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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:14 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:11:05 -0400, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:11:04 -0400, Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:01:00 -0500, "§nühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
>>>of pure thought with
>>>news:vk8tp55p10p353s6b1c0hjllbgtvrjkv05@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:25:43 -0700, Frito Pendejo
>>>> <frito@pendejo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Cliff wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/06/karl.rove.book/?hpt=T2
>>>>>> ""[D]id Bush lie us into war? Absolutely not," Rove wrote "
>>>>>> ""Would the Iraq War have occurred without WMD? I doubt it,"
>>>>>> he wrote.
>>>>>> "Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force
>>>>>> resolution without the threat of WMD."
>>>>>
>>>>>A big lie indeed, since all it takes to get Democrats to
>>>>>rubber-stamp a use-of-force or any other resolution is to attach
>>>>>it to a trillion dollar spending bill.
>>>>
>>>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>>>
>>>Dewd! If they *didnt* lie they would'nt be wingnuts.
>>>
>>What's worse, one liar or the hundreds that believed him, especially
>>one he wasn't all that creative of a speaker or liar to begin with?
>
> And with the inspectors yelling "No WMDs !"
> Not that it was any business of the US's anyway.
> None of Iraq's neighbors were a bit concerned.
>
So many responses, and yet not one answer.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:15 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:21:12 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com>
wrote:

>On 3/19/2010 11:21 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:09:31 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> Beam Me Up Scotty
>> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> got
>> double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> On 3/19/2010 10:57 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:49:53 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> got
>>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/19/2010 7:02 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>> Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for
>>>>>> writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>>>>>>> you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RogerN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>>>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>>>>>> accountable?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>>>>>> lie then the teller.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck you are stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Police will tell you to turn your lights on so the criminals will go
>>>>> down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....
>>>>
>>>> So it is the victims fault in your world.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it your fault that the person down teh street was robbed?
>>>>
>>>> No, it is still the criminals fault, you idiot.
>>>>
>>>> So is it the woman's fault she got raped?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> did she leave the lights off and the door unlocked?
>>
>> Typical, no consistancy or conviction in your beliefs. Just cowardice
>> when forced to confront your own failings.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't put on a seat belt and you get thrown through the
>>> windshield in an accident, is it your fault?
>>
>> The unassing the vehicle is your fault. The accident and the results
>> from the accident, including the damages associated with unassing the
>> vehicle may leave someone else legally culpable. However any
>> subsequent finding by the courts may be adjusted due to the lack of
>> seat belt.
>>
>> Now coward:
>> So is it the woman's fault she got raped?
>>
>> You want to blame the people of the United States of America for
>> believing the President of the United States on matters of national
>> security. How stupid are you?
>
>
>How about a little boy that teases a dog and gets bit, is that like a
>girl getting raped, some girl who teases a boy and gets "bit"?
>
Only if the dog humps his leg.
>
>I was taught that if you teased a dog and got bit, it was more or less
>your own fault.....
>
>
>This Idea that all women are innocent links back to your Oedipus complex
>and your belief that your mommy is pure and innocent and we all know
>little boys who get bit by a dog are mischievous so it's OK to blame them.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:19 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:06:33 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

<snip>

>>This Idea that all women are innocent links back to your Oedipus complex
>>and your belief that your mommy is pure and innocent and we all know
>>little boys who get bit by a dog are mischievous so it's OK to blame them.
>
>So define what you consider teasing sufficient that a man is justified
>in raping another human being.
>
>Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
>justification for rape?
>
All depends on what you mean by "Rape" a simply and easy word that has
now been expanded all the way up to include any time the woman says no
even in the middle of the act.
>
>I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
>tool of war?
>
Well let me go check my Toolbox, or would that be my Armory?
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:37 pm
From: Kadaitcha Man

"Zombywoof", thou drunk rude despiser of good manners. Scurvy, old,
filthy, scurry lord. Ye whinnied:

> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:06:33 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>

>>Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY justification
>>for rape?
>>
> All depends on what you mean by "Rape" a simply and easy word that has
> now been expanded all the way up to include any time the woman says no
> even in the middle of the act.

The definition of rape includes what you do to the English language.

