It should be. You could get a clue about how two-faced your party is.
>
>> The republicans shouldn't be bitching because
>> THEY did it first.
>
>Both parties have done it, the Democrats probably did it first.
>
>For your homework, research each instance of it being done, and post
>your findings.
>
>Include all instances of where it permanently changed our way of life,
>and cost $1 Trillion that we don't have.
>
>Thank you.

I spotted your typo.
"saves $1 Trillion that we don't have."

HTH
--
Cliff

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:08 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:09:35 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>The legal procedure is by voting, they don't have enough votes
>because there are pro-life Democrats that won't vote on it.

As you are a winger & wingers lie .. when will Rush
be fleeing the nation, never to return?
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Cliff

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:17 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:09:35 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>> Here is your hint: The House passed a bill. The Senate passed a bill.
>> If the House accepts the Senate bill with a simple majority and the
>> President signs the bill it becomes law.
>
>They are trying to ram this bill through without a vote, since they don't
>have the votes to pass it.

See below.

>
>>>Could it be any more
>>>obvious, the government funded abortion health care bill is being forced
>>>upon us with the Slaughter house solution!
>>
>> I'll ask again, which part of either the Senate or the House bills
>> repeals Hyde? You know the law that prevents any federal monies from
>> being used to fund abortions.
>
>Here's from lawyers that work with cases at the Supreme Court, they have
>proof, hear it for yourself.
>
>http://www.aclj.org/

Where it says "The House will not utilize the legislative scheme called 'deem
and pass' and will indeed have an up-or-down vote directly on the Senate health
bill." ?
--
Cliff

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:34 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:38:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>Glenn Beck Can F--k Off

Good point.
Looked like he was selling Gold & calling for riots on Faux yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ccN_mAN8Rs
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Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:51 am
From: Audrey

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:34:34 -0400, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:38:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:
>
>>Glenn Beck Can F--k Off
>
> Good point.
> Looked like he was selling Gold & calling for riots on Faux yesterday.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ccN_mAN8Rs
http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/Displayblog.aspx?bpid=4843e0b6-7dbc-44d7-be1b-615a35ac155f

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:26 am
From: Steve Ackman

In <2t7g77-aak1.ln1@news.infowest.com>, on Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:04:04
-0700, Steve B, deserttraver@dishymail.net wrote:

In complaints to news admins, you have to include
the headers of the violater... not your own.
See http://aioe.org/25.html

> I seem to have a stalker writing into newsgroups claming to be me and
> posting profane things. Hope you can do something about this.

They can't.

There's no policy in any AUP I've ever seen that
precludes "using a similar nym." Most AUPs do have
provisions against "forgery," (though aioe.org doesn't
seem to explicity forbid it) but that would need to
have your name and e-mail address identical anyway.

See #5 at http://aioe.org/03.html if you think any
of his content is in violation... though even that is
a bit on the vague side.

Most capable newsreaders can show the
NNTP-Posting-Host so everyone using a decent
newsreader knows which one is you anyway.

--
☯☯

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:55 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:16:21 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:44:44 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> got double secret probation
>for writing:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:dtp8q51dus34sm0agj2s9kb518c5tsmjhv@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>No, you must have been looking at your daddy's ass again!
>
>First thing that comes to every wingnuts head, gay fantasies.

With a bald Palin I suppose.

>This one has an extra special helping of wing nut family values thrown
>in for good measure.

High divorce rate.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:56 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:34:17 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law>
wrote:

>
>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:n1m9q5d89rngei72tf1222qi2h9d5gfan1@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:44:44 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> got double secret probation
>> for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>news:dtp8q51dus34sm0agj2s9kb518c5tsmjhv@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>No, you must have been looking at your daddy's ass again!
>>
>> First thing that comes to every wingnuts head, gay fantasies.
>>
>> This one has an extra special helping of wing nut family values thrown
>> in for good measure.
>>
>
>Typical lib fag fantasy always thinking about someone else's nuts. With
>extra ass looking thrown in for good measure.

"extra ass" .... now he's after Coulter too !!
--
Cliff

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 1:57 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:26:36 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

>On 3/20/2010 2:21 PM, Cliff wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:00:06 +0000 (UTC), Major Debacle
>> <major_debacle@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:n1m9q5d89rngei72tf1222qi2h9d5gfan1@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:44:44 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>> "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> got double secret probation
>>>>> for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:dtp8q51dus34sm0agj2s9kb518c5tsmjhv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you must have been looking at your daddy's ass again!
>>>>> First thing that comes to every wingnuts head, gay fantasies.
>>>>>
>>>>> This one has an extra special helping of wing nut family values thrown
>>>>> in for good measure.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Typical lib fag fantasy always thinking about someone else's nuts. With
>>>> extra ass looking thrown in for good measure.
>>>
>>> When you find yerself in a hole, the usual strategy is to stop digging,
>>> but you do what seems right fer you.
>>
>> Wingers love to dig holes.
>>
>> Make a fortune: rent them ladders.
>Libs stick their nose up other peoples butts, rent them mirrors!