--
I have defined no god. And when I do need to define some god for the
purposes of discussing its nature with atheists I always define the
supposed some god in the very same concrete and arbitrary terms, without
variation:

God = Metaphysical X

Watching you idiot atheists witlessly pinning your own lunatic
assumptions and irrational perceptions onto it then attempting to argue
against your very own deranged Frankenstein-like creation with utterly
b0rked illogic is a never-ending source of great hilarity.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:43 pm
From: Aratzio

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:19:18 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for
writing:

>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:06:33 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>This Idea that all women are innocent links back to your Oedipus complex
>>>and your belief that your mommy is pure and innocent and we all know
>>>little boys who get bit by a dog are mischievous so it's OK to blame them.
>>
>>So define what you consider teasing sufficient that a man is justified
>>in raping another human being.
>>
>>Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
>>justification for rape?
>>
>All depends on what you mean by "Rape" a simply and easy word that has
>now been expanded all the way up to include any time the woman says no
>even in the middle of the act.

The legal word you moron. Weren't you just whining about your verbiage
and now you want to split hairs.

So what justification is there for rape, go ahead, explain how there
is any:

>>
>>I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
>>tool of war?
>>
>Well let me go check my Toolbox, or would that be my Armory?

"And people wonder why so many ignorant people are from the U.S. Does
anyone understand the difference between the words..."

You could not even make it 3 posts without turning into a hypocritical
whiner.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:44 pm
From: Aratzio

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:13:22 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for
writing:

>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:26:32 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:07:43 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> got double secret
>>probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:43:50 -0400, Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>When did anyone in the U.S. start murdering "babies"?
>>>
>>> http://www.iraqwar.org/childunicef.htm
>>
>>The Americal Division.
>>Specifically C Company, 1st Battalion 20th Infantry
>>Calley & Medina
>>Mar 1968
>>
>And people wonder why so many ignorant people are from the U.S. Does
>anyone understand the difference between the words "in" & "from"?

And people wonder why so many ignorant people are from the U.S. Does
anyone understand the usage of attribution and to whom one responds is
the critical component in a response?

Really, you are quite a moron.

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TOPIC: I got a stalker
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:13 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I'm not your stalker, but maybe we could do lunch some day.
Next time I'm in Utah, last time was 1991. Hmm. Well, it's
the thought that counts?

The Elder who confirmed me used to live in St. George.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Steve B" <deserttraver@dishymail.net> wrote in message
news:r67g77-7ki1.ln1@news.infowest.com...

How about meeting for a cup of coffee? I'd love to see you
and talk to you.
I live near St. George, Utah, and am in Las Vegas a couple
of times a month.
I'll pay for the coffee.

How about it? Any time.

If you're up for it, man enough, that is.

Steve B

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TOPIC: What's it do?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7c54484fd42cc83e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:18 pm
From: steamer

--Have been working on my mill and following instructions from the
repair guy who's too far away to make a house call. I found this page:
http://home.comcast.net/~tom.jelly/j%20head%20rebuild%20web%20page/j%20head%20re
build.htm
..and it's been a great help. Now in the second photo the guy's
holding a dumbbell-shaped part called the pivot. In my mill this part had
broken in the middle and lemmetellya getting the innermost piece out was a
real adventure. Anyway I can't figure out what the thing does and I'm wondering
what won't work if I just reassemble and leave the pivot out.
Explanations appreciated! :-)

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blue Cross socks us
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : $23,000/yr!! ...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

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TOPIC: OT: awsome gadget - neat machine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0360845d7d44226a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:26 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:00:27 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:23:24 -0700, Larry Jaques
><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:37:34 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
>><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:17:54 +0800, "Royston Vasey" <royston@vasey.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Someone else posted this link somewhere else. It's half on topic......very
>>>>impressive little machine, pity they dont show close ups of the
>>>>construction:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Like RC helis? This Hexacopter is amazing:
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYujjP5J-k
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh my god...gotta have one..gotta have one!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Gunner, who just picked his next hobby!
>>
>>Just think of all the neat toys it could carry. <wink>
>
>Indeed! With a decent video camera/wireless link it could even be used
>to drop explo...er...gum drops to happy children!! Oh hell yes
>indeedy!!!
><G>

You were going to say "exploratory copies of garage sale ads", right?
I thought so.

>That looks like a TREMENDOUS amount of fun!!
>
>And Ive already got a 4 channel rig that Id bought to fly the glider Ive
>never completed...sigh.....

I never got into RC, either. Some friends did and never wanted to
relinquish control, so I never got enough time on one to develop a
jones for it. Batteries didn't last worth a squat back then, either.

>Now..I wonder now much it costs to build one? And of course..one
>assumes that Titanium would work? ah..I happen to have a tinsey amount
>of that tucked away.....

Cool.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:51 pm
From: Cross-Slide <3t3d@centurytel.net>

On Mar 20, 9:35 am, Lewis Hartswick <lhartsw...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:17:54 +0800, "Royston Vasey" <roys...@vasey.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Someone else posted this link somewhere else. It's half on topic......very
> >> impressive little machine, pity they dont show close ups of the
> >> construction:
>
> >> Like RC helis? This Hexacopter is amazing:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYujjP5J-k
>
> > Oh my god...gotta have one..gotta have one!!
> > Gunner, who just picked his next hobby!
>
> I just spent an hour watching that and several more
> that the links popped up at the end. Thats almost
> unbelievable. I still haven't figured out how the
> translation is obtained, the props are fixed pitch.
> Those motors are just something else. I guess he is
> Russian from the text. I have to get the teacher
> of the shop to look at the construction of the
> motors (one of the other videos).
> All I can say is WOW!!!
> ...Lew...

I am guessing that 1/2 the motors run CW and 1/2 CCW. throttling up or
down one bank or the other will do the turning, similar to tail rotor
control. Adjusting the front or back drive will create the tilt,
similar to the pitch control.
Adjusting all the motors is equivalent to the throttle/collective.

What am I missing?
Impressive performance. Perhaps the key is the batteries/motors, and
the gyro/gps/control interaction.

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TOPIC: OT - work shoes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0076210173ec998f?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:27 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <ho3pmp$pka$2@news.eternal-september.org>, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>My $15 Walmart working man's sneakers are gone flat, again.
>No cushion, and it's about like being barefoot.
>
>I did a froogle search for postal shoes. Those guys on their
>feet all day, must have good shoes. No joy. Looked for
>working shoes. Not much to be found.
>
>Where does a man buy comfortable shoes that last a couple
>years, and good for working men who climb ladders, work on
>cars, and that kind of thing?

The A-number-one absolutely most comfortable nothing-else-even-comes-close
work shoes that I have ever worn were a pair of combat boots. Check local
Army-Navy surplus stores.

If you're looking for something that looks more like a normal shoe, Rockport
makes a few pretty decent work shoes. You might also check for an Iron Age
dealer near you.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:30 pm
From: Ignoramus28888

With shoes, what you pay is what you get, and $15 walmart shoes are
only shoes in appearance.

On 2010-03-21, Doug Miller <spambait@milmac.com> wrote:
> In article <ho3pmp$pka$2@news.eternal-september.org>, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>My $15 Walmart working man's sneakers are gone flat, again.
>>No cushion, and it's about like being barefoot.
>>
>>I did a froogle search for postal shoes. Those guys on their
>>feet all day, must have good shoes. No joy. Looked for
>>working shoes. Not much to be found.
>>
>>Where does a man buy comfortable shoes that last a couple
>>years, and good for working men who climb ladders, work on
>>cars, and that kind of thing?
>
> The A-number-one absolutely most comfortable nothing-else-even-comes-close
> work shoes that I have ever worn were a pair of combat boots. Check local
> Army-Navy surplus stores.
>
> If you're looking for something that looks more like a normal shoe, Rockport
> makes a few pretty decent work shoes. You might also check for an Iron Age
> dealer near you.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:47 pm
From: Wes

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>My $15 Walmart working man's sneakers are gone flat, again.
>No cushion, and it's about like being barefoot.

I had a pair of Buster Brown Bounce's once that were awesome. Sadly no longer made.

For a number of years I wore Caterpillar safety shoes that were so comfortable I wore them
all day and on weekends.

My current safety shoes has me wearing sneakers during my down time. I have calluses on my
feet from those damn things.

I hate buying shoes, I never know if my feet will like them until it is too late to return
them.

If you find a shoe you like, buy another pair while it is still in production, maybe two
pair.