I own Scottie.
--
Cliff

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 3:03 am
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:monbq5dpddvk0c89s1str7nbvcv50nrmvm@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:34:17 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:n1m9q5d89rngei72tf1222qi2h9d5gfan1@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:44:44 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> got double secret probation
>>> for writing:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>news:dtp8q51dus34sm0agj2s9kb518c5tsmjhv@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, you must have been looking at your daddy's ass again!
>>>
>>> First thing that comes to every wingnuts head, gay fantasies.
>>>
>>> This one has an extra special helping of wing nut family values thrown
>>> in for good measure.
>>>
>>
>>Typical lib fag fantasy always thinking about someone else's nuts. With
>>extra ass looking thrown in for good measure.
>
> "extra ass" .... now he's after Coulter too !!
> --
> Cliff

Nah, her ass is nice and lean, like a good conservative woman. Not like
those porker liberal swine. When I say "extra ass", think on the scale of
Too_Many_Tools' fat ugly lesbo mommies doing each other on the hood of their
Subaru. I'm going to go throw up now.

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TOPIC: Surface Plates
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bc2625a5c4711576?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:16 am
From: Cliff

Surface Plates are often made of granite.
Why don't they make them from harder rock ?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: DIY surge protection...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa560b93f2504a9b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:27 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:47:51 -0400, "Existential Angst"
<UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:

>
>First Q: Is surge protection strictly lightning-related?

A surge protecter/surge suppressor is one thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surge_protector
http://www.elect-spec.com/faqspike.htm
Spikes might be another.

Beware induced spikes on phone & data lines.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:30 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:27:58 -0500, "Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote:

>One very knowledgeable cohort of mine used to speak of them as real UPS's and "chicken UPS's"
>During that time, I was project manager on a couple of large UPS installations, both on PBX plants.
>One was a 4000 line PBX and the other was 2000 line. They were Lorraine Electric units,
>uninterruptible in every sense of the word, with huge lead-acid batterys. As I recall the batts in
>the 4000 line unit were sized for nominally 24 hours.

The land-line phones usually work.
40 VDC IIRC.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:45 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:35:42 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

>On 3/20/2010 2:32 PM, Cliff wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:36:32 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
>>> belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
>>> could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
>>> than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
>>> for your actions.
>>
>> This adds to all our insurance & medical costs.
>
>
>NO, I'm fine with all my medical and insurance, no added costs.....

You add to MINE.

>They might lay in a hospital intensive care at age 86 and cost more so
>death now is minor. Besides insurance is for the other guy in car
>accidents, not for me, if it gets too expensive I quit driving.

So said the last guy with tickets ....
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:47 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:29:55 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

>> So rape is fine with you.
>> Move to Alaska.
>Your head is already occupying your hole so you are secure.

I'm not te one trying to justify & excuse rapes.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: OT - work shoes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0076210173ec998f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:50 am
From: John

Here in UK, most postal workers wear Doc Martins.
I wear safety shoes that cost about £30. They last about a year but
are waterproof, very comfotable with padded linings and cuffs.
Obviously I can't help with a supplier.

John

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TOPIC: labelling plastic parts bins
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b20ea27b9e6c5356?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 2:59 am
From: Robert Roland

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:14:39 -0700, "Stu Fields" <eh@iwvisp.com>
wrote:

>I have a number of plastic parts bins purchased from Global. I want to put
>some adhesive backed computer generated labels on the bins. The labels peel
>off after about a week. Any ideas on what adhesive to use?? I've tried
>Elmers, hot glue and some acrylic. None of these seem to work. Global has
>said they don't know either

Before you can even *think* of gluing plastics, you *must* know what
type of plastic you are dealing with. Different types of plastic can
have very different properties.
--
RoRo

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TOPIC: If you are a homo, you likely are Too_Many_Tools.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/624674ca369cc2f7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 3:05 am
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5a160f86-933d-423f-92b2-ee9018c00bd4@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> Posted on Fri, Sep. 18, 2009
>

not metal related doofus

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