Wes

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:59 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:LUepn.96519$Up1.36969@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>My $15 Walmart working man's sneakers are gone flat, again.
>>No cushion, and it's about like being barefoot.
>
>
> I had a pair of Buster Brown Bounce's once that were awesome. Sadly no
> longer made.
>
> For a number of years I wore Caterpillar safety shoes that were so
> comfortable I wore them
> all day and on weekends.
>
> My current safety shoes has me wearing sneakers during my down time. I
> have calluses on my
> feet from those damn things.
>
> I hate buying shoes, I never know if my feet will like them until it is
> too late to return
> them.
>
> If you find a shoe you like, buy another pair while it is still in
> production, maybe two
> pair.
>
> Wes

Anyone bought any Red Wings lately? I like the Wellingtons with the steel
toes, but they probably cost a lot now. I always wear out the right toe
from kneeling on my right knee to weld under pipe. I guess I can get some
cheaper ones on sale somewhere. Which is probably what I will need to do at
today's prices. I used to go through a pair a year offshore. After a year,
the soles would just fall off from the salt water and drilling muds.

Steve

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:06 pm
From: Przemek Klosowski

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:48:20 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote:
at something like Rockports (Rocksports?), which go for yuppie prices.
> On the plus side my last pair kept going for five years before the soles
> gave out (and it only occurred to me after I tossed them out that they
> were the right sort of construction to be re-soled).

Comfy shoes are such a precious thing that when I get a good pair I
keep the soles fresh by rebuilding them with the GOOP glue. I stick a
band of Scotch tape as a dam along the outside perimeter, and squeeze
GOOP onto the worn part of the sole. I try to lay down 2-3 mm layer
by squeezing and moving the tube sideways, in parallel tracks feathered
at the beginning and the end. It's possible to fix small mistakes and
smooth the work with a wet finger when the glue is still soft.

The glue usually lasts few months, and then I reapply it. It looks
redneck-ish but only if you put up your shoes which my mom told me not to
do anyway.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:22 pm
From: "Phil Kangas"

"Stormin Mormon" <> wrote in message
> My $15 Walmart working man's sneakers are gone flat,
> again.
> No cushion, and it's about like being barefoot.
>
> I did a froogle search for postal shoes. Those guys on
> their
> feet all day, must have good shoes. No joy. Looked for
> working shoes. Not much to be found.
>
> Where does a man buy comfortable shoes that last a couple
> years, and good for working men who climb ladders, work on
> cars, and that kind of thing?
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young

I prefer Red Wing model no. 2233. Mine are a year old now
and are Made In USA. ;>)) phil

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TOPIC: labelling plastic parts bins
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b20ea27b9e6c5356?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:55 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-03-20, dcaster@krl.org <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
> On Mar 20, 7:30 pm, Monkey Butler <x...@monkeybutler.com> wrote:
>> You know the red Loctite bottles?
>> They seem like a similar material to plastic bins. In order to get the
>> white printing to stick the factory passes the surface over a flame
>> before printing. Not so much to melt the surface but apparently it
>> causes some sort of chemical reaction that makes the surface more
>> receptive to coating.
>
> or you can use a neon sign transformer to generate plasma and use the
> plasma to treat the surface. IIRC a flame or plasma will oxidize the
> surface. Not necessary except on plastics as poly and teflon.

Hmm ... what would high-intensity UV do? (Other than give you a
sunburn. :-)

Also -- what does a contact cement like Pliobond do for this
problem?

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: Rush to flee US
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 8:10 pm
From: Wes

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>news:MCdpn.246136$Hq1.175725@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>>The reason why they aren't changing anything right now is because the
>>>passage of the bill is on a tightrope. If anything goes wrong it won't
>>>pass and all the work that went into it is wasted.
>>
>> A lot of the stuff doesn't kick in for years. What is the hurry? Maybe
>> it is that
>> election coming up that has the Obamunists worried that their turn at rule
>> is coming to a
>> well deserved close in November. There is an opinion poll that matters.
>>
>> Wes
>
>Maybe it's that they've been trying to pass this since 1933 and it's now or
>never, because the business interests in medicine -- particularly the
>insurance industry -- will spend with no limit to confuse and defeat it.

I'm thinking that is a canard in respect to the insurance industry. At the proposed law
is constructed they will have to work with a new framework but there is no chance they
will go over one year without adjusting rates to the new framework or existing heath
insurance. A lot of us think the whole concept is to destroy private insurance and force
us into single payer aka socialized medicine. Time will tell on that one.

>
>Now or never. And if it's never, brace yourself for a declining economy that
>is totally in the hands of big business interests.

You left out unionized governmental and Davis Bacon protected union workers that currently
are sucking at the debt troth. (I don't think I spelled that right) That is a drag on the
economy. Taxes collected on those that are paid by the government don't count when it
comes to our deficits.

>
>Republicans, who suddenly have expressed an interest in "alternative" reform
>measures, have had 70 years to propose ideas. The first ones came last year,
>in an effort to defeat the ones the Dems had proposed. If they feel no
>pressure to do anything about it, after a defeat, they'll put it on the
>shelf again for the rest of their lives.

You know Republicans tend to be free market types expecially the Libertarians in the
party.

No further responses tonight, I'm off to bed. Sleep tight, sounds like you are winning on
this one atm. Just hope you like what comes out of it if it passes.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: TurboNut progress
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/136469235bd79231?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:40 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

steamer wrote:
> Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> wrote:
>
>>Maybe I missed an earlier thread, but what's the part for?
>
> --Silly idea I had many moons ago: quick-adjust depth stop for
> milling machines, etc. Spins with air; easily removable for full depth quill
> travel, cheap. Never made 'em befor because I couldn't get the die made for
> a decent price. Bored with no work in the shop I redesigned the thing and
> made a die, squirted some parts and am now debugging.

You mean like the way you can blow a ball bearing round using compressed
air? Funny but neat!

Chris

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TOPIC: Eklind hexagon keys
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:42 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

Ned Simmons wrote:

>>You mean they split longitudinally like a sausage? I'm just trying to
>>figure out the stresses in my mind. Probably the corners/ridges are
>>important too.
>
>
> Sounds like a textbook torsional fatigue failure.
> http://school.mech.uwa.edu.au/~dwright/DANotes/springs/fatigue/fatigue.html
> http://school.mech.uwa.edu.au/~dwright/DANotes/springs/fatigue/fatigueSurfaceBIG.jpeg

I was thinking a torsional failure should have a 45 degree helical
fracture surface, but I guess the ridges change the course of the crack.

Chris

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TOPIC: What steel for pry bars?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bcce4853edaf59b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:46 pm
From: Bob Engelhardt

Ed Huntress wrote:
...
> First, what you're describing sounds quite a bit like a Red Devil pry bar
> that I have -- my thinnest one, which is tapered very thin, about 1-1/2"
> wide, and really strong. ...

Like so?
http://tinyurl.com/ycv3vdg

> I'd start with something already made if at all possible. It's not that you
> need great strength, it's just that you're otherwise dealing with more
> variables than it's worth.

I'm beginning to think that starting with something like the Red Devil
is the right way to go. But that some customization is likely. One
problem is that there are a LOT of pry bars online, but I'd really like
to put my hands on them and the best local hardware store doesn't have
that many.

Thanks,
Bob

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:49 pm
From: Bob Engelhardt

Jim Wilkins wrote:
...
> Dark blue import ones that cost $3 have held up well for
> this or other projects that needed a little chunk of hardened flat bar
> stock.

I'd like to find some $3 ones to play with. At the hardware store the
nice ones are $12 & others $7-8-9.

Bob

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:51 pm
From: Bob Engelhardt

Ignoramus18751 wrote:
> On 2010-03-19, Bob Engelhardt <bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:
...
>> As to heat treating facilities, well, minimal - maximum heat capability
>> is propane forge. Obviously no automatic temp control.
>
> Do you have a firepit?

No, would that be better than a propane forge? Bob

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:59 pm
From: Bob Engelhardt

Steve W. wrote:
> I think I would try using a clamp style nail puller on a slide hammer to
> remove the nails. Less damage to the tin and probably much faster. I
> would probably take a set of vice grips, weld a set of tapered jaws on
> the end to grip under the nail head. Then attach that to a slide hammer.

I'm skeptical - I think that getting under the nail head would be more
time consuming than getting behind the tin. Here's a picture of a
sharpened pry bar getting behind the tin. The arrow points to a nail head!

> Tin is VERY, VERY easy to damage. BTDT working on a church kitchen
> ceiling. Decided that decorative tin is WAY to much trouble...

It certainly is a lot of trouble! Today we discovered that some
ceilings have gotten wet and the nails rusted. The heads come off or
the tin tears before the nails pull out. !&%$#(!

We are being motivated by the high prices this stuff brings from the
yuppies. And it's volunteer labor being used <G>. There's a limit,
though, so we'll see how far it goes.

Bob

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TOPIC: DIY Two-Stroke Engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bcf5d37475198771?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 8:00 pm
From: bizguy

This thread is going all over the place - so here goes.

Consider building a Kemp G2 replica. If you can do that there might
even be others that would want to buy them.

2 cyl - 4 cycle low end HP.

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